http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

more pics to follow.

Talos pain engine
Cronos parasite Engine
Venom
Scourges.

Finally some images! Thanks for this!

Talos, for the work blocked.

Uk price is £28.

I wish they'd have sprue shots for the Scourges.

The Talos/Cronos kit opens so many converting horizons!!!

It's amazing to see how thin is the line between the new DE range design and how a proper Chaotic range should look like.

I am quite pleased by these....they look quite nice.

Awesome!!

Let's see:
- Talos: look great and it's plastic. Sold.
- Cronos: same.
- Venom: pretty good design, a bit wider than I thought but still nice. Sold too.
- Scourges: a plastic kit of 5 minis, nice enough price. Only one weapon of each? GAK! Stil buying a box, maybe two, but... :(
- Battleforce: nice selection, but I don't need it. I think is ok for newcomers
- No flyers? :( Maybe to be put on preorder in two weeks... I hope.

That's four and two :( Good enough, I guess!

Edit: I'm watching the sprues for Talos and Cronos... AWESOME!

Cronos Parasite Engine -- nb this is made from/in the same kit as the Talos.

£28

Awesome. Honestly the talos/cronos have more fleshy bits than I thought they would but I still like the design. Venom looks good, almost exactly like the codex artwork.

I really like how the scourges have a mix of feathered and bat wings, I did not call that one.

Venom, £18.50

Scourges, £15.50

THERE'RE HERE!!!! Loving the look and demented feel of the Cronos and those poses on the scourges; I'm taking these over helions for shure, maybe even for some wych conversions too. Some really great work from Jes!!!

They've made some very significant changes to the Talos which I really like and which aren't visible in the codex picture, while I can still see all the features prevalent in it as if the head was bent down behind the carapace; also the same case for the Cronos... Is it possible that they made some changes to the design after the codex was released?

Sold, sold, sold! Everything looks better than I hoped (and I had pretty high hopes, too!).

Hmmm... Bit of a mixed bag for me; I think the Scourges are beautiful and a great looking kit; hopefully it's suitably compatible with the other kits. Pretty good price too.

I'm not a fan on the Talos/Chronus or the Venom however; I don't think the Venom looks particularly Dark Eldar-ish, but much more craftworld and even in heroic scale, it doesn't look like it could ever fit 6 Dark Eldar on it, but maybe that's just me.

Surprised no-one's commented on the battleforce...

Just Dave wrote:I don't think the Venom looks particularly Dark Eldar-ish, but much more craftworld and even in heroic scale, it doesn't look like it could ever fit 6 Dark Eldar on it, but maybe that's just me.

Well, we first knew of Venoms in the Harlequins arcticles. It has some logic that the design resembles both Craftworld and Dark Eldar.

Just Dave wrote:Surprised no-one's commented on the battleforce...

I did D:

Talk about a Solid Release!

My god, the Talos/Cronos have to be some of the best looking models that GW has ever put out, I"m pretty stunned.

Scourges also look great, with two sets of wings.

The Venom is well, Ok I guess, it's really hard to give a good review of it, in the face of the other two amazing kits. At leas it's Available now though!

Talk about a great release!

Those Scourges are gorgeous.

I'm sorely tempted to pick up a kit.

Love all of it! I'm more excited about the scourges than I thought I'd be...

Just Dave wrote:
Surprised no-one's commented on the battleforce...

It's actually cheaper than the old battleforce. Has GW gone senile? Though, it does contain less Reavers.

Back in November, in the first wave, they splitted the releases in 2 dates, as they use to, and the preorders were splitted too.

Do you dakkaites think that we will see more stuff in preorder when this kits finally hit the shelves? I'm pretty worried about this because I really wanted a flyer :S

Pain/Parasite Engine: Most EVIL looking thing GW has ever made. Hands Down.
Venom: Meh. I think I'm going to stick with Converting one by sticking parts from a DE Raider and an Eldar Vyper together.
Scourges: I think I'm in love. I love the lore on em and I was really hopping GW was going to do them Justice. And they delivered.

Erasoketa wrote:Back in November, in the first wave, they splitted the releases in 2 dates, as they use to, and the preorders were splitted too.

Do you dakkaites think that we will see more stuff in preorder when this kits finally hit the shelves? I'm pretty worried about this because I really wanted a flyer :S

yes.

If not before maybe.

Erasoketa wrote:

Just Dave wrote:I don't think the Venom looks particularly Dark Eldar-ish, but much more craftworld and even in heroic scale, it doesn't look like it could ever fit 6 Dark Eldar on it, but maybe that's just me.

Well, we first knew of Venoms in the Harlequins arcticles. It has some logic that the design resembles both Craftworld and Dark Eldar.

I like how 'clean' the Venom is, almost like the plan is to re-do it as a Craftworld version later down the line.


The Talos/Cronos are very cool.

Wow...that is all I have to say ! Just wow Jes is amazing, he's done it again! I love how the new cronos/talos is just so...different! They look awesome! I can see when ever they get to releasing wracks and grotesques that the army will look very themed indeed I also think it was a good idea for the two separate kits, if they were mixed I believe it would cost $96 austrlian or around there, so for once were not being that shafted
Scourges look awesome! Seriously I don't mind they only have one of each weapon, they are amazing, will certainly be picking up two boxes!
Don't mind the venom, don't use them that much anyway
In Australia your saving $50 on buying the batte force...from the warstore it costs $82 including shipping, that's quite a lot of savIngs!!! :p however it seems more of a beginner thing, but a good deal never the less!
Very very happy with these, DE are easily the best model range in the game IMHO, I'm disappointed at no razorwing/voidraven, but these will suffice for now :p but they gotta be the models that will be released for preorder on the 24th, there's no way it won't be!!!!

Everything looks very good, though I wish the Venom and Talos/Cronos were $5 cheaper.

The Scourges are great, I hope there is enough for consistent wings though. I don't like the bat/bird combination.

The battleforce is cool stuff. Looks like a savings of almost 20%.

reds8n wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Back in November, in the first wave, they splitted the releases in 2 dates, as they use to, and the preorders were splitted too.

Do you dakkaites think that we will see more stuff in preorder when this kits finally hit the shelves? I'm pretty worried about this because I really wanted a flyer :S

yes.

If not before maybe.

I think I love you.

Just Dave wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Surprised no-one's commented on the battleforce...

I did D:

I'll pretend I didn't hear that!

I want my flamers back!

The Scourges look great, even though... even though, they don't have beaks...

Damnit gw, creating more and more dark eldar I want to use parts from on my eldar.

Great models. However, what I am most excited about is the giant ship in the background of the Venom box.

spaceelf wrote:Great models. However, what I am most excited about is the giant ship in the background of the Venom box.

You saw that too?

Want to pick some of these up.

Venom is what I have been waiting for most, but the rest look really good.

Very nice stuff indeed

yeah,
Loving the Scourges and the venom.
I'll have 3 venoms and 3 boxes of Scourges please! thank you.

Could not be happier with the female Wyches riding on the venom!
Talk about made for my army!
Happy! Happy! Happy! Happy! Happy! Happy! Happy!

Also I prefer the feathered wings to the bat wings.
+++ So if anyone want to set up a trade I'm offering 6 pairs of batwings for 6 pairs of feathered wings+++
+++Hit me with a PM! +++





Panic...

Strong releases and I like them all Those engines are very original!

Love the Scourge looking down the sight like a sniper, actually. Super awesome pose.

Anyone going to have extra shard carbines I can trade for?

Gamesworkshop must know that I have a new job. They have been releasing new models almost on a weekly basis and I have been buying them.

Though those models do look sweet and I am now considering starting Dark Eldar.

The Venom looks like it could be converted quite easily to A Craftworld Farseer/Warlock on Jetbike ''counts as''

I'm glad I waited on converting a talos and venom. My scourges look at least as nice as what GW did so I likely won't be getting any of those.

The scourges really are impressive. I like the wing variation. But the venom has already sold itself to me, after all the conversions I've seen, I'm glad it has come out as a small, blade-like transport. My trueborn will be gagging for a ride.

Loving it all. That said, still really happy with my Scourge conversions, but I think the official ones wouldn't look out of place next to them.

Definitely going to get some Venoms and a Pain Engine though

Erasoketa wrote:

reds8n wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Back in November, in the first wave, they splitted the releases in 2 dates, as they use to, and the preorders were splitted too.

Do you dakkaites think that we will see more stuff in preorder when this kits finally hit the shelves? I'm pretty worried about this because I really wanted a flyer :S

yes.

If not before maybe.

I think I love you.

At first I thought you were saying that to me.

Just Dave wrote:

Just Dave wrote:Surprised no-one's commented on the battleforce...

I did D:

I'll pretend I didn't hear that!

I want my flamers back!

Uhhh... Ummm... They got lost in the post...

I dig the venom, as well. It does seem like they missed one thing, though, and that's by including three wyches with it rather than kabalites. But they may be able to be seamlessly included in regular wych units. I will wager that most venoms will end up having a trueborn gunner.

Talos is uber-creepy, and now I want to see the wracks. A coven army could be a visually stunning army to see hit the battlefield.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like how 'clean' the Venom is,

Agreed, very sleek. Plus the simplicity of the design ought to save plenty of time when I paint up all nine of them.

More awesome work from Jes. My jaw dropped when I saw the Talos/Cronos.

Oh, if only I was the type to jump on band wagons

Just Dave wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:
I think I love you.

At first I thought you were saying that to me.

Yeah, you would like that

I want my flamers back!

Uhhh... Ummm... They got lost in the post...

You Sir are a mean lad.

So on topic, looks like we will still see more stuff in June. That's going to be a expensive month

Dear god those scourges are beautiful.
I never really wanted to use them, but I'll have to buy some now

I'm kind of dissapointed that the talos and chronus are completey different kits, I might have got one if they were interchangeable. I think I'll give them a miss.

The Venom is a little underwhelming too, but still a very nice model, naturally I'm ordering 5

Over all I'm impressed

Gorechild wrote:I'm kind of dissapointed that the talos and chronus are completey different kits, I might have got one if they were interchangeable. I think I'll give them a miss.

They are interchangeable, they're just listed as 2 different kits for some, confusing, reason...

If you look on their product description you can make either with the kits. Fret not!

The entire DE release line demonstrates to me just how GW should handle a release. They overhauled an entire line, wrote a fairly balanced codex and have nearlyl the entire line available in a relatively short period of time.

These releases are just fantastic. I just need to finish my current project before diving in to this. There's just too many great looking models to ignore at this point.

Just Dave wrote:

Gorechild wrote:I'm kind of dissapointed that the talos and chronus are completey different kits, I might have got one if they were interchangeable. I think I'll give them a miss.

They are interchangeable, they're just listed as 2 different kits for some, confusing, reason...

If you look on their product description you can make either with the kits. Fret not!

Well spotted, thanks

Time to crack out the magnets

Very impressive!

Makes me wonder a bit now.

Many of us were thinking b/c of the back page of the latest WD we would be seeing a new DW skimmer/flyer b/c of the picture. Now, I think that DE advertisement is referring to these models being released.

Sarigar wrote:Makes me wonder a bit now.

Many of us were thinking b/c of the back page of the latest WD we would be seeing a new DW skimmer/flyer b/c of the picture. Now, I think that DE advertisement is referring to these models being released.

I suspect we'll see those in a couple of weeks. Patience

*jizzed in pants*

My god... Talos/Chronos, so beautifully murderous... Scourges... Venom...

DAMN YOU GW FOR MY AILING WALLET.

Just Dave wrote:

Gorechild wrote:I'm kind of dissapointed that the talos and chronus are completey different kits, I might have got one if they were interchangeable. I think I'll give them a miss.

They are interchangeable, they're just listed as 2 different kits for some, confusing, reason...

If you look on their product description you can make either with the kits. Fret not!

Guess GW wants you to accidentally buy two of them.

I didn't expect that much flesh on the walkers, it will take some getting used to.

But all the models are brilliantly executed. My only complaint is that I don't like the mix of leathery and feathery wings in the same unit of Scourges.

I think the flyer will come later it has to! These models are truly awesome just keep looking at the page trying to decide what to get, and to those that mentioned it that ship in the background looks epic!!!

lord_blackfang wrote:I didn't expect that much flesh on the walkers, it will take some getting used to.

You mean the floaters? Look again: no legs!

Oaka wrote:I dig the venom, as well. It does seem like they missed one thing, though, and that's by including three wyches with it rather than kabalites. But they may be able to be seamlessly included in regular wych units. I will wager that most venoms will end up having a trueborn gunner.

This was known since last year. People wanted hanging crew that was wyches. If you want kabalites you can use the ones from the raider. I am pretty sure people who are wanting to make wych covens, will trade their raider crew for venom crew.



All in all, I am very pleased with these models. Everything is past expectations. After looking at the Cronos, I am pretty sure the metal grotesques are going to be pretty awesome looking.


My only complaint is the venom looks a little too clean. However that is an easy fix with all the bitz you get from the ravager and raider sprues.

1.) My favorite is the Venom. Close to the artwork I already liked. And it transports 5, not 6 DE, with 2 on the wings, they fit perfectly. Note that it be build with open and closed canopy and with or without railing.
2.) Expected something more mechanical from the Talos/Cronos, not a Grotesque variant. Not bad, maybe I do a mechanical conversion from all the parts.
3.) Good that Scourges differ from the artwork, hated feathered bodies. Also prefer bat wings. Hope that there are enough of them on the sprue, fear not.
4.) Waited with buying standards for the battleforce, so I will take two.

I can honestly say I like the direction they are going with the 40k aesthetic, however i'm not really a fan of the bare-foot scourges...

Great releases! The scourges are my favorite I have to say, they have done a great job on the poses and variety that is included in the set.

The pain engine reminds me of something else, AT43 maybe? Nontheless, it is still an excellent model!

Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

The Dark Eldar range is a winner across the board and I've yet to see a mini for this that I didn't like.

The Pain Engines in particular, like maxxed out grotesques, are excellent.

I will also, like panic, be looking for a trade out on the bat wings though, as the feathered ones are much more interesting to me.


The Crow... Darker than The Bat.

I'm liking the look of all of this. Particularly the venom, very stripped back. You could imagine that bulleting across the battlefield and I'm sure a tactic that will get used.

The only ones i'm not really sold on the the scourges, I was expecting a more feral and dark sinister look. That way they would be more fitting with their fluff. These are more just dark eldar with wings. I'm not even keen on the idea of the bat wings.
Maybe I had too many preconceptions from the fluff.

Again let down by the birds, there is a growing theme here.

I love the Cronos - in fact all them.

Venom looks a little bland to me, but it's still very nice.

Would love to do an all-kabalite looking force now. Even do my Wyches up with Kabalites, just using CCWs and pistols... Hellions as CCW Scourges...

So the Dark Eldar line is still on a winning streak for me. Absolutely no models I don't like.

The Cronos in particular looks brilliantly creepy.

Maybe I am blind but how big are the engines? trying to gauge their size from the pictures but I am failing and I feel I have missed something important!

Great models as has been the case for all the new DE. I like the venom since I play Eldar, but it is very small for the amount of models it holds (granted so are all vehicles). This one just looks like a vyper without the weapons and guys hanging off the wings lol

Still cool tho and Im going to buy a few for Eldar

Mar wrote:Maybe I am blind but how big are the engines? trying to gauge their size from the pictures but I am failing and I feel I have missed something important!

I knoticed this too.

Looking at the pain engine and comparing with the size of the flying stand it is on, not as big as you might think. I'm imagining it at just a bit bulkier and about as tall as a hive tyrant. Maybe a bit bigger again.

Hard to judge seen as there arn't too many things in GW range that are a similar size.

Talos looks... Phyrexian...

The Engines aren't that big. For a size comparison, they're on the same sized flying base as a raider.

OMG the scourges are the most beautiful models i've ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3 boxes i think will do me.

IMO my vyper-venoms look fine compared to the new venom. Not a fan of the fleshy bits on the Engines either but i guess they can just be painted black.

I love that Talos, its INSANE! Lots of bitz!

It's kind of like a chaos spawn, but is actually useful (in game terms) , and has tons of bitz!

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Yet more pure sexual chocolate.

You called?

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It seems I may be the only one that's not too keen on the Talos; I love the Scourges however. These models keep making me want to start a DE army, but I don't even like the DE. Mission accomplished for GW; give Jes a raise.

Hmmm, well, I am planning my next project after deathwing ... and dark eldar are really peaking my interest for my 'evil' army.

It's about time!

I love them & am pleased that my internal prediction for the Battleforce was right

However I hate what I'm not seeing, my Wracks & Gortesques...damn them! The Talos/Cronus are sweet and the Scourges are beautiful.

=I= White-Wolf wrote: I also think it was a good idea for the two separate kits, if they were mixed I believe it would cost $96 austrlian or around there

Ummm they are the same kit.

Chin meets floor. Talos is sooooooooooo awesome.

This wave of new releases solidifies my opinion that the Dark Eldar currently consist of all the best models in 40k.

Those scourges are amazing, and I must buy at least two venoms.

Great! The talos could be good for kitbashing with the demon prince.

I'm loving the venoms for a Saim-Hann jetbike army. Just clip off the two splinter cannons, add some underslung shurikens and any heavy weapon, and you've got a barbaric craftworld look with those pikes and blades. The model is so small that it can be easily imagined as a support weapon vehicle rather than a transport.

Venoms are just ok for me, look a bit too craftworldy, and this is the first time I have seen a production model look almost identical to the conversions done by the community! Take a look at bushido's de venom thread in p and m... He nailed it months ago!

Although I am only lukewarm on the venoms, the scourges and talos/Cronos are pure 100% win in my book.

Great job gw and jes!

Razorwing at Warseer

Now, GW, just need plastic/resin Wracks and Grotesques and I will mail a signed blank cheque directly to you. Take as much money as you want.

EDIT: Oh my god those razorwings. I'm going to need like eleven of them.

A lot bulkier than I expected.

I am another one in the minority on the new look Talos; I'm not sure I really like it, as it's a bit too much like a Grotesque. I preferred the original mechanical scorpion look. The Cronos looks genuinely creepy, however, and matches its fluff very nicely.

I really like the Venom. It looks great - fast and minimalist, rather like an upscaled skyboard. I suspect I will be buying several of these. And although I wasn't that interested in the Scourges, having seen them I think they are very well done, and far more elegant and sinister than the artwork had suggested they would be. I think their feet are a bit big though.

Zweischneid wrote:Razorwing at Warseer

Nice find! It's quite cool, if a little too conventional looking. Hopefully the Voidraven, with its gunner's 'chrystal pod' forward of the cockpit, will look a bit more interesting. I also noticed that it has some very Eldar-y features, such as the engines. Overall, it looks more like an Eldar aircraft than a DE one.

Those talos....
take all my money GW, take it all

Seriously the Talos pain engine looks so ridiculously awesome that i'll get one even though I don't play Dark eldar

Spectacular release. Nothing disappoints. I wish I had the money to get two of each...

And I also like the new "vyper" windshield.

Zweischneid wrote:Razorwing at Warseer

I look at the Razorwings and had a nerdgasm. Just imagine what could be done with them! And imagine what Eldar will get at their update!

Oh wow...

No need to purchase mire FWflyers (Nightwing and Phoenix I have one of each), as that fighter puts the nightwing to shame!

I will however probably get another Voiddragon Phoenix...

Man I need to get my initial release dark eldar painted up so I can make some good excuses to buy all these. They are awsome! GW has come so far in their models it unbelievable. I sitting here looking at the old warrior models and there is just no comparison. I'm so glad they came out with venoms for a while I thought there were just trying to boost vyper sales.

Cronos, Talos and Razorwings: Wow. Just wow.

Scourges and Venom: Nice, but not mind-blowng. The venom looks a bit like expected. And I'm not crazy about the different wings in the Scourge box. Makes me wonder if there are 5 feathers wing sets and 5 bat wings sets.

Also, for the work-blocked, what all is in the Battleforce?

The Dark Eldar have come closer to getting me to buy new models than anything GW has produced in years. Just some really great looking models.

Battleforce is 10 warriors, 10 wyches, 3 reaver bikes and a raider.

£60.

Razorwings.
Oh, God!
Love!!!!!!!!!


I like everything in this current release. Of them all, though, the Venom is the most disappointing. I'd have preferred to see it look more... "gothic" (I guess) like a raider than Craftworldy.
I still like it, though.

This release is going to hurt.

Eric

Carlovonsexron wrote:Talos looks... Phyrexian...

Glad I'm not the only one who thought so! All I have to say is that every single one of these new models completely blew me away, I was almost drooling looking at the Talos/Cronos, I want to buy two kits and I've never even used one in a game.

I love the Venom, again, don't use them at all (yet) but I want to pick one up anyways.

The battleforce is awesome, such a good selection and a great price, if you ask me. If I don't get any Warriors or Wyches (well, maybe if I just don't get the Wyches) for my birthday, I'll definitely be picking up this box this summer. I could deal with having three squads of Warriors.

That Razorwing is flipping gorgeous.

Finally, the Scourges. I almost fell off my chair. Make fun of me if you want, but I'm going to honestly say that they are the most magnificent models I have ever seen. I was highly anticipating the release of them, I had outrageously high expectations for them, and even still, those expectations were shattered by the sheer incredible quality of these models. I noticed there's quite a mixed feeling about the feathered and bat wings. I love that they have both, I did NOT expect them to throw bat wings in with the Scourges. Beautiful execution.

I salute you, GWS, you've kept the Dark Eldar as the most awesome looking army in the game (my opinion!), I'm very proud to be a DE player.

All in all, this. This sums it up quite nicely.

Erasoketa wrote:

Edit: I NEED someone to show me a tutorial on how to paint the feathered wings like that. Stunning.

Zweischneid wrote:Razorwing at Warseer

I can't get on warseer at work, can someone copy/paste here?

All i gotta say is Trygon + Pain Engine... O the possibilities

wow the razorwing is great.. Very sleek as if they're saying "hey.. HEY this can be used for Eldar *hint hint*"

There you go, Gorechild. I am sooo buying these when they come, because I don't think I will be able to wait for eldar to get phoenixes.

Yep, I'm with Fragile Breath. The updated Dark Eldar line are the best looking models GW have ever produced, period.

Hell, DEldar are the only army I've started purely on the strength of how good the models are. They could be the least competitive army in the game, I'd still play them.

I'm speechless, GW have outdone themselves with these models - they look fantastic!

I really like the look of the new scourges, they look very impressive!!

Ok...I'm back on the bandwagon.

I can't believe it, the Scourges are somewhat reasonably priced. After some of the other recent new sets for other armies and price hikes on existing models, it's amazing.

yeah I've noticed that to

It seems Dark Eldar are the most reasonably priced army about even as a new release.
I think I may build up a little force soon for fun (all I have now is the codex and a couple of models to paint)

although their new battleforce @ £60 made me hmmm/urrr lol....the trend continues..

Dat Razorwing.

These models are enough to turn anyone into a Dark Eldar player. It's a beautiful machine.

I thought it was a Ravenwing? Razorwings are the little birds.

Well there goes my next paycheck. I am definitely getting some of these. I like my batwing model too, but I guess I will use it as a Voidraven and these others as Ravenwings.

Now if we could just get a pic of the wracks, grotesques, and possible homunculi.

And again!



These are great!

With the sheer range of great minis in the army, I can foresee getting a totally mixed army with not a sign of spammage so as to enjoy building and painting everything individually. Might not win much, but it will look amazing.

Just noticed something else, if I buy the Dark Eldar Cronos Parasite Engine, I can use the leftover Ichor injectors on my custom grotesques!

Lord Scythican wrote:I thought it was a Ravenwing? Razorwings are the little birds.

There's the Razorwing flocks, and the Razorwing jetfighters... A bit confusing, admittedly.

These models are enough to turn anyone into a Dark Eldar player. It's a beautiful machine.

So true, so true. I'm even thinking about starting them, because of everything they get being extremely gorgeous.

I'm majorly impressed with the new models. They all look fantastic, especially the Talos/Cronos - it just looks nasty.

I'm shocked that I'm saying this, but I'm sorely tempted to pick up a Battleforce and possibly get a small 1k point army together. Bad idea, but I am really loving these new models.

edit: And damn, just saw the Razorwing. That looks fething awesome. GW, you may have shamed me with the Grey Knights, but stop trying to call me in with all your beautiful DE! Curses!

Saintspirit wrote:There you go, Gorechild. I am sooo buying these when they come, because I don't think I will be able to wait for eldar to get phoenixes.

Thanks Saintspirit

BrassScorpion wrote:I can't believe it, the Scourges are somewhat reasonably priced.

It makes up for the over priced beastmaster travesty. I don't know if its just because I normally judge GW prices on a completely different scale to everything else, but I think all of these are really reasonably priced

Bits services are going to make a killing selling those Venom Wych riders. It looks like you'd need to use one Venom kit in order to outfit a single Raider and three for a Ravager.

Ugh, my planned transports are going to be expensive.

Saintspirit wrote:

Lord Scythican wrote:I thought it was a Ravenwing? Razorwings are the little birds.

There's the Razorwing flocks, and the Razorwing jetfighters... A bit confusing, admittedly.

These models are enough to turn anyone into a Dark Eldar player. It's a beautiful machine.

So true, so true. I'm even thinking about starting them, because of everything they get being extremely gorgeous.

Ahh that is were I was confused. Seems a lot of people are. I typed in voidraven/ ravenwing and I got a lot of hits on google. They really should have went with a different name.

Erasoketa wrote:

Beat me to it.

Seriously, June is going to be a rough month for my bank account. Even the Scourges and pain engines which I currently have no intention of playing with, I'm going to have to buy on account of sheer awesomeness.

Ulven wrote:I'm speechless, GW have outdone themselves with these models - they look fantastic!

This is pretty much how I feel right now.

Either that or I'm dead and seeing a unique version of Dakka in the Afterlife.

Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

BrassScorpion wrote:I can't believe it, the Scourges are somewhat reasonably priced. After some of the other recent new sets for other armies and price hikes on existing models, it's amazing.

$25 for 5 models is "somewhat reasonably priced"? I suppose compared to some of the latest releases for other armies, but that still seems pretty steep.

$25 for 5 models when the unit size is 3-10 isn't bad at all when you consider the size of them once the wings are thrown in.

It could have been $25 for 3. And then we would have had cries of 'boned!'.

I must be in the minority, I am very unimpressed with the Talos/Chronos. It's executed well, but I'm just not feeling the design. The old skin-flayed pilot design was silly, but I think the new brute with hockey mask design is just as silly. It's just a more stylish form of silly.

The Venom is nice.

The Scourges are really nice. Superb. In fact, I'd go so far as to say they represent an unsurpassed achievement in model making. These days when I look at a GW model, I can pretty much tell instantly if they are metal or plastic. Plastic models tend to reveal themselves by the way they are posed- in order to make plastics fit together in a variety of ways, some degree of natural human posing must usually be sacrificed. They rarely have a natural sense of motion. These Scourges look so natural I just presumed they were all-metal. To see they're actually an 80-piece plastic kit is astounding. I would love to see the bits and see how people do with assembling them- if there are just a couple combinations that work or if everyone can put together models looking that dynamic.

The Razorwing surprises me only that it doesn't look quite as bladey/pointy as I expected it to. It looks more like a legitimate aircraft. This is not a complaint by the way, just a surprise.

Wow, just wow! Jes continues his amazing work.

10/10, best models in any Codex.

To continue the bat theme, reminds me of this:



For those doing a super villian army, i'm looking at you Panic, this would make a fantastic conversion for a razorwing.

Or even better a DC inspired army mind.

Can't wait ! can't wait !
love the scourge gonna take 10
but the whyches on the venom are a bit silly, we mostly use venom for warrior and raider for wyches.

I am absolutely blown away by these models!

I'm exciited buy the picture on the scourge box, they actually come with an official Venom Blade! not a tough conversion from the power weapon that comes with everything else, but I always Like having the official versions.

my jaw dropped when I saw the Talos/Cronos. not at all what I was expecting, but so creepy that I can't help but love them! I've wanted to do a coven army since the codex came out and I think this just cemented the idea in my mind.

I love that the Venom looks pretty much perfect to the codex art, and also looks like a big version of the Hellion skyboard.

Soooo glad I just got a new job!

biccat wrote:Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

What model? I'm curious because if PP had models of this quality I might consider playing it (even if it is in metal )

@On Topic:

I love these models. I've been going back and forth with the idea of building an Admech force counts-as force for my DE but these models might make me use the real thing.....oh my imperial forces are gonna be sad if that happens.....

Kanluwen wrote:$25 for 5 models when the unit size is 3-10 isn't bad at all when you consider the size of them once the wings are thrown in.

It could have been $25 for 3. And then we would have had cries of 'boned!'.

hellions are $25 for 5 as well.

Im going to be making myself a squad of 10 scourges with hellglaves as I HATE the idea of 41st millenium soldiers going to battle on skyboards.

25$ for 5 jump pack models is actually a good deal considering the price now is 33$ for 5 (as per BA death company and GKs due to teleporter packs)

Well this is probably Jes GODwins Finest work he really is a master of models.

Jeez, Can't wait to see the rest of the line!

Finally a venom and a talos in plastic!

Hulksmash wrote:

biccat wrote:Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

What model? I'm curious because if PP had models of this quality I might consider playing it (even if it is in metal )

I suspect he's referring to some of the Cryxian helljacks. Some of the armor panelling is a bit similar.

me......those models are just brilliant! Got home and was like ho hum whats new with gw today, saw the pre-order and was gobsmacked.
Been looking for an excuse to redo my dark eldar (1st army I owned/played with) and those new models have just put the icing on the cake.

Big thumbs up

Wow, this is the first time I can ever remember where almost 100% of the comments are in favor of the models. Usually when new models are released, like 70% say they like it and around 30% don't. But this time, it's like 99% of the comments love the new models.

They do look awesome though. Makes me wish I played DE. Maybe I can kitbash the Talos/Cronos to make a hardcore Painboss or something. Hmm....I must think on this....

Wow. All these new pictures have instantly killed my hobby slump and I don't even play DE.

That razorwing is outstanding looking.

Best yet though, I can't wait to get a talos to make a new Slaanesh daemon prince. And here I thought my trygon tail prince was cool...

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:

biccat wrote:Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

What model? I'm curious because if PP had models of this quality I might consider playing it (even if it is in metal )

I suspect he's referring to some of the Cryxian helljacks. Some of the armor panelling is a bit similar.

Given how much PP has borrowed from GW, I think that's a fair exchange. And yes I know GW have taken ideas from lots of other sources.

Normally I'd be giddy over something as awesome as the Scourges, but I think the Talos and Cronos completely overshadows them imo. And unlike some of the other stuff (DreadKnight and the Clawed Fiend) it looks distinctly 40k as opposed to blurring the line between PP and it.

I looked at the Engines, and I must say, I now believe that there is something horrific enough that is neither Daemon nor Chaos, that warrants the attention of the Grey Knights. Seriously though? Those things look wicked evil.

Ok, just don't see it. But people pretty much see what they want to anyway so it doesn't really matter

Well, there goes money this summer for anything that isn't Dark Eldar.

May try to convert one of the Talos to move the hanging body into a more horizontal scorpion arrangement.

Wow. Just... wow. That's it - I'm getting into DE.

By the way, how awesome is that DE battlebox? 2 troops choices, a transport, and a fast attack option that are all decent in an actual army. Just toss in an HQ and you're good to go!

Anyone else look at the Scourges & think a potential Valkyia the Bloody?

gpfunk wrote:I looked at the Engines, and I must say, I now believe that there is something horrific enough that is neither Daemon nor Chaos, that warrants the attention of the Grey Knights. Seriously though? Those things look wicked evil.

Talos and Cronos are force weapon able. They dont last long.


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infinite_array wrote:Wow. Just... wow. That's it - I'm getting into DE.

By the way, how awesome is that DE battlebox? 2 troops choices, a transport, and a fast attack option that are all decent in an actual army. Just toss in an HQ and you're good to go!

would have been soooo much nicer if they had swapped out the reavers for scourges. Reavers are fun but not very competative. Also who doesnt have 10 reavers from the last battleforce.

warspawned wrote:Anyone else look at the Scourges & think a potential Valkyia the Bloody?

Indeed. The bat winged ones can also probably produce Vampire Heroes.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:

biccat wrote:Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

What model? I'm curious because if PP had models of this quality I might consider playing it (even if it is in metal )

I suspect he's referring to some of the Cryxian helljacks. Some of the armor panelling is a bit similar.

Yes, I was referring to the Cryxian Helljacks and Stalker. The armor and other parts are very reminiscent of Privateer Press. But then again, PP makes some of the best miniatures in wargaming, so I don't blame GW for trying to copy them.

I am disappointed to hear that the scourge models aren't 100% plastic. Hope that isn't true.

biccat wrote:
I am disappointed to hear that the scourge models aren't 100% plastic. Hope that isn't true.

Ummm...

Says right on the website that it's a Multipart Plastic kit. They tell us when it's Hybrid.

The scourges are lovely, and I might have to get some regardless of my (current) lack of a DE army.

The Talos/Chronos... is sort of disapointing. It looks too much like something from Warmachine.

Nice! love the scourges

the venom is ok... glad i converted my vypers into them.

Farmer wrote:Nice! love the scourges

the venom is ok... glad i converted my vypers into them.

I am glad I converted 3 because now if I buy 2 I will still have enough room to make 5 different looking ones.

Exergy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:$25 for 5 models when the unit size is 3-10 isn't bad at all when you consider the size of them once the wings are thrown in.

It could have been $25 for 3. And then we would have had cries of 'boned!'.

hellions are $25 for 5 as well.

Im going to be making myself a squad of 10 scourges with hellglaves as I HATE the idea of 41st millenium soldiers going to battle on skyboards.

Exactly: the Dark Eldar plastics seem to immune to the pricing of the rest of GW's lines; Grey Knight "jump infantry" are $33 for 5. The Scourges are the same price as Eldar Swooping Hawks, and the quality seems... higher, shall we say.

That is to say, for $5 per model, you can get this...

Or this,

To be fair, Swooping Hawks are really old models, and they're metal. Nonetheless, Scourges are just so much more awesome.

Incidentally, I think they were made by the same person in two different eras.

Nice stuff overall.

Weakest model is the Cronos for me, just because the descripton in the book was a crawling insectoid type thing, but I suppose thats the downside of combining two kits, better that than nothing.

Talos is great, Scourges are amazing, and Venom is nice, if a little Eldar looking, the farseer standing on the back idea could really work.

The Razorwing stands out as the best overall for me mind, beautiful model, can't wait to be facing multiples of them in Aurelia's army.

Yeah, the Swooping Hawks cry themselves to sleep.

People who pay attention to my posts (not many ) will know I bash GW continuously on the quality of their sculpts and work.....I'm blown away!!

Not just the latest stuff, but so far, eveyrthing in the line has been excellent. I already have a healthy DE army on the bubble, I was on the fence whether to continue...not anymore, these are by far GW's BEST work....ever.

I can see myself sinking some serious money into my DE army, and IMHO, this is the way GW MUST go in the future...there's almost nothing I can complain about with this miniature range....my god, it's so refreshing!! This even, (bite my tongue for saying this) overshadows the Infinity releases that are due to come out....(Oh, how I hate myself, Corvus Belli forgive me :( )

Well done GW, this time you deserve it!

ceorron wrote:To continue the bat theme, reminds me of this:



For those doing a super villian army, i'm looking at you Panic, this would make a fantastic conversion for a razorwing.

Or even better a DC inspired army mind.

This one is better:

As a dark eldar player, my thoughts.

Battleforce sucks. Mixing wyches and warriors is like putting tactical marines in the BA battleforce. Oh wait. But 95$ is pretty reasonable, and I'm sure I can find someone to trade me more wyches for the warriors. Reavers are a resounding fail on their part, but again, I'm sure I could chuck them for moar wyches.

Ideally, they could've made two battleforces, one for wych cults, and one for kabals.

Venom is GREAT. I just wish it was like five dollars cheaper. It's not much more than a vyper, which is 25$, right?

Scourges are great, although I'm just buying them for their arms, so a sprue shot would be great. I need at least two Cannons....Hmm.

Chronos and talos are magnificent, but I'm a bit confused. Both pages say

This multi-part plastic kit contains parts to make one Dark Eldar Talos Pain Engine or one Cronos Parasite Engine.

Does that mean both kits make both things, so you could have two taloses that look totally different? Are their some overlapping elements in the kit?

Awesome!!!

I know what i'm getting for my Birthdayyyy !

4x Scoruges my way Please ^^!

And 2 Venoms.

Vypers are $30, so the Venom is priced similarly. The Rhino and Trukk are $33, as is the Raider, so it's fine.

Everything is quite lovely in this release; everyone's already said anything that needs saying. That being said, I'm disappointed (not surprised, though) that the Scourges only have one of each weapon. Sorta lame. But since I planned on buying several boxes, it won't be an issue, but for those that wanted to buy five, now they have to hunt for bits (good luck finding Heat Lances or Haywire Blasters cheap...).

Skarboy wrote:Vypers are $30, so the Venom is priced similarly. The Rhino and Trukk are $33, as is the Raider, so it's fine.

Everything is quite lovely in this release; everyone's already said anything that needs saying. That being said, I'm disappointed (not surprised, though) that the Scourges only have one of each weapon. Sorta lame. But since I planned on buying several boxes, it won't be an issue, but for those that wanted to buy five, now they have to hunt for bits (good luck finding Heat Lances or Haywire Blasters cheap...).

Ah, thank you Never mind then, that's not too bad.

I wonder how I'll ever get those six Splinter Cannons I need.... There aren't any more plastic kits coming out, so I just have to keep buying warriors and scourges

The Talos is very cool, I may have to find a use for that.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:
The Razorwing stands out as the best overall for me mind, beautiful model, can't wait to be facing multiples of them in Aurelia's army.

There is a GW Razorwing model?

On page 4 or 5 of this thread, farmer. Go look.

Aww... no hammies? Sad face. That Pain Engine looks MEAN AS HELL, though! Very good job.

Wow, great looking new stuff. Makes me wish I started an army after all but I just have too much other stuff going on.

Well done Mr. Goodwin.

The Battleforce is a pretty good deal for those (like me) that held off on Dark Eldar. Get 3 Battleforces (if you're smart, you know how to get better than 20% Discount) gives you a start on a Kabal force AND a Wyche force, Raiders can do double duty and the Jetbikes are useful in both.

The Talos/Cronos looks like it can be magnetized.

2 boxes of Scourges that can do double duty then add Incubi/Mandrakes/Harliquins to taste.

The Talos and Chronos are very cool, and not what I expected at all. One of the coolest redesigns GW has done...

Samus_aran115 wrote:Chronos and talos are magnificent, but I'm a bit confused. Both pages say

This multi-part plastic kit contains parts to make one Dark Eldar Talos Pain Engine or one Cronos Parasite Engine.

Does that mean both kits make both things, so you could have two taloses that look totally different? Are their some overlapping elements in the kit?

It's one kit. You can build one version OR the other, as they seem to share the main body. I don't know why they've put two entries in the website, but if you look an the sprues and the box art, it's the same kit. Like this thing.

I see a Tyranid model in the Cronos and Talos. It would require a fair deal of cutting up and greenstuffing though.

I really like the Talos/Cronos kit. The scourges and venom look a bit corny at first glance IMHO.

My $.02

EDIT: Now that Razorwing -

I really love the Razorwing and Scourges, I'll be getting lots and will love painting them. The Venom is okay but I just can't see how it carries 6 (assuming 1 pilot): but its just about nice enough for me to overlook that.

JOHIRA wrote:I must be in the minority, I am very unimpressed with the Talos/Chronos. It's executed well, but I'm just not feeling the design. The old skin-flayed pilot design was silly, but I think the new brute with hockey mask design is just as silly. It's just a more stylish form of silly.

I'll join that minority with a curse at GW for not giving me the army without scratch-builds I was hoping for! I really hate these models, yes hate is a strong word but I can see horrific similarities to a few other models across both of GWs main ranges and it totally irritates me. The only thing I give the Talos is at least it resembles the book art. (I am glad however the book lists them as all different and individual for when I have to design/build my own.)

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote: Talos is great...

We shall be having words sir when you get home!!!

I am loving everything about this set of models, i dont use venoms in my army list but i'll buy just for the hell of it.

really want a voidraven tho so hoping that pops up soon

i will be buying everything, really needed this great boost to my DE army

the razorwing is nice - different enough from regular eldar.

i just can't get on board with the talos though. it looks too much like Warmachine stuff... and i know a lot of people like their stuff, but i think, on balance, that it's pants. i guess i will be scratchbuilding a talos after all...

So what happens to the all the converted venoms out there? Still usable ?
From what I have seen I like the converted venoms compaired to the actual models.

Zweischneid wrote:

Wow. I play Space Wolves and Chaos Space Marines and I want one of those Razorwings.

Hopefully that sentence alone should describe how impressed I am by that model.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Battleforce sucks. Mixing wyches and warriors is like putting tactical marines in the BA battleforce. Oh wait. But 95$ is pretty reasonable, and I'm sure I can find someone to trade me more wyches for the warriors. Reavers are a resounding fail on their part, but again, I'm sure I could chuck them for moar wyches.

Ideally, they could've made two battleforces, one for wych cults, and one for kabals

Yeah yeah yeah, then they could sell them at like... 5$ each right?!

My gripe with the talos is the tail just feels out of place on it. Will have to see if there's something that can be done about it once I have the model in hand.

The cronos I'm also not fond of simply because the tenticle arms look silly. The codex said it was insectoid and I was expecting an evil praying mantis type look.

I honestly wasn't expecting them to be built off a grotesque body to be honest. But I suppose that makes more sense then them being more mechanical in nature.

I don't have the codex at work, but was there a gunner on the venom in the artwork? I'm not sure I like the gunner on the vehicle at all.

The Scourges I like a lot. I was kinda expecting them to look a little less like warriors with wings then the turned out to be to show off their ghost armor. But they really are amazing. I foresee a lot of trouble pawning off the bat wings for more feathered wings though. Perhaps I'll buy 2 sets and convert one to look like evil banshees or something.

Now all those comments out of the way, all of the models are great looking. Just some weren't what I was expecting.

I love the engine models. Very nasty looking.

As I will be running a mech force I was most interested in the Venom. I like the model but as other have said it's more Eldar than Dark Eldar to me. But all in all I am just happy it's being released.

I would easily buy 3 Razorwings. Amazing sculpt! But does anyone have a competitive list that runs them or voids? Every list I see has the standard 3 ravagers. If they only made the fighters slightly cheaper in points I might be tempted.

Buzzsaw wrote:[
Exactly: the Dark Eldar plastics seem to immune to the pricing of the rest of GW's lines; Grey Knight "jump infantry" are $33 for 5. The Scourges are the same price as Eldar Swooping Hawks, and the quality seems... higher, shall we say.

Space Marines are a bit bigger than DE though, guess there is more plastic involved or something

maybe its that hellions are so cheap, 16 points a pop and not really any upgrades. You are supposed to run a squad of 20 and if they were $33 for 5 no one would consider them unless they came int he battle force. Like reaver jetbikes....

Tailgunner wrote:I am another one in the minority on the new look Talos; I'm not sure I really like it, as it's a bit too much like a Grotesque.

I think that's kind of the point. They're basically the pinnacle of Haemonculi fleshcrafting and technoarcane arts. Grotesques are pumped full of steroids and chemicals, etc., until they swell up and become hulking, monstrous things. The Talos and Cronos are probably unlucky souls that get further mutated and modified to become the floating, creepy bug things we see here.


...man, the DE are screwed up.

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Weakest model is the Cronos for me, just because the descripton in the book was a crawling insectoid type thing, but I suppose thats the downside of combining two kits, better that than nothing.

I agree. The Chronos was supposed to be a crawly insectoid robot, and smaller than the Talos... I guess they decided that's the direction they'll be taking Necrons though, and didn't want a unit looking too similar?

Venom is nice, if a little Eldar looking, the farseer standing on the back idea could really work.

I don't see that at all. To me the Venom is a Reaver Jetbike, only with wings. Too many sharp angles and not enough round edges to be Eldar.

Delephont wrote:People who pay attention to my posts (not many ) will know I bash GW continuously on the quality of their sculpts and work.....I'm blown away!!

Not just the latest stuff, but so far, eveyrthing in the line has been excellent. I already have a healthy DE army on the bubble, I was on the fence whether to continue...not anymore, these are by far GW's BEST work....ever.

I can see myself sinking some serious money into my DE army, and IMHO, this is the way GW MUST go in the future...there's almost nothing I can complain about with this miniature range....my god, it's so refreshing!! This even, (bite my tongue for saying this) overshadows the Infinity releases that are due to come out....(Oh, how I hate myself, Corvus Belli forgive me :( )

Well done GW, this time you deserve it!

Here's my theory on why DE have progressed beyond other armies as far as model quality: GW will not abandon the iconic appearance of their iconic army(or armies). For example, SMs have always looked cartoony and goofy, and despite Jes Goodwin's desires, GW will never let those models stray very far from cartoony and goofy. And so they haven't. DE, on the other hand, were never popular enough to have an iconic look in the first place, and thus the sculptors had the liberty to make them look as amazing as they wanted. They were never bound by GWs arbitration that new sculpts should look at least somewhat as gakky as they used to.

Daemon_Dave wrote:I love the engine models. Very nasty looking.

As I will be running a mech force I was most interested in the Venom. I like the model but as other have said it's more Eldar than Dark Eldar to me. But all in all I am just happy it's being released.

I would easily buy 3 Razorwings. Amazing sculpt! But does anyone have a competitive list that runs them or voids? Every list I see has the standard 3 ravagers. If they only made the fighters slightly cheaper in points I might be tempted.

Razorwings are competative. Those missiles wreck face. The razorwing also is only missing 1 DL and so it can be done. You just need more raiders less venoms and maybe an extra squad of true blasters.

Voidravens suck, their rules are terrible. You might as well just announce to your opponent you are going easy on them by giving them a 150+ point advantage by taking it.

They look great. Makes me want to play DE even though fast-moving shooty armies are a terrible match for my playstyle.

Time 2 Roll wrote:They look great. Makes me want to play DE even though fast-moving shooty armies are a terrible match for my playstyle.

cronos and talos are anything but fast and shooty.

Archonate wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Weakest model is the Cronos for me, just because the descripton in the book was a crawling insectoid type thing, but I suppose thats the downside of combining two kits, better that than nothing.

I agree. The Chronos was supposed to be a crawly insectoid robot, and smaller than the Talos... I guess they decided that's the direction they'll be taking Necrons though, and didn't want a unit looking too similar?

I just reread the entry for the Cronos and it doesn't actually say it crawls. It says it "resembles a giant biomechanical insect or spined parasite".

I think the problem is the little sketch they have, which sorta looks like a small version of the model, if it was stretched out and had bladed limbs instead of tentacles, but is probably just some doodle to fill up room on the page.

Foo wrote:

Archonate wrote:

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Weakest model is the Cronos for me, just because the descripton in the book was a crawling insectoid type thing, but I suppose thats the downside of combining two kits, better that than nothing.

I agree. The Chronos was supposed to be a crawly insectoid robot, and smaller than the Talos... I guess they decided that's the direction they'll be taking Necrons though, and didn't want a unit looking too similar?

I just reread the entry for the Cronos and it doesn't actually say it crawls. It says it "resembles a giant biomechanical insect or spined parasite".

I think the problem is the little sketch they have, which sorta looks like a small version of the model, if it was stretched out and had bladed limbs instead of tentacles, but is probably just some doodle to fill up room on the page.

I actually hate hat little drawing. I like the idea that Talos and Cronos look similar.


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i gotta say though, with these thigns being so fleshy
why dont they have the altered physice rule that starts them with a pain token...

I award one internet to the first person to Loot one of those fliers into a battlewagon!

Eric

I have to say I'm much more partial to the bat wings on scourges... And I am VERY impressed that GW considered that preference and provided accommodation! I was afraid I'd be forced to put up with feathered wings on my nice models. The feathered wings aren't bad, mind you... But bat wings seem so much more fitting for evil beings who live in the dark, imo.

Archonate wrote:I have to say I'm much more partial to the bat wings on scourges... And I am VERY impressed that GW considered that preference and provided accommodation! I was afraid I'd be forced to put up with feathered wings on my nice models. The feathered wings aren't bad, mind you... But bat wings seem so much more fitting for evil beings who live in the dark, imo.

I'll trade you my bat wings for your feathered wings.

Archonate wrote:I have to say I'm much more partial to the bat wings on scourges... And I am VERY impressed that GW considered that preference and provided accommodation! I was afraid I'd be forced to put up with feathered wings on my nice models. The feathered wings aren't bad, mind you... But bat wings seem so much more fitting for evil beings who live in the dark, imo.

The scourges were really made for you to buy 2 boxes so you have enough heavy weapons and so you can have one with bat wings and one with feather wings.

I use three voids (my proxies are fugly ) in my haemonculus list. I like them I grant they are fragile and a bit spendy, but they've more than made up for that in 'eep' factor against some of my local opponents

Ravagers are 'best' i grant you, but they don't really attact me as much as supersonic jetfighters and fighterbombers

*shrug* Each to their own. I save my competitive lists for tournaments anyway, and run what i please in friendly games

The new models look awesome. I'm going to have to sell the other kidney :(

Lord Scythican wrote:
This one is better:

Yeah that certainly takes the crown. I'd like to think that a conversion the other way might just take it back mind. If I get no takers may just have a go at this one myself just out of curiosity, and I don't play dark eldar.

I was looking for a pic from the classic film as the batplane swoops into the sky creating the batman sign using the moon but couldn't find a decent enough pic on the 'net.

Carlovonsexron wrote:Talos looks... Phyrexian...

Agreed. And I love it.


These models make me want to start DE, and I had 0 desire to do so before. This doesn't usually happen.

With all the extra bits the talos has you can convert your own hemmy and the razorwing may be released as two vehicles like the talos. The whole DE line is very cheap cause if you buy it on the warstore $36 is the most expecive priced DE model. I will be buying four boxes of scourges at $19 a box.

Platuan4th wrote:

Archonate wrote:I have to say I'm much more partial to the bat wings on scourges... And I am VERY impressed that GW considered that preference and provided accommodation! I was afraid I'd be forced to put up with feathered wings on my nice models. The feathered wings aren't bad, mind you... But bat wings seem so much more fitting for evil beings who live in the dark, imo.

I'll trade you my bat wings for your feathered wings.

It might be too son to say as we still haven't seen the Scourges sprues, but the box art show 3 feathered wings and 2 bat wings. If the box includes 5 wing sets for 5 bodies... that'll make the dealing harder. The sprue should have 3 of each to be fair.

There are at least 4 different sets of feather wings if you check all the pics carefully.

lord_blackfang wrote:There are at least 4 different sets of feather wings if you check all the pics carefully.

Hmm... I'm seeing 3 sets. The Squad leader set, the "more spread" set in the DL and Haywire Blaster guys and a "less spread" set in the Splinter Carbine and Heat Lance guys.

Erasoketa wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:There are at least 4 different sets of feather wings if you check all the pics carefully.

Hmm... I'm seeing 3 sets. The Squad leader set, the "more spread" set in the DL and Haywire Blaster guys and a "less spread" set in the Splinter Carbine and Heat Lance guys.

Same.

I am overall really happy with this release.

The Talos and Chronos both take the cake for coolest looking in my book. I'm a little disappointed that they were not packaged together but I probably wouldn't use the Chronos much anyway so it's something I can just avoid buying for now.

The Venom is meh, but I'm so happy that there is a venom model now that I'm preordering six of them.

Absolutely love the Scourges and must get at least four boxes, maybe more.

I have no need for the battleforce as I've already purchased more of everything in there than I will evr need but I wanted to comment on it. As far as Battleforces go, I think that the DE one has a really good mix of models that are actually usable than many others.

I think that so far GW has really knocked the entire DE line out of the ballpark. Both in sculpt and in timeliness of releases. DE really deserved it though, considering how long they sat in limbo.

biccat wrote:Apart from the Talos/Pain engine (almost a complete ripoff of Privateer Press), I love the models. The scourges are particularly nice.

BrassScorpion wrote:I can't believe it, the Scourges are somewhat reasonably priced. After some of the other recent new sets for other armies and price hikes on existing models, it's amazing.

$25 for 5 models is "somewhat reasonably priced"? I suppose compared to some of the latest releases for other armies, but that still seems pretty steep.

Are you ok? with math and etc? Because 15,50GBP is cheaper then even basic Assault marines, and at least 25% cheaper then all latest 5 man boxes for any SMurfs..

People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

Models are gorgeous, but i liked more - cronos in DE book (some crawling insect)

augustus5 wrote:I am overall really happy with this release.

The Talos and Chronos both take the cake for coolest looking in my book. I'm a little disappointed that they were not packaged together but I probably wouldn't use the Chronos much anyway so it's something I can just avoid buying for now.

Wait. Wut?

The Fragile Breath wrote:People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

I can't believe I wondered why the sprues were the same until I was told this.

I may just have to resort to a life of crime if it means I can have a Dark Eldar army. Damn I want to field an army of nothing but Talos and Cronos. Damn!

The new kits looks awesome. Especially like the Talos/Chronus and the feathered wings on the Scourges should be useful.

baron deathnyx wrote:With all the extra bits the talos has you can convert your own hemmy and the razorwing may be released as two vehicles like the talos. The whole DE line is very cheap cause if you buy it on the warstore $36 is the most expecive priced DE model. I will be buying four boxes of scourges at $19 a box.

FWIW, 25% off at Miniature Market & free shipping over $75!

The Fragile Breath wrote:People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

Why they showed them as two separate pages?

Probably so people can see the Talos and Cronos in each setup.

warpcrafter wrote:I may just have to resort to a life of crime if it means I can have a Dark Eldar army. Damn I want to field an army of nothing but Talos and Cronos. Damn!

I've heard that certain jobs pay pretty good.

Exergy wrote:

Buzzsaw wrote:[
Exactly: the Dark Eldar plastics seem to immune to the pricing of the rest of GW's lines; Grey Knight "jump infantry" are $33 for 5. The Scourges are the same price as Eldar Swooping Hawks, and the quality seems... higher, shall we say.

Space Marines are a bit bigger than DE though, guess there is more plastic involved or something

maybe its that hellions are so cheap, 16 points a pop and not really any upgrades. You are supposed to run a squad of 20 and if they were $33 for 5 no one would consider them unless they came int he battle force. Like reaver jetbikes....

I think you're pretty much on the money in your last sentence. I don't work for GW, nor do I actually know how they run their business, but it seems that their products are based partially on their in-game cost (roughly speaking). You could say with great certainty that most people will field less Terminators than regular marines. The production costs (designwork, molds, material, shipping, boxing, art etc) are probably in the same region, yet Terminators are almost 2,5 times more expensive than a regular marine. It's probably about wanting a similar return on investment on their various products, or in other words: "You'll be fielding more of the cheap ones than the expensive ones".

I'm very tempted to buy a kit or two just because they look so cool. Maybe I'll get my paws on a box of Hellions in the near future.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Dark_Eldar/DARK-ELDAR-RAVEN-FIGHTER.html

Don't have the Codex, I know this one isn't in it, but is it a decent stand in for either flyer?

The FW Raven Fighter is more styled for the old DE. It'll still make an OK stand-in for either flyer though.

Absolutely loving the Talos/Cronos however as someone edging towards a Haemonculi Coven themed army does anyone know if Wracks / Grotesques are getting their own models?(heard there was another release for June 24th).

Kanluwen wrote:

The Fragile Breath wrote:People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

Why they showed them as two separate pages?

Probably so people can see the Talos and Cronos in each setup.

Yes but...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440062a&prodId=prod790879
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat570034a&prodId=prod1190053a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat570034a&prodId=prod1190056a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440084a&prodId=prod290024a
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440300a&prodId=prod340015a

It doesn't seem hard to see with this other kits. Maybe Little Timmy thinks different?

Im a DE player and I absolutely HATED the old range, they look just awful, so to see the razorwing looking like that (exactly how I hoped it would) and not like even the slightest like the forgeworld fighter (cant remember if its called a razorwing) makes me so much happier!

The Fragile Breath wrote:People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

Seriously. It says it comes with the parts to make either one!

There must be enough confusion that they've changed it, though. The link now says "Dark Eldar Talos Pain / Cronos Parasite Engine".

Yes, in the Spanish version they still haven't changed the name of the kit (it's only shown as Talos Pain Engine), but they have put together both texts and pics.

Cerebrium wrote:

The Fragile Breath wrote:People, people, people. I'm not being nasty, I'm just putting this in bold in hopes that people see it.

Fret not, the Talos and Cronos are one set. Why they show them as two separate pages is beyond me, but they are indeed one combined set.

I can't believe I wondered why the sprues were the same until I was told this.

That's quite all right, I wondered for so long, I kept saying to myself: "Why are they separate kits?! They're so similar!" until I saw that it says they're one kit.

Kan: I do understand that, but I think having two pictures but listing them as "Talos/Cronos" would make more sense.

Mantle wrote:Im a DE player and I absolutely HATED the old range, they look just awful, so to see the razorwing looking like that (exactly how I hoped it would) and not like even the slightest like the forgeworld fighter (cant remember if its called a razorwing) makes me so much happier!

I agree completely. I held off getting Dark Eldar when I started 40k. I went with Chaos due to the horrid aesthetic of the old dark eldar models.

Erasoketa wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:There are at least 4 different sets of feather wings if you check all the pics carefully.

Hmm... I'm seeing 3 sets. The Squad leader set, the "more spread" set in the DL and Haywire Blaster guys and a "less spread" set in the Splinter Carbine and Heat Lance guys.

You appear to be correct, but the "more spread" set appears twice in the same picture. I think GW typically only shows the contents of a single box, so unless someone mixed up the models from multiple sets by mistake, there should be at least 2 of that set and 1 of each of the other two sets in the box. Here's hoping.

I just want the feathered wings.

WOW...I love the razorwing. I mean I just love it.

lord_blackfang wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:There are at least 4 different sets of feather wings if you check all the pics carefully.

Hmm... I'm seeing 3 sets. The Squad leader set, the "more spread" set in the DL and Haywire Blaster guys and a "less spread" set in the Splinter Carbine and Heat Lance guys.

You appear to be correct, but the "more spread" set appears twice in the same picture. I think GW typically only shows the contents of a single box, so unless someone mixed up the models from multiple sets by mistake, there should be at least 2 of that set and 1 of each of the other two sets in the box. Here's hoping.

I hope you're right, the more the better! It should be the motto for multipart plastic kits!

and out of left field is my day made! wow. was not expecting this release for another week or so. not even an incoming email. sneaky buggas.

everything looks absoultly awsome, and ill be grabbing pretty much everything they put out. if the trend continues i cant wait to see the next wave of DE models....just and with the plastic talos/chronos it seems more likley to be getting plastic grotesques and wracks, as they share alot of simaler components just on a smaller scale.

well done Jes and GW. keep it up.

With this... Any idea on when they'll show the rest of the models coming out later in June?

Two weeks, I guess?

And my Tyranids still haven't gotten their other models yet.

The Fragile Breath wrote:With this... Any idea on when they'll show the rest of the models coming out later in June?

IIRC in November the preorders for the second half of the releases were online the same day that the first half was finally available in stores, maybe 2 days later. So... In addition to that I asked the same on page 1 of this thread and RedS8n Answered:

reds8n wrote:

Erasoketa wrote:Back in November, in the first wave, they splitted the releases in 2 dates, as they use to, and the preorders were splitted too.

Do you dakkaites think that we will see more stuff in preorder when this kits finally hit the shelves? I'm pretty worried about this because I really wanted a flyer :S

yes.

If not before maybe.

Odd, I thought they were available before the first set was available in stores. I ask because I think I may wait to order my Scourges and get them at the same time as anything from the second set that I want from thewarstore.

I just spilt a whole lot of skull white on the inside of my boxers, if you'll excuse the crudeness (surely you're getting used to it now though?)

I need SO much cash its unfair. 1 talos, 1 cronus, 2 squads scourges, 1 battleforce, 2 venoms, 1 incubi squad and 1 mandrake squad... total of £242.50 EXCLUDING the cost of that drop-dead-get-reanimated-by-the-haemonculus-and-drop-dead-again gorgeous razorwing.

And here's me wondering how to fill a 1000 point tournament list! Im gonna struggle with what NOT to include after all this!

Worglock wrote:

warpcrafter wrote:I may just have to resort to a life of crime if it means I can have a Dark Eldar army. Damn I want to field an army of nothing but Talos and Cronos. Damn!

I've heard that certain jobs pay pretty good.

Hardy-harr-harr. I've got two jobs already, no time for a third.

Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

lord_blackfang wrote:Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

Even more enraging: Only 1 of each non-shardcarbine option!

Platuan4th wrote:

lord_blackfang wrote:Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

Even more enraging: Only 1 of each non-shardcarbine option!

The sprue pics in question;





Yup, looks like feathers will have to trade...

Interesting, I count 8 different heads, 5 torsos (looks like 2 female), and, IMO, the most amazing agonizer so far...

Edit: Nope! I missed one, 9 heads it seems.

Holy Moly! Looks Incredible!!!!

Buzzsaw wrote: IMO, the most amazing agonizer so far...

Absolutely agree there pal

Where is the Haemonculi?! I thought they were pretty much 100% gauranteed for this 2nd wave of DE. Are Haemmies getting delayed?

Time to start that DE army.

No, seriously. As soon as I saw that Pain Engine, I asked "Where do I sign up?".

Once I finish painting my chaos fantasy army, I am starting DE. Until then, SAVE!

Hopefully someone will be willing to trade the wytches in the battleforce for some more warriors...

Kurce wrote:Where is the Haemonculi?! I thought they were pretty much 100% gauranteed for this 2nd wave of DE. Are Haemmies getting delayed?

There's been talk of an in betweeny release between this one and the next.

My theory is that the Ravenwing is the in betweener, followed by the Haemies at the end of June. Perhaps not what GW were hoping, but maybe they had to shuffle them around, not sure if a week or 2 would make a huge difference at this stage of the game though.

Concerning further Dark Eldar releases:
Keep in mind that the big metal/resin/whatever news will be released with an extra email newsletter next Monday. Until then no news on non-plastic models. We don't even have information of the GW release next week, that have to be ordered by stores on said Monday.
As Wracks and Grotesques are supposedly non-plastic as well, this affects the news on them, too.

Concerning further Dark Eldar releases:
Keep in mind that the big metal/resin/whatever news will be released with an extra email newsletter next Monday. Until then no news on non-plastic models. We don't even have information of the GW release next week, that have to be ordered by stores on said Monday.
As Wracks and Grotesques are supposedly non-plastic as well, this affects the news on them, too.

Thanks for the info! Looks like we will have to wait and see until next week. I have considered just buying 6 Urien's and just playing them as regular hammies. I don't like the old Hammies they have on their site. They look really ugly and dumb. Urien, on the other hand, looks like one mean son of a gun.

Those Scourge sprues are -ing sexy. It sucks there aren't enough wings to do all an all feathered squad.

Looks like there is always going to be a short supply of Blasters.

Sasori wrote:Looks like there is always going to be a short supply of Blasters.

I'm sure GW will be more than willing to release a 4 metal version bitz kit for a moderate($20) fee like Meltas and Plasmas.

The scourges and Talos/Cronos are truly, truly beautiful models... I am really impressed with GW right now, esp as we get more and more close looks. The Cronos 360 on the GW site is particularly awesome!

Regarding the Razorwing, I am nearly positive that it is a dual CW/DE kit. Nothing in the sillouette screams DE to me in particular, and with a simple paint and weapon swap, I would have no problems accepting it as a CW model. In fact, if you look closely at the pics, it appears to have plenty of soulstones on it, just painted up as hull color for DE... I dunno, I could be way off...

Wow, those Scourges look amazing; so glad I decided to wait instead of convert some.

The Razorwing looks nice, but I think the Scourges stole the show for me. I'm really surprised they look so brilliant.

Platuan4th wrote:

Sasori wrote:Looks like there is always going to be a short supply of Blasters.

I'm sure GW will be more than willing to release a 4 metal version bitz kit for a moderate($20) fee like Meltas and Plasmas.

What has the hobby come to when $5 for a metal bit is moderate

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to showcase plastics. How is this going to work as far as distribution? Ae we looking at a limited run? Direct Sales?


I've seen that Homoculous is already out. Our local shop had some of them and they looked just like the old one in a new blisterpack. The named one was a little bit bigger, but not by much maybe a couple of mm. He still had his lament box, as well. Had him up there along side the new Lilith Hesperex.


About the range in general? It looks great. No complaints, if they can keep the consistancy, of course it's too bad they are so pip to pop the resins... It won't do those sprues a bit of good, and I can already see the prices !@#$ing up the roof.

I was going to pick up a box or two of those witches, until I saw them up over the 30 buck mark.


Good looking figs, either way.

ph34r wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Sasori wrote:Looks like there is always going to be a short supply of Blasters.

I'm sure GW will be more than willing to release a 4 metal version bitz kit for a moderate($20) fee like Meltas and Plasmas.

What has the hobby come to when $5 for a metal bit is moderate

I won't lie, it's silly, but still cheaper than many other hobbies. I remember paying $60 for a slick 3" pneumatic ram as part of a paintball guns forward pneumatics (not including the 3-way switcher or pressure regulator) and then another $10 for two quick exhaust valves for the ram. don't even get me started on $400 electronic trigger assemblies.

Only 4 Shard Carbines... I will need more.

Looks like bad news on a possible Wracks/Grotesque release in June:

Frgt/10 wrote:

deadly claris wrote:but no wraks/grotesks ?

they were never coming
i think i've mentioned that several hundred times now in several threads...

ghost21 wrote:

Ba'al Starslayer wrote:My impression was that Wracks and Grots were delayed for the Resin-changeover? Not that I'm doubting what you're saying (I would love them to be in 2 weeks with the Fighter) but I'm just keeping cautious in respect to the release dates on these two.

i realy doubt they will be in 2 weeks the fighter yes the wracks no

Good thing then that lumbering meat balls don't fit my DE army theme and I will use proxies anyway

Oh, and the "What's new" article is up. Not much info but at least a 3d rotating image of the Cronos:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400030a

Scottywan82 wrote:Only 4 Shard Carbines... I will need more.

There are five in the kit, one appears on the second sprue randomly with the solarite gear.

Yes all five shard carbines are included with one of all weapon uprades.

Wow all those models look amazing I particularly like the swoopi... Scourges! but that pain engine is creepy as hell, I love it! whilst the first wave was great it didn't whet my appetite for them but these models are pushing my buttons quite hard! maybe i'll grab some to paint up.

Mr Nobody wrote:And my Tyranids still haven't gotten their other models yet.

Remember, Tyranids do not sell well atm because of how the codex was done. But I know several people at my FLGS that will love this.
(sorry, on my phone if anything is wrong)

Kroothawk wrote:*snip*

Mind if I ask, any idea on what we're looking at for the rest of the releases? It'll help me decide if I should wait on the Scourges or not.

Hmm, pain engines look like Cryx warjacks...

Wow love all the models, bit miffed I made some changes to my homebuilt venom at the weekend only to find that the kit has 2 options for cabin glass!

Zyllos wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:And my Tyranids still haven't gotten their other models yet.

Remember, Tyranids do not sell well atm because of how the codex was done. But I know several people at my FLGS that will love this.
(sorry, on my phone if anything is wrong)

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the reason Tyranids aren't selling is also because the new must-have units just don't have models. Tyrannofexes and Tervigons are seen as the two new MCs that you have to use, yet there's no models and even no examples of how to convert one. Then the Tyranid Prime everyone seems to think doesn't have a model, and you've got a codex with rules but no models for the units everyone wants.

-Loki- wrote:

Zyllos wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:And my Tyranids still haven't gotten their other models yet.

Remember, Tyranids do not sell well atm because of how the codex was done. But I know several people at my FLGS that will love this.
(sorry, on my phone if anything is wrong)

I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the reason Tyranids aren't selling is also because the new must-have units just don't have models. Tyrannofexes and Tervigons are seen as the two new MCs that you have to use, yet there's no models and even no examples of how to convert one. Then the Tyranid Prime everyone seems to think doesn't have a model, and you've got a codex with rules but no models for the units everyone wants.

Pretty much. Even harpies don't have models, and those are used moderately often in lists.

HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.


Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

jmurph wrote:Hmm, pain engines look like Cryx warjacks...

I was going to say the new Wraith Engine myself.

Oh no whatever will space marines do without those other space marine models.

I kid, I kid.

Still, every new dark eldar model is amazing. All of them.

Oh, and I continue to be sad hearing that Wracks and Grotesques are going to be metal (or whatever) because I would love to do a Coven army and want the MUCH greater customizability and bitz options of GWs plastic kits.

All of kits are f'n amazing. I don't remember the last time I've been so please with an army release. I hope they finish up with another wave of missing models. All of the plastics in this army are phenominal. I don't play DE, but I buy the kits just to paint. I'm slowly coming to the descision that I'm going to take up a new DE army!!

I wish they had more sculptor's - they could work on Tyranid and Space wolves to apease that fanbase.

-Mighty G

MajorTom11 wrote:Regarding the Razorwing, I am nearly positive that it is a dual CW/DE kit. Nothing in the sillouette screams DE to me in particular, and with a simple paint and weapon swap, I would have no problems accepting it as a CW model. In fact, if you look closely at the pics, it appears to have plenty of soulstones on it, just painted up as hull color for DE... I dunno, I could be way off...

Hmmmm... I'm not entirely convinced, but I certainly know what you mean; some of those weapons and the front half of the Razorwing in particular looks very Craftworld Eldar-ish; you know, you could be right Tom, but I'm not sure about some of the spikey bits, but I suspect they could work similar to the attachment of the railing on the Venom. Good call Tom; you could be onto something. At the very least it could be quite an easy conversion.

Kroothawk; any feedback on this thought please?

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.


Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

you realize some of us DE players started at the beginning of 3rd edition and didnt get any models or even a codex update for 12 years right. Totally forgotten.

Zyllos wrote:
Remember, Tyranids do not sell well atm because of how the codex was done. But I know several people at my FLGS that will love this.
(sorry, on my phone if anything is wrong)

Source? You're stating this as a fact and I'd like some evidence.

MightyGodzilla wrote:I wish they had more sculptor's - they could work on Tyranid and Space wolves to apease that fanbase.

It's not the number of sculptors (no apostrophe) but the amount of plastic GW is budgeted to produce per year. They can only have so many sprues while staying under budget.

These models are sick. Really love the theme we're seeing in the coven stuff. Reminds me of the Strogg from Quake II, and I loved their design. Also very impressed with the Venom. Was looking at the codex picture the other day and it looked a bit out of theme from the raider models and I am happy to see they tied the styles together beautifully. The scourges were some of the last models I had intended to collect, if ever, but seeing these - I'll be buying my fair share, and sooner than anticipated - they are simply amazing.

Just Dave wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:Regarding the Razorwing, I am nearly positive that it is a dual CW/DE kit. Nothing in the sillouette screams DE to me in particular, and with a simple paint and weapon swap, I would have no problems accepting it as a CW model. In fact, if you look closely at the pics, it appears to have plenty of soulstones on it, just painted up as hull color for DE... I dunno, I could be way off...

Hmmmm... I'm not entirely convinced, but I certainly know what you mean; some of those weapons and the front half of the Razorwing in particular looks very Craftworld Eldar-ish; you know, you could be right Tom, but I'm not sure about some of the spikey bits, but I suspect they could work similar to the attachment of the railing on the Venom. Good call Tom; you could be onto something. At the very least it could be quite an easy conversion.

Kroothawk; any feedback on this thought please?

For what it is worth (that is, not much!), I agree with Tom - it looks very Craftworld Eldar to me too!

Maybe with some sort of weapons/add-on sprue, down the road?

After seeing these, my gf's Kabalite Warriors may be getting some friends... disguised as Birthday, Anniversary and Xmas presents...

On the models themselves:

Talos and friends - very nice concepts, even better boxed set full fo extra bits to use for conversions in AdMEch and Slaaneshi armies.

Scourges are so-so, but allow plenty of bits for non-DE conversions.

Im just wondering is DC Comics will stir up a C&D letter concerning the not-Batwing... seriously, when I was a kid I had a larger version of that after the Batman Returns/Batman and Robin cinema releases.

jmurph wrote:Hmm, pain engines look like Cryx warjacks...

Yeah, I'm hoping not to start a GWS\PP holy war or anything, but when I first saw the new Talos, I immediately thought wow, that looks like a warjack without legs. They really went in a different direction. I like it, though I also did like the mechanical scorpion, too.

I can't believe how good the quality on this entire line has been (with two notable exceptions). I always though DE were the second lamest faction (with Eldar being the lamest), but the new aesthetics they've added have made them, in my opinion, one of the best looking. Maybe even second best looking, after the new Grey Knights (who have their own notable exception).

im still not thinking the wracks and grotesques will be metal. looking at the talos kit in plastic, and alot of the bits and whatnot could easilly be the same for wracks. just smaller. i believe we will see plastic hamey units soon enough, alongside the flyers. (characters will be metal though). im also sort of wondering if we will see any other special characters come out? like malys or vect?

Exergy wrote:

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.


Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

you realize some of us DE players started at the beginning of 3rd edition and didnt get any models or even a codex update for 12 years right. Totally forgotten.

Dude we are in the same boat. I remmber when the old SW codex came out in 2000. Hell we still got 2nd Ed guys. and I think the next time we will get a new codex in 6-7 years.

But still love these guys.

Love the new stuff, but very disappointed in the lack of Wracks. Guess it's time to turn some old warriors into counts-as or something :/

The cronos and talos are.... INSANELY AWESOME! Want!

Looking at the sprues I can see 5 Shard Carbines? That should make a lot of people very happy.

MajorTom11 wrote:I am really impressed with GW right now, esp as we get more and more close looks.

Which really just makes you wonder what the hell happened with some of their recent releases.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Looking at the sprues I can see 5 Shard Carbines? That should make a lot of people very happy.

MajorTom11 wrote:I am really impressed with GW right now, esp as we get more and more close looks.

Which really just makes you wonder what the hell happened with some of their recent releases.

Cuz it got the Ward Treatment... which means flying dreadnaughts and matrix rehashes. Oh, need I mention the infantry sized daemon prince on steroids?

In the interest of not turning this into a GK, BA or Ward-bashing thread (however much I'd like to do all three of those things), I do have a serious question related to model design:

Who designed the current GK range?

And what sculptors besides Jes did the new DE range (I'm pretty sure Juan did some of the metals)?

H.B.M.C. wrote:In the interest of not turning this into a GK, BA or Ward-bashing thread (however much I'd like to do all three of those things).

It's okay. Almost every thread should turn into a GK, BA, or Ward-bashing thread. We must look out for our hobby.

H.B.M.C. wrote:In the interest of not turning this into a GK, BA or Ward-bashing thread (however much I'd like to do all three of those things), I do have a serious question related to model design:

Who designed the current GK range?

And what sculptors besides Jes did the new DE range (I'm pretty sure Juan did some of the metals)?

I don't have the Grey Knights White Dwarf issue with me in work, so someone else will have to confirm it, but i'm pretty sure that Jes did the major concept design for the Dreadknight, before someone else knocked the actual kit up.

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lord_blackfang wrote:Dang, Scourge sprues are now up and it's only 3/2 wing sets.

Even more enraging: Only 1 of each non-shardcarbine option!

Both suck a lot. At least they are good looking, not too expensive, and sprues have 5 carbines.

WAAAAAGH!!! can't wait....need all of it for my wych/heamonculus army....

Aha! Now they combined the Talos and Cronos entry into one.

The models are absolutely great.

How about Wracks?

wuestenfux wrote:The models are absolutely great.

How about Wracks?

Dont worry, apparently there's still another subwave release a bit later.

Deathly Angel wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:The models are absolutely great.

How about Wracks?

Dont worry, apparently there's still another subwave release a bit later.

Another subwave? Didn't realize this.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:I am really impressed with GW right now, esp as we get more and more close looks.

Which really just makes you wonder what the hell happened with some of their recent releases.

Hey, the stormraven gets a solid "okay" in my book. The dreadknight however...well you can always recycle plastic, so it has that going for it.

And to answer your question, because Jes is only one man and he can't sculpt every model himself. Even though we really, really want him to.

And to answer your other question: Jes Goodwin, Tom Walton, Alex Hedstrom, Juan Diaz, Oliver Norman, Aly Morrison.

Also, seems all the people who said the talos/cronos wouldn't be a combined kit because the cronos would be too small (since it's called a "parasite" engine and obviously that means tiny) were wrong.

Since when has parasite meant tiny? It just means it sits on the couch all day eating tater chips while the roomy does stuff.

Just looked back through the 10 pages, so sorry if I missed it:

Does anyone know when these advance orders are shipping?

I love those scourges...best models I've ever seen. They make my craftworlders have very painful blue-balls to be redone
The hawks and banshees look like the fat girl who didn't get a date to the prom compared to all the wonderful DE.

Tyrolean wrote:The hawks and banshees look like the fat girl who didn't get a date to the prom compared to all the wonderful DE.

Think you're suffering from a case of new model rapture here. Certainly the most recent Banshee sculpts stand up fairly well IMHO.

ph34r wrote:Just looked back through the 10 pages, so sorry if I missed it:

Does anyone know when these advance orders are shipping?

Website says they'll be released June 4th.

Sweet, just looked at the scourge sprues. A twin-tailed agonizer and what finally appears to be a venom blade, judging from the capillaries on the side.

Flashman wrote:

Tyrolean wrote:The hawks and banshees look like the fat girl who didn't get a date to the prom compared to all the wonderful DE.

Think you're suffering from a case of new model rapture here. Certainly the most recent Banshee sculpts stand up fairly well IMHO.

They're alright, they just.....well I'd most likely just get scourges and wych bits and make my own banshees, much sleeker



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Don't get me wrong, I still like the banshees and all Eldar for that matter. Dark Eldar just make the entire CW Eldar infantry line cry themselves to sleep at night....in a good way. Eldar will look fantastic once they're eventually redone.

OT: I can't wait to see wracks, those are going to be amazing. I'm having a very hard time not buying up all the DE I can

It's the chunky Aspect armour you see. They're sensual little minxes when the bodysuits come off.

The Chronos parasite engine is another model I really want to convert for my Nurgle army.

army310 wrote:HMMMM I now truly hate Dark Eldar you get your 3rd wave and I'm still waiting to get my 2nd wave for Space Wolves.


Ok hating done this stuff looks great and for really makes me want to play Dark Eldar.

Why do people think SW need a 2nd wave? The only model that isn't supported is the TWC IMHO and apparently they're on their way...

Flashman wrote:It's the chunky Aspect armour you see. They're sensual little minxes when the bodysuits come off.

*sigh* Indeed lol

Reports on Warseer are that the Razorwing will only be £25.50. Excellent, i'll take 2 (from Wayland Games )

Valkyrie prized, not £25.50.

Sweet googly moogly... just saw the pics in my inbox this morning, these DE releases are top notch.

Kroothawk wrote:Valkyrie prized, not £25.50.

HerrDusty on Warseer wrote:It'll actually be cheaper than the Valkyrie, it'll be £25.50, I read my local GW's product brief, I was very pleasantly suprised.

*Shrugs* Rumours are rumours.

All amazing, the venom is a bit meh to me, ive seen better converted ones. Now were are those WRACKS!?