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Upcoming BA stuff sounds very awesome plastic paratroopers on all sides
the winter stuff sounds good!
any reviews on the new panzegrenadiers? they looked more orcish than usual but that could be the paint
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overtyrant wrote:I was disappointed by the Warlord stand at Salute. I wanted a couple of blisters for BA but because the blisters racks were so small and low there was realistically only room for one person and it made it to awkward to search and I'm afraid to say the staff were no good as to my enquiries all I received was 'there over there somewhere'.
It did seem like more of "studio plus a small shop" rather than "shop + some studio fellows" outing for them this year. I found what I wanted but only after sussing different items were stacked behind one another on the hangers.
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Post by: RobertsMinis
 mitch_rifle wrote:Upcoming BA stuff sounds very awesome plastic paratroopers on all sides
the winter stuff sounds good!
any reviews on the new panzegrenadiers? they looked more orcish than usual but that could be the paint
I received a sprue with my Stug Zug I received this morning, and on the quick inspection I gave them, they seem to match the other Warlord plastics I have. But again, only a quick look at it.
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Post by: Pacific
 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:overtyrant wrote:I was disappointed by the Warlord stand at Salute. I wanted a couple of blisters for BA but because the blisters racks were so small and low there was realistically only room for one person and it made it to awkward to search and I'm afraid to say the staff were no good as to my enquiries all I received was 'there over there somewhere'.
It did seem like more of "studio plus a small shop" rather than "shop + some studio fellows" outing for them this year. I found what I wanted but only after sussing different items were stacked behind one another on the hangers.
The perpetual issue from shows like this is the crowd, specifically when you get some guy who is 6ft wide, with a 4ft backpack on, giving him a footprint of about 10ft and no way past.
I was stood at one of the stands (I forget the name of the company 'Ax-something'), trying to look at some of their miniatures. They had a really cool fantasy range of warriors riding bears, hares, lots of things like that. But, there was some guy in a massive hat who was literally stood there for 10 minutes looking at the same miniature, had half a glimpse under his armpit but that was it.
Good for browsing it ain't! I suppose they could space stuff out more, but the display area is limited and not cheap.
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Post by: judgedoug
Preview: http://www.warlordgames.com/germany-strikes-early-war-in-europe/
PRE-ORDER: GERMANY STRIKES!: EARLY WAR IN EUROPE – BOLT ACTION THEATRE BOOK
May 1, 2015 - Bolt Action, Bolt Action - Belgian, Bolt Action - British, Bolt Action - French, Bolt Action - German, Bolt Action - Polish, Latest Products - Tagged: Bolt Action, Featured
In 1939, Germany shattered the peace of Europe with a lightning-fast strike against Poland. The next year, it captured Denmark and Norway, before launching its famous Blitzkrieg against France, Belgium and The Netherlands. In less than two years of fighting, Nazi Germany became the master of mainland Europe.
This new Theatre Book for Bolt Action allows players to command armies of German tanks driving across the continent or to lead the desperate defense of the outgunned Allied armies. New scenarios, special rules and units give players everything they need to recreate the devastating battles and campaigns of the early war in Europe, including the fall of Poland, the breaking of the Maginot Line and the dramatic retreat to Dunkirk.
Remember that when you buy one of our rulebooks direct from us, it comes with an exclusive free miniature, not available anywhere else! For Germany Strikes! the exclusive model is the colourful character Fighting Jack Churchill – famous for going into battle with sword, longbow and bagpipes! Not surprisingly he was also known as ‘Mad Jack Churchill’.
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Post by: BrookM
Early War Dutch minis please?
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Post by: RobertsMinis
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Post by: Pacific
Warlord are about to start their 'Summer Offensive' campaign. This sounds very cool, very similar to the concept behind the sorts of campaigns GW used to run back in the day, but now with modern tech it's all done online.
http://www.warlordgames.com/announcement-bolt-action-online-campaign/
ANNOUNCEMENT: BOLT ACTION ONLINE CAMPAIGN
Dust off your orders dice because this summer we are running a massive Bolt Action event – an online campaign where you can post the results of your tabletop battles and try to affect the overall course of the war.
Every Bolt Action player can join in – when the campaign starts you’ll sign up by registering your country of allegiance and coming up with a name for your force. After that you’ll just need to play loads of battles and report back!
To whet your appetite, here’s some of our design work for the campaign website:
We’ll bring you more details of exactly how it will work nearer the time – for the moment we wanted to let you know that the Summer Offensive is on its way, so you can recruit your armies and prepare for battle.
Remember we have a huge array of starter armies and deals to help you assemble a force, including the updated German D-Day Defenders deal and the Getting Started Bundle, which now includes the German Grenadiers.
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Post by: Pacific
A new boxset combining the plastic Panzergrenadiers and half-tracks
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-blitzkrieg-panzergrenadiers/
NEW: BLITZKRIEG PANZERGRENADIERS
Providing a solid and mobile core to any Bolt Action early war German army our new Blitzkrieg Panzergrenadiers matches our plastic Sd.Kfz 251/1 half tracks with our excellent plastic Blitzkrieg Germans – perfect for invading Poland, rampaging across Europe or waging total war on the Bolsheviks on the eastern front! Even better it’s a great value boxed set saving you your hard-earned cash!
Whilst the glory often went to the armoured knights of the panzer divisions, the infantry were the spine of the Wehrmacht. Germany’s cunning use of Blitzkrieg tactics conquered Poland, swept through the Low Countries and defeated France, before turning their attention to the Soviet Union. Soviet forces were pushed all the way to Moscow as the relentless march of Hitler’s landsers swept all before them.
Well-led, superbly trained and equipped with the finest infantry weapons in the world, the German infantryman was a skilled and dangerous foe capable of thinking for themselves if needed, giving them a significant advantage over their foes. Vorwärts!
This boxed set contains:
30 plastic Blitzkrieg German infantry with bases
3 plastic Sd.Kfz 251/1 Ausf C half-tracks
Background and construction sheets
Waterslide decals
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Post by: RobertsMinis
A little something coming in the not-too-distant future - dismounted US tank crew from our forthcoming Winter US Army range...
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Post by: RobertsMinis
Another U.S. Winter preview
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Post by: warboss
Out of curiosity, does anyone have a spare Bolt Action vehicle broken circle white star decal that they'd be willing to sell? I'm looking for a single one of the biggest allied broken circle white stars but would also be willing to buy a leftover sheet that contains one if someone has extras. The one pictured below is from the cromwell kit and I'm not sure how it compares size-wise to the full sheet of broken circle allied white stars you get on the general british armour decal sheet (further down). Please PM me if you've got a spare star or sheet so as not to clog up the thread and thanks in advance.
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Post by: judgedoug
What's up plastic Panzer III
PRE-ORDER: PLASTIC PANZER III
July 13, 2015 - Bolt Action, Bolt Action - German, Latest Products - Tagged: Bolt Action, Featured, Germany, Tank War
In a daring break from the norm, we’re here to cure those Monday blues with some brand-spanking-new plastic goodness…
Hold on to your hats, because as of today, our plastic Panzer III kit (which can be assembled to represent the Ausf J, L, M or N versions!) is available to pre-order!
PANZER III (PLASTIC BOX)
The Panzer III was one of the most numerous German tanks of the war, and was the mainstay of German armoured forces when they invaded the Soviet Union. It was well armoured and equipped with the 5cm KwK 38 L/42 cannon – an effective anti-tank weapon, and the 7.5cm KwK 37 L/24 cannon – used in an infantry support role.
By the end of June 1942, ahead of the German Summer offensive in the Soviet Union, around 600 Pz IIIs mounting the 5cm KwK L/60 were ready for action at the front. Ausf L were issued to the newly-formed panzer regiments of the 1st Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, 2nd Das Reich and 3rd Totenkopf SS-Panzergrenadier Divisions, and the Panzergrenadier Division, Grossdeutschland.
Our plastic Panzer III kit can be assembled to represent either the J, L, M or N variants;
PANZER III J
PANZER III L
PANZER III M/N
And as with all of our plastic tanks, we’re also releasing the Panzer III Zug – which contains 3 of these plastic kits – ideal for Tank War!
PANZER III ZUG
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Post by: Polonius
Damn, its getting harder and harder to resist doing an early war German Blitzkrieg army...
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Post by: ntdars
Any news on plastic Fallschirmjager?
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Post by: Snord
The Panzer III looks very good. The track sag is especially nice - they missed that on their StuG III. The Ausf J may not be entirely correct (it had some different features to the later variants), but this kit is clearly more accurate than Rubicon's Panzer III, which only really builds an Ausf M. I noticed however that the Ausf N has spaced armour on the mantlet - hopefully this is just a construction error (it should have the same 'flat' mantlet as the Ausf J).
Finally I can start on some Afrika Korps (Rubicon's forthcoming German stowage set will supply the jerrycans and other gear).
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Post by: judgedoug
 Polonius wrote:Damn, its getting harder and harder to resist doing an early war German Blitzkrieg army...
I just got the Germany Strikes book yesterday and spent an hour reading it last night.
It's the best supplement Warlord has released for Bolt Action.
Just tons of awesome scenarios, tons of cool new units, new army lists, just chock full of value and well written. Totally worth $30.
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Post by: BrookM
Does it also have a Dutch army list?
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Post by: judgedoug
It has the full Danish army list for Operation Weserubung.
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Post by: BrookM
So, no Dutch army list then.
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Post by: RobertsMinis
More Winter American's previewed.
Don't forget they also released this recently
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Post by: Polonius
I am very glad I held off on buying an polish army... those models are nice! I know it's a bit of a cheat to build the "super elite" minority of an army, but I like the idea of early war motorized troops.
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Post by: prowla
Polonius wrote:I am very glad I held off on buying an polish army... those models are nice! I know it's a bit of a cheat to build the "super elite" minority of an army, but I like the idea of early war motorized troops.
Well, the elite have to fight somewhere, too! 
I also like the early war stuff, lots of interesting units and vehicles in different armies. Might have to pick up the GS! book.
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Post by: Nocturnus
Very excited for a plastic Panzer III!
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Post by: BrookM
So yeah.
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Post by: Slinky
"I just drive 'em, baby, I don't know how they work" 
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Post by: prowla
Umm so who are these guys? 
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Post by: BrookM
fething war heroes son.
From the movie Kelly's Heroes. Automatically Appended Next Post: A better one:
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Post by: endtransmission
Nice. Those can go on the shopping list. I wonder if they will do ones suitable to go in their plastic Sherman too?
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Post by: krazynadechukr
From the movie kelly's heroes...1970....
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Post by: namiel
exalted. Really couldn't have said it better
They should have rules that they can buy off any german who doesn't have the fanatical rule
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Post by: BrookM
But wait, in the movie they bought off SS. 
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Post by: warboss
Eh, late war SS with much laxer recruitment standards. Heck, they were even letting in decidely non-german volunteers from your neck of the woods into it!
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Post by: BrookM
Actually, IIRC first non-German to receive an iron cross was a Dutchman, and that's not something to be proud of. Though I could be wrong, I hope I am, I don't want to give the rightwing scum anything to uphold as something good and whole.
Digressing, but the Germans have been recruiting for the SS in foreign countries since the early stages, as early as late 1940 IIRC, not just the late war scum.
Dutch SS for example were fighting on the Eastern Front as of late 1941.
But yeah, those guys in the movie were decidedly not the Fanatical FURY- SS, but a more laid back 70's SS. 
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Post by: prowla
 warboss wrote:
Eh, late war SS with much laxer recruitment standards. Heck, they were even letting in decidely non-german volunteers from your neck of the woods into it!
IIRC they had a lot of foreign volunteer SS-divisions. Apparently there were up to 500k of foreign SS-troops, the first division (Wiking) being formed in late 1940, so they were active quite early on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts
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Post by: endtransmission
So the Fallschirmjager plastics are now up for preorder as part of an army deal (£75) that looks ever so tempting
In here you get 40 Infantry, 2 Vehicles (Stug III Ausf G, Hanomag), 2 Crewed Guns/Artillery Pieces (Pak 40, Medium mortar), 7 metal Crew.
The recommended build for this is:
HQ (veteran lieutenent and 2 riflemen): 116pts
10-man squad (8 assault rifles, 1 LMG team, 4 panzerfausts): 210pts
10-man squad (2 SMG, 2 LMG teams, 4 rifles, 3 panzerfausts): 166pts
10-man squad (2 SMG, 2 LMG teams, 4 rifles, 3 panzerfausts) 166pts
Stug III Ausf G with schurzen (veteran): 277 pts
251 Ausf D Hanomag (veteran) plus rear MMG: 122pts
Pak 40 (veteran): 132pts
Medium Mortar (regular) plus Spotter (plastic): 75pts
Panzerschreck team (veteran): 104pts
Sniper team (veteran): 65pts
Flamethrower team (veteran): 65pts
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Post by: Bolognesus
So is that flamethrower actually on the fallschirmjäger sprue? I know it's not on the German weapons sprue and it's not listed as a separate metal component/unit.
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Post by: Polonius
 Bolognesus wrote:So is that flamethrower actually on the fallschirmjäger sprue? I know it's not on the German weapons sprue and it's not listed as a separate metal component/unit.
It's part of the sniper/shreck/flamethrower six man blister.
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Post by: judgedoug
Looks like the army set comes with two extra plastic figures.
10+10+10+3+1 = 34 plastic FJ out of six 6-man sprues. So... Artillery Observer or Medic team!
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Post by: Polonius
 judgedoug wrote:Looks like the army set comes with two extra plastic figures. 10+10+10+3+1 = 34 plastic FJ out of six 6-man sprues. So... Artillery Observer or Medic team!
One is already penciled in as the Mortar spotter on the list I saw. EDIT: oh, you included that...
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Post by: Bolognesus
Polonius wrote: Bolognesus wrote:So is that flamethrower actually on the fallschirmjäger sprue? I know it's not on the German weapons sprue and it's not listed as a separate metal component/unit.
It's part of the sniper/shreck/flamethrower six man blister.
Ah that explains, thanks.
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Post by: Wyrmalla
That list doesn't explicitly specify how many FG-42s are included, unless bizarrely they're using them as snipers? Recent production models of that gun have been found to be excellent DMRs (as opposed to the LMG the Americans developed them into), but IIRC back when the Germans were actually using them they were fielded just as battle rifles.
Digressing somewhat, but aye, those are a gun which I wouldn't mind having in 28mm, though knowing how many you get in a box would be helpful.
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Post by: Azazelx
Hm.... do I want/need yet another unpainted German army for BA/28mm?
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Post by: Bolognesus
The FG-42 isn't on the weapons sprue, so there's going to be multiples of 5 in the box. I thought it was always sort of a DMR (short wiki run put me straight already) so I'd have guessed five, but now you mention it, it might actually be more.
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Post by: aldo
In game the FG-42 is considered and Assault Rifle so... at least 8
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Post by: judgedoug
From what I understand, three FG42 automatic rifles per sprue of six Fallschirmjager.
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Post by: aldo
Sounds right, that's the proportion of Assault Rifles in the Grenadier box too.
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Post by: judgedoug
Fallschirmjager sprue
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Post by: Barzam
If only they'd snuck a few gas mask heads in there. They look really nice though. Seems like a nice selection of weapons, too.
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Post by: judgedoug
Was there some action the Fallschirmjager were at that they wore their gas masks?
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Post by: Barzam
None that I'm aware of. Just wishing I could make them into plastic Steel Legion with as little effort as possible. Guess that's what Mad Robot is for.
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Post by: ntdars
judgedoug wrote:Fallschirmjager sprue
Man that sprue is so sexy, look at all those heads!
Barzam wrote:None that I'm aware of. Just wishing I could make them into plastic Steel Legion with as little effort as possible. Guess that's what Mad Robot is for.
Those would make for some awesome conversions. IIRC although Lasguns are a bit too bit for BA bodies. Here's one conversion I've seen;
http://i.imgur.com/QTne6Dz.jpg
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Post by: Ibis
Aha! Halfling bandits for 40k! Brilliant
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Post by: sing your life
 Barzam wrote:If only they'd snuck a few gas mask heads in there. They look really nice though. Seems like a nice selection of weapons, too.
Warlord and WWP both already do a couple Gas masked head sets for Natzees in white metal.
Warlord have already put out an army list for Dutch forces in the France & Allies army book.
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Post by: Polonius
The Fallschimjaeger look dymanic and wonderful, and its always great to get some more French stuff.
I don't play (or care much about) Judge Dredd.... but holy cow does 1990 want their resin casting back. That is not a very nice kit.
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Post by: endtransmission
Oh look. A new vehicle and Mongoose still havn't released the Patwagon from the kickstarter... joy!
Really liking the Fallschimjaeger though.
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Post by: sing your life
If their upcoming US paratroopers looks half as good as their German counterparts, I'll be buying a few hundred £ of them.
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Warlord Games
We have a few special treats in store for tomorrow's Newsletter... including this fine fellow!
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Post by: sing your life
Is that Jimmy Lee Lewis?
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Post by: sing your life
So they don't sell the Finnish HQ models separate, so are giving you the whole box sets with MMG, sniper they come in instead? That's generous.
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Post by: master of ordinance
I am loving some of the new stuff that is coming out - My Germans and British need more! On a side note I also need to get my British some transports.... So that the Infantry can keep up with my three Churchill armoured platoon
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Post by: judgedoug
 sing your life wrote:So they don't sell the Finnish HQ models separate, so are giving you the whole box sets with MMG, sniper they come in instead? That's generous.
The Finnish army deal is perhaps the best deal, something like 40% off if you get the Howitzer as your Support 2 and a Ski Squad or Panzershreck/ATR as Support 1 and BT-42 as your tank option.
That nets you
Finnish Box Set: Officer & Aide, Infantry Squad, MMG Team, Sniper Team, Ski Squad
plus two more Infantry Squads
plus another Ski squad OR plus Panzerschreck & ATR for antitank options
plus Howitzer for anti-infantry
a BA-6 armored car and BT-42 tank
It's an insanely good deal.
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Post by: sing your life
Kind of an old question, but does the Germany Strikes book come with rules for the Neubaufahrzeug? The Heer used 3 during Operation Weserubung.
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Post by: judgedoug
Yes, there's even a scenario for it.
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Post by: sing your life
What kind of stats does it get?
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Post by: Azazelx
judgedoug wrote: sing your life wrote:So they don't sell the Finnish HQ models separate, so are giving you the whole box sets with MMG, sniper they come in instead? That's generous.
The Finnish army deal is perhaps the best deal, something like 40% off if you get the Howitzer as your Support 2 and a Ski Squad or Panzershreck/ATR as Support 1 and BT-42 as your tank option.
That nets you
Finnish Box Set: Officer & Aide, Infantry Squad, MMG Team, Sniper Team, Ski Squad
plus two more Infantry Squads
plus another Ski squad OR plus Panzerschreck & ATR for antitank options
plus Howitzer for anti-infantry
a BA-6 armored car and BT-42 tank
It's an insanely good deal.
How "good" an army does it make? I've been eyeing it somewhat.
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Post by: sing your life
With the AT teams it seems like an decent anti-infantry firepower list if you make all the troops, though lacking in counters for more than 1 or 2 tanks unless you equip the infantry squads with AT grenades.
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Post by: CptJake
At 1000 points you should not really be facing more than 1 or 2 tanks...
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Post by: master of ordinance
Unless you are facing an armoured platoon there is unlikely to be more than one tank in a 1000 point game. About this Neubaufahrzeug - I am liking the sound of this even more. It may just persuade me to start my early war armies ahead of schedule 
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Post by: judgedoug
 Azazelx wrote: judgedoug wrote: sing your life wrote:So they don't sell the Finnish HQ models separate, so are giving you the whole box sets with MMG, sniper they come in instead? That's generous.
The Finnish army deal is perhaps the best deal, something like 40% off if you get the Howitzer as your Support 2 and a Ski Squad or Panzershreck/ATR as Support 1 and BT-42 as your tank option.
That nets you
Finnish Box Set: Officer & Aide, Infantry Squad, MMG Team, Sniper Team, Ski Squad
plus two more Infantry Squads
plus another Ski squad OR plus Panzerschreck & ATR for antitank options
plus Howitzer for anti-infantry
a BA-6 armored car and BT-42 tank
It's an insanely good deal.
How "good" an army does it make? I've been eyeing it somewhat.
At the bare minimum, a very good army. A great army. A fantastic Continuation War army. The BT-42 wrecks infantry (HE 2d6) and can hurt lighter tanks (med howitzer is +3 pen so can destroy and damage up to a medium tank from the front). Taking the Panzerschreck gives you a nasty +6 penetration in a 24" bubble so every tank is wary of you. Finnish infantry squads can be Tough Fighters. The BA-6 ( BA-10 really) is Recce and a Light antitank gun (+4) so is useful for hitting enemy tanks, plus LMG's. If you want to play earlier, 1940 Winter War, sub in the Antitank Rifle and get a T-26A (dual MG turrets) or T-26E (antitank gun turret)
aanddd Finnish snipers are the best. Because if you give them Advance, they can move, and then if they don't shoot, the order die flips to Ambush.
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Post by: master of ordinance
That... That is beautiful. I must get one!
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Post by: sing your life
I wouldn't like to be a Norwegian infantry man facing that thing on the Tabletop
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Black Powder - Rebellion - American War of Independence
Warlord Games releasing Wargames Factory models as Warlord Games takes over being worldwide distributor for Wargames Factory models...
Available to pre-order now, “Liberty or Death” – our new American War of Independence Battle Set:
Packed to the gunwales with over 285 highly detailed plastic infantry, cannons and Commanders for both the British and Rebel Continental Armies, this set is a fantastic way to start with your Rebellion!
MSRP $285
http://www.warlordgames.com/pre-order-liberty-or-death-american-war-of-independence-battle-set/
BOX CONTENTS
3 plastic Mounted Commanders
90 plastic British Infantry
30 Hessian Infantry
120 Continental Infantry
30 plastic Colonial Militia
3 plastic field guns (6 or 9-pdr)
1 Molly Pitcher
8 plastic Woodland Indians
3 plastic Casualty Figures
Full colour flags for each regiment
1 Laser-cut wooden blockhouse
1 Laser-cut wooden ‘snake’ fences
3 resin gun gabions
also available to preorder
British Starter Army
MSRP $135
Continental Starter Army
MSRP $135
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Post by: RobertsMinis
Lots of new stuff this week.
Winter Americans, M8/M20 up for preorder, Sd.Kfz 251/2 Ausf D (8cm Granatwerfer) Half Track and terrain.
http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/new-releases
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Post by: MrMoustaffa
holy crap those rebellion box sets are huge
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Post by: joseph_curwen
Ugh, those winter Americans are great.
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Post by: Azazelx
Damn. I was hoping that the Winter Americans would be a plastic box.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Azazelx wrote:Damn. I was hoping that the Winter Americans would be a plastic box.
I was, too. They would have been an easy purchase for sci fying up.
Also, "The Winter American" would make a kick ass super hero...Er, movie.
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 ntdars wrote:
Barzam wrote:None that I'm aware of. Just wishing I could make them into plastic Steel Legion with as little effort as possible. Guess that's what Mad Robot is for.
Those would make for some awesome conversions. IIRC although Lasguns are a bit too bit for BA bodies. Here's one conversion I've seen;
http://i.imgur.com/QTne6Dz.jpg
GW guns always look absurd on normally proportioned bodies, heck the las gun is taller than most guard models!
Why not use the guns they come with? Rules wise an autogun=a lasgun.
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Post by: judgedoug
There's winter soviets ripe for sci fying up.
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Post by: BobtheInquisitor
Why did I not Know that. Definitely need some Space Soviets to fight my Eisenkern.
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 judgedoug wrote:Available to pre-order now, “Liberty or Death” – our new American War of Independence Battle Set:
Packed to the gunwales with over 285 highly detailed plastic infantry, cannons and Commanders for both the British and Rebel Continental Armies, this set is a fantastic way to start with your Rebellion!
MSRP $285
Oh, that looks sooooo nice. I'm really trying to get away from mass battle games requiring hundreds of figures but that looks sooooo tempting!
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