Good single models, terrible as units.
Looks like monopose resins will be the standard fare from now on, the new Ushabti are also monopose with different heads/arms.

Well, that's ... unfortunate.

Dancing grotesques and wracks in need of their first morning cup of coffee aren't really my thing. Good thing I never had any interest in them.

Sorry if you did.

http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

havent seen this posted but it is the apparent haemonculus

That looks... weird.... not sure about it at all. Like the wracks, meh on Grotesques. The lack of poses hurt otherwise very nice minis imo.

If the Wracks and Grotesques have almost the same poses, they might as well be metal models.

Oh wait.

dumbuket wrote:http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

Any chance of getting images 'in-thread?' Paulson is blocked from here.

Thanks.

Alphacerberus wrote:havent seen this posted but it is the apparent haemonculus

Yeah.
It's about 4 pages back or so.


Eric

Ah ok sorry about that it wasn't on the post title and didn't see the huge one at the bottom of that page xD only seen the tiny one

dumbuket wrote:http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

Those are actually pretty cool models. And their ball jointed in some places for some posin' fun....very usable as the "big guys" -hockey masks and all. I like how everyone jumps on each others bandwagons to a degree. Time to get out the hacksaw....and modify!

MightyG

Not impressed with the poses, but the models themselves look great. More than great, actually. Come on GW.... It's not enough to just get one thing right... Eveything coven related has a bad pose, it seems.

I'm guessing, despite the obvious detail, that Jes and Juan were not the ones sculpting the Haemonculi, Wracks or Grotesques... We're sure to find out once another of 'Jes' Notebook' interviews is posted concerning the models. I'm not put off with the poses for the wracks or the Haemonoculi...but the Grotesque? Please... more variety than just weapon swaps. Unless they are going for some Zombiesque posing.

I like them and if they are in resin you can reposes them easy. I did it with my Space Wolves in MK3. But please be happy that you are getting new stuff some are not so lucky.

I like the Wracks, but the incredibly static pose, and the fact that there only appears to be 2-3 variants, which aren't at all that different besides perhaps weapons, is a huge disappointment. The Grotesques are even worse - do they only have a SINGLE pose? They couldn't even give us TWO poses?

I will probably pick up 2 or 3 individual Wracks at the most, and do heavy conversion work. Looks like most of my Wracks will be conversions. I would have happily thrown down whatever obscene price GW would ask for 5-10 Wracks if they had even given us 3 DISTINCT, DYNAMIC poses. (Save me the trouble of converting. I put my Scourges conversion plans on hold in anticipation of the kit, and since that is in fact a very nice set with plenty of variety and poseability and options, I am going to pay the additional cost for GW box set, because it is very nicely done saves me trouble.

One or two DIFFERENT static/standing poses would be fine, if there was some variety. But there isn't, so I'm going to basically pass on these and make my own.

-C6

EDIT: Shameless plug for my own Wrack conversions, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about, over at the P&M Blogs:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/346110.page


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army310 wrote:I like them and if they are in resin you can reposes them easy. I did it with my Space Wolves in MK3. But please be happy that you are getting new stuff some are not so lucky.

I agree with you that these are nice looking, and that the new resin should in general make it easier to do conversions. That being said though, you can't quite repose the legs, since they are covered in the trenchcoat-skirt-like thing. And you couldn't really repose the torsos very much without significant sculpting work. This means that those who aren't very good modellers etc. are stuck with very static stock Wracks. This is a much bigger let-down for them. I can do conversion work, including sculpting, halfway decently, and I am just complaining because I am lazy

-C6

Popsicle wrote:

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

The Dark Eldar range is a winner across the board and I've yet to see a mini for this that I didn't like.

Accurately sums up my feelings. Heck, I'm starting an army of them, purely on account of the models. Amazing stuff.

I as well

Given that the only wracks I'd likely use are units of 4 in a venom with a haemonculus to place a webway portal, the lack of poses shouldn't be a huge problem...

Well if this is what we have to look forward to with finecr@p then count me out. I do not care if I can see every bit of detail on the flip flops the wracks are wearing, I want dynamic poses and a variety of models.

spaceelf wrote:Well if this is what we have to look forward to with finecr@p then count me out. I do not care if I can see every bit of detail on the flip flops the wracks are wearing, I want dynamic poses and a variety of models.

Finecast has nothing to do with the poses.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Finecast has nothing to do with the poses.

It shouldn't, but keep in mind that different casting technologies do apply technical limits.


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I assumed from the messages from GW that Finecast is roughly similar to spin casting in capabilities so they can re-use masters, if not molds, somehow.

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

Because it is not as essential.

They show this gak, yet the prices are raised...

Having seen the wracks, I'm really glad I converted mine...

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

it has less plastic in the kit than the ravager does.

lord_blackfang wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

Nothing wrong with those Wracks and Grotesques but a very very great shame they weren't released as multipart plastics. Untold conversion opportunities would have been there for folks collecting Slaanesh chaos or inquisition or as stated earlier, mechanicus.

The limited static poses and difficulty in adding any poses due to the sculpts is a shame.

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

It's basically one sprue with a one piece upper hull and another one with details.

Sprue of guns and missiles makes my lootedy instincts stir

It's about the same size as a ravager (slightly longer, and a fair bit wider, not as tall) , and a less complex kit as far as i can tell.

I imagine it's also aggressively priced, as everyone and their second cousin will be using ravagers in their lists, but likely not so many razorwings.

Andy Hall's quote on GW's anouncement about Citadel Finecast had this:

Andy Hall wrote:You should also make sure you pick up June's White Dwarf. In it I'll be discussing the new kits even further, and talking to such luminaries as 'Eavy Metal's Joe Tomaszewski about what it's like paint Citadel Finecast, as well as veteran miniatures designer Aly Morrison regarding what the future holds when sculpting for the new medium. To quote Aly: "In a way it will push us to try things we could never realise before; to add even more dynamism to the models." Being a hobbyist first and foremost, that's a very exciting thing for me to hear.

While I was excited about it finally being anounced and seeing what this material is like, they can't really get away with this last quote! Perhaps future sculpts will take advantage of being able to have more dynamic poses, but not these.

(Even though I think they're OK, and since I love the rest of the range, I'm happy enough with them)

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Ascalam wrote:Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

Its only 41.25? Why is it cheaper than the ravager?

You heard it on Dakka first, folks. The Razorwing is too cheap!

Not what i was getting at. Not at all. But if it has less plastic than the ravager does that mean less pieces? Or does that say something about the size of it?

Its like comparing Vindicator to Rhinos. Vindi has quite A LOT of extra plastic , yet it looks barely noticeable in dimension compared to a Rhino.

Razorwing is just more efficient in using up the plastics. ( GW gets smart sometimes in efficiency , for example arachnispider )
and stupid at other times ( tomb stalker , tomb guards )

Here are some more comparison pictures, now including the Venom:

Well I suppose with the winning streak going for the dark eldar release it needed a big kick in the nads from GW at some point.
*Insert pic of charlie sheen in pain*

MagickalMemories wrote:
Any chance of getting images 'in-thread?' Paulson is blocked from here.

I believe that's the model they were reffering to.
The model is the Bio-Terror, nothing to do with GW or dark eldar but has plenty of frankenstein genetic science monster nastiness.






.

Holy crap. That thing's a better Grotesque (proxy) than the actual Grotesque!


Eric

I know, gross, isn't it?

Its waist is stupid thin.

So's a boa constrictor's


Doesn't mean it isn't strong as hell

Foo wrote:Its waist is stupid thin.

I don't have my codex on me, but I remember it saying that all their organs are taken from its body and slumped onto a heap on its back. Just to make him sexy thin I guess.

edit: not saying this thing is supposed to be a grotesque or anything.

So GW "news politics" are kick starts with Razorwing??
i mean
Availability: This item is not available now, but you can preorder it.
and no date)

Xelkireth wrote:

AvatarForm wrote:I want a not-Batwing for airbrushing practice...

Anyone notice how much the PP and GW wracks/cryx look like Cenobites?

What's wrong with that? I think it's EPIC.

Where did I say anything was wrong with them looking like Cenobites.

I was enquiring whether anyone else had noticed this similarity.

I've always thought the whole Dark Eldar mythos had a lot of ties to the Cenobites.

That Bio-Terror is simple hilarious. Even the helmet looks the part.

They are fanTastic models. That is why I have 3.

Are the Paulson figures posable?

Yeah, I have to say I really like the razorwing price. I'm sure it's much smaller than I'm imagining, but I could have sworn GW would charge stormraven/valkyrie prices for it, regardless of size...glad to see that's not the case and now I'm really tempted to get three of them, and I never really wanted to get any in the first place.

Tempted, mind you. Considering GW's latest bout of stupidity I'm not really interested in getting "non-essentials" for my DE army, I just want them playable so I can use the models I already bought. But if GW weren't god-damned idiots I'd like to get three of them, anyway.

Well I plan on picking up some of the wracks and grotesques. I will probably only get a few and mix them in with my conversions. For those that absoultly hate the new wracks and grotesques, you could always convert some like mine:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-14732-14503_Grotesques%20%26amp%3B%20Wracks.html

Those grotesques remind me an awful lot of the strigoi and much maligned metal chaos marine possessed, especially in posing. Not a fan.

The Wracks on the other hand I do like, they could've been a little more animated, but I like them as is.

I'm not a fan of the grotesques, I'll hold out judgement until we get decent pictures though. The wracks (although static) look good imo.

Lord Scythican wrote:Well I plan on picking up some of the wracks and grotesques. I will probably only get a few and mix them in with my conversions. For those that absoultly hate the new wracks and grotesques, you could always convert some like mine:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/images-14732-14503_Grotesques%20%26amp%3B%20Wracks.html

i like your grotesques too, and don't really like GW's. the mono-pose is the biggest problem, but on top of that, the fact that the huge growth+techie-bit-n-bobs sticking out of the back seem to be larger than the actual torso itself is, in my opinion as a designer, a bigtime fail. i know that this is in keeping with the pic in the codex, but i think the torso should be bigger than the growth/tubes/vanes growing out of it.

PS-how did you make your legs/skirts? is the skirt made out of GS?

catharsix wrote:
i like your grotesques too, and don't really like GW's. the mono-pose is the biggest problem, but on top of that, the fact that the huge growth+techie-bit-n-bobs sticking out of the back seem to be larger than the actual torso itself is, in my opinion as a designer, a bigtime fail. i know that this is in keeping with the pic in the codex, but i think the torso should be bigger than the growth/tubes/vanes growing out of it.

PS-how did you make your legs/skirts? is the skirt made out of GS?

Thanks for the comments. I made them with green stuff. Basically just took a piece and put some water on bottom side of the greenstuff and pressed it flat against a piece of plastic. Then I peeled it off and pressed it on the Chaos Spawn. Using a sculpting tool, I moved it into place better and tore at the bottom of it to make it look frayed.

The shape of the piece was something like a trapezoid.

H.B.M.C. wrote:One-pose Grotesques? Talk about dropping the ball...

On the other hand:

Foo wrote:

Oh. My. God.

Dark Mechanicus and their creations all in one go. Awesomesauce.

Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

damn that rhymes

Farmer wrote:Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

damn that rhymes

That's why FLGS are so much better! Most of them are way more lenient.

Scottywan82 wrote:Are the Paulson figures posable?

Elbow joint is ball and socket. So is the wrist. Looks like each claw is as well. :-)

Scottywan82 wrote:Are the Paulson figures posable?

Yes they are posable. Except the legs. Other than that they are posable. There are some pics of poses in my gallery. There are a lot of ball joints

Farmer wrote:
Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

damn that rhymes

This is me:

: |

...not caring.




Eric

Scottywan82 wrote:Are the Paulson figures posable?

The legs are posable below the knee if you are wiling to cut and greenstuff

The Paulson Grotesque rocks, I have a few (pics in my gallery) but I like the GW ones - will use one for the leader model with the liquifier gun.

Sheck2 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:Are the Paulson figures posable?

The legs are posable below the knee if you are wiling to cut and greenstuff

Heck, your shins are poseable if one is willing to cut and restick them, but I don't think that's what people mean when they ask if something's poseable.

paulson games wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:
Any chance of getting images 'in-thread?' Paulson is blocked from here.

hmmm
I don't like it at all. The waist is to exaggeratedly thin, looks like a cottenball on a stick. The ball and socket joints (im looks mainly at the hands) are too noticable. Not that this doesnt resemble a grotesque, it does, but id rather have monoposed dancers than this

Farmer wrote:Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

Like I give a feth about what happens at a GW store?

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Farmer wrote:Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

Like I give a feth about what happens at a GW store?

I want to hug you some days.

Rymafyr wrote:I'm guessing, despite the obvious detail, that Jes and Juan were not the ones sculpting the Haemonculi, Wracks or Grotesques... We're sure to find out once another of 'Jes' Notebook' interviews is posted concerning the models. I'm not put off with the poses for the wracks or the Haemonoculi...but the Grotesque? Please... more variety than just weapon swaps. Unless they are going for some Zombiesque posing.

Given that Wracks are I4, I don't think the shambling zombie explanation holds up. They move as fast as Eldar and SMs when fighting in melee. They really should have more varied poses. I like the idea of replacing their legs with Mandrake legs.

dumbuket wrote:http://www.paulsongames.com/catalog/item/7434381/8690730.htm

multi-pose resin alternative grotesques from paulson games
$20 each seemed expensive, but nowadays...

The GW Grotesque will probably cost more than that model anyway.

i for one like the new minis well enough. would like better poses but eh what ever gonna use some of the skaven bits for proxies. and perhaps talos/chronos bits for more flavor in weps. and heads. the New de have been everything ive wanted except the beasts those are a giant f up in my eyes. any one got any info on the special hqs like the baron or duke or the lady?

paulson games wrote:

Wow, that is actually a lot better than the GW versions, far more dynamic. It also reminds me of the 'Men of Iron' in the Gaunt's Ghosts series. As for the thin waist: it's supposed to be disconcerting, it's called a grotesque for a reason.

I'm still waiting for an official release. I'd like to see the kits clearly. Still hoping for this before the end of the week.

It's uncanny what the other model has in common with Grotesques... The mask, the size, the patchwork skin, the hunchback, the adrenaline injectors sticking out of it. Even the thin waist. (Look at the picture in the Codex, Grotesques have a ridiculously thin waist, as their vital organs were transferred up to that big hunchback.) I'm convinced it was made deliberately to replace the GW Grotesque...

I'd say it has a lot in common with the Venom Joker and Bane from Batman Arkham Asylum. Big mutated steroid injected guys with distorted/exaggerated features are hardly something new or exclusive to GW.

Hulking freaks of nature are not unique, but that model does look a lot like the sketch in the codex, particularly the mask and waist.

From a differant angle.

That picture makes me hate the model slightly less. But its still terrible

I still can't get the "Singing in the Rain" vibe out of my head.

Ooooh... I actually like it from that other angle!

Assuming I'd only take a single unit (if that) anyway, bending the one arm on one of them would do the trick varying it up for the most part.

Woot...

Frankly hacking off that fugly claw and doing some converting wouldn't be that hard

I'm not sold on them, especially after the long wait and anticipation, but we'll see when I can actually get my mitts on one

Is that a pirouette

I like the claw, but agree that hacking it off shouldn't be a problem...

Also, from this angle it looks like they have soles strapped to the bottom of their feet, for those freaking out about them possibly stepping on broken glass

RiTides wrote:Also, from this angle it looks like they have soles strapped to the bottom of their feet, for those freaking out about them possibly stepping on broken glass

Now I have a horrible image stuck in my head. Of a squad of choreographed grotesques dancing to Annie Lennox's "Walking on Broken Glass". [shudder]

Now for further horor imagine them doing rocky horror's Rocky song

Or 'sweet transvestite'

I'm an evil evil guy

I'm very unimpressed about the way the Liquifier gun is oriented like he's bashing somebody with it.

Reminds me of the Tasmanian Devil sneaking on someone:

I think that different angle only helps because there aren't 2 others exactly like it standing next to him. If I get any grotesques, I will get 4, and I am a little afraid they will look ridiculous all standing next to each other doing a dance number. I like to avoid converting, but I think I will have to make an exception here.

Ysclyth wrote: I think that different angle only helps because there aren't 2 others exactly like it standing next to him. If I get any grotesques, I will get 4, and I am a little afraid they will look ridiculous all standing next to each other doing a dance number. I like to avoid converting, but I think I will have to make an exception here.

Clearly, you need to sculpt little Babershop Quartet hats and change their CCW into canes. It must be done.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Advance orders are up. 3 Razorwings for me...

My fiance just told me she thinks the wracks are "very cute" I'm not sure if I can get them now...

Well, at least GW is releasing all the various options for Haemonculi...



In the original picture, it seems there is also a stinger pistol. And to GW's - rapidly vanishing - credit they do have 5 different bodies in the box.

Not the lame 3 they usually do. So bravo there.

Also, the site lists that they are sold in 22 components. I figured 2 hands each (resin ends at the wrists) plus a separate head, plus body... That's 20 pieces. Plus the Stinger Pistol. Plus.... ??? Maybe another Haemonculus weapon.

Maybe somebodies back-spines...

lol, as much as I defended the wracks earlier, I am tickled to think that the words "Citadel Finecast" will become synonymous for "boring, single-pose models that cost more than the metals because...?".

Considering how painfully "meh" the Tomb Kings ushabti looked, and the uniformity of the new wracks/grotesques, I'm starting to wonder if this isn't going to be a new trend. I really hope it's not because I don't see how you could possibly sell the models at that point...

Back in the day when GW did that monopose plastic crap, they charged much less for them. One of their excuses for raising the prices to where they are today was the quality of the new plastic sets like the detail, the options, the variable poses, etc. So if they start doing monopose models again and charge high dollar for them, what's the excuse going to be now? "Oh they're cast in resin now, the detail is AMAAAAZING!" Yeah but they still look like gak regardless because I have ten dudes standing next to each other and they all look exactly the same...

Like I said before though, I can kinda accept that for the wracks, but I still would have preferred different poses and now I'm worried that future releases will be the same way. "Citadel Finecast: Because you fat nerds like choreographed dance lines, right?"


EDIT: Holy gak why is the haemonculus $18.25? Good thing I only need one I guess...feth you too, GW.

I must say out of these new coven releases I like the wracks the best. I was not disapointed by the hexrifle which I will be using. Now the main problem I have is with the haemonculus. The upper set of arms is kind of a tragedy. Will almost certainly have to do something about them. Though I like the blade in the left hand. The right hand says "high five d00d" I wouldn't normally complain, but at $18:25 per model, and my army will by using four, I am quite disappointed. I will likely not be buying any grotesques.

I wonder how many liquifiers are going to be in the box. I'm hoping for two, I suspect 1.

EVERYBODY!!, go back to the GW web Page and click on the advanced orders tab, the new Wracks Razorwing Grotesk and Hemokuli is erased. I'm pretty sure this has been leaked? It may just be my computer...

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Please tell me if this happens for you!

"pricing error... "

It's back... Thats sorta weird!!

Your probably right, pricing error

If nobody caught the release date before they were takin down it is june 18th. Yay razorwing!

Sasori wrote:I wonder how many liquifiers are going to be in the box. I'm hoping for two, I suspect 1.

In a squad of 5, you can only have 1 liquifier, so I don't see why they would put more, or why you would need more.

Are they going to be releasing a seperate model for the Voidraven Bomber? I was hoping that the Razorwing would be a 2 model box like the Talos

But the Razorwing model looks awesome anyway so I'm quite happy to buy 2 of them for my DE anyway

The Haemi and the Wracks are ok. The Grotesque is a bit boring, and if there is only one model available... epic fail.

Ysclyth wrote:

Sasori wrote:I wonder how many liquifiers are going to be in the box. I'm hoping for two, I suspect 1.

In a squad of 5, you can only have 1 liquifier, so I don't see why they would put more, or why you would need more.

DUH! I didn't think that one through, lol. Thanks.

Stiyx wrote:Are they going to be releasing a seperate model for the Voidraven Bomber? I was hoping that the Razorwing would be a 2 model box like the Talos

But the Razorwing model looks awesome anyway so I'm quite happy to buy 2 of them for my DE anyway

The Voidraven is significantly larger than the Razorwing according to the codex description. I assume it will be a completely different kit.

The price of the Razorwing is stupidly good value (by GW standards) so do you think we are starting to see a drop in plastic prices?

I know we are having a price RISE but like petrol prices, it takes months for the effect of a price drop to hit the pumps. Why is this Razorwing so cheap, I'd expect at least £28/30 on it.

I'd hopefully say new plastic kits for upcoming codexes MIGHT not be to mentally priced..

Finecast however is another story :(

The model still hasn't come out yet, and IIRC, the valkyrie got a price increase before it even hit the shelves...

Argh...

So they are marketing it as £25.50 BEFORE the price increase but you can't buy until AFTER the price increase?

GOD DAMN YOU GW! I had like 1% hope in you then.

Sidstyler wrote:The model still hasn't come out yet, and IIRC, the valkyrie got a price increase before it even hit the shelves...

If you'd already preordered one when it was up at the lower price, surely you wouldn't have to pay the increased price even if it does go up prior to release?

I know with computer games (game.com) they sell the game for the price the game was when you pre-ordered it (if the price is then lowered prior to release you get it for the lower price, but if the price increases you only pay the price it said when the order was placed).

Would GW be nice enough to do that? Or am I expecting too much

Xelkireth wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Farmer wrote:Bring that to a GW store and you'll get shown the door.

Like I give a feth about what happens at a GW store?

I want to hug you some days.

+1

gr1m_dan wrote:Argh...

So they are marketing it as £25.50 BEFORE the price increase but you can't buy until AFTER the price increase?

GOD DAMN YOU GW! I had like 1% hope in you then.

Not everything is increasing with the price rise. These new releases are the price they are listed and not going up in price.

Scottywan82 wrote:In the original picture, it seems there is also a stinger pistol. And to GW's - rapidly vanishing - credit they do have 5 different bodies in the box.

Not the lame 3 they usually do. So bravo there.

Also, the site lists that they are sold in 22 components. I figured 2 hands each (resin ends at the wrists) plus a separate head, plus body... That's 20 pieces. Plus the Stinger Pistol. Plus.... ??? Maybe another Haemonculus weapon.

I agree, the wracks are better and more varied than was expected, not the best models IMHO but at least they won't all look exactly the same...

The Grotesque however; ouch! Expensive and one pose doesn't do it for me.

Do we know who sculpted these, because they don't seem up to Jes' usual standards, so it might be someone else?

The DE models are beyond awesome, truly amazing looking.

Shame I cant bring myself to play weird soul sucking space perverts though.

FOR GULLIMAN AND THE EMPEROR!

52 euro for a troop choice, It'd be cheaper too start that all terminator templar army I've always wanted

$30 CDN for ONE Grotesque. Fuuuuuuuug.

Foo wrote:$30 CDN for ONE Grotesque. Fuuuuuuuug.

Hey now! Don't you go criticisin'!

Thems Grotesques is made of Finecost - and they are the greatest bestest most awesomest miniatures to be ever made by mankind.

Or so GW would have us believe...

"Finecost"!

I should have known it wouldn't be to long before someone came up with a better way of describing the Resin Switch!

Also, for the work-blocked, what is the price of the Razorwing?

Thanks!

Alpharius wrote:Also, for the work-blocked, what is the price of the Razorwing?

£25.50 I don't know if that helps or gives you an indication of what it might be in $?

You know, my dreams of a dark eldar army are dying. I said I'd wait until I saw all the releases before I jumped in. What a failure that was.

Not especially convinced by the Grotesque, but the other stuff is pretty damned nifty.

Does this leave much else to come out for the Dark Eldar? Apart from the Archon's Court and Special characters?

Gorechild wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Also, for the work-blocked, what is the price of the Razorwing?

£25.50 I don't know if that helps or gives you an indication of what it might be in $?

Oops - sorry!

I mean to add in "in US Dollars" in there...

$41.25, so it could have been worse...

I like these minis, actually. The DE Haemonculus is kind of lame, but the other minis are pretty sweet.

Alpharius wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Also, for the work-blocked, what is the price of the Razorwing?

£25.50 I don't know if that helps or gives you an indication of what it might be in $?

Oops - sorry!

I mean to add in "in US Dollars" in there...

It's $41.25 US, Alpha. A pretty reasonable price, I honestly think.

Back on track: this release is a bit underwhelming compared to the last one. The Razorwing is gorgeous, I want ten, I'll buy one, but I want ten. The Wracks are pretty sweet looking, but I agree that their poses are quite stale. I'm more of a Kabal/Cult mix kind of army anyways, I don't use much Coven stuff (maybe even not at all, it depends if you include Scourges). I honestly like the Grotesque and Haemunculus, I really do, I think they look pretty cool. The pose for the Grotesque is odd, I'll admit.

Edit: Have we any idea when the Voidraven is coming out? I was kind of under the impression it would be under this release, along with the Decapitator? I guess this question is for Kroot, are either of them in the foreseeable future?

Alpharius wrote:

Gorechild wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Also, for the work-blocked, what is the price of the Razorwing?

£25.50 I don't know if that helps or gives you an indication of what it might be in $?

Oops - sorry!

I mean to add in "in US Dollars" in there...

$41.25

the wracks come in 5 for 45$ the grotesque come in 1 and at 30$ thats 90 bucks just to make a small squad according to the codex...unless my new book is already outdated :\ (or this is just a way for GW to make people buy overly expensive models to include them in their army)

Is it me or does the Wracks gun remind you of an M15/M16?



I like the new models, the Grot could be better but it's nothing that can be fixed.

I want that Voidraven!

kronk wrote:I like these minis, actually. The DE Haemonculus is kind of lame, but the other minis are pretty sweet.

I don't really mind the haemy pose that much for a single model, but with any quantity of them over that, its going to look silly not having more poseability options. Its a shame. Couldn't they just make a force commander-esque haemy box for all the options he carries?

I didn't mind the Grotesque at first, but having 3-4 of them doing the freaking beat-it dance across the table is going to look really stupid. At 30 a pop, I think they priced them out of game usage for a lot of people.

Yeah, I agree. The Haemis can be taken 3 per HQ choice. It's kind of silly you might end up with six little freaks in their Jesus Christ pose.

that wrack has a hex rifle.

Foo wrote:Yeah, I agree. The Haemis can be taken 3 per HQ choice. It's kind of silly you might end up with six little freaks in their Jesus Christ pose.

I guess you could put them on something like this for even more flavour!

I think the models are cool, and I do think that Dark Eldar were due a good solid release lineup....but for feths sake, I am tired of all the new stuff being Dark Eldar. Where are the missing Nid models!

Jburch wrote:I think the models are cool, and I do think that Dark Eldar were due a good solid release lineup....but for feths sake, I am tired of all the new stuff being Dark Eldar. Where are the missing Nid models!

Dark Eldar players were sick of a decade without anything. Tyranids had a lot in that decade and the DE had nothing. They are just trying to catch them up. Of course I keep hearing rumors of a Tyranid second wave this fall, so keep your fingers crossed.

More pictures of the Razorwing (because I couldn't find these in the thread).
Available for £25.50 on the 18th of June.

Haemonculus: I like it, pretty solid, just like the pick in the book. Though, I don't know if its just me, does anyone else think the painting looks kinda. . .weird? I can almost see the lack of quality of the model, in the paint job. They just don't look as clean to me.

Wracks: Cool singular mini, but I can't see them looking cool in a unit. They would be sooooOOOOoooo boring. "Look! Look! We're casually walking everywhere. . .and. . .and. . .uhhhhh. . .Brandishing our weapons in a threatening manner!. . .uhhhhh. . .yeah. . .Ummmm. . .Yay! Go, go, Finecast!" But, I'm not paying $66 bucks to field a full unit of them.

Grotesques: Total, utter, infallible, complete, in totality, mind numbingly, CRAP!!!!! TERRIBLE!!!!!! AWFUL!!!!!! GARBAGE!!!!!! Nice single pose mini for $33 bucks. *LMFAO* ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I'd rather bash my face into the wall than EVER buy that model.

lords2001 wrote:You know, my dreams of a dark eldar army are dying. I said I'd wait until I saw all the releases before I jumped in. What a failure that was.

Aww dont give up your dream , just use these! :
They are same size and only $6 each?

Hmm i wonder where GW copied the helmet from !

Why did they give the new wrack model a lizardmen close combat weapon?

To the poster above: The grotesque is $20.75, not $33 . At least, the flag next to your username is US, not Can...

Personally, I have to echo kronk, Mr Mystery, and others in this thread- these minis look great. Maybe not as fantastic as the other DE releases, but I'm pretty excited about them.

Why? I would only ever field a single unit of Grotesques (and let's be honest- they're pricey points-wise, who is going to be fielding more?) and probably 3 small units of wracks in venoms. So, these fit the bill perfectly.

I like them... and yes, the Wracks are menacing, and could look good next to all the other super-dynamic models in the DE range. It adds contrast...

I wonder if they put their feet so close together to distinguish them from the pose of the mandrakes, who all look like they're doing squats

Wracks are ok, Razorwing is very good, and the Grotesque and Haemonculus are garbage. I might pick up a Razorwing or two at some point, but I'm glad I already converted Haemonculi, 30 wracks, and a unit of grotesques... OUT OF PLASTIC.

RiTides, not everyone plays MSU wracks...poor coven players.

Haemy looks dumb (pose), wracks look meh. Somehow they look better together. Liquifier wrack looks good, but a SPIKED CLUB?!

Grotesques are a real fail at just one pose.

Crypt ghoul torso and flagellant legs with the DE reaver helmet blows these wracks away. I may convert some that way after all.

I like them, after peering them over a bit. They're all different, but still horribly boring.

Wracks... Why the gak would I want to take a splinter pistol or a hex rifle on WRACKS? On a Haemonculi, sure, but not on wracks.

Grotesque is nice. Huge model, and not THAT bad of a pose. Lots of cool things to paint.

Haemonculi... Horrible. Sold in four components, which means that either the Head (which is awful) or some of the arms don't come off. I'm disgusted with the hammy, really. I couldn't imagine a worse model. I think I'll find some fantasy model to meet the need.

Razorwing.... I'm speechless. Amazing.

Come on, show us the voidraven already!

AesSedai wrote:RiTides, not everyone plays MSU wracks...poor coven players.

Very fair point... I agree that given the price it is extremely cost-prohibitive, not to mention pose-prohibitive, to use these models in multiple large units :-/

But for those of us who just want a few, I think they're fantastic.

I mean, look at this:



"Come fething get some..." Seriously.

Not until next year jk. Hopefully by the end of the summer.

Boo...

I mean it, though- it's the general anti-GW feeling of late that has these models being panned so bad.

They're expensive, there's little variety on the pose of the wracks and only one grotesque pose- but the models are good! I also like the Haemonculus... not sure what people's problems with it are, given it's almost identical to the book picture from what I remember.

Give 'em a chance, and all that...

I like the Wracks, I'm slowly coming round to the Haemonculus (though will want to see what can be done to convert him, I wouldn't want to take 3 of the same mini for 1 HQ choice) but I'm disappointed by the Grotesque - why sell a single miniature for £12 or whatever it is when you HAVE to take a minimum of 3 per unit? They're not good looking enough to justify spending that much on multiple models that look exactly the same except for the choice of weapon that they carry. I can't see why GW didn't release these as MPK's ala Wyches / Warriors etc - they'll sell but would sell more as bigger box sets with better value and more to them


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Btw, that hexrifle on the chief wrack is NUTS!!!!!!!


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Btw, that hexrifle on the chief wrack is NUTS!!!!!!!

LunaHound wrote:
Hmm i wonder where GW copied the helmet from !

roman gladiators?

I like the wracks. I dislike the "conga"-otesque. The pose looks too much like he is dancing and the waste is too small for my likes. It has nothing to do with GW's inane marketing policy.

I don't want to be a total downer, but how many times have we seen kits like this get put on Advanced Order for one price, at around the time of the annual increase? And then when released they were somehow also affected by an increase that happened while they were still on advanced order. I would not be surprised if they don't make it to launch with that price tag.

By the way the two I can think of are the Land Raider Crusader (announced and pre-ordered at 45.00, released at ~52.50), and the Valkyrie (announced at 50.00, released at 57.00). Though I am certain it has happened more often. At least kits that were released just this year like the Stormraven don't appear to be going up this time.

RiTides wrote:

AesSedai wrote:RiTides, not everyone plays MSU wracks...poor coven players.

Very fair point... I agree that given the price it is extremely cost-prohibitive, not to mention pose-prohibitive, to use these models in multiple large units :-/

But for those of us who just want a few, I think they're fantastic.

I mean, look at this:



"Come fething get some..." Seriously.

i agree - i generally like the Wrack models, and though i am dismayed that they are quite SO static, and all of them are in basically the exact same pose, the pose would work for a guard of some character. but, with DE, you're more likely going to be speeding at your enemy one way or another (Venom, Raider, WWP + moving and running), and so the standing straight and tall pose seems pretty unusual. my guess is that the sculptor (who did these?) didn't have the skills to make such intricate skirt-looking clothing look good in a more dynamic pose, and made them so static to better do the detail of the clothing/armor. i have converted some Mandrakes to be my Wracks, since i really really like the hakama they are wearing.

the Grotesques, on the other hand, are a train wreck. a bit more dynamic (which is good, these brutes also shouldn't be just sitting there) but even more mono-pose than the Wracks! and the fact that the growths/tech-parts built into/growing from their backs are larger than their actual torso is a design blunder of staggering proportions. i know that it reflects the art in the codex, but in my opinion that picture fails for exactly the same reason.

but the Razorwing is just fantastic. big, BIG props to the sculptor who executed that one. i might get a second one to be a Voidraven, if no Voidraven release is forthcoming, and just alter it a little bit here and there to differentiate it from the Razorwing. i cannot even really think of anything at all to nit-pick with the design. one of the most flawless looks i've seen from GW in a while. of course, it could be difficult to build or have some other flaw that isn't clear from the pic, but with the ease and crispness that the new Raider set goes together, i am optimistic that there won't be any problems.

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LunaHound wrote:

lords2001 wrote:You know, my dreams of a dark eldar army are dying. I said I'd wait until I saw all the releases before I jumped in. What a failure that was.

Aww dont give up your dream , just use these! :
They are same size and only $6 each?

Hmm i wonder where GW copied the helmet from !

BTW, what are these models in this pic? i really like them. i was thinking Cryx at first, but the base doesn't look like a PP one to me (though i wouldn't really know, having never bought anything from them before).

For some reason, I don't really like the Razorwing... but then again, I don't like Raiders either, so maybe it's just the big DE vehicles aesthetic that doesn't work for me.

The Razorwing just seems too G.I. Joe / Cobra Commander for me . Most 40k tanks do, but this one especially...

Yes! The Groteque's clearly doing a song and dance number.

RiTides wrote:For some reason, I don't really like the Razorwing... but then again, I don't like Raiders either, so maybe it's just the big DE vehicles aesthetic that doesn't work for me.

The Razorwing just seems too G.I. Joe / Cobra Commander for me . Most 40k tanks do, but this one especially...

Yeah, I think the top shell is a little too inelegant, for lack of a better word. It doesn't look bad, it just doesn't quite fit the raider esthetic for me. It looks like the mini-jet that was attached to that giant cobra raven, or whatever it was called (man that was a long time ago).

keep in mind the haemy,wracks and grots are all finecast, wich is tons easier to convert then pewter. it should be no problem to clip off unwanted arms or weapons and add new ones from whatever other models you want. im thinking about kitbashing together a grotesque and a talos kit, since they look fairly close size wise.

otherwise everything else looks sweet!

Well I'm really impressed with the two DE releases this month.

I really like the Razorwing and will be ordering three to use as Voidravens.

The Haemonculus is okay, but I'll probably just make mine from bits from the Wrack kit and wych and warrior kits.

The Wracks are fabulous and priced okay.

The Grotesque is a nice sculpt. It's too pricey for me though, and there is only one sculpt so I'll be sourcing my grotesques elsewhere.

I'm excited to be able to do a full-on coven army now, filled with Haemonculi, wracks, grotesques, and pain engines. It should be a nice change from my hybrid wych/kabal list.

The Haemonculus looks like he wants a hug. I don't get why his two upper arms are stretched out completely straight like that. It's not completely horrible though, and I bet you can stick some wrack bits on him.

catharsix wrote:


BTW, what are these models in this pic? i really like them. i was thinking Cryx at first, but the base doesn't look like a PP one to me (though i wouldn't really know, having never bought anything from them before).

asimo77 wrote:The Haemonculus looks like he wants a hug. I don't get why his two upper arms are stretched out completely straight like that. It's not completely horrible though, and I bet you can stick some wrack bits on him.

Its standard "floating down to kill you" stance, or maybe yoga. Wait wait, its the Haemonculus zumba.

One of those wracks has TWO HEADS!!! Awesome!!!

I find it a bit funny that Wracks cost more than Incubi. I'm just gonna stick with the Battleforce and kitbash a group of flagellants into my wyches for my wracks. 45 for only 5 of them is a bit too much for me to swallow.

michelj wrote:One of those wracks has TWO HEADS!!! Awesome!!!

Well I'll be damned. I didn't even see that. That's creepy as hell.

After seeing the pictures games workshop have uploaded I have to say I enjoy the new models after saying they were a bit average earlier in this thread.

I run a kabal list that has remained purely kabalite and hellion/harlequin based as I enjoy speed and swift sweeping advance nonsense. None of these new kits will end up in my army, as I wait for the voidraven in all its deadly glory.

Wow missing that second head really makes me think I have not gave those models enough attention to detail!

Alpharius wrote:

catharsix wrote:


BTW, what are these models in this pic? i really like them. i was thinking Cryx at first, but the base doesn't look like a PP one to me (though i wouldn't really know, having never bought anything from them before).

They are from Rackham's now dead CONFRONTATION game.

And, if you like them, you should seek out the metals - the ones pictures above are from the Pre-Painted Plastics days that heralded the Death of Rackham.

The metal ones are amazing...

Worse still, it's a baby head!

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I find it a bit funny that Wracks cost more than Incubi. I'm just gonna stick with the Battleforce and kitbash a group of flagellants into my wyches for my wracks. 45 for only 5 of them is a bit too much for me to swallow.

Just wait until Incubi go Finecost. I'm pretty sure will reach same price.

Worglock wrote:

Alpharius wrote:

catharsix wrote:


BTW, what are these models in this pic? i really like them. i was thinking Cryx at first, but the base doesn't look like a PP one to me (though i wouldn't really know, having never bought anything from them before).

They are from Rackham's now dead CONFRONTATION game.

And, if you like them, you should seek out the metals - the ones pictures above are from the Pre-Painted Plastics days that heralded the Death of Rackham.

The metal ones are amazing...

Worglock wrote:
Specifically, if I remember correctly those were called "Tigers of Dirz"

I must say, I am actually favourably impressed by the cost of the Razorwing. I had expected it to cost much more.

Nice models, but with the exception of the 'Wing, a bit pricey for my tastes.

The razor is a decent price for a flier. The kit's super simple though. It looks like 3 big peices and a few small ones. Nice and easy to squish together.

Ysclyth wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I find it a bit funny that Wracks cost more than Incubi. I'm just gonna stick with the Battleforce and kitbash a group of flagellants into my wyches for my wracks. 45 for only 5 of them is a bit too much for me to swallow.

Just wait until Incubi go Finecost. I'm pretty sure will reach same price.

I could be missing something but it appears as though the wracks are only $33 for 5 which is only 3 more than the incubi.

@ Alpharius - well nuts. I stand corrected. Think I still have a bunch of Wolfen, Devourers and Undead in a box in storage somewhere. Maybe. Don't remember if I sold them.

The prepainted Confrontation minis are Confrontation Scorpions Nemesis Evolution.
I intended on buying some to use as my Grotesques, but was waiting for the official model 'just in case.'
I know which direction I'm going, now.

Eric

gremmie0 wrote: Couldn't they just make a force commander-esque haemy box for all the options he carries?

Because Dark Eldar aren't SPESS MAHREENZ.

kitch102 wrote:I can't see why GW didn't release these as MPK's ala Wyches / Warriors etc - they'll sell but would sell more as bigger box sets with better value and more to them

Because GW can't release an infinite amount of plastic kits with every update. If that were the case then why not do every single model as a plastic kit? (Well, actually I can tell you: because DE aren't SPESS MAHREENZ!)

And not only that but it probably would have meant not doing the scourges in plastic, and as far as I'm concerned plastic scourges were a must so that wasn't even really an option. I feel bad for all the people who seriously planned on taking nothing but wracks and grotesques in their armies and can't do that now, but at the same time I don't give a crap because SCOURGES.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I find it a bit funny that Wracks cost more than Incubi.

...hey, funny you should mention that, because when the price increase happens the incubi are going to be almost $40. And Finecost (which means absolutely nothing).

Which really sucks for me because I wanted to buy at least three more kits, and now I'm reluctant to buy even one more. Which reminds me, someone sold off some of their DE stuff at the local store and they had two boxes of the new incubi for $15 each. I was ecstatic...until I found out none of them had the trophy racks. The guy who traded them in kept the trophy rack bits. I could've gotten all the models I needed to field the two units I wanted but some guy had to be a DICK and keep all the trophy rack bits for himself, lol.

Anyway, I'm not sure why people hate the haemonculus so much. The worst thing about him is the price, in my opinion...although considering the haemonculi are some of the most customizable units in the codex (which is mentioned in their What's New Today article on the website even), not releasing extra arms and stuff seems almost criminally stupid.

Also, I thought this was funny...from the website, on the wracks:

What really strikes me is the miniatures though. With flayed-skin robes, stapled-together body parts, bony specimen racks sprouting from their backs and anonymous facemasks they are truly creepy. What really stands out though is how they're posed. Most Dark Eldar miniatures are very dynamic - running, leaping and jumping all over the place. By contrast the Wracks appear to be poised for imminent action, as if they're considering the besy way to chop you up. They look fully prepared to cause violence and carnage...

So it seems I might have been right, the boring poses probably were intentional, so they would be in contrast to the rest of the army. However I wouldn't describe them as "poised for imminent action"...

Sidstyler wrote:
So it seems I might have been right, the boring poses probably were intentional, so they would be in contrast to the rest of the army. However I wouldn't describe them as "poised for imminent action"...

Yeah this all makes sense. And I really have no problems with the wracks

although considering the haemonculi are some of the most customizable units in the codex (which is mentioned in their What's New Today article on the website even), not releasing extra arms and stuff seems almost criminally stupid.

This^10000

Well, we'll have to convert it then! Given all the models that won't need to be converted due to being released, that's not so bad...

I am planning to field 3 Haemonculi, though, so that could be a little challenging...

And agree about the wracks' pose being intentional. Again, I rather like it! Not a complete homerun, but very, very menacing and "Come get some"

Alpharius wrote:
The Alchemists of Dirz were one of the more bizarre (and awesome!) factions in Confrontation, a beautiful miniature line that died twice.

Rest in piece, Rackham!

First off, "piece"?

Second, come on! Are you TRYING to rile me up? I have a Dark Eldar army, so you know I'm reading this thread. Why you gots to start a fight about the only thing we disagree on?

revackey wrote:Is it me or does the Wracks gun remind you of an M15/M16?

My Gork, now that you say it, I can't look away. This looks ridicoulus!

it does...doesn't it...

Anung Un Rama wrote:My Gork, now that you say it, I can't look away. This looks ridicoulus!

This is my hexrifle, there are many like it, but this one is mine...

I guess it vaguely resembles an M-16, but there's only so many basic 'shapes' for rifle-style hand-held weapons.

rivers64 wrote:

Ysclyth wrote:

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:I find it a bit funny that Wracks cost more than Incubi. I'm just gonna stick with the Battleforce and kitbash a group of flagellants into my wyches for my wracks. 45 for only 5 of them is a bit too much for me to swallow.

Just wait until Incubi go Finecost. I'm pretty sure will reach same price.

I could be missing something but it appears as though the wracks are only $33 for 5 which is only 3 more than the incubi.

We have the Finecast Incubi at my comic shop. They're $50 CDN, used to be around $40, I think?

They used to be $35 CDN

Anung Un Rama wrote:

revackey wrote:Is it me or does the Wracks gun remind you of an M15/M16?

My Gork, now that you say it, I can't look away. This looks ridicoulus!

No, ridiculous is the fact it's sculpted with the bullets pointed the wrong way.

Crazy_Carnifex wrote:They used to be $35 CDN

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Ouze wrote:[No, ridiculous is the fact it's sculpted with the bullets pointed the wrong way.

How do you know? They're techomagic super-poison projectile vials that turn people into glass!

Foo wrote:How do you know? They're techomagic super-poison projectile vials that turn people into glass!

I don't know. It might look a lot different from a better angle.

They aren't bullets

I see them as test tubes with a needle at one end (inside clip) that are fired by compressed air or similar (like a tranq rifle).

That said it does look a big goofy. I would have done a drum mag.

Taken from Warseer:

eldargal wrote:I've heard* Malys is getting a sculpt, along with either the Duke or the Baron, when is another matter.
*I've been told this I mean, not just speculation.

ghost21 wrote:chatter is there very angry at certain rumormongers and want them silenced permanently. the DE fighter was the last straw
in addition gw staff will be told NOTHING until at least 4-5 days before release this includes managers
(...)
well they claim it damaged gws reputation, therefore no leaks, no incoming emails

scarletsquig wrote:So, the razorwing leak that we all reacted to with "wow, that looks awesome!" and "wow, only £25? Cool." was considered a horribly damaging thing by GW?

from what i squeezed out of people they saw short term sales drop because of the razorwing (people saving for the fighter) and yet once the thing went on sale (was available to order by indys) that has had good sales / orders

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

tricksey hobbitses

chatter is there very angry at certain rumormongers and want them silenced permanently

I don't know what UK law is like, but here in the United States at least, murder is illegal...yes, even for rich corporate entities like you, GW.

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

No, it just means people run out of money faster and can't get the new releases that they might have actually wanted once they do finally hit shelves. GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is, especially in the case of the razorwing. Almost nothing but praise, even for the price which is VERY RARE for a GW model, which has probably guaranteed quite a bit of sales from people who weren't interested before (like me), and that's a bad thing? A model they're releasing has proven to be very popular, and this is "the last straw", this is unacceptable for them?

Sidstyler wrote:

chatter is there very angry at certain rumormongers and want them silenced permanently

I don't know what UK law is like, but here in the United States at least, murder is illegal...yes, even for rich corporate entities like you, GW.

OK, I LOL'd!

Sidstyler wrote:

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

No, it just means people run out of money faster and can't get the new releases that they might have actually wanted once they do finally hit shelves. GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is, especially in the case of the razorwing. Almost nothing but praise, even for the price which is VERY RARE for a GW model, which has probably guaranteed quite a bit of sales from people who weren't interested before (like me), and that's a bad thing? A model they're releasing has proven to be very popular, and this is "the last straw", this is unacceptable for them?

Well said Sid!

Sidstyler wrote:

No, it just means people run out of money faster and can't get the new releases that they might have actually wanted once they do finally hit shelves. GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is, especially in the case of the razorwing. Almost nothing but praise, even for the price which is VERY RARE for a GW model, which has probably guaranteed quite a bit of sales from people who weren't interested before (like me), and that's a bad thing? A model they're releasing has proven to be very popular, and this is "the last straw", this is unacceptable for them?

It actually makes sense. If I had no idea about new releases. And said, hmmm I really want another raider, I will buy one. And so I do buy one. Then the new releases come out and boom! Its amazing I love it. Have to have it. Well, if it is so good, I will certainly get it. And I am sure GW doesn't mind if I break my budget to do so.(Though the missus might )
Its not that they think we have access to unlimited money. Its just that they are well aware of the fact that most of their customers have access to more money. Which we do.

I am also sure that GW is more than happy to sell models that have perhaps lost their pizazz. Because people will have a while to continue to be excited about the new goodies.

That's it? THAT'S the reason they won't show us anything? Because they're afraid we're going to save up for it?! Has it seriously never occurred to them that they're making far more money back on a 'rumored' item than they could possibly be losing on sales they might have made otherwise? Or maybe if people don't know what GW has coming, they'll blow their allowance on something completely non-GW related instead? Like we all have nothing better to spend money on besides GW toys...

The 'GW suicide model' (as it shall come to be known) is like a self-inflicted shogun blast to the penis. They're making their own death as horrible and painful as they possibly can, for no reason other than to spite. . . themselves?

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

"That, is why GW fails..." - Yoda, a casual gamer.

As much as I like them, I will probably be getting the battle force so I have a playable army for my friend's campaign this summer. If he helps me out fiscally (Ill probably paint some of his stuff) Then I might be able to grab a couple Haemonculi.

So do you think the higher ups at GW ever took Marketing 101?

If anyone gets incubi / etc in resin, I'd love to see pics...

Word is that the resin is soft and easy to work with? I'm hoping this redeems the grotesques, but their stance and torso positions are so fundamentally jacked around, it seems it might still be hard to make the look decent without being Michelangelo with the green stuff...

I picked up a box of the Mandrakes, I honestly don't see any major differance between the new resin and other brands. It's a bit more durable than the stuff forgeworld uses but not by much. Overall it's very nice stuff to work with much better than the metal, and the casting is quite good, most of the threads people have posted have some really rough miscasts that I didn't see present on any of the blisters I was sorting through.

The quality is on par with FW stuff, with the exception that the mold lines are way better. FW models in my experience tend to have a lot of mold slip and really bad mold lines, the fine cast stuff seems to have fixed that pretty well. They do have some small bubbles on some of the models. On my Mandrakes one of the guys only has two toes and each of the models has some microbubbles on the right hand so the fingers are all slightly damaged. But given my experience with resin that's a very common occurance as the parts are really tiny, none of them are deformed enough to be unuseable but they will all require a slight bit of touch up with greenstuff.

On of the librarians I saw in the store had some issues with the power cables on his staff having some voids due to bubbles, but I looked at maybe 30 os so blisters and only two models had apparent flaws, so overall they are pretty solid casts. And that's coming from a very detail focused snob like me

In my opinion I think they came out great for the most part, but I am a very experienced modeller and used to the difficulties of working with resin. I'm not sure how great of a choice it'd be for the average 12-14 year old gamer however. I do realize that many of the kids may not notice or even care about the finer details as they are just getting the models to use for table top play and not high end modelling or painting. I realize that it may not have been a feasible option but I would have preferred if they'd kept the metal around for when you want a tablestandard model and then having finecast available for the more diehard modellers.

They were $33 which is a bit steep, the old models were $25 if I recall correctly? Being that the cause for the switch away from metals is that resin is cheaper to produce I'm not entirely sure why the price hike. They should have kept the price where it was at as they'd already be coming out ahead... but GW never misses a chance to drive their prices endlessly up. Finecast is a fairly solid product quality wise but I do think they are going to end up slowing a lot of their sales due to the higher cost.

Heh Marb..i mean Rambo ftw

I hadn't seen anyone do it yet. I had to.

3 out of the 5 models:




The microbubbles, and other normal stuff for resin like the weapons being slightly bent which can be corrected with hot water.

Ewww, thats pretty bad. what are we supposed to do? Resculpt the feet entirely from GS?

Apparently, yeah. So stop whining and "deal with it", ingrate!

Seriously though, I hope for their sake they sort this gak out quick. I half expect some kind of special announcement on Monday addressing the sheer number of miscasts, but since GW won't admit they ever do anything wrong I'm guessing that probably won't happen and we'll just get more bs about how these models are bigger than Jesus.

Deal with it Pualson GAmes!

3 GW minis is still cheaper than an air gun i think!

warhammer ftw yay~

Thanks for posting that, Paulson Games!

RiTides wrote:If anyone gets incubi / etc in resin, I'd love to see pics...

Ask and it shall be so!

So here are some of my new Incubi. First off, my camera sucks. I'm trying to get a new one ASAP. However...









At first blush, the new resin is exactly as advertised. Strangely soft and pliable, but prone to snap like the GW plastic if you push too far. I - like many posters - tried being gentle with a file and found it was okay, but the big risk is filing away the entire figure, because they are not tough.

I had not miscasts (that I've caught so far) and remarkably few mold lines. I told the owner of my FLGS that I wasn't buying them until I saw them, and thankfully they were fine, because he didn't seem all that inclined to give me a refund...

Overall my biggest worries are heat and handling. I think a hot summer day could melt this stuff. Also, the blades and back-banner things are SUPER fragile. If this hits the ground or someone knocks into it with a metal figure, it could break in a second.

My favorite things were how easy they went together. The super glue works like a charm on these, and the assembled one went together in minutes. The flash came off mostly easy and I was able to build one in no time. the metal Incubi were so horrible I stopped building them. I'm going to sell them now, just to be rid of the things.

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On a separate note, I did see someone else building the Archon in the store. He showed me the Huskblade, and when he waved the arm back and forth, the Huskblade wiggled. It was really flimsy...

Sidstyler wrote:

they think that if they hide releases people will continue to spend not knowing whats around the corner this will a maintain steam of revenue

GW seems to be under the impression that their customers have access to an unlimited amount of money, and considering that their main target is children relying on allowance money and whatever jank pay they get from working part-time, that's really hilarious.

I still can't believe how utterly moronic this whole thing is..

Rationing. It all 'makes sense' if you think you are a monopoly. No one will run out of money or 'spend to fast'. The assumption is we have no choice, so we are fed and we consume. If they give us too much at once or we make a choice (to wait for something else) they lose money as we only can eat so much at a time...or (god forbid) we get used to too much (we eat a lot at once) and we seek other options to satisfy what they cannot provide at that moment. It' the time honored principle of tyrants and monopolies - ration and keep 'em just slightly hungry.

How much for the metal Incubi? I'm collecting them from people. Thx.

yeah,

Sheck2 wrote:... It' the time honored principle of tyrants and monopolies - ration and keep 'em just slightly hungry.

works on me. I want more right now.
Panic...

I took the box back to the local bunker which exchanged it. I gave the box a quick look over and it was better than the first but there were still a few minor bubble problems. None of these were major and could easily be corrected with a dab of superglue or greenstuff. I'm still a bit irritated as it required a second trip back for marginal models, not the sterling quality that GW is advertising finecast as being.

I took some on the sprue shots which I'd skipped last time.





The bubbles on the new box:








The bubbles were still occuring in the same places, hands and toes so I know it's likely a result of the mold and not just a singular miscast. From my personal casting experience I know it'd take only a few seconds of work to prevent this using a light dusting of Talc powder on the molds which helps wick the resin to the surface and eliminate fine bubbles. This is an easily correctable problem which is why I'm not to happy with the purchase. (with the previous experience compounding it)

I apreciate the fact that the store was able to exchange the box, however it's not something I should have to chase around fixing, they are billing finecast as a superior quality product and in my experience it's proving no better than the metals. My biggest suggestion is make sure you go over every mini in the store before leaving and if you find a problem immediately exchange it or return it.

I had been planning on purchasing enough Mandrakes to fill out two full units, with future plans of purchasing enough Talos engines and Wracks to fill out a flesh cult list. I no longer intend to be doing so, with the increased cost of the models and downgrade in quality I really can't justify spending money on those. This is why GW just isn't cutting it for me anymore, had the quality upheld their BS hype campaign claims I had planned on buying 3 more boxes of mandrakes, 3 talos engines and at least 8 boxes of wracks. That's $500 in sales they just lost, purchases that will be going to Privateer Press, I will be buying cephalyx overlords and thralls to use as stand in models for the wracks and I will piece together the talos engines out of warjacks.

I gave it a shot and I'm disappointed enough I don't see any reason to use fine cast to fill core unit slots. The quality level is not what they have been promoting, GW just keeps f'ing up their stuff and I'm done with them. There are plenty of other options out there (and less expensive)



Privateer's Cephalyx Slaver Box - $33 for 6 guys, without dubious casts? Yes Please!

Ok, dont have the patience to go through the other half of this thread. All Im going to say is:

The Talos/Cronos looks massive!!! Makes me like it even more!

The venom is great and cheap.

The Scourges look good a really cheap! Pity it would be hard to spam 1 particular weapon at a time, only getting 1 of each in a box.

Battleforce - nothing unexpected.

Razorwing - Ridiculously happy that came out. When can I get one!?!?!

Wracks - Look great, dont know if I'll fork out to replace my 20 old mandrake models im using all at once!

Grotesque - cool but dont use them.

Haem - definately would need to be very reposeable but nice.

Resin in general - Nicer cut and good sharp deepness to it, but I dont like the flashing that you still get with it. Plastic is still the best!

A vehicle the size of a deffkopta is cheap at $30? The raider is the same price :( The Venom is about $10 more expensive than i wanted it to be

Scourges are awesome. I want plenty

Battleforce is ok. Does nothing for me, but then i'm a coven fan.

Razorwing is fabulous. Nothing at all to complain about there, even the price

Grosesques look ok, but not quite what i visualized. If they can get the resin issues sorted out i might pick up some.

Grosesque is ..ok.. but only one variant and resin kind of kills it for me.

Haem is pretty good. I would have liked it better in plastic.

Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

Hey, it's cool: their feet are wrapped up.

If anyone's interested I posted a crappy review of the incubi in the other Finecast thread...no pics though, but just imagine they look something like Obiwan's but with more of that thin flash.

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

I don’t think they even have faces anymore, so pants are the least of their troubles.

I’ll let you know though when my box arrives (yes, I ordered some Crix models).

it looks to me like fine cast isn't what it's all hyped to be. with all those missing toes and bubbles.

It seems like a small thing to complain about, but it's really god-damned annoying, and at the price you're paying it's too much to ignore or just "deal with". I'm lucky I didn't get anything quite that bad in my incubi box or I'd have been pissed.

I know it's a couple of toes, but I'm not a sculptor. If I were I wouldn't be buying models since at this point it would probably be cheaper to just sculpt and cast my own, lol.

This Finecast fiasco reminds me of the GW plastic terrain Space Wreckage debacle. The one that was advertised as looking beautifully cut with crisp edges and discernible bits of shattered debris and crumbled earth... but the actual plastic product looked like a blob of mud? I'd link it, but it appears they swept that under the rug... If I recall correctly, H.B.M.C. lead the vanguard of outrage against it. (Not even the GW painters could get the actual model to look acceptable.)

Something has to change with Finecast. Either the quality goes way up, or the price goes way down. People won't pay top dollar for gakky, inferior product.

Paulson, the talos is plastic...


Thanks for the incubi pics, scotty!

RiTides wrote:Paulson, the talos is plastic...

Right, but I decided I'm not going to mix lines for the flesh cult as it'd clash visually (and GW has pissed me off plenty). Since wracks won't be an option due to them being only available in crappy "finecast" I've cancelled my pre-orders of the talos kits as well.

I'll build a Talos stand-in from PP parts to use alongside their Cephalyx models, hell maybe I'll sculpt something from scratch

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

They feel no pain

Kroothawk wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Nice, but couldn't they have found some pants for them?

They feel no pain

Guess they like to feel the breeze though.

I hate pinning, but I think, on balance, that I'd prefer the hassle of pinning than the hassle of sculpting new fingers and toes on every mini. :(

Tailgunner wrote:Given how much PP has borrowed from GW, I think that's a fair exchange. And yes I know GW have taken ideas from lots of other sources.

Care to expand on what PP have borrowed from GW, Tailgunner? I'm curious, as I don't recall seeing anything that screams at me "I was stolen from 40k!!1!" in the PP line.

infinite_array wrote:GW's definitely the front runner when it comes to the actual miniatures

I've got to disagree with this, i_a - on pure quality of sculpts, there are quite a few ranges which out-do GW, Studio McVey resin being a prime example. From wha I've seen, the Sedition Wars metals are up there too. For an entire gaming range, Anima Tactics is another that I'd place ahead of GW.

Tailgunner wrote:Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

Cephalyx Slave and Drudge Mind Slaves were released alongside WARMACHINE: Legends, which was published in 2008 (and we're still waiting on a Mercenary contract/theme force that can use these "Allies".....)
Cephalyx Overlords (the three-man unit) were also released alongside WARMACHINE: Legends

Grotesques wrote:Total, utter, infallible, complete, in totality, mind numbingly, CRAP!!!!! TERRIBLE!!!!!! AWFUL!!!!!! GARBAGE!!!!!! Nice single pose mini for $33 bucks. *LMFAO* ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS ROFLS!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I'd rather bash my face into the wall than EVER buy that model.

So, it's safe to say that you're not a fan, then? I'll just put you down for the one squad, then.....

Alpharius wrote:The Alchemists of Dirz were one of the more bizarre (and awesome!) factions in Confrontation, a beautiful miniature line that died twice.

They were certainly bizarre, but I preferred the Tir-na-bor myself. Unfortunately, I don't recall them getting released in the second attemt at Confrontation :(

paulson games wrote:I had been planning on purchasing enough Mandrakes to fill out two full units, with future plans of purchasing enough Talos engines and Wracks to fill out a flesh cult list. I no longer intend to be doing so, with the increased cost of the models and downgrade in quality I really can't justify spending money on those. This is why GW just isn't cutting it for me anymore, had the quality upheld their BS hype campaign claims I had planned on buying 3 more boxes of mandrakes, 3 talos engines and at least 8 boxes of wracks. That's $500 in sales they just lost, purchases that will be going to Privateer Press, I will be buying cephalyx overlords and thralls to use as stand in models for the wracks and I will piece together the talos engines out of warjacks.

I gave it a shot and I'm disappointed enough I don't see any reason to use fine cast to fill core unit slots. The quality level is not what they have been promoting, GW just keeps f'ing up their stuff and I'm done with them. There are plenty of other options out there (and less expensive)

I don't really blame you. To be fair, though, the Talos is frigging awesome and in plastic. I love mine (almost done painting)!

I'm in the same boat with Wracks and Haemonculi. I want to order some, but I'm afraid of getting a seriously miscast box of Wracks by mail...

@Foo
This is my biggest concern. I have faith that the majority of models are well cast enough and have no significant problems. I am however concerned that if I order by mail, I may have difficulty in making returns if it is not directly from GW.

Dysartes wrote:

Alpharius wrote:The Alchemists of Dirz were one of the more bizarre (and awesome!) factions in Confrontation, a beautiful miniature line that died twice.

They were certainly bizarre, but I preferred the Tir-na-bor myself. Unfortunately, I don't recall them getting released in the second attemt at Confrontation :(

Tir-Na-Bor only died once, like most fractions. The prepainted Confrontation game died too quickly for them to be released.
Otherwise I would have bought tons of Ashigaru goblins

Ah, I see, Paulson Games! I'm sure you're capable of scratch sculpting whatever you want, anyway

For myself, that's the reason I'll stomach the wracks/incubi being finecast- I don't need many, and I want the whole army to "match" and not mix ranges.

If anyone's interested: Here's the Talos I painted for my local store.

Highly recommend the model. It's great.

Foo, that Talos looks incredible!

And THIS is why I'll still be building my DE army . The plastic kits are totally fantastic!

Nice clean and simple paintjob, too

Thanks, guys. It's really great model and the parts are set up such that you can easily convert between the Talos and Cronos if you wish (minus the mosquito head on the Cronos).

More pics are in my thread if you're interested.

I like the drug bottles hanging everywhere :'D

Actually, it's Diet Coke

Kroothawk wrote:Actually, it's Diet Coke

If i had the skills to, i would have all those drug injectors painted as different name brand soft drink cans.

RedBull and mountain dew?

LunaHound wrote:If i had the skills to, i would have all those drug injectors painted as different name brand soft drink cans.

RedBull and mountain dew?

Dark Eldar Wrack: "I'm all jacked up on Mountain Dew! I'm gonna come at you like a spider monkey!"

Well thats a whole new way for me to look at Dark Eldar! What is seen can not be unseen!

I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

It's not pop, but Egg Waaagh.

Squigonade?

Coca Defrolla?

Hm, i as jus thinking about it, and realized...

I dont hate the new Wrack models. They are nice, cool indeed (even being "finecost"), my problem with them is: they dont look like wracks.

When you talk about wracks i remember the word "wreck", and them, visualize a living mindless weapon, made by some haemonculus with the first "spare parts" (read slaves) he have around. Its not to diferent from a empirean tech-servitor, only with better finesse and biotechnology.

So, when i imagine wracks, they are not like those posing vilains with daring weapons, they are like weak minions, zombie-alike. Those models are not bad, but dont look like wracks. Anyway, if i would buy any, it would be for converting some haemonculi. At least, for the first time, GW are selling 5 HQ for 30 U$

About all this new wave, the plastics are good and sweet at all, but the "finecost", is ugly and dumb (except the said wracks, who give great wracks). The Grotesque is wrong, and Haemonculi is darn bad. Thank you GW, you saved me some bucks as now i will not feel compeled to make an haemunculus cult army, at least not with your models...

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Red Boy - it makes you go fasta

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Red Boy - it makes you go fasta

Right on!

@The Fragile Breath: What it refer to?

@Warboss Gutrip: Nice!

@ The Dark Wolf- I think I might get the old haemonculi (they're on GW's HQ page for DE) instead of the new ones... old ones have a bit of charm to them. Since I'll be using some of the wracks as, well, wracks I can't use them for haemonculi conversions...

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Hm, i as jus thinking about it, and realized...

I dont hate the new Wrack models. They are nice, cool indeed (even being "finecost"), my problem with them is: they dont look like wracks.

When you talk about wracks i remember the word "wreck", and them, visualize a living mindless weapon, made by some haemonculus with the first "spare parts" (read slaves) he have around. Its not to diferent from a empirean tech-servitor, only with better finesse and biotechnology.

So, when i imagine wracks, they are not like those posing vilains with daring weapons, they are like weak minions, zombie-alike. Those models are not bad, but dont look like wracks.

I think the issue is how you imagine Wracks being isn't how they are described in the fluff, they do look like they should. Compare the models with the pictures in the codex, they are amost spot on. Wraks aren't meant to be weak, they are masterpieces of the haemonculi's fethed up art and designed to be incredibly resiliant killing machines. Just because they are smaller than Grotesque's or a Talos/Cronus doesn't mean the haemonculi make them weak and disposable, what would be the point in their extensive body modification if they werent going to make the end product any stronger than what you started with?

That said, I don't see why one would be stood posing with a he rifle like the one pictured does though .

What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

They suffer from the same disease as benjamin button

MagickalMemories wrote:What I don't get is that, IIRC the codex fluff, the Wracks aspire to be Haemonculi eventually.
Yet the Haemonculi are smaller than the wracks?

"I'll be a Haemonculus one day, after I grow... down..."

Eric

It doesn't exactly say that. It says that they're mostly volunteers giving up their boring (by DE standards) lives to get crazily modified and mutated as a way of staving off boredom and leaving their old lives behind. Some of them may wish to one day be a Coven lord themselves and they're willing to undergo anything to do so.

It's not like Haemonculi are physically perfect specimens, after all. Maybe when you stop pumping them full of the growth hormones and crazy science formulas, a wrack pretty much looks like a Haemi.

I think the point is that the Wracks are so tragically sycophantic that they'll do anything to become a Haemonculus' pupil or even a Haemonculus himself one day. Of course they are nothing more than guinea pigs to the Haemoncului.

Foo wrote:Some of them may wish to one day be a Coven lord themselves and they're willing to undergo anything to do so.

Including, apparently, shrinking. LOL


Eric

Lord Scythican wrote:

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I had this thing where I was going to make some Ork Terrain that was Pepsi Vending Machines etc. I guess I might as well do this as well.

Anyone want to help me with some names?

Orka Cola
Diet Ork
Mr. Squigg
Code Red Ork
Mt. Waaagh
Dr. Painboy
Red Boy

Red Boy - it makes you go fasta

Right on!

@The Fragile Breath: What it refer to?

@Warboss Gutrip: Nice!

Egg nog! It's the name I came up with for my buddy who has Christmas themed Orks,

yeah,
dudes can we keep the soda puns out of the dark eldar thread? start a new thread if needs be.

I come here to read about DE.

Panic...

I walked into a store I don't usually go to, and they had the Scourges/Venoms/Talos for sale today . So I picked up a box of Scourges... they're awesome, although I will probably end up getting 2 boxes and equipping the units different from one another, since it looks like there's only one of each special weapon in the box.

That, or scrounge them from other kits... they did go a little sparingly on the special weapons in these sprues though, it seems!

Yeah, quite annoying. A squad of 5 can have 2 weapons, but they only come with one of each? Mean.

if you buy a Talos/Chronos it comes with 2 heat lances, 2 splinter cannons, 2 haywire blaster, 2 liquifier, a stinger pod and all the other awesome bits that make up the talos./chrosos, as well a some cool arms for hamster conversions.

Foo wrote:Yeah, quite annoying. A squad of 5 can have 2 weapons, but they only come with one of each? Mean.

Mean? Surely you intended to say "typical." What would you expect from a company that replaced its metal line with a product that MELTS IN DAYLIGHT: http://thefrontlinegamer.blogspot.com/2011/06/dont-leave-finecast-in-sun.html

But no true gaming nerd ever sees daylight, right

It's a little aggrevating, but there are plently of bitz order places on the net, or trade with other gamers in the area..

Mephistoles1 wrote:if you buy a Talos/Chronos it comes with 2 heat lances, 2 splinter cannons, 2 haywire blaster, 2 liquifier, a stinger pod and all the other awesome bits that make up the talos./chrosos, as well a some cool arms for hamster conversions.

The Talos' cannon bits are twin-linked pods, though, and can't be used by regular humanoid units without extensive conversion.

Its strange, why GW dont placed a pic of scourges sprues in their site?

After someone telling me it comes with only one of each SW, i know...

Other thing, how many shardcarbines come? 4?

I just checked: there's 5 of them I believe, 4 on one sprue, 1 on the other.

The Dwarf Wolf wrote:Its strange, why GW dont placed a pic of scourges sprues in their site?

...there are sprue pics of the scourges. On the US site there are anyway.

EDIT: Speaking of which, I bought the scourges today. They're awesome. Venom's pretty cool too, even though my plastic canopies were scratched up.