Something i find odd is that for a company that tries to be more open than GW they haven't really shown anything substantial Model wise.

They have revealed the rules Beta which i think is great but come on, October isn't that far off show us some masters already.

I've played a test game of this with my warhammer models and a few units.

The game was more complicated than KoW but much simpler than 40K, and honestly I'd say more fun, while the not removing models thing was odd in my small game, though I had a feeling in a noticably bigger game, with more big guns it would make more sense since the units can be cut down quickly and often entire units would most likely be destroyed

I'd say this game, while it has it's little problems it's got no more problems or bad rules than 40K had when it was first out.

As for the models, while we haven't seen them I have little doubt they'll be gorgeous. Looking at the KoW models theres very few that aren't good. While some don't look great on the site (Elven Spearmen for example) they look much better in person. Mantic don't have an 'Eavy Metal esque team so some of their models, like the Elven Spearmen and Drakon Riders, look bad on the site and due to the painting are considered bad sculpts, which isn't true.

So given Mantic make gorgeous models almost without exception (At least in my humble opinion) the KoW models will be great. Not to mention the rules will probably get better with more armies in the mix, at the moment we only have Forgefathers and Maurauders.

But with Corperation, Rebs, The 8th Race and Asterans in the mix it'll undoubtably be awesome. Two human armies (most likely), three completely unknkown races (assuming there's eight) and what we assume is Space Elves we'll have a great selection of rules, different armies and models.

This game isn't a competitor to 40K yet, it may one day become one, and it is a great alternative.

I for one will be playing this rather than 40K whenever possible in the future

Great thanks for the post.

I think this is what we need more of, actual comments from people who have played the game and either liked it or not, and their reasons for it. There has already been big discussion in this thread about Mantic ripping off GW, so I think really things should move on from there.

Perkustin wrote:Something i find odd is that for a company that tries to be more open than GW they haven't really shown anything substantial Model wise.

They have revealed the rules Beta which i think is great but come on, October isn't that far off show us some masters already.

The models are probably currently being sculpted, mantic have very short lead times on their products. Again, this is not GW, they do not sculpt stuff 18 months in advance and then not reveal anything until release date.

They're not holding out on anything, mantic regularly show greens of their models before the sculptor has even finished sculpting them, to gather public feedback and make sure that people are happy with them.

I'd imagine beasts of war will be the first place to get pics of the models, they usually are. Might even see some towards the end of this week now that their warpath week has started.

If nothing else, at least playing a few rounds will give you a better foothold from which to speak. Clearly we want Mantics game to be amazing, but they probably will weigh opinions of people who have actually used the rules more than people who are speculating. Yea, you hate the mechanic. So play the game, so you can say you tried and still hate it.

lord marcus wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:So the rules are gak...now bring on the minis, the may still provide something for me to grab up.

Correction. One rule is "gak" in your opinion. the system on a whole seems quite good for a beta set.

Fair enough. Either way, I already have a rule set I use, and not terribly interested in another. Im far more interested in the minis than the rules.

Mad4Minis wrote:

lord marcus wrote:

Mad4Minis wrote:So the rules are gak...now bring on the minis, the may still provide something for me to grab up.

Correction. One rule is "gak" in your opinion. the system on a whole seems quite good for a beta set.

Fair enough. Either way, I already have a rule set I use, and not terribly interested in another. Im far more interested in the minis than the rules.

Perfectly acceptable. I too want to see the models, especially the forgefathers.

scarletsquig wrote:The models are probably currently being sculpted, mantic have very short lead times on their products. Again, this is not GW, they do not sculpt stuff 18 months in advance and then not reveal anything until release date.

They're not holding out on anything, mantic regularly show greens of their models before the sculptor has even finished sculpting them, to gather public feedback and make sure that people are happy with them.

For the plastics? Unless Renedra is offering Mantic a vastly shorter turnaround than they did for AoW's first plastic kit, for an October release the sculpting would have to have been finished by April.

I didn't know mantic was using Renedra.
But I believe that when you have the money you can have much shorter delays.

It's a quick-play Gothic Sci-Fantasy large-skirmish ruleset with vehicles. That's good enough for me. I was pretty much happy with 40k 5th ed., apart from the fact that in order to play it I had to interact with GW. That's where it all fell apart for me.

With a new ruleset and new models in the same genre with a different twist, but above all, run by a company who doesn't disrespect the fanbase, but rather goes out of its way to court them (for now - I realise this may not continue forever), I am engaged. And I'm looking forward to buying their plastic crack when it comes out.

Is it perfect? No, but who cares! Really?! Its free and the models are cheap, and the company is fun to deal with. That for me is good enough. Had GW not become the monolithic, corporate, faceless and unimaginative shell it is now, there wouldn't be a need for them. But sadly they did, and so now there is.

Its not just about the rules, or just about the models, or even just about the prices. Its the whole package. Other companies exist, and do good stuff, but Mantic are so visible - which other company has their Chief Exec/owner on Youtube having fun and engaging with the customer base? There's Battlefoam, and .... that's about it!

Grot 6 wrote:An alternative to the "Removing" of casualties would be to leave them lay on the table, faced up for incapacitated, or down for dead
....
Once again, dropping models on thier backs or bellies, and making them into terraign checks and modifiers would be more interesting and give you something to talk about. reroll for the down guys, leave the dead guys and later on, whoever wins can change out a dead guyw ith special weapons with and equivilent.

Just a thought - many of us probably don't want to be subjecting our nicely painted miniatures to lots of laying on their sides. A little bit for Blood Bowl is one thing, but this is another thing entirely...


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Alpharius wrote:Uh yeah, OK.

Be all that as it may, it is a safe bet that more Mantic miniatures will find their way into WFB and 40K games than KoW or Warpath.

For now.

There's no negative implied there.

Infer away though!

I just ordered a KoW box, mostly to try out the miniatures. I haven't played WFB for years, and don't have either a Dwarf or Undead army, but I figure I'll have a muck about with the rules and if I enjoy them, I'll have a bunch of miniatures to use. I ordered an Isle of Blood box from GW for much the same reason... What I really want, though, is a small-medium-scale skirmish game. Sci Fi and Fantasy versions, so bigger than Mordheim. Kind of like Kill-Team used to be back when I last played 40k in 3rd Ed...

I don't think Mantic is aiming for 'smaller scale skirmish' with KoW or Warpath though.

And I don't think the 'speed it up' mechanics lend themselves to that type of game either.

I appreciate how heavy weapons are referred to as Ballistic Firepower Guarantors, or BFGs.

Yeah, like we're all going to be calling them 'Ballistic Firepower Guarantors'.

I like it, there are lots of little mentions of old 80's games/movies, even in just the Beta download! It's a good thing it doesn't take itself too seriously, or get too Po-faced I think.

Oaka wrote:I appreciate how heavy weapons are referred to as Ballistic Firepower Guarantors, or BFGs.

Yeah, like we're all going to be calling them 'Ballistic Firepower Guarantors'.

Generators. It was a typo apparently. but yes, i see what you mean.

PFFFT its just an excuse for the acronym of Big Fu*%$ng Gun

Which i wholeheartedly approve of !!

Fair enough, downloaded the beta, read them through and then broke out some proxies.

Easy to get to grips with the rules, flung buckets of dice, generally the game went smooothly.

Outcome, at least in my opinion totally bland. Okay it is the beta but tactics? There seems little scope apart from getting getting as many dice onto a target as you can and blowing it away (it comes down to who can roll the jammiest "nerve" dice). The bland to hit /damage roll means everyone is the same, the only difference is the name and whether you carry a BFG.

Yes I am looking forward to the figures but ruleswise no, it probably will not use 40k but there are some other sets out there that look promising (Hordes of Things, Alien Squad Leader or Stargrunt spring to mind).

I didn't realize that when some of you lay models down you really just break them, LOL!

If not, then they need wound markers then. SOMETHING different is the point here. The rules have a good start, but theres really nothing better then say- Starship Troopers rules set, which in point of fact was a much better "Difference-wise" set then something that seems a bit too derivitive.

I say that these rules can work excellently as either large scale combat or skirmish rules. You can play small scale games, or large, depending entirly on the model count, but they need something that people will go "Wow, Thats cool! never did anything like that before!" BUT...

Thats why I say that model interaction would be better. Even to the point where even if you DON'T lay them on thier side, they need to stay where they were knocked out, turned around backwards, and have a marker set next to them.

My point's not to get all touchy over one point, either- such as some people think is required here. "Lay the model on the front/ back" was a standard skermish rule on some of the games, It doesn't nessesarily mean throwing them around, juns putting them on thier back. It's really not even a point. The marker chits, also work well, but you would have a issue playing through two or three different close combats, when units start intermixing, anyway, how is having a wholely manned unit going to work when you flow through a gap, then get hit by three or four other opponent units?

And the issue of the tanks? what happens when you have an assult going on and get side hit by a opponents armor assult?

Bottom line on my side, I see that having a full unit on the table is going to confuse, rather then speed up play. As with others, I am kinda hung up on that as a point, but not enought hat I wouldn't just ignore that point and put in my own removal rule. I added my point as an alternative- You have a betterone, by all means, I'm open for suggestion, as well.

Leaving a full unit on the table and using some unseen factor as a decision maker is really pretty exploitable.

Oaka wrote:I appreciate how heavy weapons are referred to as Ballistic Firepower Guarantors, or BFGs.

Yeah, like we're all going to be calling them 'Ballistic Firepower Guarantors'.

That's the joke.

AlexHolker wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:The models are probably currently being sculpted, mantic have very short lead times on their products. Again, this is not GW, they do not sculpt stuff 18 months in advance and then not reveal anything until release date.

They're not holding out on anything, mantic regularly show greens of their models before the sculptor has even finished sculpting them, to gather public feedback and make sure that people are happy with them.

For the plastics? Unless Renedra is offering Mantic a vastly shorter turnaround than they did for AoW's first plastic kit, for an October release the sculpting would have to have been finished by April.

Orc Greatax greens were shown on the mantic blog, just before they were about to be sent off to Renedra.

A month later the kit was up for sale.

Lead times are about 1-2 months for Renedra cutting moulds for Mantic. There could be any number of reasons for this, including their sculptor being better at sculpting for plastic, less complex sprues from mantic, or the fact that mantic is an established customer who gets priority. I don't know.. all I know for certain is that their lead times are short and you can look at their past blog posts for proof.

If the models are anything like as good as the zombies and ghouls they do we're in for a treat.

Still waiting on my beta rules...

I was thinking about modeling removal and nerve tests...

Ok so a unit with 5 guys will have normally nerve 3, a unit of 10 will have nerve 5 and a unit of 20 will have nerve 9...

To kill a unit you must roll a 10 or more on a nerve test, nerve tests are 2d6+Damage-Nerve

In 2d6 the regular roll is 6-8, with extreme beying very rare... lets say that normally we will see rolls of 5-9

So, nerve 3 will normally die with 5 wounds (5-9+5-3 = 7-11)

Nerve 5 will normally die with 7 wounds (5-9+7-5 = 7-11)

And Nerve 9 will normally die with 11 wonds (5-9+11-9 = 7-11)

Its a little exagerated, but you can remove the models, and units will tend to die with low model count... The house rule i proposed a whyle ago do the job...

For lower fighting capability (to compensate the easyer cover, lets say), reduce number of attacks by 50%, when the squad reach 50% of the original strentgh.

Byte:

poipo32 wrote:Marauder Beta Army List
Forgefathers Beta Army List
Warpath Beta Rules

One way you could handle the reduction in unit effectiveness if you removed models, you could always reduce the amount of firepower and attacks according to the amount of models that are removed. And for each model that is taken out you could remove the percentage (rounding up) of firepower it gives to the unit from the total.

e.g 1 stunt bot dies -3FP
2 stunt bots die -4fp
3 stunt bots die -3fp
4 stunt bots die -4fp
and for units with more models than firepower (like Grunts) to make it simple you could start weakening the unit when the model count falls below the total firepower.

Or you could just give a FP value to each model

The same system could apply for attacks.

And instead of damage markers modifying nerve checks then make the removed models modify it.

Also to stop all the BFG's and Special melee weapons from being the last to die you could make it that you remove a BFG every 6 models and a SMW(special melee weapon) every 7.

While we're on the subject of damaged units being less effective, have you guys noticed the new rule that got added in the beta?

The "fragged" rule on page 6.

It puts a -1 to hit modifier on units that have received damage equal to their Nerve.

Just pointing this out, that there already is a rule that makes damaged units less effective, if you haven't noticed it, because a lot of posts on here are stating that damaged units are still just as effective as undamaged ones when that's not entirely true.

temprus wrote:Byte:

poipo32 wrote:Marauder Beta Army List
Forgefathers Beta Army List
Warpath Beta Rules

Thanks!

Corporation (AKA Humans) have got artwork on BoW site, look not bad, heavy armoured IG look to the sketches

http://www.beastsofwar.com/warpath/warpath-corporation/

Page not found? Someone took it down or something?

That's weird.

Oh well, I saved 'em. Will put them up if someone wants to see.

Oh well thats a relief! Everyone should know if you post something on the internet, someone is bound to save it for later

Yeah looks like they took the page down, think there was a problem with the video that went along with it, I couldnt watch it, but the sketches look promising.

The video wasn't a video. It was audio only.

The Zzor buggy things were discussed Backstage yesterday

Have a feeling that it may have been intended for Backstage and was posted frontstage in error.
or maybe not given what you guys now say.

Since I've gotten no message from either party--here we go without the spoilers.

Interesting sketches, I like concept A the best. Although if these are supposedly different unit types then perhaps A is normal infantry, B and C are elite troopers

I really hope they start showing actual models soon. Methinks too much hype is being built by concept art

I like concept C with the alternate helmet from A and the bottom rifle from sketch B.

Would be quite nice and 'futuristic' in my opinion.

I like the idea of alternate heads/visor down/full faced helmets. Makes them more sci-fi and distinguished from imperial guard.

Imperial guard do have full face helmets (the tri helm in particular)

Its just GW doesnt seem inclined to include them as plastic options

Nice concept sketches.

FYI there is a video there now, so go watch it if you are so inclined

Interesting stuff, I like that these seem to have more of a 'sci-fi' direction than 40k. And with the name of the models ('corporation'), and the look actually, makes me think of some 'Alien' Wayland-Yutani-esque future corporation, with privately owned soldiers fighting on backwater planets, obtaining resources for their employer's profit (or something like that anyway!)

These look like they would make much better IG (particularly as storm troopers)

These will sell VERY well for IG and INQ armies.

If they come out as nice as the concept art, yeah they would.

I'm really glad they appear to be going away from replacement GW models. While it's obvious that they could be used in 40k Mantic don't seem to be letting that run the game. I was expecting the Corp to be like SMs so having them high tech human is a nice suprise.

Ah but so far we've only seen some concept sketches, the corp could easily have power suits too

But I highly doubt they would be space knights

4M2A wrote:I'm really glad they appear to be going away from replacement GW models. While it's obvious that they could be used in 40k Mantic don't seem to be letting that run the game. I was expecting the Corp to be like SMs so having them high tech human is a nice suprise.

I don't see this at all!

I see "counts as" Orks and IG.

The Forgefathers are 'counts as' Squats! Now to be used as IG, I suppose.

So far, everything we have seen looks very much like it can be used as a 'counts as' 40K equivalent.

Alpharius wrote:

4M2A wrote:I'm really glad they appear to be going away from replacement GW models. While it's obvious that they could be used in 40k Mantic don't seem to be letting that run the game. I was expecting the Corp to be like SMs so having them high tech human is a nice suprise.

I don't see this at all!

I see "counts as" Orks and IG.

The Forgefathers are 'counts as' Squats! Now to be used as IG, I suppose.

So far, everything we have seen looks very much like it can be used as a 'counts as' 40K equivalent.

I think it can be stated fairly obviously that Mantic are trying to steer a line straight down the middle between making the models enough like GW aesthetic so they will be bought for 'count-as' and forging their own Sci-Fi path. Personally, I think they are doing a pretty good job. You won't please all of the people, all of the time - for every person complaining that they are too like GW stuff, there will be someone complaining that they don't fit the expected 'look' or are too OTT. Its a difficult path to tread. Lets not be naive here; Mantic know full well that they will make a hell of a lot of sales from disgruntled GW customers who want cheap proxies for 40K - its the philosophy that Mantic's Fantasy range is based on. But just as much I think they deserve some plaudits for trying to strike out a bit on their own. From small acorns and baby steps etc.

I agree 100% - there is no doubt that this is Mantic's Ultimate Strategy!

I didn't mean to suggest they aren't aiming for people who want cheap GW alternatives but that they are at least trying to make a game that isn't a direct copy.

There are a lot of alt GW models and many of them are much closer to GW models than mantic's are. While they are doing models that could all be used in 40k they are making them different enough that they can be a range in their own right.

Alpharius wrote:

4M2A wrote:I'm really glad they appear to be going away from replacement GW models. While it's obvious that they could be used in 40k Mantic don't seem to be letting that run the game. I was expecting the Corp to be like SMs so having them high tech human is a nice suprise.

I don't see this at all!

I see "counts as" Orks and IG.

The Forgefathers are 'counts as' Squats! Now to be used as IG, I suppose.

So far, everything we have seen looks very much like it can be used as a 'counts as' 40K equivalent.

Agreed and to be honest I think this is a smart business decision. Make your money off of the disgruntled GW players, while slowly moving those players into your gaming system. Is it risky? Yes, but with the lukewarm reception that finecast is having along with the $$ being made from the "Kings of War" line you can't help but root for Mantic.

And really, it isn't even all that 'risky' either!

I driopped 50 squid on a mantic army box and I'm absolutely chuffed!

I'm excited for Warpath but man I want to see some models already. I hope the Corportation have slightly more hi tech and modern looking vehicles than the IG tubbytanks. Then I might be tempted into a "normal human" sci fi force.

If they make plastic figures that look anything like the concept sketches for trooper A or B, they will sell like hotcakes. I can't wait to see how Mantic's humans look.

Hopefully we'll get some good heavy weapon teams

I love the visor on the B sketch. Beyond that, they're pretty standard 'soldier in body armour' sketches. They'll be nice enough if the minis are sculpted competently, but the sketches alone aren't going to get me excited.

Would take something pretty exceptional to reinvent body armour for sci fi troops.
It is invariably a variation on current design.

Problem is that the design is based on current materials and so form follows function to a certain extent.

Would be good to see something groundbreaking and imaginative. But then there is a bigger risk of a negative reaction.

Right, I'm off to reinvent the wheel.

I like how the second weapon on Corp Trooper A is a slightly rejiggered Nerf Stampede...

How does their fantasy stuff match up scale-wise to GW/PP 28mm? They don't have any "human" models yet right?
Are they going to fit in well or be closer to 25 mm, like Bolt Actions recent WW2 plastics?

I have a couple of their elf scouts that they were giving away a while back which are obviously intentionally very slight, so I don't think I can draw any conclusions from those.

plastictrees wrote:How does their fantasy stuff match up scale-wise to GW/PP 28mm? They don't have any "human" models yet right?
Are they going to fit in well or be closer to 25 mm, like Bolt Actions recent WW2 plastics?.

Bolt action is 28mm though, its just 28mm true scaled

It all really depends on the race though, their elves are thinner than GWs but their dwarves are much chunkier

Their Elves are thinner than everyone's.

With the exception of the upcoming "Evil Elf" Sorceress, their Elves are very 'meh'. They gambled with a new 'interpretation' of Elves, and I for one do not like it.

Can't speak for the rest of you guys, but there it is. They are far, far too skinny. It's not a question of them being 'slight'--it's just they look malnourished, especially given that they're supposed to be wearing full plate armor with chainmail padding and leather underneath.

Who said anything about chainmail? and padding can be thin.

kenshin620 wrote:

Bolt action is 28mm though, its just 28mm true scaled

"True scale" here meaning, of course, that they are more of a 'true 28mm' scale, and therefore smaller than you're used to seeing compared to GW's 'heroic' 28mm scale.

Yes, great, so now we know what size the Bolt Action plastics are.
How do the Mantic Dwarves, Orcs and Skeletons match up to GW equivalents size wise?

Methinks this is getting off topic but oh well here we go. I think the skeles match up the best but thats compared to the skeletons of vampire counts I think which are more true scaled compared to the old tomb king one





All of mantic's plastic compared to each other. The skele head does look a bit small

kenshin620 wrote:Methinks this is getting off topic but oh well here we go.

I think it's relevant, I'm just trying to get a sense of how likely it will be that their Warpath humans will mix well with GW humans.
Thanks for the comparison shots.

Only a little off topic, as it does show Mantic's scale/size when compared to GW's. Thanks for posting the pics!

kenshin620 wrote:

Man that GW Elf is a little too big, especially when compared to the Empire soldier.

Are we sure Elves are supposed to be T3?

The GW Elf is a little big...until you realize he's wearing full plate armor versus the Empire model wearing cloth

Actually, seeing them up close improves my opinion of the Mantic Elves.

I would only ask that they were taller and the shield wasn't so flimsy and lame.

If you make them taller, the skinny effect only becomes more exaggerated.

Those proportions are just fine...if the Elf was naked. Even in some of the most generic fantasy settings, Elves wearing armor have the general proportions of a human wearing heavy clothing.

I meant taller proportionately. I like the proportions, honestly, but at 28mm, they look like children, not elves.

Depends what you consider an elf's physiology to be.
They are sometimes described as being around 5 foot tall and as being the size of children.

If you consider rlves as being taller then Mantics might be a tad small.

But again they are truescale not herioc like GW big heads
(before that starts an argument I do like GW elves )

Going back to the skellies, the skull is a tad too large. The proportions are closer to 1:6 rather than the recommended 1:8

I don't think the GW elf is that bad, look at his waist, it's much skinnier than the humans. Now I have seen GW elves that have giant Arnold arms, those I have problems with. I like what Mantic tried to with the elves, I just think they went a bit too far.

I'm not going to argue with Kanluwen, but personally I don't mind someone trying to make more unnatural or even alien-looking elves, instead of sticking to the stereotype that every fantasy setting does and just making their elves exactly the same as humans but with pointy ears.

And I know he's wearing plate armor, but I'd like to think that there might be a difference between plate armor made for bigger, bulkier humans, and plate armor made by superior elven blacksmiths for their tiny, non-human frames.

And what the feth does this have to do with Warpath.

That is my take too Sidstyler
Elves are lithe and skinny, and they have some amazing metallurgy with which to make thin, light plate for armour that is exceedingly tough.
That means it fits close to the slight elven figure.

Dwarves and Elves are non human imho

Sidstyler wrote:And what the feth does this have to do with Warpath.

Someone asked so I went out, guess its to think about how big their sci fi equivalents would be

Even real-world, made-for-humans plate armour can be as thin as 1mm or so. That would be a thin, light suit, and even then would be thicker on the breastplate and helmet, but even adding 1.5mm or 2mm onto spindly elf arms isn't going to be much. Sure, they probably have padding under that, but probably not as much as humans do. They want light armour so they remain lithe and fast, right?

Elves have traditionally been smaller than men. Up until 2nd edition dungeons and dragons, when they changed their definition of elves from being around five feet tall to man sized, most people viewed elves as smaller creatures than man. I don't understand the backlash against Mantic's elves. They are not like GW man-sized elves, but they surely fit into the more traditional definition of smaller beings.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Would take something pretty exceptional to reinvent body armour for sci fi troops.

Just to be clear here, I don't have a problem with them not being exceptionally ground-breaking... it's just that I'm going to be more excited about good quality generic scifi trooper miniatures than I am about sketches of generic scifi troopers.

I apologise if my comment sounded like I was being critical of your post Insaniak, it wasn't certainly intended as such.

Your comment set me musing on the design of human trooper uniforms and armour, and what future developments might be.
Was thinking about how a company like Mantic might go about the process, and what I would do.

Sorry for any misunderstanding

News/rumours from Mantic Open Days by Jasksta:
http://jasksta.tumblr.com/post/7420979788/mantic-open-day-news-rumours

I have just got back from the Mantic Open day and here are a list of the news and rumours from it that I can remember as I didn’t take any notes or anything. If there is anything I have missed just add it to the comments below. Apologies for no pics of the Warpath stuff but they were strictly no camera’s allowed

Warpath

7 of the 8 Races have been announced

Forgefarthers

Marauders

Zor’s – Bug Race

Plague – Zombie Race

Rebels – Mixed Race against the Corporation

Corporation – Human Race

Not Sure about Name – Basically Dark Eldar Models

8th Race – Nobody talks about the 8th race

Managed to see hands on some Forgefarthers mini’s and they look awesome.

Seen some of the concept sketches for the Forgefathers vehicles

Warpath Party on 12 November 2011

Kings of War

New Rules update should be done in about a month with updated army lists for Elves, Dwarf’s and the Undead totalling 100 new units.

Abyssal Dwarf’s will start to be made in Resin soon.

New armies are will be

Goblins -

Twilight Kin – Dark Elves – Ronnie let the people at the seminar vote for the name

Human Race – This is going to cover various types of, maybe even Fish Men

New Rule set shall be printed on A5 Like the journal and cost £2.50 but still free to download and harback copy 100 pages long to be done on A4 next year.

Mantic Journal to become fatter and done twice a year and eventually done on A4

Attached the pics from BoW as featured in the link by Gadge. Below that are the two limited Fantasy miniatures available on that event plus online for this weekend here: http://www.manticgames.com/Shop-Home/Show-Specials/Limited-Editions.html

Goodness. Speaking of large heads...

Fishmen? Aliens? Looks like its time to start a lovecraft themed army....

Wait the human race is going to include fishmen? I'm pretty sure it isn't since I have seen the draft list for the human units - they are basically empire and brettonians combined.

Such is the life of rumors

kenshin620 wrote:Such is the life of rumors

"Mantic's new Sci-Fi TTG to be entirely fish based says anonymous internet source."

insaniak wrote:Goodness. Speaking of large heads...

It is called a "maw beast".

Rick Dagless, MD wrote:I don't understand the backlash against Mantic's elves.

It's simple: their bodies are too gaunt to possess a healthy muscle tone, meaning the first thing that comes to mind is not "elf", it's "concentration camp survivor". Their poor body shape means they are both ugly and unconvincing as a martial race.

4M2A wrote:Wait the human race is going to include fishmen? I'm pretty sure it isn't since I have seen the draft list for the human units - they are basically empire and brettonians combined.

Could you be thinking of Neldoreth and Matt Gilbert's fanlist? Do you remember seeing an "Age of Humanity" army special rule?

Apparently the first moulds for the forgefathers were in the secret room with a select few got to see. no cameras allowed unfortunatley, but reports make them out to look amazing.

The Twilight kin were shown, and there are pictures on the web. Apparently a limited number of army sets were available for purchase.

Just to add a small side note regarding the look of the Marauders, the image below (and the general RT image of orks as being far less bestial than they are in their current incranation) is the first thing I saw of when I saw the concept drawing. The nostalgic part of me really hopes for this different, 'ork as mercenary and pirate rather than savage-mushroom beast', more RT like idea. Not so much the armour/equipment, but the general anatomy. I hope I'm right!

Could you be thinking of Neldoreth and Matt Gilbert's fanlist? Do you remember seeing an "Age of Humanity" army special rule?

It was definately the official one- I got it from my friend who has connections with mantic.

Sounds pretty neat! Anyone else driven to the edge by the misspelling of Forgefathers in the copied post?

Anyways....

Very excited to see more of Mantic's Warpath!

Pacific wrote:Just to add a small side note regarding the look of the Marauders, the image below (and the general RT image of orks as being far less bestial than they are in their current incranation) is the first thing I saw of when I saw the concept drawing. The nostalgic part of me really hopes for this different, 'ork as mercenary and pirate rather than savage-mushroom beast', more RT like idea. Not so much the armour/equipment, but the general anatomy. I hope I'm right!

They would definitely look a little more thretening if they weren't so hunched over.

Hello... let me just speak a little about the Mantic elves... I can understand why people dont like then but i like then, specially because they look nimble, fast and fragile...

Take a look at the army book of elves from GW, specially at the big pics at the start of each chapter. The elven warriors depicted always look like that. Even when wering full armor, they are thin, small and look like "about to break". Body mass compared from human to elves, should follow the same proportions as the body mass compared from orcs to humans.

Im not saying GW models are not good, im just trying to point that, due to the "heroic proportions", mantic elves looks more like the elves on GW elves army book than the actual GW elves. In my personal taste, GW elves dont look like elves, but that is taste...

About the KoW/Warpath races... probably the fish man thing will be like chaos dwarfs, not a full range in plastic, but conversion kits in resin. All those news are great... i hope the bugs look like bugs, and the space zombies are just awesome...

Their models are on par with the historical ones tamiya do, ie gakky levels of detail. If they wanna compete with GW the need to step their modelling game up.

Perosnally, I hope the rules are above and beyond awesome so thousands of competetive gamers jump ship from GW forcing GW to lower their prices.

No more competetive gamers and lower prices. Wins for everyone.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Perosnally, I hope the rules are above and beyond awesome so thousands of competetive gamers jump ship from GW forcing GW to lower their prices.

Seeing how our reaction to the beta rules, when pigs fly

One can hope :(

We should all send letters to Mantic saying: Come on guys, you can do it! We have no interest in your lumpy models or fluff, but if you make a tight ruleset GW will lower their prices! THink of the CHILDREN!

Thrax wrote:I am really stoked for Mantic. I think they're on the right track with their ideas, and they're producing minis with value in mind. GW would be wise to take notice.

You're most likely asking a lot. I mean, how many people have bought their skeletons/dwarves/elves/orcs from mantic and cost GW how much money? And the don't seem to have done anything about it.

TechMarine1 wrote:

Thrax wrote:I am really stoked for Mantic. I think they're on the right track with their ideas, and they're producing minis with value in mind. GW would be wise to take notice.

You're most likely asking a lot. I mean, how many people have bought their skeletons/dwarves/elves/orcs from mantic and cost GW how much money? And the don't seem to have done anything about it.

According to open day reports, Mantic is sending out 60k figs a week.

TechMarine1 wrote:

Thrax wrote:I am really stoked for Mantic. I think they're on the right track with their ideas, and they're producing minis with value in mind. GW would be wise to take notice.

You're most likely asking a lot. I mean, how many people have bought their skeletons/dwarves/elves/orcs from mantic and cost GW how much money? And the don't seem to have done anything about it.

But that's more to do with GW's opinion that they are the only company within the hobby (or rather, are the hobby). Even as recently as when Rick Priestley left, he said in an interview on 40k radio that the upper echelons have a completed blinkered view of what else is going on around them in the industry. The complete absence of a marketing department, policy of secrecy and efforts to control news by pushing information back into WD, and lack of dialogue with the fan base I think are evidence of that.

Mantic is doing the exact opposite, engaging with the community wherever possible, even going so far as to name a new race ('The Twilight Kin') on the basis of a fan vote. Yes there models (or some of them) have a little way to go, and the rules can't be to everyone's taste, but they have been very astute in recognising the failings of GW and in making a company that is filling that void. The very fact that they are listening to feedback and changing things appropriately means that they will eventually be producing something that will be more favourable to the hobby community. If they are already selling that many miniatures, I would say that their future looks very rosy indeed.

I agree with the above. Although I hadn't heard the priestly interview, and if what he said is true then either the upper management are not human or they have mental capacities lower then your average 5th grader.

I sat down over the weekend and watched all the BoW videos from 'Warpath beta week'.

To clarify the background for the races they have:

Corporation (humans) - Turn up at an alien world and want to trade, but soon have bribed the local officials, smeared or assassinated their opponents and take over completely. Resistance is met with military force. Model wise they are going for a cross between real-world modern troops and IG (with a rumour of uber-elite power armoured shock troops to come). Think of a sinister galactic version of the East India Company, Weyland-Yutani corporation and The Alliance from Firefly.

Rebs (humans with Alien Auxiliaries) - Believe everyone should be able to do there own thing, have been joined by lesser alien races that have become refugees or genocide survivors from Corporation purges. Think of the Browncoats from Firefly, Terran rebels from Starcraft, etc.

The Plague (mutant humans) - A Corporation biological warfare experiment gone wrong, some people died, some were turned into mindless violent zombies, some mutated horribly. Those that retain intelligence become leaders and scavenge weapons and supplies. Think of Resident Evil, Firefly Reavers, 28 Days Later, etc with some GW Chaos mutation chucked in the mix.

Marauders (orx) - A savage and primitive race earmarked for extermination were saved by a Corporation general who had an idea to use them as shock troops. They were taken away for indoctrination and training but eventually rebelled and now work as pirates and mercenaries. More like the old Rogue Trader-era GW orks than the current version.

Forgefathers (dwarfs) - An old and highly advanced race that the Corporation have been unable to subdue. They are elite forces with good armour and a lot of heat based (flamer/melta) weapons and large caliber, high ROF guns. They are miners and smiths whose society is built on an elite core of prospectors who find candidate planets, the bulk of the population who then take out the valuable material and an underclass of more primitive scavengers who work as rag-and-bone men, scrap-metal merchants, etc but who are tough and violent (berserkers in space )

Asterians (elves) - Responsible for a lot of mysterious disappearances of ships and colonies and are often sighted near black holes. <no more information as yet...>

The Zz'or (bugs) - Presumably a Tyranid/Aliens/Starship Troopers Bugs clone, there is a BoW backstage video if anyone has seen it?

The Eighth Race (??) - The first rule of Warpath is, you do not talk about the Eighth Race. The second rule of Warpath is, you do not talk about the Eighth Race. I have no idea, assuming its something of their own design that they are keeping tightly under wraps for now.


I have to say I'm looking forward to the minis. I like their fantasy stuff (am currently painting an Undead force for KoW) although I know its not to everyone's taste and I like their prices more

As an add on to the Asterian bullet there, It has been mentioned on warseer that they share an element of our own society's perception of "grey aliens/abducting saucer craft".

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Their models are on par with the historical ones tamiya do, ie gakky levels of detail.

Tamiya makes some of the best vehicle models in the business, and here's you lumping them with the likes of Mantic? Wow. To say Mantic's models are plain and drab is an insult to plainness and drabness. They're right down there with Wargames Factory's blobby misbegotten abortions of plastic.

Always going to extremes, eh? Mantic has its good and its bad minis and their undead are most of the times better than the GW ones.

Tamiya goes into a completely different direction and you don`t need or want the detail that comes with a Tamiya modell that you want to display in a "glass coffin".

Or to say it your way: Calling Agamemnon an informed and objective user is an insult to both words .

Zombies in Space!

I look forward to those I can't think of a sci-fi wargame that has zombies in it in any meaningful way (anyone?) and mutant models will be much welcomed.

The Zz'or (bugs) - Presumably a Tyranid/Aliens/Starship Troopers Bugs clone, there is a BoW backstage video if anyone has seen it?

Yeah - basically they are bugs who got pissed when the Corporation went in a bit heavy handed - they awoke the whole swarm and now they're attacking/eating anything that they get near. Think a bee hive or ant colony that gets angry and swarms around their attacker as a defense mechanism - just an empire of them. For aesthetics I would think more Starship Troopers than Tyranid at this point. Hopefully they will be really bug-like, more than alien-like.

I like the sound of the Rebs, means we could see an almost endless variety of Alien species should Mantic choose.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Their models are on par with the historical ones tamiya do, ie gakky levels of detail.

To say Mantic's models are plain and drab is an insult to plainness and drabness. They're right down there with Wargames Factory's blobby misbegotten abortions of plastic.

Did Mantic run over your dog or something?

I have a bunch of the models, they're very well detailed. If you want to argue that they look bad, that's fine, it's an opinion. Technically speaking though, the sprues I hold in my hands are just as detailed as the GW ones, and have crisp edges to their armour, very thin swords with a proper edge to them and plenty of very tiny and intricate detailing on them.

There is nothing wrong with their level of technical ability. They have an excellent caster and the people that tool their plastic moulds are the same ones that produce the Perry, Warlord and Avatars of War plastics, so if you want to call the casting process "blobby" then I'm afraid you have to apply that to those companies too.

Mantic and WGF are unimpressive for different reasons. Mantic's sculpting is workmanlike, well-detailed but often extremely dull (their dwarves are a good example here). WGF on the other hand lacks even that ability, producing models that are both badly sculpted and designed. Together they form the lowest tier of plastic wargaming miniatures today.

There are few truly great gaming miniatures, of course. All lines have the expected amount of dismal failures and impractical or poorly-thought-up sculpts.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Their models are on par with the historical ones tamiya do, ie gakky levels of detail.

Tamiya makes some of the best vehicle models in the business, and here's you lumping them with the likes of Mantic? Wow. To say Mantic's models are plain and drab is an insult to plainness and drabness. They're right down there with Wargames Factory's blobby misbegotten abortions of plastic.

Firstly, I assumed that the reference was to Tamiya's figures. Which I still find surprising as Tamiya's reputation as a model maker is unprecedented.

Secondly you both forgot to add, "in your humble opinions."

Have you actually seen Mantic models in the flesh or is the opininig based purely on pictures and/or prejudice?

He likes to be all gloomy and depressing, its his schtick.

Yeah, he's Dakka's resident Eeyore - perpetually morose and unhappy with everything. He makes me look positively chipper!

And I never use the word chipper!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Firstly, I assumed that the reference was to Tamiya's figures. Which I still find surprising as Tamiya's reputation as a model maker is unprecedented.

Secondly you both forgot to add, "in your humble opinions."

Have you actually seen Mantic models in the flesh or is the opininig based purely on pictures and/or prejudice?

1) Tamiya's human figures are a very mixed bag of releases, some of them decent, others look like creepy rubber aliens. Their problem is that a lot of their moulds are 30+ years old, but still in production and sold at premium rates. Purely for figures, Dragon makes the best plastic ones, and even they are often subjected to aftermarked parts by serious hobbies.

ii) All forum posts are opinions, unless the poster can present a credible authority to back said post up.

c) I've held them. Indeed, the two freebie ghouls that came with the Wayland Games newsletter are currently in my Blood Bowl team.

Then if you think they are abortions of the plastic modeling world, why are you using them?

And to be far, the ghoul sprue is hardly the best one to get a feel for mantics models and see if you like them. i'd check out the revenants.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Their models are on par with the historical ones tamiya do, ie gakky levels of detail.

Tamiya makes some of the best vehicle models in the business, and here's you lumping them with the likes of Mantic? Wow. To say Mantic's models are plain and drab is an insult to plainness and drabness. They're right down there with Wargames Factory's blobby misbegotten abortions of plastic.

Hungry Troll Alert... Please, dont feed it...

The races look great, everything goes around the emp... er, Corporation. I kinda dont like this "anthropocentric" view on sci-fi, but well, we are humans right?

I like that they have made humans the clearly bad faction. Many games hint at it but also let people see them as good.

lord marcus wrote:Then if you think they are abortions of the plastic modeling world, why are you using them?

And to be far, the ghoul sprue is hardly the best one to get a feel for mantics models and see if you like them. i'd check out the revenants.

Here's an idea. Read again. I said Wargames Factory's models are "abortions of plastic". I said that Mantic and WGF are the lowest tier of plastic wargaming figures. Plastic. There are a lot of worse minis out there, mostly in metal and resin. And really, Mantic is miles ahead of WGF in this respect, as looking at the distinctly lukewarm response to the latter's "plastic stormtroopers" have gotten as recently as the heavy weapons thread.

To answer your why-question. They were free, and good ghouls are hard to find (Heresy's are fine, but bollocks-out naked).

So you think Mantic Ghouls are good, yes?

As for the plastic thing, I read it the first time. You were lumping mantic and WGF together as the lowest level of plastic WG figs. Therefore one can infer you treat both of them equally the same and thus mantic is also "abortions of plastic".

And if it matter, my opinion is that Mantic, especially with the undead figures, is on par with GW or close to it.

lord marcus wrote:So you think Mantic Ghouls are good, yes?

What do you mean by good? I don't exactly like the miniatures, but on the other hand, GW's plastic ghouls are embarrassingly over-the-top, Reaper's are nice but expensive and multipart metal, and other than those two, there really aren't any alternatives. Were I making a Vampire army, I would go out of my way to avoid having any ghouls in it at all. The Mantic skeletons on the other hand I do like far better than GW's offerings, which, once again, are marred by being over the top and cheesy. Were I, say,. playing Pathfinder or some other game that called for a horde of disposable skeleton minions to be on hand, I would not hesitate to purchase them.

(I dislike the Mantic studio paint scheme, and that does make the models seem worse than they are. Bright blue and rotten flesh are not a good match)

lord marcus wrote:As for the plastic thing, I read it the first time. You were lumping mantic and WGF together as the lowest level of plastic WG figs. Therefore one can infer you treat both of them equally the same and thus mantic is also "abortions of plastic".

Inference is a dangerous sport, especially when you're smacking people around with your own inferences of their words. I'll leave it at that and move on.

People should try not to judge mantic miniatures until they seem the models themselves. I agree Agamenmnon about the paint schemes, they aren't badly painted they just aren't done in a way that always complements the models. They also look a lot better when they are in a large block. The small units of 10 that mantic show never look as good as the bigger blocks.

I have seen the elves "in flesh" (if that is appropriate for those Elf models ) on a Mantic booth and still hate them. The Undead are okay though.

For everyone who is pleased automatically sets someone who isn't what we really see is a collection of small company's working together to make not only a figure range but a seperate entity not too far away from the humble roots of White dwarf once was.

A no more than 2 decades down the road we see that games workshop no longer sells dungeons and dragons in it's stores we see rows and rows of boxes filled with all the work and creative spark that helped games workshop become the behemoth that it is today.

This creative spark came from Tolkien in some respects it cane from the modern and the pasts ways of waging wars it came from the future with elements of blade runner the terminator and many other none film based references. It came from the knights Templar and the works of Geiger what I'm saying is I'm glad it's come to this.

Mantic games however good or however bad have built from 3 £25k steel moulds hours of sculpting and an age of tension building with the almost infamous tension building days for the web site to reveal all it had beyond a wonderfully rendered picture of ronnies vision of elves.

Now after building a success of what people reguard awful elves and then throwing at us truly epic undead sure they are pushing in the right direction with undead orcs and myself I would say dwarves abyssal or otherwise mantic have made a place for themselves in the ever expanding Market.

What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20 ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another £20 per 10 man tactical squad.

He's paid a developer to create some interesting rules that promote quick play thusly giving away something his bigger competitor charges for.

Then we talk about models forgefathers squats or space dwarves something very close to my heart instead them languishing in dome forgotten fluff or a copy of White dwarf that made it to the landfill sites or the recycle bins he's taking a risk and bringing them back. Now for a squat fan whom can recall them first time round and who is currently working on a scratch build force this intrigues me.

Mantic with their apparent want for the customer to know what's going on I find refreshing as well as retro with it's ethos of fun it's harkening back to the old rouge trader days where plannets were named after rock stars and bad hair cuts


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But shouldn't we really be thinking about the whole package rather than a bunch of kings of war elves that the theory goes won't be in a warpath game or are we really having a anti competitor bash at mantic for trying their hardest to give us something new.

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4M2A wrote:People should try not to judge mantic miniatures until they seem the models themselves. I agree Agamenmnon about the paint schemes, they aren't badly painted they just aren't done in a way that always complements the models. They also look a lot better when they are in a large block. The small units of 10 that mantic show never look as good as the bigger blocks.

Agree with the large block comment but on seeing a video of a Mantics Abyssal Dwarf tcommand group on a revolving table changed my mind about them
They looked much better in the round.

As I have said elsewhere, the Mantic painting style is not very photogenic.
Unlike the GW style which to me looks like it has been cleverly developeded to show of the models well in photos.

I think the issue is the photography.

Having seen the painting models IRL, the colours are nowhere near as saturated as they are in the photographs, and they look a whole lot better for it.

scarletsquig wrote:I think the issue is the photography.

^This.

Having also been at the open day, even the Drakons are ok models. Yes I just said that

Baragash wrote:

scarletsquig wrote:I think the issue is the photography.

^This.

Having also been at the open day, even the Drakons are ok models. Yes I just said that

There goes your credibility!

All joking aside, a bad paint job and/or photo can certainly kill a model.

Its an issue with white balance i think.

Pretty sure the problem with the Drakon Riders isn't white balance...

Thorne wrote:For everyone who is pleased automatically sets someone who isn't what we really see is a collection of small company's working together to make not only a figure range but a seperate entity not too far away from the humble roots of White dwarf once was......# the rest#......

I really wanted to read this post, but it's so badly written, even if I fill in the gaps, and make up my own punctuation, it still reads as an utter mess.

I'm sure there is a point lurking in that wad of text, can I have a summary, in at least some form of basic English?

Best thing in such a case, Delephont, is to report using the yellow triangle.

Translation attempt:

"Miniature figure manufacturers should have a collective publication, as WD used to review other companies back in the day."

Mantic already have their own magazine so not sure how it relates to Warpath

Manchu wrote:Best thing in such a case, Delephont, is to report using the yellow triangle.

I didn't believe the post was abusive or negative in any way, it was just hard to understand...well, for me at least

Perhaps English isn't the posters native language? Anyway, I don't want to derail this thread any further. Apologies for any misunderstanding!!

Mantic already have their own magazine so not sure how it relates to Warpath

Going by their Journals so far they do promotions and articles on other miniatures, such as Hasslefree and Studio McVey's Sedition Wars. I'm sure they will do features on Warpath.

can I have a summary, in at least some form of basic English?

Translation pt 2 (for Delephont):

Thorne made a point by saying how GW lacked diversity in their stores. He feels that they neglected their routes as far back as when they stopped selling more diverse product and started selling only their own. He may have a point. Imagine if they still did sell everything gaming related? GW would pretty much be the only stores selling role-playing games, alternate war games etc...they could have made a lot more money. Personally I think the diversity became too little when they stopped supporting their "Specialist" Games in store to help make way for LOTR - another error IMO.

He also said that he's glad Mantic aren't taking themselves too seriously, that rules are being provided for free and that he's glad GW have 'dropped the ball' as it allows for more competitors. He also expresses bewilderment at people's negative thinking about Mantic based on some Elves they don't like and urges people to see 'the bigger picture' - Mantic are a young company trying their hardest to provide an alternative and he feels people are making conclusions too quickly. Warpath may not even have an Elf race and he's despondent at this possibly becoming an anti-competitor bash thread to GW. He likes the fact Mantic want their customer to know what's going on and welcomes the retro, friendly approach to the hobby.

He likes Space Dwarfs and looks forward to Mantic's interpretation of these lowly, misunderstood & neglected creatures.

@Thorne: Did you use an iPod/Pad to type your post? If so I'd ask for a refund

I did give much time and consideration to the content of my post I appologise for my use of grammar and spelling in consideration of other dakka dakka members who seamingly cannot understand understand me. Initialy think my points raised in the post still stand up to scrutiny being hevily dislexic I do have many issues with spelling punctuation and grammar which have been a huge stumbling block to me for a good long time but I digress.

warspawned wrote:
@Thorne: Did you use an iPod/Pad to type your post? If so I'd ask for a refund

Indeed I did I shall be looking into what I can do about this.... Apple things are just supposed to work .... Damnit

warspawned translated my post perfectly how odd. Mantic games however good or however bad have built from 3 £25k steel moulds and the hours of sculpting that went into sculpting the first miniature line with not to mention a tension building with the almost infamous days for the web site to reveal all it had beyond a wonderfully rendered picture of ronnies vision of elves. Now rinnies vision of elves are not to all our tastes. Personaly I hate them but that isnt the point. Shouldn't we really instead be thinking about the whole package rather than a bunch of kings of war elves that the theory goes won't be in a warpath game. Simply that had been the point of the last few pages I have read or are we really having a anti competitor bash at mantic for trying their hardest to give us something new?

The key word in the last paragraph is GIVE I have seen no where the option to yet buy these Warpath rules anywhere. What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another up to £20 per 10 man tactical squad. My theory goes you can already play Warpath with the beta rules as it is intended with what you have already.

Then we talk about models forgefathers squats or space dwarves something very close to my heart. The concept of space dwarves instead them languishing in some long forgotten fluff or a copy of White dwarf that made it to a land fill site or the recycle bins he's taking a risk and bringing them back. Now for a squat fan whom can recall them first time round and currently working on a scratch build force this intrigues me.

Mantic with their want for the customer to know what's going on I find refreshing as well as retro with it's ethos of fun it's harkening back to the old rouge trader days where plannets were named after rock stars and bad hair cuts.

Now I have given much more consideration to my grammar and spelling but as I have mentioned before I am hevily dislexic and after a while my mind begins to play tricks on me and I start reading text on white or grey backgrounds and black or white text makes me read as if I were reading russian but I can only appologise and give my regret about people not seeing my points but after a time I cant read this black and white text either which if you know any heavily dislexic people they will tell you almost the same problems.

I did give much time and consideration to the content of my post I appologise for my use of grammar and spelling in consideration of other dakka dakka members who seamingly cannot understand understand me. Initialy think my points raised in the post still stand up to scrutiny being hevily dislexic I do have many issues with spelling punctuation and grammar which have been a huge stumbling block to me for a good long time but I digress...

That makes sense Thorne, I know no-one meant any disrespect. Can I suggest putting a note in your signature to state you are dislexic and to be patient with your posts? Some Dakka members will always pick at grammar etc as it is a 'rule' of the site - although if they knew you were dyslexic they would be more patient.

I understood your post and agree with many points. Welcome to Dakka

Indeed I did I shall be looking into what I can do about this.... Apple things are just supposed to work .... Damnit

This also makes sense! I can't get used to touch screens and I know I'd make a lot of mistakes using them. So much for technology, eh?

Thorne wrote:
The key word in the last paragraph is GIVE I have seen no where the option to yet buy these Warpath rules anywhere. What Ronnie is doing isn't short of genius letting people play a game without paying out for a £50 board game without the need if you enjoy it to then pay another £20ish investment in some aspect you found very fun in a stripped down version of the full product and then pay another up to £20 per 10 man tactical squad. My theory goes you can already play Warpath with the beta rules as it is intended with what you have already.

Giving something away in order to entice people to buy related items is nothing new and I don't consider anything more than a marketting gimmick. There are people talking about Warpath's beta rules in this thread. The marketing seems to be working, for better or for worse. i only bring this up because calling the man a genius for it is a bit unnerving.

I don't agree.

I was well on board with the rules set... until I saw the rest of the so called choices of armies.


I'm sorry gang, I'm just not feeling them. I'll stick to tried and true orks, and dwarfs.

Zombies? ... maybe. everything else just gave me a WTF moment of epic proportions. I think they call it a bowel movement.

As to Thorne, all I have to say is come back with proof on that. I can play 500 other games for free. Thats not really something that knocks my socks off. Please get off the jock. I can agree that they have a pretty good rules set there, but the rest of it is really underwhelming.

Your talking about this stuff like it's the second coming, or the food of the gods or some sort of thing. All it is is an alternative games system that is really just filling an ever increasing nich that GW is prying open with a crowbar. The army choices are nothing but GW armies regurgitated, yet again. We haven't even seen the fluff, or stories of this stuff yet.

I alredy have Rogue Trader, what is "New" here? What makes this game anything other then Starship Troopers Mark 2? " 80% better then gamers can paint...."

Grot 6 wrote:I don't agree.

As to Thorne, all I have to say is come back with proof on that. I can play 500 other games for free. Thats not really something that knocks my socks off. Please get off the jock. I can agree that they have a pretty good rules set there, but the rest of it is really underwhelming.

Your talking about this stuff like it's the second coming, or the food of the gods or some sort of thing. All it is is an alternative games system that is really just filling an ever increasing nich that GW is prying open with a crowbar. The army choices are nothing but GW armies regurgitated, yet again. We haven't even seen the fluff, or stories of this stuff yet.

I alredy have Rogue Trader, what is "New" here? What makes this game anything other then Starship Troopers Mark 2? " 80% better then gamers can paint...."

I think you are reading far too much into my comments. Yes I think that the best part of the beta ruleset being free is a great boon to everyone and yes the best marketing ploy is to give the rules away for free. But I can also see this whole thing going the way of war-zone or starship troopers ( admittedly I loved ) and I have no illusion that it will or will not be the next big thing. But as a ready drop and drag troops that could be used in 40k forces I can see the ranges going down well with the war gaming players and collectors.

Not to mention the space dwarf concept art I am waiting to see how it translates to a product makes me more interested in the whole idea and system. This is a race that has been long gone in relative terms for games workshop.

But what I do like more than anything is choice. Isn't that what keeps things interesting and fresh?

Mantic have stated the launch party date for Warpath to be November 12th - whether this is for the boxed game or the whole sha-bang I don't know.

http://www.manticblog.com/

...watch our for our Warpath Launch Party on the 12th November...

Hopefully we'll see minis, finalised rules and some written background by October. Did anyone who went to the Open Day get a date for any models?

Apparently maruaders are going to be at Gencon. Rumor though that is.

It would be stupid for them to not come out there with something.

Well Right now the consensus is it wil either be maruaders or twilight kin (dark elves) for KoW. Who knows, maybe both.

October = Marauders
November/December = Forgefathers/Battleset (2 equal armies of Forgefathers and Marauders)
January = Corporation

(I can't remember which way round the Nov/Dec release is)

More details by the distributor E-Figures:

We have received some preliminary information from Mantic for their sci-fi release coming in November. The Warpath Starter is planned to contain 55 models, 2 vehicles, dice, rules and Mantic points and retail for $74.99. The final name of the product should be chosen in mid-August. As we do not have an exact date, this product has been placed in the TBA PreOrders section for now. When we have more information, it will be updated accordingly.

http://efiguresdistribution.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/warpath-starter-from-mantic-games/

Sounds interesting, November is a long time though

It'll be here soon enough Kenshin.
3 months is not much to have to wait.

Soon be Xmas!

The website Brückenkopf http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/?p=41792 posted exclusive pics of some concept sketches for Forge Fathers artillery (for just one day, so I attached the pics). Mantic is still working on the final design of the armour plate. It will be resin and part of the starter box. The marauders will get a trike-buggy in that box, but Brückenkopf is not allowed to show the concept sketches of that one. looks "un-orky" and they think about mixing different styles to underline the ramshackle origin of the vehicles.

The resin masters of the Forge Father Heavy Troopers look excellent (says Darkover of Brückenkopf), the artwork of the box shows two central heroes fighting with warriors surrounding them, a.o. a Forge Father with flamethrower. The marauders have a blue/gold colour scheme

Thanks to Darkover for all this information from his trip to UK.

That looks kewl

Not sure which one I like best
A, B, or C

So hard to choose

I prefer the one that looks like a Thudd gun.

notprop wrote:I prefer the one that looks like a Thudd gun.

All three are basically a Squat thudd gun with three different types of plate on the front, either Mantic will pick one version, or just give the models three armor plates to choose from when we build it, that in my opinion would be quite smart of them to do that.

This is one of the vehicle concepts we saw at the open day. It will be made from resin plastic.

There will be different, hot-swappable weapon options for the main gun.

No need for magnets, they will slot right in.

Kanluwen wrote:Since I've gotten no message from either party--here we go without the spoilers.

Looks like those are the high tech infantry I've been waiting for for 10 or 15 years.

When are some boxes of troops going to be ready?


I want to see if these are as good as they've hyped in the flesh.

I hope the vehicles aren't all chibi style, that was one of the things people didn't like about Warzone. I like the quad gun but it seems a little cramped. Maybe Forgefathers have agoraphobia and like to be shoehorned in?

Grot 6 wrote:When are some boxes of troops going to be ready?


I want to see if these are as good as they've hyped in the flesh.

October/November, as it says in the thread title.

No need for two Mantic threads at this point.

Please go here:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/345885.page

for the continuing discussion.