Erasoketa wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

Even more enraging: Only 1 of each non-shardcarbine option!

Both suck a lot. At least they are good looking, not too expensive, and sprues have 5 carbines.

Not like I wasn't buying 4 boxes to begin with, just sucks that(barring trades and bit sites) you NEED to buy 4 to get some of the options.

Exergy wrote:

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.

Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

you realize some of us DE players started at the beginning of 3rd edition and didnt get any models or even a codex update for 12 years right. Totally forgotten.

Actually we did get a small update so to speak...started in the WD (can't remember the issue but got it somewhere) and then went into the codex. Wasn't anything special just wargear and vechile upgrades.

Void_walker wrote:

Exergy wrote:

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.

Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

you realize some of us DE players started at the beginning of 3rd edition and didnt get any models or even a codex update for 12 years right. Totally forgotten.

Actually we did get a small update so to speak...started in the WD (can't remember the issue but got it somewhere) and then went into the codex. Wasn't anything special just wargear and vechile upgrades.

Also Archonites and Draconites(aka, a way to do Wych Cults without a SC).

Zweischneid wrote:Razorwing at Warseer

OH MY----- Better than I could have ever wished for. Beautiful. Simply amazing. I can see now how they'd fit both into the same kit, and frankly, that sounds great.

Although for a bomber, I would expect wider wings....


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Buzzsaw wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

Even more enraging: Only 1 of each non-shardcarbine option!

The sprue pics in question;





Yup, looks like feathers will have to trade...

Interesting, I count 8 different heads, 5 torsos (looks like 2 female), and, IMO, the most amazing agonizer so far...

Edit: Nope! I missed one, 9 heads it seems.

...Hmm. I have mixed feelings about the sprues. There's a little TOO many options for a solarite (which basically no one would ever use, what with them being gun-totes), and not enough gunz... But on the other hand, the solarite pieces are absolutely gorgeous I can't resist them.... That agoniser, that razorflail, that spear...oh my god.... So great.

GW has infinitely surprised me. Maybe because the DE team is so great, or maybe because GW is so great. Regardless, it's really nice to see such great models.

Just Dave wrote:Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

The same reason DE players wanted new scourges, a new Talos, and a razorwing, ect. The models are either FW only or heavily outdated.

TWC: No Model
Fenris Wolves: Warhammer Models from around same time period as 40K 2nd Edition on retangular bases
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW
Ulrich: 2nd Edition
Ragnar: 2nd Edition
Rune Priest (Standard): 3rd Edition
Iron Priest: 2nd Edition
Wolf Priest (Standard): No model

There is no rumored date or even a season rumored for the TWC; just that they won't come out as a FW release as GW will eventually make them in Plastic.

wyomingfox wrote:
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW

Or plastic. It's what everyone in my area did for their Bjorns(and I do mean EVERYONE).

I haven't had any interest in dark eldar until I saw that pain engine. Now I think I'll look at their codex.

wyomingfox wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

The same reason DE players wanted new scourges, a new Talos, and a razorwing, ect. The models are either FW only or heavily outdated.

TWC: No Model
Fenris Wolves: Warhammer Models from around same time period as 40K 2nd Edition on retangular bases
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW
Ulrich: 2nd Edition
Ragnar: 2nd Edition
Rune Priest (Standard): 3rd Edition
Iron Priest: 2nd Edition
Wolf Priest (Standard): No model

There is no rumored date or even a season rumored for the TWC; just that they won't come out as a FW release as GW will eventually make them in Plastic.

Uh, actually:
"This fall" is a rumored date/season and from FW in regards to it.
So yeah. there's that.

wyomingfox wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

The same reason DE players wanted new scourges, a new Talos, and a razorwing, ect. The models are either FW only or heavily outdated.

TWC: No Model
Fenris Wolves: Warhammer Models from around same time period as 40K 2nd Edition on retangular bases
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW
Ulrich: 2nd Edition
Ragnar: 2nd Edition
Rune Priest (Standard): 3rd Edition
Iron Priest: 2nd Edition
Wolf Priest (Standard): No model

There is no rumored date or even a season rumored for the TWC; just that they won't come out as a FW release as GW will eventually make them in Plastic.

Without drying to drag it off topic:

There are several viable venerable dreadnought kits and several viable fenrisian wolf kits. I agree, some of the characters/blisters are lacking, but there's still plenty of other options; the Rune Priest still looks good, there are a multitude of chaplain and techmarine models existing and Ragnar, Wolf Priests, Rune Priests can all be easily made using the basic Wolf pack box. Whether they need a wave for blisters is debatable but I'm gonna leave this there as it's off topic...

New "What's new" is up with Jes talking about the new Talos/Cronos models (including concept sketches and a 3D rotating Talos pic):
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400036a&utm_source=VoxCaster&utm_medium=twitter&utm_term=new-blog&utm_content=new-blog&utm_campaign=VoxCaster-New-Blog-Posts

Did anyone else get the impression Jes was suggesting converting Grotesques' out of the Talos/Chronos? The bit where he mentioned you could add legs got me thinking.

Did anyone else get the impression Jes was suggesting converting Grotesques' out of the Talos/Chronos? The bit where he mentioned you could add legs got me thinking.

Looking at the Chronos it occurred to me without anyone suggesting it, but that would be one *bleeping* expensive way of doing Grotesques, wouldn't it? On a positive note, it would make an Ogryn squad at $22.25/model seem cheap by comparison.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Did anyone else get the impression Jes was suggesting converting Grotesques' out of the Talos/Chronos? The bit where he mentioned you could add legs got me thinking.

Looking at the Chronos it occurred to me without anyone suggesting it, but that would be one *bleeping* expensive way of doing Grotesques, wouldn't it? On a positive note, it would make an Ogryn squad at $22.25/model seem cheap by comparison.

So true but I'd love to see what conversions people would come up with.

Lonecoon wrote:I haven't had any interest in dark eldar until I saw that pain engine. Now I think I'll look at their codex.

Dark Eldar. You'll start for the asthetics. You'll stay for the Pain Tokens.

Eric

Those Scourges looks amazing!

The Venom with passenger models and flag looks silly. If I field them, I would just leave the gunner.

Personally, I may have read too much into - "in the end we went for two racks curving over the back...a feature occurring on other Coven models"

What would they be then Jes?

Void_walker wrote:

Exergy wrote:

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.

Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

you realize some of us DE players started at the beginning of 3rd edition and didnt get any models or even a codex update for 12 years right. Totally forgotten.

Actually we did get a small update so to speak...started in the WD (can't remember the issue but got it somewhere) and then went into the codex. Wasn't anything special just wargear and vechile upgrades.

是的
only because our 3rd edition codex didnt have any vehicle upgrades at all!

I remember my local GW giving me their DE warriors from the showcase
Then I moved and started going to another store. One day I found all the DE boxes and codex had been removed from the shelves. I thought my army was going to become squats mk2

Anyone have any idea about Razorwing dimensions?
I see people write that its smaller then Stormraven\Valk, and really really hope that i can pack at least two of them to one Pack 720 tray

In the article, what kit are they talking about using for the legs?

Phil's infamous 'Drill-legged Shriveners'

penek wrote:Anyone have any idea about Razorwing dimensions?
I see people write that its smaller then Stormraven\Valk, and really really hope that i can pack at least two of them to one Pack 720 tray

at least it can come in from researve and fire all its weapons. Well unless its banebladesize

Gorlak wrote:Personally, I may have read too much into - "in the end we went for two racks curving over the back...a feature occurring on other Coven models"

What would they be then Jes?

This caught my eye as well, seeing as how there isn't any right now.

Damn..that is going to be an expensive month, all of the new DE stuff rocks!

Are they going to release Wrack models? Grotesque models? New Haemonculi?

Nvs wrote:In the article, what kit are they talking about using for the legs?

Phil's infamous 'Drill-legged Shriveners'

I was wondering this myself.

Yes, but not yet

I'm hanging on a thin thread for those too

Are they going to release Wrack models? Grotesque models? New Haemonculi?

This Dark Eldar release for June is being promoted as "Murderous Skies" and neither of those things fly, skim, jump-pack move or hover like the new models listed for Advance Order, so the question might answer itself.

Griever wrote:

Gorlak wrote:Personally, I may have read too much into - "in the end we went for two racks curving over the back...a feature occurring on other Coven models"

What would they be then Jes?

This caught my eye as well, seeing as how there isn't any right now.

Feck me, Jes does more advertising than the rest of GW put together.

Oh man must resist urge to blow money I don't have on the Dark Eldar, I love most of the models, especially the Scourges, and those Razorwings.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Are they going to release Wrack models? Grotesque models? New Haemonculi?

This Dark Eldar release for June is being promoted as "Murderous Skies" and neither of those things fly, skim, jump-pack move or hover like the new models listed for Advance Order, so the question might answer itself.

Also those will probably be metal models, and will probably not appear until after the metal/resin conversion is all shaken out and working.

The DE flyers are looking great.

Brother SRM wrote:Source? You're stating this as a fact and I'd like some evidence.

Ya, I could not give you any concrete evidence that they do not sell well. Still believe it is not selling as good as it previously was (in 4th).

GW! TAKE MY MOENY!

I love that fighter. If the bomber looks as good, I will be golden.

My pre-orders are in and offering a quick plug for www.miniaturemarket.com, where I got 25% off the order. A bunch of Scourges and Talos (Taloi? Chroni? whatever) headed my way, plus a token Venom (already converted six). BTW, their pre-order list had the Razorwing as shipping on 6/18 to the surprise of no one. Awesome stuff.

Leggy wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:Valkyrie prized, not £25.50.

HerrDusty on Warseer wrote:It'll actually be cheaper than the Valkyrie, it'll be £25.50, I read my local GW's product brief, I was very pleasantly suprised.

*Shrugs* Rumours are rumours.

Didn't see the other rumour at first.
But £25.50 could be true.
The Razorwing is only two sprues, one of them the one piece upper hull, the other the details and maybe smaller lower hull. So it's a rather simple kit and looks smaller than a Valkyrie.

Awesome you can pre-order from miniature market and get twenty five percent off. I just finished pre-ordering myself.

wyomingfox wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

The same reason DE players wanted new scourges, a new Talos, and a razorwing, ect. The models are either FW only or heavily outdated.

TWC: No Model
Fenris Wolves: Warhammer Models from around same time period as 40K 2nd Edition on retangular bases
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW
Ulrich: 2nd Edition
Ragnar: 2nd Edition
Rune Priest (Standard): 3rd Edition
Iron Priest: 2nd Edition
Wolf Priest (Standard): No model

There is no rumored date or even a season rumored for the TWC; just that they won't come out as a FW release as GW will eventually make them in Plastic.

Not that anyone takes an Iron Priest...

However, the remainder (aside from TWC) can be kitbashed...

wyomingfox wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

The same reason DE players wanted new scourges, a new Talos, and a razorwing, ect. The models are either FW only or heavily outdated.

TWC: No Model
Fenris Wolves: Warhammer Models from around same time period as 40K 2nd Edition on retangular bases
Bjorn/Venerable: 2nd Edition or FW
Ulrich: 2nd Edition
Ragnar: 2nd Edition
Rune Priest (Standard): 3rd Edition
Iron Priest: 2nd Edition
Wolf Priest (Standard): No model

There is no rumored date or even a season rumored for the TWC; just that they won't come out as a FW release as GW will eventually make them in Plastic.

Its not like space wolves are not marines. There are plenty of new vehicles and sprues for marines to use all the time. You want to tell me its easy to convert CWE stuff into DE stuff?

To: Games.Workshop@gamesworkshop.com
From: Privateer.Press@privateerpress.com
Subject: RE Talos

The Cryx are a little miffed, they'd like their Warjack back. Thanks

I could not be more pleased with this release!

Though, when are the razorwings supposed to hit?

dunno if this has been said or not, but I just heard that the black box arrived at a nearby FLGS. Wish it was close enough for me to head on over to actualy take a look at the kits, but o wells

Foo wrote:

Nvs wrote:In the article, what kit are they talking about using for the legs?

Phil's infamous 'Drill-legged Shriveners'

I was wondering this myself.

In the page for the Talos in the codex it quotes 'From the clanking chainghoul favoured by the Prophets of Flesh to the drill - legged Shriveners guarding the Everspiral.' I don't know whether this was simply Phil's idea or there would be an upcoming kit for it (probably not likely)... Maybe it could be a conversion that will be featured in What's New Today?

why is everyone so convinced that wracks will be in metal/resin? in my opinion, everything about them screams plastic. same with grotesques. they would all be perfect for multi part plastic kits with tons of bits so that no two have to be exactly the same. I will be quite disapointed if they end up as metal.

I will take 5 Talos for my Deamons/CSM army...mmmh scorpion looking Dreads and new bits for my Blood Slaugtherers conversions!!!

Razorwing looks fantastic!

Scourges are awesome. I definitely remember calling out bat wings as an option before this. Wish I could find where I said it to prove once and for all that I am a psyker.

Venom is as expected.

Talos/Cronos is amazing. I haven't even considered doing a coven themed army until I saw this. Now I really want to see wracks and grots. But they wont be in the next release? Hopefully we will see some new haemys because the old ones are bleh.

The Talos... I want it. Is such an amazing looking model...

yeah,

Slayer le boucher wrote:I will take 5 Talos for my Deamons/CSM army...mmmh scorpion looking Dreads and new bits for my Blood Slaugtherers conversions!!!

I'm also looking at the kit as a awesome source for blight drones.
I have 3 FW drones (Half Finished) but they all look the same, I want 7 and these are perfect conversion fodder to adjust the first three and make the final four... Perfect.

Oh the hobby bug has bitten hard!
Must get some painting done this weekend! so that I deserve these!

Panic...

edit added compare shots of pain engine and drone...

The Razorwing is a bit bigger than a Falcon Grav Tank, so not as big as a Valkyrie by any means, and a bit smaller than a Storm Raven, but not really by that much to be honest.

Certainly £25.50 doesn't sound a million miles away from the right price.

Tyras wrote:To: Games.Workshop@gamesworkshop.com
From: Privateer.Press@privateerpress.com
Subject: RE Talos

The Cryx are a little miffed, they'd like their Warjack back. Thanks

To: Privateer Press
From: Jes Goodwin

Got your note about the Cryx. Tell them that, as they borrowed virtually every design feature from my earlier work, I'm not too bothered if they think the Talos looks a little like one of their Warjacks.

love, Jes

P.S. Isn't it about time you guys moved beyond 2nd Edition WH40k? Check out my new Dark Eldar - they're quite nice, and they're made out of real plastic.

yeah,

Tailgunner wrote:...love, Jes
P.S. Isn't it about time you guys moved beyond 2nd Edition WH40k? Check out my new Dark Eldar - they're quite nice, and they're made out of real plastic.

^this...
...is why we need a like button on dakka!

Panic...

Seconded.

StraightSilver wrote:The Razorwing is a bit bigger than a Falcon Grav Tank, so not as big as a Valkyrie by any means, and a bit smaller than a Storm Raven, but not really by that much to be honest.

Certainly £25.50 doesn't sound a million miles away from the right price.

Maelstrom games takes £22.95 for it, and also says that the common retail price is £25.50, so that seems right.

OnDebit wrote:why is everyone so convinced that wracks will be in metal/resin? in my opinion, everything about them screams plastic. same with grotesques. they would all be perfect for multi part plastic kits with tons of bits so that no two have to be exactly the same. I will be quite disapointed if they end up as metal.

While I'd prefer plastic, myself, and think they'd be more appropriate as a plastic kit, *ever* "trusted" rumor that's come out about them has said they'd be metal.
With the current "all metal going to resin" rumor, the previous Wrack rumor has altered to include resin.

Eric

Tyras wrote:To: Games.Workshop@gamesworkshop.com
From: Privateer.Press@privateerpress.com

Don't quit your day job.

So is the Razorwing in the black box? What is the release date and price of it?

I didn't order any Razorwing Jetfighters, but it was listed as MSRP $41.25 USD ($30.95 after 75% off) on the preorder list from which I made my Scourge/Talos order. Shipping 6/18. That is pretty much exactly 25.50 GBP. So, take that as confirmation if you will.

BladeWalker wrote:So is the Razorwing in the black box? What is the release date and price of it?

Black Box features Venom, Talos/Cronos and Scourges.
Razorwing price indeed £25.50/$49.50 USD/32.50€, release date 18th June.
peterjameslewis711 over at Warseer suggested that the bomber is twice the size of the Razorwing.

Ouch! just saw the RW. Very very nice.

Kroothawk wrote:
Razorwing price indeed £25.50/$49.50 USD/32.50€, release date 18th June.
peterjameslewis711 over at Warseer suggested that the bomber is twice the size of the Razorwing.

Can that be right? I had assumed from the description in the codex that the Voidraven is essentially a bomber version of the Razorwing. I can't see GW doing separate kits for these models. Are we sure that the Razorwing and Voidraven won't be the same kit?

Venoms look sweet.

If anybody has just read Jes's design story of the talos on GW website he mentions that there will be a coven unit for DE.

baron deathnyx wrote:If anybody has just read Jes's design story of the talos on GW website he mentions that there will be a coven unit for DE.

Can't find that text ATM, but coven unit just means a unit for Haemunculi covens that means Grotesques or Wracks.

Soo Kroothawk, I'm a little confused. You are saying that there will be no wracks or grotesques for the second release? But what does that leave us? Just the Haemonculi for later June? Or are the fighter/bomber supposed to be apart of the second release?

June 18th eh..? Soon..soon..

I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting.

Here the retailer newsletter that BolS posted on scribd (with 3 better pics of the Razorwing and all official prices):
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55396104?access_key=key-1hmlw8mdvfbdz4593q8t

On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

Those pictures make me want to buy the razorwing even more... Oh look, there's the bandwagon. Hey! Wait for me!

Well, there goes the theory - as nice as it was - about the Razorwing also being a kit for CW Eldar...

I expected the Razorwing to be the same price as the Valkyrie/Stormraven, but according to that link it's "only" 32,50

Last page of that retailer newsletter: "Show customers how to add warriors of the Haemonculus Covens to their Dark Eldar armies." - Perhaps this DOES mean more Coven troops to come?? I wouldn't expect a note like that for just the Talos/Chronos...


Unless they count Scourges as "Coven" because the Haemys have to make them? Even then...I dunno.

DraconicGuardian wrote:Last page of that retailer newsletter: "Show customers how to add warriors of the Haemonculus Covens to their Dark Eldar armies." - Perhaps this DOES mean more Coven troops to come?? I wouldn't expect a note like that for just the Talos/Chronos...


Unless they count Scourges as "Coven" because the Haemys have to make them? Even then...I dunno.

I dont think we can read too much into that... Personally I think they're trying to show people how to justify units that have been haemy raped (scourges, talos etc as you say) into a Kabalite or Wych Army where Haemy units may not be considered as being "in theme" to the gamer.

There'll be more concrete rumours / images / What New Today hints and posts when the Wracks etc are coming out as that will be a MASSIVE release with a huge amount of gamer anticipation, with it being the 3rd and final aspect to the race. I dont think we'll see them yet, maybe August if the rumoured resin delay comes true. I guess we'll see more character releases around this time too, there must be a Vect due, I'm sure of it.

Note that this is entirely speculation on my point, I have nothing to back any of this up, its just guess work.

Just Dave wrote:Well, there goes the theory - as nice as it was - about the Razorwing also being a kit for CW Eldar...

Guess we have to change that rumour as with the jetbike:
Designed together on the computer with only minor differences, but released years apart just because they can.

TBD wrote:I expected the Razorwing to be the same price as the Valkyrie/Stormraven, but according to that link it's "only" 32,50

I really don't think it'll be only $32.50. That's just..too cheap.

Anyone else see a skaven abom here?

Kroothawk wrote:
On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger. The chrystal pod could easily consist of a few optional parts - a relatively simply way of differentiating the 2 types (apart from the missiles, of course). I think it's very unlikely that GW have gone to the expense of producing 2 entirely different large aircraft kits for the DE. Still, the fact that the Razorwing kit doesn't include any such parts would suggest that either they have done 2 different kits, or that they are going to stick some extra parts in the Voidraven kit and charge more for it (as they've done with the Ravager).

Tailgunner wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:
On the Voidraven: The fluff text explicitly says it is larger, similar in design but with a crystal pod at the front housing the gunner on a jetbike-style saddle.

The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger. The chrystal pod could easily consist of a few optional parts - a relatively simply way of differentiating the 2 types (apart from the missiles, of course). I think it's very unlikely that GW have gone to the expense of producing 2 entirely different large aircraft kits for the DE. Still, the fact that the Razorwing kit doesn't include any such parts would suggest that either they have done 2 different kits, or that they are going to stick some extra parts in the Voidraven kit and charge more for it (as they've done with the Ravager).

Or there could be a Voidraven upgrade kit like the BW kit with the deff rolla.

+1 to Tailgunner. The fluff text mentions nothing about the Voidraven being a larger aircraft. It says it shares many similarities in design and carries a far larger payload. That doesn't mean that it's not a far larger aircraft, but it certainly doesn't mean that it is either. Until a kit comes out for the Voidraven, I'll be using Razorwings with appropriate weapondry for my Voidravens.

Kroothawk wrote:I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting

Scarab Prince? Now my Archon is going to need another title...

InventionThirteen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote:I wait for the Monday newsletter to clear some stuff up.

But it seems that there are no Wracks, Grotesques, Haemunculi and Archon retinue in June, all saved for a third wave.
The Tomb King metals planned for next weeks release (Necrotect, scarab prince and archer Ushabti as revealed in the army book) are also waiting

Scarab Prince? Now my Archon is going to need another title...

Lord of the Dark...things..

Gloommeister

Looks @ price of Razorwing Kit....

Yup, I'll take three.

Is it just me or ar ethe Dark Eldar models generally coming in at fairly reasonable prices. for GW?

Maybe they've realized that you can only jack the prices for so long, and are easing off a bit. Unlikely , but i'll take what hope i can get

(please do not devolve into GW Hate thread)

Tailgunner wrote:The codex entry says that it carries a far larger payload. I can't find any reference to the aircraft itself being bigger.

Codex Dark Eldar wrote:... it carries a far larger and more deadly payload than its smaller cousin.

Ascalam wrote:Is it just me or ar ethe Dark Eldar models generally coming in at fairly reasonable prices. for GW?

Maybe they've realized that you can only jack the prices for so long, and are easing off a bit. Unlikely , but i'll take what hope i can get

(please do not devolve into GW Hate thread)

Beast packs.....

The metals are not cheap. The incubi and mandrakes add up too.

It may be that DE are such a model intensive army. You need a ton of vehicles, nothing can walk.

The plastics do seem to be a good price though. wyches and warriors are $2.50 each while hellions and scourges are $5 each. Really nice.

It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

Ascalam wrote:It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

Maybe GW is on the mend....

The razorwing doesnt cost $32.50
It is 32.50 EUROS so the kit will be about $45

Although I do agree that most of the dark eldar stuff is pretty reasonable

I figured it was in euro's or Pounds. Still $45 isn't that bad, I was assuming $60.

45 USD is cheaper than a Ravager, which makes the Razorwing quite tempting indeed...

$45 USD is cheaper than the Valkyrie.

This makes me sad.

Ascalam wrote:It was the plastics i was referring to, mostly Should have been clearer.

That said even the metals aren't too grusesome. The Donorian Clawed Fiend has about as much bulk to it as a pyrovore , and i'm pretty sure it was a fair stack cheaper. Love that model, though i know some hate it

The Razorwing Fighter is another good example, for me. It's not huge, but they could have easily asker $50 + dollars for it and still sold plenty. The voidraven will likely be around the Land Raider pricepoint though, so i'll expect the wallet to wince on those

3 ork bikers- 41.25 (with few options for spare limbs/weapons)

3 Dark Eldar Reavers- 34.75 for more options

They're still going to cost me a small fortune to collect up, but the prices don't make me wince as much as some models do.

I've noted this before, but my thought is that GW felt a lot of pressure, since they must have invested major resources in redesigning literally the entire DE line, so they may have priced the kits aggressively, rather then face the possibility of the release not going over well. Remember, the DE line had, until the new release, been very old and very rare to be played.

There is definitely a price structure at work that is more reasonable then other lines, comparing plastic to plastic to plastic;

Warriors and Wyches are both $24.75 for 10; this compares very favorably to either Eldar Guardians or Dire Avengers at $33.00 for 10. This means there is a full 25% discount built in to the price of the unit. The DE Scourges at $25 are among the cheapest jump infantry in the game, and I don't think there is any question that they are heads and shoulders above any other models in their category in terms of quality.

What makes this so strange is, if I'm right and they "priced DE to move", it would mean that they are, at least on some level, aware that price matters... A notion that seems at odds, shall we say, with their standard operating procedure.

The Razorwing is pretty reasonable for its price. Nowhere as large and bulky as Valkyrie.

Kroothawk wrote:
... it carries a far larger and more deadly payload than its smaller cousin.

*sigh* I guess it's time to get my glasses checked.

I'm still betting it's the same basic kit, only with a different nose. But the question is wide open. A look at the Razorwing sprues might indicate whether this is right.

Buzzsaw wrote:Warriors and Wyches are both $24.75 for 10; this compares very favorably to either Eldar Guardians or Dire Avengers at $33.00 for 10. This means there is a full 25% discount built in to the price of the unit. The DE Scourges at $25 are among the cheapest jump infantry in the game, and I don't think there is any question that they are heads and shoulders above any other models in their category in terms of quality.

I thought the Guardians also had a heavy weapon platform in their box, too.

Breotan wrote:

Buzzsaw wrote:Warriors and Wyches are both $24.75 for 10; this compares very favorably to either Eldar Guardians or Dire Avengers at $33.00 for 10. This means there is a full 25% discount built in to the price of the unit. The DE Scourges at $25 are among the cheapest jump infantry in the game, and I don't think there is any question that they are heads and shoulders above any other models in their category in terms of quality.

I thought the Guardians also had a heavy weapon platform in their box, too.

Yep they do. with a heavy weapon frame as well

Wow, those new models are great, kinda hard to not add them to the list of "to-do" projects. I looked at the razorwing, and while it's great, I think the front canopy is very bomberish, but the fighter should have the canopy a bit further back, make it look a bit more sleek.
I made this quickie overpaint to show what I mean...



Back to staring at my nids...
Cheers

yeah,
nice.
panic...

Eldar flyers always have the advantage of low part count but with one large part: The hull. Has been that way with Forge World Eldar flyers as well. So when they managed to make those large sprues economically, they made these cheap kits possible (in UK same price as Eldar Falcon).

The craftworld fighter (Nightwing) has separate movable wings, which would have made this kit much more expensive while making all those bombs/weapon systems difficult to attach. So with fixed wings GW avoided both problems (my deduction).

And there have been rumours for a while that Razorwing and Voidraven get separate kits, and they had some trouble with the prototype being a bit thin on wings (fraglie?, bendy?), as can be expected with such a large single part to be cast.

jutami wrote:Wow, those new models are great, kinda hard to not add them to the list of "to-do" projects. I looked at the razorwing, and while it's great, I think the front canopy is very bomberish, but the fighter should have the canopy a bit further back, make it look a bit more sleek.
I made this quickie overpaint to show what I mean...
Cheers

I like what you did. Especially the way you added some air intakes that look not unlike teeth...however, it ends up being quite high, which for some reason makes it look more like a 'straight' Eldar aircraft.

Interesting there are two cockpit positions in that Razorwing pic. I guess there's some sort of nose-missile upgrade? (No Codex here.) Not sure which look I prefer.

Magos Explorator wrote:Interesting there are two cockpit positions in that Razorwing pic. I guess there's some sort of nose-missile upgrade? (No Codex here.) Not sure which look I prefer.

The closer Razorwing was someone's effort in photoshop or whatever, the further back one is the original, if you look to earlier in the thread then they have the same position.

Despite the admirable effort and possibly greater realism however, I do prefer the GW version.

Oops, mea culpa. I had been skimming back through to find the picture, and so did not read the text above the post.

I'd expect the bomber to have broader wings and a more stout shape. I'd like to see what they do about the awesome sounding jet-bike canopy idea and the gunner they describe in the codex.

The wings on the scourges look like the ones from the tyranid gargoyles, I really like the new models

Is it fair to say, after seeing these second wave pics, that the DE range is the best produced range by GW to date? Everything in it works.

Happygrunt wrote:Is it fair to say, after seeing these second wave pics, that the DE range is the best produced range by GW to date? Everything in it works.

GW's definitely the front runner when it comes to the actual miniatures, but this new Dark Eldar range... it's approaching an almost artistic level.

Someone copied the new Razorwing pic:

It looks FirePrism sized from that pic.

Does it have a release date yet?

This only strengthens the reason for me to finish my DE army and actually play 40k. I'm quite pleased with the Razorwing....pleased indeed.

Kroothawk wrote:

It looks quite a bit better from that angle. I have zero interest in the Dark Eldar, but these models are nearly changing that. Hopefully GW can continue this level of quality with the next xenos army.

ShatteredBlade wrote:Does it have a release date yet?

18th of June.
http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=pro&pre=gwk_40k_del_hsp_301_000

Is there a comparison pic how big the Chronos Parasite engine is next to another 40k model? I really want to use one in my chaos army, but I'm not sure as what.

If I were to take a guess I'd say it's not much bigger than dreadnought-sized with the tail and everything.

Harry on the Wracks release:

ghost21 wrote:from what i have seen it wont be for a long while at least not this side of christmas

I hate to disagree with a fellow purveyor of fine rumour but ....
I'm gonna!
(...)
They are coming.
There is a reason we have not heard much about them.
All will become clear.
Try not to panic ... you are upsetting the women folk.

Thats nice and vague, we all knew they'd be coming at some point The part about them being out before christmas would tie up with the interviews with Jes way back then the 1st wave was released.

I assume the "There is a reason we have not heard much about them" part is linked to the whole metal -> resin change over?

great more vague nothingness. Ahh well, at least will have plenty on my plate with this new stuff coming out next month.

jutami wrote:Wow, those new models are great, kinda hard to not add them to the list of "to-do" projects. I looked at the razorwing, and while it's great, I think the front canopy is very bomberish, but the fighter should have the canopy a bit further back, make it look a bit more sleek.
I made this quickie overpaint to show what I mean...

Cheers

First, nice photoshop. I wish i was half as good.

But as to the front canopy. It is actually more likely that the canopy and the pilot being places far forward in a fighter. Because the engines are in the rear the weight of the pilot and his avionics needs to be put far forward to counteract them or the plane would pitch out of control.
For a bomber the engines are smaller, the pilot+bombidier+avionics heavier and thus they do not need to be put as far forward.

That Talos has to be GW's best model to date. Razorwing is pretty awesome as well.

I forsee that June will be a busy painting month.

Just need Wracks, and I will be all set.

Not read much of the thread but has anyone seen the pictures of haemonculi?

http://eldaraddict.blogspot.com/

original source was warseer I think it says but worth a look though the picture is not of good quality there.

though the picture is not of good quality there.

That would be a huge understatement.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Is there a comparison pic how big the Chronos Parasite engine is next to another 40k model? I really want to use one in my chaos army, but I'm not sure as what.

Its quite big.

Do you have a AOBR deffkopter? Its about 1.3 time longer and 1.1 times taller.

Its a really good model and had the please of assembling it at my local GW shop

Its one of the best kits ever, Everything fits perfectly and hardly any mold lines.

So about Carifex sized? Maybe a smidge smaller..

That fits with how i visualized it

What Base size do you think the Razorwing uses?

it doesn't look like the Oval one...

Mar wrote:Not read much of the thread but has anyone seen the pictures of haemonculi?

http://eldaraddict.blogspot.com/

original source was warseer I think it says but worth a look though the picture is not of good quality there.

I've just seen this too - glad I saw that you've posted about it, I was about to start a new thread. Shame that the pictures too grainy to make out any of the detail though, it could quite easily be Kheradruakh, the 4 armed "mandrake king" (self coined term, nice though...) with a sword the size of a baneblade.

I think if it was haemi's we'd have more pictures with more options, there'd be more concrete rumours flying about. Plus the green mock ups dont match any part of this mini. The guys on Warseer mention that Urian Rakarth have 4 arms, ergo all other Haemis will too, but that doesnt match the mock ups we've seen and having other haemis that share characteristics (ie 4 arms) with Urien kinda detracts from his individuality and on table presence as an independant character. I'm hoping that it's Kheradruakh, though was equally looking forward to trying my hand at a custom build matching the image in the codex

What Base size do you think the Razorwing uses? it doesn't look like the Oval one...

Yes, it does. It's the same flying stand for all the large fliers. You know if you photograph an oval from certain angles it will look round and if you photograph circles from certain angles they look elliptical.

Indeed it looks like the oval stand to me and regardless the picture to me shows we have not quite seen the end of the Dark Eldar waves and that they are possibly sooner rather then later! Which goes with what I think Harry said about them being much closer then people expect.

Ascalam wrote:So about Carifex sized? Maybe a smidge smaller..

That fits with how i visualized it

Talos REVIEW

slender ... and it have really long arms lol, I didn't realised how long it was untill I built it.

You can have alot of customisation in the kit.

You can't position the arms it is mostly fixed. everything is pretty much fixed but the "hands and claws" have a slight pivot moment

6-7 head/helmet customisation

4-5 different hand/weapon/claw

3-4 tail weapons

They've only announced what comes out the first Saturday in June, they have not yet posted for Advance Order the items that will be released 2 weeks later. Perhaps we'll see the DE flier and more then.

BrassScorpion wrote:They've only announced what comes out the first Saturday in June, they have not yet posted for Advance Order the items that will be released 2 weeks later. Perhaps we'll see the DE flier and more then.

I do hope so this range is looking pretty incredible, with the resin announcements perhaps resin dark eldar wave will follow?

With this new wave, the pics of the Razorwing and such I was living a nerdgasm. Now, with the resin gak I'm living a nerdrage.

I'll better wait to see how the new minis are in resin, that Haemi and the rest of the minis, but for the old minis it's just a bad joke.

Anyone able to copypasta that image over here? Every time I try to visit the site linked above it locks up my browser.

Thanks.

Eric

the razorwing is on page 3 of this thread. unless you mean something else?

MagickalMemories wrote:Anyone able to copypasta that image over here? Every time I try to visit the site linked above it locks up my browser.

Thanks.

Eric

I'm not messing with you. This is the actual picture posted.

Its a terrible picture but its something, I am betting the people begging for necron rumours would love something like this in their thread.

Tell them it's a Necron, then. It's small enough that it could be!

Haha I would so love to do it but I feel guilty and I can understand why they want love!

That picture looks like a person lol, maybe a new HQ choice?

The belief is Haemonculi but it could be anything at that quality!

picture is broken for me.... think its because i cannot visit blogspot...

I wouldn't worry its quite blurry all you can tell is its humanoid and has a dark eldar background to be fair. Just thought it was worth mentioning.

*Watches his bank account explode from the resin prices* nuuu!

The bigfoot pic was taken by DeusExMachina, a member of GW-fanworld (a German GW fan website) allegedly from a poster in the Hamburg GW store. It is the first attached. The second one is a better pic of said Haemunculus (I assume I could be wrong of course).

Be happy those prices do not effect the plastics in this wave!

That thing is tiny, but it looks like it has multiple sets of arms.

Marthike wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:Is there a comparison pic how big the Chronos Parasite engine is next to another 40k model? I really want to use one in my chaos army, but I'm not sure as what.

Its quite big.

Do you have a AOBR deffkopter? Its about 1.3 time longer and 1.1 times taller.

Thanks, Marthike, that actually helps a lot. Now I know I won't add a Defiler front Claw and use it as a Soul Grinder. But they really do sound like nice Plague Drones. Then again, I already have 3 those. Maybe I'll use them as Sentinels in my Chaos Guard army.

My money goes on that small image being the decapitator. His skin appears to be black and the white area at the top, I believe to be his top-knot.

As for the next wave, fingers crossed on the Archon's Court, I know it may not be all that an effective unit but it is sure as hell fluffy.

Okay, might indeed be a new Haemunculus. Here a still tiny but clearer pic taken from the Citadel Finecast Poster (seems to be the official pic included in the blister/box of the model (edit: Okay, seems not to be any clearer):

I'm very interested to see a better shot of the Haemunculus. Hopefully it comes with enough parts to have multiple...

It's really hard to tell what it is, but it could be a new harlequin for an upcomming eldar dex.

Thanks for posting the image, Foo.

That said... not convinced.

Kroothawk wrote:The bigfoot pic was taken by DeusExMachina, a member of GW-fanworld (a German GW fan website) allegedly from a poster in the Hamburg GW store. It is the first attached. The second one is a better pic of said Haemunculus (I assume I could be wrong of course).

This is exactly what I was thinking. Looks like it's got a couple hand swaps & that's about it. Those 2 arms *could* be added on, or it could just be another Harlequin behind it.


Eric


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Kroothawk wrote:Okay, might indeed be a new Haemunculus. Here a still tiny but clearer pic taken from the Citadel Finecast Poster (seems to be the official pic included in the blister/box of the model (edit: Okay, seems not to be any clearer):

Okay. The blown up pic makes it look a bit different after all.

Might I just point out (playfully), though, just how pathetic we all are that we're drooling over and analyzing a 1 inch by 1 inch pic taken from a picture of a picture of a model on a poster hastily shot in some back office somewhere? LOL

Eric

You use what you got mate! and we got jack

Here a better pic of the model, that is ... erm ... not a Harlequin but indeed a Haemunculus (posted again on GW-Fanworld first):

That looks pretty awesome.

Damn it.

I don't like the pose, he looks as if he is saying: SURPRISE!!

Archangel, Liquifier, flesh gauntlet. Wow.

Oh lawdy. That haemonculi is horrendous. He's supposed to have Gnarlskin, not kabalite/wych armour. Why would anyone give him so many weapons, also? Terribad.

honestly, i'm not a big fan...

*shrug*

Mine are going to be converted the hades out of anyway, so it's no skin off my nose that the model isn't too hot. Having the fun weapon arms will be handy though

I don't like that haemon at all. Not one bit. It's extrememly boring. They could've done so much more with it.


Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:I don't like that haemon at all. Not one bit. It's extrememly boring. They could've done so much more with it.


Eric

The Haemonculous looks a bit weak. The proportions are off(especially compared to the plastic DE), and the pose is rather uninspired. One of the few models so far in the DE range that isn't better than the codex artwork. I liked the comment from Eldaraddict describing its weapons: "it could be a super soaker, large dog treat, 'We're number 1' foam finger, and a box of chocolates."

I thought that tiny little pick had extra set of arms. Anyway I think it looks fine. I will reserve full judgement until I see the kit. Anyway its much better than the old one thats for sure.

First thought:

Who let Gary Morley sculpt a Dark Eldar?

GW's what's new today blurb features Mr. Kelly's Dark Eldar army, among the shots is this one which gives a ncie size comparison for the venom.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16500007a

About the Size i'd expected...

Nice looking model there though

But still not Spiky enough >.<

I may just raid a raider Sprue for those Hull Spike and slap them onto the Venom.>

Why do all the Haemis have to fly?

Erasoketa wrote:Why do all the Haemis have to fly?

Because they're ancient, frail and lazy as hell.

They also like their tech and like to show it off.

This is from the GW Whats New Today, Spoken by Phil Kelly

"I've already started to make room for a Razorwing Jetfighter in my force; those things are just too cool, and make for a great centrepiece. Hopefully I'll be back to show off the next batch sooner rather than later!"

I think he means batch of his painted figures.

Kroothawk wrote:Here a better pic of the model, that is ... erm ... not a Harlequin but indeed a Haemunculus (posted again on GW-Fanworld first):

eww that sword looks AWFUL
is that what a liquifier is supposed to look like? I thought they looked more like the old destructor(which did the same thing) long slender and cool.
cant say I am a huge fan


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Ysclyth wrote:I thought that tiny little pick had extra set of arms. Anyway I think it looks fine. I will reserve full judgement until I see the kit. Anyway its much better than the old one thats for sure.

I really like the long slender old one.

The fat female one is terribad

Exergy wrote:
I really like the long slender old one.

The fat female one is terribad

Yeah, thats the one im talking about. I guess the one with with the outstretched gun arm isnt that bad. I still think this new one will be an improvement to both. And considering an army can have up to 6 haemies. Im sure we will get plenty of options for them.

But yeah, that liquifier is a little disapointing. Looks like a toy raygun from the 60's

that haemy looks like fail. compared to the other DE models wich are pure gold eye candy, this looks like it fell off the ugly tree and got beaten with every branch it on the way down. hopefully its not the actual model but a test or conversion of some kind.

Strange responses... Most of you seem to feel toward the new homunculus, the very same way I feel toward Urien Rakarth.
I think the new homunculus looks a damn sight better than Urien. At least he doesn't have a dopey skin-mask and... I could go on and on and on about why I hate the new Urien. If I play with Urien, he'll be converted from this new Homunculus...

I actually really, really like the new Haemunculus. Also, Kelly's army... I want to steal that paint scheme.

I didn't like the look of Haemonculi in the codex and the like. That does not mean they are bad just not to my tastes, these models represent the stuff I have read within the codex and elsewhere which I think is good.

ashikenshin wrote:I don't like the pose, he looks as if he is saying: SURPRISE!!

- SURPRISE!! I'm melting the flesh from your bones!

- SURPRISE!! I'm whipping you with your own spinal cord!

- SURPRISE!! I'm making your organs explode inside your body.

Sounds like a Haemonculi to me.

When I hear SURPRISE I always envisioned happy surprises... till now...

Well the Haemy is the most dissapointing DE model to date, its a real shame. Looks like it's sculpted by the same guy that did the beastmaster, only this time its not easy to convert something else to use in its place

Unless the Wrack models will be a good basis for conversion, it looks like we're stuck with.

Well I imagine the Wracks will be like infantry sized talos/chronos look a likes. That Haemonculi is exactly like the picture in the book for them on their page if you look so I am unsure its the guys fault for making him that way, its almost even the same pose.

I don't really have a problem with the pose, it's similar. The pic in the codex doesn't look like its being crucified though, imo the model does

I just think the quality of the sculpt just isn't up to the same standard as the rest of the range. In same way as the beast master doesn't look as good as the hellions, I don't think the Haemy looks as good as the other HQ's. ymmv

I hope the Haemonculi has loose arms, that would at least lessen the annoyance factor ever so slightly.

I like all of them. They also look like excellent conversion opportunities for a little spice to a regular eldar force. Those venoms would make excellent eldar skimmers, and the scourges look like a nice swooping hawk variant. Me likey.

Price of course me likey less.

Just saw the Chronos Parasite Engine at the local GW. That is tiny. Not much bigger then an Ogre model and it costs 35€. I know I'm late to the party, complaining about GW prices, but it just really surprised me.

Still don't know as what I could use it in my chaos army though. Maybe Sentinels.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Just saw the Chronos Parasite Engine at the local GW. That is tiny. Not much bigger then an Ogre model and it costs 35€. I know I'm late to the party, complaining about GW prices, but it just really surprised me.

Still don't know as what I could use it in my chaos army though. Maybe Sentinels.

We have a thread for complaining about prices if you want to pop over there! Check out the topic on the price increase. LOL.

Good idea for a Chaos use of the kit, Daemonic Sentinels is a fun idea. I can think of lots of good Chaos kit-bash ideas with parts from the kit as well.

While I am not a fan of the whole Haemunculi side of Dark Eldar (don't want fat zombies mixed with elegant Eldar), I actually like the new Haemunculus. I assume that the arms are separate and interchangeable with plastic arms. That would solve the pose problem and the having all arms full of stuff problem. Having all special arms in the blister is necessary, but you can use normal ones as well. That's what I assume of course, but it makes sense.

On the Cronos/Talos kit: The Cronos is considerably smaller than the Talos (-> Scorpion tail), and the kit has two sprues full of bitz, so it is worth some money.

speaking of all the bits in the talos/cronos kit, there are about 6-8 little arms for the side of its body that will be finding thier way onto that new haemunculi model. I think that will fix it to the image I had in my head.

Also the number of bits in the box is great ... want scourges with two heat lances? Talos/cronos comes with 2. Haywire bnlasters? Also 2 in the box. Need extra splinter cannons? yep 2 in the box. Need liquifiers for your HQ? 2 in the box and a bazillion other bits, blades, minit techy arms, chains, etc. I think every DE player will need one of this kit just to get all the fun bits to use on other models. My slaanesh are very happy to have the extra tentacle arms too.

I've seen the new arcticle about the Venom and the Scourges. I love when they talk about the process of creation, and when they show sketches and 360º views.

That Razorwing is the hottest thing that's been on Page 3 for ages...

ShatteredBlade wrote:

TBD wrote:I expected the Razorwing to be the same price as the Valkyrie/Stormraven, but according to that link it's "only" 32,50

I really don't think it'll be only $32.50. That's just..too cheap.

i was in GW last week and one of the employees showed me a little email he had from someone higher up i imagine, there wasnt a relaease dat but there was a price on it.

in GBR it said £22.50 not sure what that is in $ but it seems about right within my limited currency knowledge.

The new haemy looks all good. It has an air of arrogance about it. I can't really say I like the arm poses but I'm pretty sure the kit is intended to be swapped around and edited with wych/kabalite and wrack parts so I wouldn't sweat it.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Just saw the Chronos Parasite Engine at the local GW. That is tiny.

Found a comparison pic on Warseer by Radium:


... and the sprues you get:

Kroothawk wrote:

At this point, it kinda has a "War of the Worlds" feel to it.

Made me think of the squid-robot-things from the Matrix movies. Kind of cool, though.

yeah,
I've preordered two engines for my nurgle army to convert to blight drones... but the more i look at them, the more I think they belong with my hellions.

just so good.

PAnic..

BTW, the article of Jes talking about the Venom and Scourges design, including a 3D-rotating-pic of the Venom, is up:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16500010a

It's really not that small after seeing the pic. It's about the same general size of a dreadnaught. Just looks smaller due to the spindly tentacles and the more streamlined appearance as opposed to being a brick like dreads are.

I imagine the talos looks a bit better as the arms are quite large and the tail adds some size to the model.

Anyone have a real pic of the talos next to something like the above cronos?

Now if you want to talk about small, the venom really was small as the shop near me at least had that assembled to look at. It could maybe hold 3 models including the gunner in the sled. While I like the idea that it's small so it can hide, it really should have been a little larger perhaps.

That's pretty damn cool, I don't like large models as much as small ones and that's just about the size I like. Oh the temptation to buy one or two ...

"Wanna be a lizard this week?"

"Yeah I'll be a lizard!"

looool

I don't know why but that tickled me.

Sidstyler wrote:

"Wanna be a lizard this week?"

"Yeah I'll be a lizard!"

looool

I don't know why but that tickled me.

The rest of it made me giggle also 'I might not turn you back though!' or what ever it was lol

Kroothawk wrote:BTW, the article of Jes talking about the Venom and Scourges design, including a 3D-rotating-pic of the Venom, is up:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16500010a

Thanks for the heads up - I just read Jes's notes, and enjoyed them enormously. The thought that's gone into the DE range shows in the models. Amidst the storm of anger (real and exaggerated) that's broken out about GW's latest actions, it's good to read something that shows at least the designers like Jes care a great deal about what they're doing. I think GW would be in real trouble if they lost Jes. The Venom seemed like the least interesting of the soon-to-be released kits, but I'm now quite excited about building some. I think it will actually have more scope for conversion than the Raider.

Nvs wrote:Now if you want to talk about small, the venom really was small as the shop near me at least had that assembled to look at. It could maybe hold 3 models including the gunner in the sled. While I like the idea that it's small so it can hide, it really should have been a little larger perhaps.

They were pretty specific about wanting it to be small, just a bit larger than jetbikes, so I'd say they hit the mark.

Panic wrote:yeah,
I've preordered two engines for my nurgle army to convert to blight drones...

Damn you. Now I want to do this too...

Kroothawk wrote:Here a better pic of the model, that is ... erm ... not a Harlequin but indeed a Haemunculus (posted again on GW-Fanworld first):

You absolute legend.

Can't help but a feel a bit disappointed in the miniature though. Looks very... restricted on parts...

I'm building the Talos for display at my store. Here's a little size comparison, for those wondering.

I just saw the Scourges at the store, and I have to say the pictures on the GW site don't do them enough justice. They looked many times better in person than I thought they would. Especially the wings are beautiful (they only had feathered models built).

The Talos & Venom looked good as well, but as I expected. The Venom doesn't look too small to me at all. Dark Eldar are slender to begin with. Six of them fit on there easily, a couple hanging on at the sides.

Nice! I was wondering how it would look if bent over like that. Thanks!

EDIT:

Can you have both liquifiers AND Chain flails on your Talos?

I thought that only one CCW could be upgraded...

I think you're correct. The forearms are on little stumps, so you can pull 'em off. I'm just building all the bits and figured since both arms were available, I'd stick them on.

It didn't quite register to me until this point, but....

Look at the detail on the Talos! It's magnificent! Every single one of those segments on the tail and arms is fully detailed! GW really outdid themselves.

With included microphone...

Got to record those screams somehow

The Talos is one heck of a Sexy Sexy Kit...

I have absolutetly no need for one, but the Desire is more than likely going to overwhelm the need

I want 6

Can't help myself it's the cthullu goes cyberpunk thing

Foo wrote:I think you're correct. The forearms are on little stumps, so you can pull 'em off. I'm just building all the bits and figured since both arms were available, I'd stick them on.

Would you say that it is easy to magnetize then? Because its a bit expensive and seems that it you could magnetize it without it looking bad

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Foo wrote:I think you're correct. The forearms are on little stumps, so you can pull 'em off. I'm just building all the bits and figured since both arms were available, I'd stick them on.

Would you say that it is easy to magnetize then? Because its a bit expensive and seems that it you could magnetize it without it looking bad

If a man truly wants to magnetise his arms I think he will.

Tlotsqi over at Warseer also confirmed Haemunculus, Wracks (26€) and Grotesques for June (WD next week will show), all probably Finecast.

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Foo wrote:I think you're correct. The forearms are on little stumps, so you can pull 'em off. I'm just building all the bits and figured since both arms were available, I'd stick them on.

Would you say that it is easy to magnetize then? Because its a bit expensive and seems that it you could magnetize it without it looking bad

I would say magnetizing is unnecessary. I'll take a picture later and show you how they stick on the arm.

Nvs wrote:

Anyone have a real pic of the talos next to something like the above cronos?

Here is a shot of the Talos compared to a AOBR dred and a sexy spase marine

Because every space marine needs a naked halfling clinging to his..erm.. weapon

Nice conversion that

Ascalam wrote:Because every space marine needs a naked halfling clinging to his..erm.. weapon

Hell yes! I reminds them what their fighting for!

sum1thtdiesalot wrote:

Foo wrote:I think you're correct. The forearms are on little stumps, so you can pull 'em off. I'm just building all the bits and figured since both arms were available, I'd stick them on.

Would you say that it is easy to magnetize then? Because its a bit expensive and seems that it you could magnetize it without it looking bad

This is the arm and weapon pod for a Talos/Cronos. As you can see, it's a pretty heft peg. Friction keeps it on pretty well and if it doesn't, I just add a little glue and smooth it out to make it more snug. (Letting the peg dry with the pod off, of course.)


Here's some more shots of the Talos, now list-legal and showing off the different tail positions and anti-grav hip pods:





These are the tiny, creepy, vestigial arms.

Thanks Foo. I don't think it'll need magnets anymore. Those little arms look like hey would be great for haemoculous kitbash/conversions

I really wish it came with ordinary spikes to put in instead of those wracks on the back. They really don't look all that great. I'll probably have to use a ton of leftover daggers or some of the left over jetbike pieces to make some. Or just fill in the holes.

But overall they look really nice.

The more and more I see pictures of the Talos, the more I want them.

Xelkireth wrote:The more and more I see pictures of the Talos, the more I want them.

Far far better in person, been to my GW store and saw them, awesome.

Xelkireth wrote:The more and more I see pictures of the Talos, the more I want them.

^^^This

Foo wrote:I'm building the Talos for display at my store. Here's a little size comparison, for those wondering.

The Chain Flail + Dual Liquifier is def the best looking weapon outfit. Its a shame its illegal and even if it was legal would be rather expensive. Im going to arm mine as such and use it as either a Chain Flail or Dual Liquifier.

Exergy wrote:The Chain Flail + Dual Liquifier is def the best looking weapon outfit. Its a shame its illegal and even if it was legal would be rather expensive. Im going to arm mine as such and use it as either a Chain Flail or Dual Liquifier.

Errr. No. The Talos can upgrade a cc weapon to a dual liquifer. The Talos can buy an addition cc weapon. This weapon reverts to the top and can be given chainflails. Page 94. It's cut and clear.

Xelkireth wrote:

Exergy wrote:The Chain Flail + Dual Liquifier is def the best looking weapon outfit. Its a shame its illegal and even if it was legal would be rather expensive. Im going to arm mine as such and use it as either a Chain Flail or Dual Liquifier.

Errr. No. The Talos can upgrade a cc weapon to a dual liquifer. The Talos can buy an addition cc weapon. This weapon reverts to the top and can be given chainflails. Page 94. It's cut and clear.

...That makes sense. That's a pretty scary combo, if legal!

Mind you, it says "replace one of its CC weapons" not "replace a CC weapon". I'm not sure you can.


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Nvs wrote:I really wish it came with ordinary spikes to put in instead of those wracks on the back. They really don't look all that great. I'll probably have to use a ton of leftover daggers or some of the left over jetbike pieces to make some. Or just fill in the holes.

But overall they look really nice.

The Cronos has a different rack for the back which you could use instead. There are also some extra spiky antennae and blades that are meant to be used in the vestigial limb holes, but could probably fit up top if you wanted.

Xelkireth wrote:

Exergy wrote:The Chain Flail + Dual Liquifier is def the best looking weapon outfit. Its a shame its illegal and even if it was legal would be rather expensive. Im going to arm mine as such and use it as either a Chain Flail or Dual Liquifier.

Errr. No. The Talos can upgrade a cc weapon to a dual liquifer. The Talos can buy an addition cc weapon. This weapon reverts to the top and can be given chainflails. Page 94. It's cut and clear.

then wouldnt you be able to replace both CCWs with TW liquifiers?

It's page 92. My bad.

You may, "replace one of it's close combat weapons with one of the following..." I misread it early and stand corrected. Even with two close combat weapons, you can only replace one of them.

jutami wrote:Wow, those new models are great, kinda hard to not add them to the list of "to-do" projects. I looked at the razorwing, and while it's great, I think the front canopy is very bomberish, but the fighter should have the canopy a bit further back, make it look a bit more sleek.
I made this quickie overpaint to show what I mean...



Back to staring at my nids...
Cheers

Has anyone noticed the vents on the one closer to the camera below the cockpit, could that one actually be the void raven and the one further away be the razorwing?
I cant see them including two different "tops" in the one box.


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Ok I just read the post with the picture my bad haha

I would say it's the opposite. The one closer to the camera seems smaller actually, if you look at the cockpit's connection to the tail, etc. I suspect the one closest is the razorwing fighter and the one in the back is, perhaps, the voidraven bomber - it's clearly a bit longer, etc.

IDK. The closer one looks more like a bomber to me. The cockpit placement and it looks slightly heavier

I think, the one in the front is just photoshopped, as the poster of said photo admitted in the post

Minor update: It will be 5 wracks per box and one grotesque per new blister, all Finecast.

Kroothawk wrote: Minor update: It will be 5 wracks per box and one grotesque per new blister, all Finecast.

Any idea of the pricing? Haemonculi covens could get very expensive!

The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

All these new Dark Eldar are blowing a colossal hole in my wallet. On order;
2x Raiders
2x Ravagers
2x Venoms

Will order;
2x Haemonculi
1x Razorwing

My hard-earned cash is floating away...

InventionThirteen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Minor update: It will be 5 wracks per box and one grotesque per new blister, all Finecast.

Any idea of the pricing? Haemonculi covens could get very expensive!

Judging based entirely on current GW trends I would say: too god-damned much.

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

I've seen the model(s) in person, and I can say the Talos is about the same size as a Dreadnought, so rest assured it is not Marine sized

TBD wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

I've seen the model(s) in person, and I can say the Talos is about the same size as a Dreadnought, so rest assured it is not Marine sized

Thats how i know the size is off in the pics :'P

InventionThirteen wrote:Any idea of the pricing? Haemonculi covens could get very expensive!

Kroothawk wrote:Tlotsqi over at Warseer also confirmed Haemunculus, Wracks (26€) and Grotesques for June (WD next week will show), all probably Finecast.

Sidstyler wrote:

InventionThirteen wrote:

Kroothawk wrote: Minor update: It will be 5 wracks per box and one grotesque per new blister, all Finecast.

Any idea of the pricing? Haemonculi covens could get very expensive!

Judging based entirely on current GW trends I would say: too god-damned much.

26 EUR approximately equals $35. I could definitely see this happening as it is relatively in line with the Incubi and Mandrake pricing. Unfortunate, though.

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

Are you talking about my pictures? I just took a few pictures where you can see the bases 'cos I figured you could look at those and get a good idea of the size/distance. Want me to take one of the Talos sitting on a Rhino?

Foo wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The size comparison pics are so off >.< they need to be put in the exact same distance. Some pics the Talos looks really big , and evidentally when the distance is reversed , the marine looks Talos sized.

Are you talking about my pictures? I just took a few pictures where you can see the bases 'cos I figured you could look at those and get a good idea of the size/distance. Want me to take one of the Talos sitting on a Rhino?

Its fine :'P its basically dreadnought volume.

Thanks for the pictures. The Talos looks a lot bigger then the Chronos, the claws and tail really make a difference. Still not sure as what I will use it, but if leave off the tail, I might even consider scrapping the middle part between the body and the tentacles all together.

Courtesy of warseer
Personally, i love 'em
Will be starting a coven army soon

They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.


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I'm actually somewhat underwhelmed with these. I was hoping they'd look a lot more dynamic and ominous - they just look like something from WoC that got cybernetics added. Those poses are garbage.

Limited, static and overall odd poses - didn't think that would happen, given the otherwise brilliant releases for the DE to date.

Yeah, these are by far the worst of the DE release. I was hoping they'd be far more dynamic to go along with, well, pretty much the rest of the range - but they're practically posed as though they're out of 2nd edition - and that's just fricking sad. Glad I have no plans to buy from GW anyways. These wracks are standing there like "shoot me" and the grotesques look like they're dancing ballet for god's sake.

Oh what a disappointment. They seem rushed... is this what we can expect for finecast? The haemonculi side of things is looking a little lacking right about now.

Lucky I play a kabal list then huh?

Yeah. It's Finecast.



As to the Finecast sprues, I'm not so impressed. It looks like there will be a lot of cleaning up to do on the models.

Just saying, the grotesque arms look highly compatible with the talo/cronos arms so fret not about the single pose

The Grotesque is one blister. Looks like we get just one miniature with two right hand weapon options. Having such a special pose makes this obvious unfortunately.

The Wracks look like calm, introverted swordsmen in their static pose, not like mad pumped up fighting machines. Also an unfortunate choice of pose. The miniatures have a champion and 4 different warriors, that only differ in details, also unfortunate for a unit with potentially 30 miniatures in an army.

I really like the style,very dark and very creepy. I must agree that the poses are pretty meh...

one of the Wracks has a liquifier gun, and it looks like the Acothist(sorry for spelling) is armed with a stinger pistol.

1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

2) I NEVER understand GW and their static poses. IF a model is going to have same poses over and over again in a unit , AT LEAST choose a pose that's generic enough to get away with it.

LunaHound wrote:Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

It appears one wrack has flip flops...

Ysclyth wrote:

LunaHound wrote:Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

It appears one wrack has flip flops...

Yes he does, what a lucky guy -_-

And why do they all look like they are wearing kendo stuff?

The more I look at these the less I like them. I do like the concept, and I do appreciate the general design of the masks, etc - but the poses are complete fail. Hopefully we'll get some reasonably 3rd party alternatives that we can work with.

If I ever ended up with these GW models, though (someone would have to donate them to me), I'd have to practically be a haemoculi myself in order to convert them sufficiently to not make the army look like it's filled with lose.


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The one with the liquefier gun isn't even USING it, he's just holding it like he's waiting to be shot in the face. All of them are just milling about like they're waiting to be smashed by the butt of a bolter.

Deaceased wrote:Courtesy of warseer
Personally, i love 'em
Will be starting a coven army soon

wow the grots look awful. All with the same pose, and an awful pose at that. The stuff on their backs does kind of link them to pain engines.

The wracks are ok, like the pictures but im not in love with the blades. They look a little buff for strength 3. The acothyst is the best, but why would you ever want to give him a pistol?


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Kroothawk wrote: Also an unfortunate choice of pose. The miniatures have a champion and 4 different warriors, that only differ in details, also unfortunate for a unit with potentially 30 miniatures in an army.

wracks become troops in almost all DE armies and definitly in a coven army. That means you are probably running more like 60.
I like my converted ones more.

Hellooooooo Chaos Ogryn Bodyguard for my Traitor Legion.

Im pretty sure the grotesque arms are compatible with the talos arms, one of them with the talos's chain flail would look pretty sick.

Hmm.

Foo, if you're suggesting IP shenanigans, please don't!

If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

I think the Wracks and Grotesques look OK, but as blister they'll be so lack-lustre compared to how they could've been as a box set; there's so much less character, variety and options. A unit consisting of entirely GW Wrack models could look really dull IMHO.

They're good looking models I'd say, but let down by the options and diversity for me...

Just Dave wrote:If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

The problem with alternate models, is they're not tournament sanctioned.

Xelkireth wrote:

Just Dave wrote:If you're suggesting alternative models, then yes please!

The problem with alternate models, is they're not tournament sanctioned.

That's not quite what I was getting at...

It was more whether he was suggesting those or more IP nonsense.

As for tournament sanctioned; that A) Depends on the tournament, B) Depends on whether the player even intends to use them in a tournament, C) the above ambiguity as to Foo's suggestion...

I'm suggesting harvesting for parts.

Xelkireth wrote:As to the Finecast sprues, I'm not so impressed. It looks like there will be a lot of cleaning up to do on the models.

Thanks for posting the photo, but how can you tell anything about the quality of the casting from a single grainy photo? At least wait till you've got something substantive to go on. There appear to be several very fine pieces of excess material, which would be no worse to clean up than a FW mini - and the best FW minis are very cleanly cast now.

I think the Wracks look okay, actually. Yes they're static, but they look kind of menacing. The Grotesques are quite disappointing, not because they're bad models, but because there's no real diversity. Any sizable unit is going to be far too uniform. And, I suspect, expensive.

Foo wrote:I'm suggesting harvesting for parts.

see, that I approve of and is a good idea!

Apologies for the confusion...

my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Asherian Command wrote:my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Good observation. They may have very limited and unimpressive poses, but they're a damn sight better looking than pretty much any Space Marine... My mind trying to figure out how to convert them for better poses. I need to just wait and see the kits...

The Mandrakes were similarly disappointing as models with massive coolness potential, struck down by the fact that they only have 3 different poses.

I would even donate to PP to hire the lawyers, just to see GW get nailed with the IP hammer, karma is a bitch.

And by the way, yes all this and the pain engines are stolen from the crix range.

I think they look good... will reserve judgement until seeing more official pics (sounds like this coming week perhaps?).

It's awesome that these are coming out in June! I am very happy about planning to start DE now... end of June, there are new models for almost everything in the range!!

I also think these will convert up easier than a lot of people above are posting. I mean, look at them... you could put almost anything on them and have it blend in.

Particularly, shouldn't it be possible to simply point the arms up / various ways to mix up the feel of the unit of wracks? The torso is static, but they're pretty slow, so it makes sense.

Anyway, I'm happy about them, even if they're not up to the dynamic standard set by most of the DE releases, these guys aren't supposed to be exactly agile and it's awesome to have models for them coming out so much sooner than I'd expected.

xxvaderxx wrote:

I would even donate to PP to hire the lawyers, just to see GW get nailed with the IP hammer, karma is a bitch.

And by the way, yes all this and the pain engines are stolen from the crix range.

They don't even look the same. Get off your high horse.

Yes, please... let's keep this thread on-topic.

Also, I'm looking at the book right now, and the models look almost identical to the pics. I know I would've hoped for more varied and dynamic poses... but they are literally almost identical to the pics (for example, with the comment about the "kendo" pants- it's in the pic in the book as well).

I'm thinking arm and weapon swaps should go a long way towards varying up their look, though

Archonate wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:my gawd these are so much better than the grey knight's crap!

Good observation. They may have very limited and unimpressive poses, but they're a damn sight better looking than pretty much any Space Marine... My mind trying to figure out how to convert them for better poses. I need to just wait and see the kits...

The Mandrakes were similarly disappointing as models with massive coolness potential, struck down by the fact that they only have 3 different poses.

You can lean their torso's more forward, to give them a hunchback feeling,for the legs there isn't much you can do alas, or you have to entierly remove them and finc something adequet...

Mmh maybe with the Mandrakes legs?...,keeps de kimono style but with wider stances.

I planned on buting a battleforce, talos, and a venom (maybe razorwing) when they came out, but looks like im going 20 wracks, 5 grotesques (depending on price) and a haemonculus

One-pose Grotesques? Talk about dropping the ball...

On the other hand:

Foo wrote:

Oh. My. God.

Dark Mechanicus and their creations all in one go. Awesomesauce.

Razorwing unofficially up

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440160a&prodId=prod1230010a

H.B.M.C. wrote:Oh. My. God.

Dark Mechanicus and their creations all in one go. Awesomesauce.

Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

Overall, I'm not surprised that the Wracks and Grotesques were done in resin rather than plastic. I guess we'll see them in plastic eventually, especially if their popularity as a unit matches the initial reactions I've seen (that also assumes that the DE sell well after the initial wave of popularity). I suspect a lot of people will be doing their own versions, given the high cost and lack of variety in the official models. I'm going back to look at basing Grotesques on plastic Rat Oges. I've found that WHFB Flagellants with DE bits (including the blank helmets) make pretty good Wracks.

Tailgunner wrote:Not really familiar with the Dark Mechanicus, but these are indeed very cool models, and remarkably similar to a unit of Wracks and Haemonculi (I'm not alleging that anyone copied anyone else). More importantly, the poses are more dynamic and varied than the official Wracks (and, obviously, the Grotesques).

I think these have been around a while longer, but I don't think that either company took any inspiration from one another. They're different enough to not be derivative.

Either way - I don't care. I need some Dark Mechanicus guys to help out my Heretek Magos, and these guys'll do nicely.

Tailgunner wrote:Overall, I'm not surprised that the Wracks and Grotesques were done in resin rather than plastic.

Neither am I. I am surprised that they went with a single pose only for the Grotesques, something that's meant to be taken in units. If anything they should have made them slightly smaller (they appear to be very tall) and made 3 poses, and put 'em in a box'o'three.

Wow. Those Wracks and Grotesques are... not sure if want

The sculpts look pretty good, very detailed and such... but pretty boring at the same time. I expected more variety. We've seen only a couple of pics, so I hope it will get a little better. But this doesn´t seem to be at the same level than the plastics.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

The Dark Eldar range is a winner across the board and I've yet to see a mini for this that I didn't like.

Accurately sums up my feelings. Heck, I'm starting an army of them, purely on account of the models. Amazing stuff.

Thrax wrote:They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.

Call me crazy but I think that might be intentional. Their fluff does kind of make them out to be like zombies, after all.

Judging from that pic there seem to be about three different sculpts (just in strikingly similar poses), not unlike the mandrakes. And considering we've had an idea that these would be metal (or resin) for some time I don't think anyone should really be all that surprised.

And really, what did you expect as far as poses went? Judging from the background for these things and the images in the codex, did you honestly expect these things to be acrobatic and all posed like god-damned ninjas? Because -I- expected a creepy zombie-horde feel, guys who slowly march toward you, shrugging off wounds that would kill most other things without reacting or appearing to be in any physical pain, and that's exactly what was delivered. I personally think they would look ridiculous if they were posed like Lelith or the wyches. Out of all the things GW could produce in limited poses, the wracks make the most sense to me. They're the one unit in a DE army that I could see looking rather static.

The grotesques on the other hand, I'll agree that one freaking pose isn't really enough. You'd think they would have given us at least TWO options, but no, every single grotesque will look exactly the same.

Anyway, I would have liked a little more variety I guess, in both the wracks and grotesques, but GW has the opportunity to release more variants later if they want, or use this as an excuse to make them plastic next time. Sucks if you want a billion different poses right the feth now, but considering how generous they've been with all the plastic kits for DE (well-deserved after a decade I'd say), I'd say we should at least be thankful there even IS a model for them, because consider the alternative: more than a year after their codex release and Tyranids are still missing essential kits like the tervigon, tyrannofex, harpy, mycetic spore, several characters and other options for existing models like warriors, whereas damn near the entire Dark Eldar range has been made available to us, most of them in plastic, in a little over 6-7 months time, with the only real gripes being that the metal models don't have enough poses, and that we only get one of each special weapon in our plastic kits (because the fact that all the upgrades are represented in some way isn't good enough). And don't forget that Dark Eldar was a huge risk for GW to take in the first place.

Not trying to be an "apologist" here, I'm as pissed off at GW as everyone else is, I just defend them when it seems appropriate. Rest assured they won't be worth what GW will ask for them, but I think the sculpts are pretty good.

LunaHound wrote:1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

I think the reason why Lelith being barefoot is acceptable is because she's female, judging purely from creepy posts I've read in other DE threads. Seems most people want their women naked and their men covered completely in plate armor, because for some odd reason they've oversexualized their miniatures hobby and a single exposed inch of skin (that doesn't belong to their bald, screaming heads) is enough to make them question their sexualities, hence why it's so "awkward" for them to look at.

And ironically I post this in response to a woman, but I think the point still stands . I don't think people are being that "gender-equal" when it comes to the "awkward bare feet"...it's okay for female wyches and hellions, apparently, but baaaad for everything with a penis. Assuming these damn things even have them anymore.

Anyway, personally, I don't give a crap either way. Considering these things are basically zombie-like monsters I don't find anything wrong with how they're dressed, nor would I if they were all wearing plate-armored boots. Not sure why being barefoot "looks ridiculous" on them, or why it's any more "awkward" than the bare chest with tubes and metal and other apparatuses stitched into it.

And if bare feet are so "awkward", then what the hell do you call the literally half-naked dudes in loinclothes who only have their feet and junk covered? It's like "Yeah, okay, we don't care if we can see their finely chiseled abs and smooth, silky legs, and that the only thing separating me from their genitals is a thin piece of cloth...but if their feet are showing that's just too much!"


...so yeah, that was my novel.

Its awkward because the Absolute Territory on the those guys feet looks SO WEIRD.

aesthetically speaking, they have a nice flow of energy going down by the black hakama, going straight downwards
which make their stance looks deep rooted into the ground.

but NO! there is that bare feet, suddenly it just breaks / halts / interrupts the feel of it.

Well, I for one like bare feet in the miniatures range. For one thing, Romeo of Battlefoam has some kind of psychotic anti-foot-fetish, and it's amusing to listen to him mewl about it on 40k Radio.

The Grotesques are a disgrace, the Wracks are passable.

Sidstyler wrote:

Thrax wrote:They look ok, but they're all the same gaking poses, wtf? Why do they insist on still doing this? These aren't even like a unit people running a coven list will use sparingly, if people run them at all you're likely to see them in large numbers - all standing there, posed like choreographed zombies in various stages of doing the thriller.

Call me crazy but I think that might be intentional. Their fluff does kind of make them out to be like zombies, after all.

Judging from that pic there seem to be about three different sculpts (just in strikingly similar poses), not unlike the mandrakes. And considering we've had an idea that these would be metal (or resin) for some time I don't think anyone should really be all that surprised.

And really, what did you expect as far as poses went? Judging from the background for these things and the images in the codex, did you honestly expect these things to be acrobatic and all posed like god-damned ninjas? Because -I- expected a creepy zombie-horde feel, guys who slowly march toward you, shrugging off wounds that would kill most other things without reacting or appearing to be in any physical pain, and that's exactly what was delivered. I personally think they would look ridiculous if they were posed like Lelith or the wyches. Out of all the things GW could produce in limited poses, the wracks make the most sense to me. They're the one unit in a DE army that I could see looking rather static.

The grotesques on the other hand, I'll agree that one freaking pose isn't really enough. You'd think they would have given us at least TWO options, but no, every single grotesque will look exactly the same.

Anyway, I would have liked a little more variety I guess, in both the wracks and grotesques, but GW has the opportunity to release more variants later if they want, or use this as an excuse to make them plastic next time. Sucks if you want a billion different poses right the feth now, but considering how generous they've been with all the plastic kits for DE (well-deserved after a decade I'd say), I'd say we should at least be thankful there even IS a model for them, because consider the alternative: more than a year after their codex release and Tyranids are still missing essential kits like the tervigon, tyrannofex, harpy, mycetic spore, several characters and other options for existing models like warriors, whereas damn near the entire Dark Eldar range has been made available to us, most of them in plastic, in a little over 6-7 months time, with the only real gripes being that the metal models don't have enough poses, and that we only get one of each special weapon in our plastic kits (because the fact that all the upgrades are represented in some way isn't good enough). And don't forget that Dark Eldar was a huge risk for GW to take in the first place.

Not trying to be an "apologist" here, I'm as pissed off at GW as everyone else is, I just defend them when it seems appropriate. Rest assured they won't be worth what GW will ask for them, but I think the sculpts are pretty good.

LunaHound wrote:1) Enough with the awkward bare feet. Ok so Lelith has barefeet but i guess thats fine because shes so agile , but it looks ridiculous on these guys.

I think the reason why Lelith being barefoot is acceptable is because she's female, judging purely from creepy posts I've read in other DE threads. Seems most people want their women naked and their men covered completely in plate armor, because for some odd reason they've oversexualized their miniatures hobby and a single exposed inch of skin (that doesn't belong to their bald, screaming heads) is enough to make them question their sexualities, hence why it's so "awkward" for them to look at.

And ironically I post this in response to a woman, but I think the point still stands . I don't think people are being that "gender-equal" when it comes to the "awkward bare feet"...it's okay for female wyches and hellions, apparently, but baaaad for everything with a penis. Assuming these damn things even have them anymore.

Anyway, personally, I don't give a crap either way. Considering these things are basically zombie-like monsters I don't find anything wrong with how they're dressed, nor would I if they were all wearing plate-armored boots. Not sure why being barefoot "looks ridiculous" on them, or why it's any more "awkward" than the bare chest with tubes and metal and other apparatuses stitched into it.

And if bare feet are so "awkward", then what the hell do you call the literally half-naked dudes in loinclothes who only have their feet and junk covered? It's like "Yeah, okay, we don't care if we can see their finely chiseled abs and smooth, silky legs, and that the only thing separating me from their genitals is a thin piece of cloth...but if their feet are showing that's just too much!"


...so yeah, that was my novel.

To be fair, we dark eldar players waited for years, as the tongue in cheek joke of the hobby when it came to an eventual release date. We played with models that honestly were total gak to begin with, complete with characters that were named parodies of disney characters (Cruellagh I'm looking at you) and most of the dark eldar players I know anyways, were pretty good sports about it all for the most part. Now fast forward to the past year, and we get nothing short of an amazing, jaw dropping line of models that exceeded just about everyone's expectations in so many ways. GW releases it in a trickle to get us through the year and we get to the end where the much-hyped haemonculi covens are released. After seeing the Talos I was completely stoked for Wracks and even in the gakstorm we are in now with all of the shenanigans going on with GW, I still considered making the wracks my last purchase of the year from GW.

Problem is, and yes, it's great we've got the models now - I understand and agree with you there - but they're naturally somewhat of a letdown when you look at all of the potential Jes has put forward on everything else. We've been blown away for the last 6-8 months by these incredibly artistic poses and all of the excellent kitbashing potential of the kits thus far. If they'd released these as plastics we'd have been instantly overjoyed and able to pose them however we like - and customize them so much easier as befitting a haemonculi coven. So ok, they're resin, that's fine that there's only a few poses - again not unexpected no argument from me there, but the primary issue I have with these is that they're basically all identical poses, and they're very uninteresting/uninspiring ones at that. Ok, so creepy zombie march, good I get that too - and if that's what these said to me when I looked at them, I'd be fine with that. Unfortunately, when I look at these things, they just look like they're literally standing there, ankles together, waiting to be shot. Who knows, maybe in 3D we'll all be blown out of our seats by them - but these first pics are a pretty dismal showing of what would have been the centerpiece of many dark eldar armies if they'd only not been held back by the nature of the kits. All of that said, they could be worse - they could have not even made them - we all understand the logic there - but when everything else was so amazing, it's just crappy that these didn't hold up as well.

Personally, the bare feet thing is fine with me, whatever - it's not immasculine or anything in my eyes - in fact I hadn't even thought about it before reading your post referencing the others - but thinking on it now, I do think it's just slightly odd that on a battlefield with all of the hazards that could incapacitate/ruin an unprotected foot, they'd not have some kind of boot - but whatever, I could care less - that, in the grand scheme of things is, to me, splitting hairs. There's really nothing stopping people from greenstuffing some on there anyways.

Well that's the thing though, of all the units in a Dark Eldar army, the wracks are the ones who are the least likely to give a damn if they step on broken glass. Probably wouldn't even know if htey had...and might enjoy it if they did anyway.

I'm just saying, personally I think helmet-less Marines, Guardsmen etc. are far more ridiculous than what's shown here, because they're the ones who really need the protection. The wracks are just there to get shot and probably chop stuff up, whether they live or die is of no consequence to their cruel haemonculi masters; they can always just get new ones.

I can't argue with your logic on the wracks not giving a rip about shoes. I just wish the dang things looked like they were doing -something- on the battlefield. Even if it was just one pose with the guy aiming the liquefier gun, cool, that'd be enough to at least make it look like the unit wasn't waiting at the bus stop for the next raider - we could swap that hand out for him swinging a sword - but meh...I guess we'll see what happens when they get here.


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The way their arms are with their feet so close together, almost makes them look like they're walking a balance beam or something.

Yeah, I agree. It doesn't really bother me that they're so static but I think you're right in that the models probably would have looked much better if they had just a little more variance to them.

I think the wracks look pretty cool individually, but they're not really feasible as a unit given the lack of diversity. The grotesques are very disappointing. Not that I'd give a penny to GW even if they were both awesome.

At least we have models for them, i'm thinking some of the smaller arms from the talos might be good for making these minis more varied. Have to wait and see,

Thrax wrote:I can't argue with your logic on the wracks not giving a rip about shoes. I just wish the dang things looked like they were doing -something- on the battlefield. Even if it was just one pose with the guy aiming the liquefier gun, cool, that'd be enough to at least make it look like the unit wasn't waiting at the bus stop for the next raider - we could swap that hand out for him swinging a sword - but meh...I guess we'll see what happens when they get here.


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The way their arms are with their feet so close together, almost makes them look like they're walking a balance beam or something.

I agree on the arm comment but I am sure the arm's will be adjustable somewhat! I do not expect the models to be one piece, I also had the whole zombie ish idea in my head but even then I was expecting maybe a walking pose or something or legs apart? standing up straight like that just feels extremely undynamic and even undynamic fluff wise units do not stand like that normally from what I recall. Also on the grots I think its a cool pose but what were they thinking producing a single pose like that? MADNESS!

Just to let everyone know:- what's being referred to as 'Kendo pants' are actually called 'Hakama'.

I want a not-Batwing for airbrushing practice...

Anyone notice how much the PP and GW wracks/cryx look like Cenobites?

Yes it's almost as if certain design archetypes exist and influence concept artists responsible for the designs...

It is a real shame about the monoposes. The DE range has been really nice up to this point but a few misses for all those hits is to be expected I guess.

AvatarForm wrote:I want a not-Batwing for airbrushing practice...

Anyone notice how much the PP and GW wracks/cryx look like Cenobites?

What's wrong with that? I think it's EPIC.

Ketara wrote:Just to let everyone know:- what's being referred to as 'Kendo pants' are actually called 'Hakama'.

But as the Wracks also wear the Kendo masks, calling them Kendo pants is appropriate.

BTW All Haemunculi "lend" from a SciFi/Horror stereotype (cruel black leather fetishists) also found in Rackham Dirz, Star Trek Remulans (movie version), Harkonnen (first movie version), Hellraiser, and several other SciFi movies whose name I forgot.

@Xelkireth: Never saw Hellraiser, but the one on the right looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil.

Totaly forgot about those Cryx models. They'd make awesome medics for my Traitor Guard.

Anung Un Rama wrote:@Xelkireth: Never saw Hellraiser, but the one on the right looks like Nemesis from Resident Evil.

Totaly forgot about those Cryx models. They'd make awesome medics for my Traitor Guard.

WWWWHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTTT??????!!!!!!!!

Seriously... If you like old horror cult classics, Hellraiser is a must.



Oh! And so is Wishmaster!

Xelkireth wrote:Oh! And so is Wishmaster!

Maybe the first one, but after that it's just a repeat of different ways we can end it exactly like the first.

OT: I like the Wracks, but I think I'll find something else to use as Grotesques.