Asterios wrote: problem is when the SG's become the same, it will cost new backers, and so far Conan has slowed down a lot(not as much as exploding kittens did).
I keep seeing people who state that "the project has slowed down!" but then I look at the kicktraq daily figures which shows it has remained at a steady ~$50-$70k a day since the initial opening day peak.
Where are people getting the impression the funding is slowing down?
look at kicktraqs daily figures then number of backers per day. its not all about the dollars. its not a significant drop, just settling into the mid kickstarter dulldrums.
Asterios wrote: problem is when the SG's become the same, it will cost new backers, and so far Conan has slowed down a lot(not as much as exploding kittens did).
A mid-campaign lull is normal for any campaign. Things will trickle along at $50k/day until the last week, and we should see things pick up again. With $1M already raised, Conan is in a very strong position. They could conclude the campaign today, and they will have done exceptionally well by pretty much any measure.
In essence "we botched the stretch goal talking about a kraken head. This stretch is just for 5 more tentacles for a total of ten. Don't worry the kraken head will be popping up in the future "
so we're breaking up a goal into three goals as someone suggested to do with the equipment booster. Instead of an add on with a kraken head and 10 tentacles we give you 5, 5 and a kraken head.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in and satisfied with what in getting for my money right now, everything since day two or three has been gravy. I just don't like the games that get played with my games if you know what I mean.
And you what's really hilarious? Monolith could have simply increased the step to the next few SGs to cover the mistake. Nobody would have noticed - they would just have whined about how SGs were getting farther apart faster than the expected.
I'm just finding some of the nerdrage on the comments section pretty funny. They fethed up, big deal, it happens. Some folks are talking like they got personally violated though...
Anyway, I figure at least 1 person ragequit as I managed to nab an EB
Well new add on option is available. Two female figures by Paolo Parente:Valeria and Salome. How'd you guess they'd be oversexuallized female miniatures, I mean yeah it's Conan and he doesn't do ugly chicks , but now you add Paolo to the mix and you have women that make supermodels look like bag ladies.
$20 for this add on, so at this point if you are a completist that means your at the king level $135.00 plus $180.00 for all the add ons. So your right there with me right now, though I still might drop the expansion book, and I'm not sure I need 6 more dice (already getting 21) so I could drop $65 off of that total easy.
Looking at the artwork, the girls are less naked than I might have expected. Building off the 70s artwork, they could have been sculpted totally naked with optional coverings. Or not.
Pacific wrote: What beautiful artwork, I think manages to do it by just staying the right side of being overly-sexualised, while still being sexy as hell.
Think it really captures the 'Conan' feel and the whole 70's Frank Frazetta art style. Does anyone know who the artist is?
Paola Parente is the artist and sculptor. He was also an artist for Conan for three issues of marvel comics Conan. He is a big fan of Robert E Howard's work and also the driving force/creator of Dust tactics, Dust Rpg, and dust warfare. He also has done work on magic: the gathering and elsewhere. I think he had a zombicide artist figure as well.
Edit: many think he has the best accent in the gaming community. Here's the YouTube video that was in the update.
Pacific wrote: What beautiful artwork, I think manages to do it by just staying the right side of being overly-sexualised, while still being sexy as hell.
Think it really captures the 'Conan' feel and the whole 70's Frank Frazetta art style. Does anyone know who the artist is?
Paola Parente is the artist and sculptor.
Actually that is incorrect . Paolo Parente is the artist, not the sculptor on these. The 2nd sculpt will be shown in the next day or so.
OT: Sounds like some of you are looking for dungeon dressings. Stonemaier Games will have a KS for its prepainted realistic tokens for Eurogames. Many of these tokens can be used in RPGs and games like Conan or Zombicide. Not all of them are 28mm scale, though. Not that Conan wouldn't mind that huge hunk of steak.
OT: Sounds like some of you are looking for dungeon dressings. Stonemaier Games will have a KS for its prepainted realistic tokens for Eurogames. Many of these tokens can be used in RPGs and games like Conan or Zombicide. Not all of them are 28mm scale, though. Not that Conan wouldn't mind that huge hunk of steak.
For barrels and boxes, I personally prefer Hirst Arts molds. The molds are relatively inexpensive and are very easy to cast, especially if you are doing barrels. The great thing about barrels is that you can cast sort of sloppily as a smattering of air bubbles tends to make a barrel look rotten or worm-eaten.
And then you can make nice piles of refuse without worrying about what you are paying per barrel. Dental plaster is nice and weighty, so a few dental plaster crates/barrels will help to weigh down a terrain piece, as opposed to resin or plastic.
I've got a smattering of Hirst Arts barrels and other terrain scatter pieces, but these types of games aren't complete for me until they have their own boxes and barrels. Actually now that I think of it, I've got a fair amount of terrain rabble to toss about as it is.
Which is neither here nor there.
I'm very strange about board game pieces migrating from one box to another, so having Conan have his own barrels to throw at Picts while he punches camels makes things more complete in my own distorted logic.
I am also looking forward to the inevitable Conan vs Conan vs Conan scenarios that will assuredly crop up due to the most recent stretch goal.
Deathwolf wrote: Does anyone know what material the game boards are made of? I've looked around and been unable to find an answer. Thanks in advance!
I expect that it is some kind of chipboard, but quality is highly variable when it comes to chipboard, so knowing the finishing/manufacturer is a better guide to knowing how the boards will come out as you can go to a finished product by the manufacturer with the same specs and actually handle the board.
The Bone Golem also comes with a code to unlock one as a pet (!) in the Conan MMO. They also added content to the Khitai expansion (Hero, double-sided board, 2 scenarios) to make the price more attractive, and revealed anther add-on (5 Black Dragon allies).
Great day!
Of course there's been complaining from the usual suspects about how the Bone Golem is not canon and that Khitai is still too expensive. Can't please everyone...
Although, not sure about the story they have written with it. Wasn't it one where Conan had dressed his bodyguard in his personal armour to make it look like he was personally leading an attack (because he had been wounded and couldn't move?) Guy in armour then gets killed and his army falls apart in dismay as they think their king has been killed..? Not completely sure, it's a while since I read it.
Far to the South of Conan's home there lies a dry, arid land where a rugged, dark skinned people eke as much of a life as they can out of the sands. The environment is not the only danger in these lands however, there is a darker, more sinister power at work, one that man should have known to leave well enough alone but the promise of power is too tempting for some. Now the dead rest uneasily beneath the sands and monstrous beasts devour men like cattle as the great and powerful watch on, eternally.
Presenting Conan: The Boardgame's Second expansion, written by Bruno Cathala, the author of Five Tribes, Cyclades and Abyss. Delve deep into the sands of Stygia, through undead crypts and hordes of undead abominations to discover the real evil that lurks beneath this sunburnt land.
You've read it, you finally have the opportunity to oppose Conan to the most powerful sorceror of all time: the infamous Thot-Amon!
"With an inhuman cry Conan caught up his fallen sword and leaped into the path of the hurtling horror. But even as his sword went up, the forefeet of the black beast smote him like a thunderbolt and sent him hurtling a score feet away, dazed and bruised. Yasmela's cry came hauntingly to his stunned ears as the chariot roared"
by. Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
Also some of you will have noticed that the price tag has decreased on this expansion. Well, we originally planned to release a discount pack for purchasing both expansions. However, we thought this may be a little unfair to those who only wished to purchase one set. So instead, we decided to lower the price of both the expansions so everyone could be happy! Enjoy!
I would be willing to bet that the quality of the plastics will at least be as good as zombiecide so if that is the acceptable threshold then I would say you are in the clear. Some of these models will translate beautifully but others I do not think will. Dust Studios are very good at what they do.
Hey guys, a quick update as we promised we would keep you up to speed with the development of certain elements! First of all the lovely, Valeria based on Paolo Parent’s artwork:
Erm.. NSFW?
Spoiler:
Sculpted by Viktor Dragosani
Second, a more advanced, yet still unfinished, Bone golem!
Sculpted by Arnaud Boudoiron
Finally, my personal favorite, the nefarious sorcerer from our Khitai expansion, check out this bad boy!
Are they making the models? Do you have a source for that info? Should we be concerned about their current legal troubles?
Assuming Dust Studios are making the minis I think the Conan team will have to keep an eye on the issue if only because if legal action occurs between BF & Dust Studios or if there is no actual legal action but the relationship has broken down then the business will be in a much less solid state
but as long as they're not planning to hand over a big bag of cash upfront (which would be at risk if the business folded or had to spend all cash in hand on legal fees) it should not be a big problem. Write a solid contract, pay for minis on delivery (with or without late payment penalty) and everybody is happy.... (It might even mean a higher chance of on time delivery if they are not having to make stuff to supply BF on a regular basis)
I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures. I don't think that will be affected by their legal issues.
Interesting, it seems the Conan universe includes some form of medieval boob implant procedure
Still, it's getting to the point I'm considering going in despite my reservations about the models, purely on the basis that there are now so many surely some will be good. We'll see.
Theophony wrote: I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures.
Has this really been confirmed? The last I heard made it sound like the comparison to Dust was more "this is the quality we're shooting for, but we don't have any deals with a specific factory set up yet" rather than "they will be made through the same process, at the same factory". I could have missed something though.
Theophony wrote: I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures.
Has this really been confirmed? The last I heard made it sound like the comparison to Dust was more "this is the quality we're shooting for, but we don't have any deals with a specific factory set up yet" rather than "they will be made through the same process, at the same factory". I could have missed something though.
This is correct. I asked Jamie in the comments and he said it was the quality they were aiming for, not necessarily the same manufacturer. To my knowledge the manufacturer has not been disclosed.
Theophony wrote: I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures.
Has this really been confirmed? The last I heard made it sound like the comparison to Dust was more "this is the quality we're shooting for, but we don't have any deals with a specific factory set up yet" rather than "they will be made through the same process, at the same factory". I could have missed something though.
This is correct. I asked Jamie in the comments and he said it was the quality they were aiming for, not necessarily the same manufacturer. To my knowledge the manufacturer has not been disclosed.
Wait, what? Monolith hasn't even disclosed the manufacturer? Good luck with that.
Theophony wrote: I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures.
Has this really been confirmed? The last I heard made it sound like the comparison to Dust was more "this is the quality we're shooting for, but we don't have any deals with a specific factory set up yet" rather than "they will be made through the same process, at the same factory". I could have missed something though.
This is correct. I asked Jamie in the comments and he said it was the quality they were aiming for, not necessarily the same manufacturer. To my knowledge the manufacturer has not been disclosed.
Wait, what? Monolith hasn't even disclosed the manufacturer? Good luck with that.
Theophony wrote: I think what he meant is they are being made at the same factory that makes the dust studio figures.
Has this really been confirmed? The last I heard made it sound like the comparison to Dust was more "this is the quality we're shooting for, but we don't have any deals with a specific factory set up yet" rather than "they will be made through the same process, at the same factory". I could have missed something though.
This is correct. I asked Jamie in the comments and he said it was the quality they were aiming for, not necessarily the same manufacturer. To my knowledge the manufacturer has not been disclosed.
Wait, what? Monolith hasn't even disclosed the manufacturer? Good luck with that.
Not to my knowledge.
They may have done, but I haven't seen it.
Well apparently I and plenty of other folks were under the impression that Dust was manufacturing the figures. It is sort of weird to find out in the middle of a campaign that it was going to be something like the quality of a known manufacturer.
That + PVC + "high quality plastic" is the Kickstarter poster child for manufacturing red flags.
This is speculation on my part, but from what I'm reading/hearing it won't affect it at all. It almost sounds like Paolo is chalking the BF nonsense up as a loss, finalizing fulfillment with backers of he can, & moving forward.
->@Monolith, can you confirm if any company has been put in place to produce the minis yet and if so could we see something they have produced please?
Now I can understand a lot of you may be thinking that the guys who did Journey/Dust or the others are the ones making our miniatures seeing as how much I’ve stressed their resemblance. The truth is though, “I” do not know exactly who we are using, production isn’t exactly my domain but I will ask the question and get as much info for you guys as I can like always. However I can assure you we have someone lined up, agreements have already be made and hands shaken (you didn’t think we were going to produce this on such a tight schedule without having all that sorted out in advance right?). I will see what I can do about getting examples.
....
->@Jamie : Can we expect the print & play version today ?
I’m afraid not, I’m hoping for Monday/Tuesday
Seb_Super 34 minutes ago
From the designer himself : molds are made by Dust Studio, production is made by Ludofact Asia, using the same PVC as the one used in the Dust minis.
"Ok then guys an official statement concerning the miniature production:
We are indeed using the same factories as DUST:Tactics and The Others. Therefore, you can expect the same great quality. This agreement been in place for quite some time now so production will be starting on schedule. I also have assurances that the Battlefront/dust situation will have NO IMPACT on the production of the Conan minis! Finally, I am sorry to say that we will not be able to get a production sample in time for the end of the campaign however if you check out any Dust miniature you can see for yourselves "
Alex C wrote: Official statement from Jamie in the comments:
"Ok then guys an official statement concerning the miniature production:
We are indeed using the same factories as DUST:Tactics and The Others. Therefore, you can expect the same great quality. This agreement been in place for quite some time now so production will be starting on schedule. I also have assurances that the Battlefront/dust situation will have NO IMPACT on the production of the Conan minis! Finally, I am sorry to say that we will not be able to get a production sample in time for the end of the campaign however if you check out any Dust miniature you can see for yourselves "
It worries me a bit that they still don't seem to get why "look at models from another range" isn't necessarily any reassurance of the quality of the Conan models - you can have the best process in the world, but if some of the sculpts don't match up well with that process they're still going to look like arse.
It worries me a bit that they still don't seem to get why "look at models from another range" isn't necessarily any reassurance of the quality of the Conan models - you can have the best process in the world, but if some of the sculpts don't match up well with that process they're still going to look like arse.
True it may not be but maybe the following statement will: The guys at Monolith have been working with Paolo for many years now on other projects. An agreement was reached very early on in the project and as such all the models were sculpted with the relevant processes in mind
So why did you guys not produce a test run of a few minis before the KS began? Seems like it would have been simple enough to do. You have had enough time, you had the relationship in place far in advance, and the cost to produce a test run is nothing compared to the cost of all the marketing materials and certainly no object before the kind of money to be made from the project. 4 to 6 figures to a tool ( conservatively speaking ) a minimum lot of 1000 castings per cavity per tool? According the quotes I have had that cost should not have been at all beyond your reach.
Maybe it's because for many people they're directing the product at (board gamers) the resin masters are more than enough to indicate what you're going to get and are far, far, far cheaper to produce?
cincydooley wrote: Maybe it's because for many people they're directing the product at (board gamers) the resin masters are more than enough to indicate what you're going to get and are far, far, far cheaper to produce?
That's nice. Some of us aren't savvy about chucking $100+ at a company based on "indications", not when it was within their means to give us concrete examples. This isn't some startup company running a KS out of their garage, it's a lineup of established names working with a huge license who've evidently already done a lot of work prior to the KS and who made a big deal pre-campaign about the quality of the models(so don't give me that "it's for board gamers anyway, guh!" nonsense).
cincydooley wrote: Maybe it's because for many people they're directing the product at (board gamers) the resin masters are more than enough to indicate what you're going to get and are far, far, far cheaper to produce?
That's nice. Some of us aren't savvy about chucking $100+ at a company based on "indications", not when it was within their means to give us concrete examples. This isn't some startup company running a KS out of their garage, it's a lineup of established names working with a huge license who've evidently already done a lot of work prior to the KS and who made a big deal pre-campaign about the quality of the models(so don't give me that "it's for board gamers anyway, guh!" nonsense).
Which is why they've provided samples of similar work done by the production house?
I stand by every word I said. The demographic they're marketing to (board gamers) is plenty fine with the examples they're providing.
cincydooley wrote: Maybe it's because for many people they're directing the product at (board gamers) the resin masters are more than enough to indicate what you're going to get and are far, far, far cheaper to produce?
That's nice. Some of us aren't savvy about chucking $100+ at a company based on "indications", not when it was within their means to give us concrete examples. This isn't some startup company running a KS out of their garage, it's a lineup of established names working with a huge license who've evidently already done a lot of work prior to the KS and who made a big deal pre-campaign about the quality of the models(so don't give me that "it's for board gamers anyway, guh!" nonsense).
Which is why they've provided samples of similar work done by the production house?
I stand by every word I said. The demographic they're marketing to (board gamers) is plenty fine with the examples they're providing.
You aren't.
That's fine.
Doesn't mean they should cater to you, however.
If they didn't want miniature collectors expecting to be "catered to"(nice choice of wording, implies anyone who disagrees with you is expecting something extraordinary and unreasonable), they shouldn't have explicitly set out to court pledges from miniatures collectors, which is what they did when they emphasised the models pre-campaign and then sent their community manager guy onto BoW's Weekender to specifically state that the models are a priority(indeed he went to the extent of saying he told the company he would refuse to take a job with them if they weren't up for making the best models possible, or words to that effect).
Their main demographic may be board gamers, but you're just being disingenuous if you claim they weren't happy to make a point of pitching at collectors as well, at which point we're every bit as entitled to hold them to our standards as board gamers are to hold them to theirs.
Moopy wrote: Does anyone know why they went with 32mm?
A lot of company's are going 32mm now. More size to get more detail and also the models don't look as ham fisted as some of GW's work. Also GW's 28mm really isn't always 28mm.
If they didn't want miniature collectors expecting to be "catered to"(nice choice of wording, implies anyone who disagrees with you is expecting something extraordinary and unreasonable), they shouldn't have explicitly set out to court pledges from miniatures collectors, which is what they did when they emphasised the models pre-campaign and then sent their community manager guy onto BoW's Weekender to specifically state that the models are a priority(indeed he went to the extent of saying he told the company he would refuse to take a job with them if they weren't up for making the best models possible, or words to that effect).
Their main demographic may be board gamers, but you're just being disingenuous if you claim they weren't happy to make a point of pitching at collectors as well, at which point we're every bit as entitled to hold them to our standards as board gamers are to hold them to theirs.
Shoot, you're right.
That must be exactly why they've got a pledge that only includes miniatures sans the game itself.
cincydooley wrote: The demographic they're marketing to (board gamers) is plenty fine with the examples they're providing.
I dunno, you speak as if board gamers are a completely homogenous population that really don't care about the quality of the miniatures. I bet there's a percentage of "board gamers" that are swayed into pledging here because what they're seeing is some absolutely spectacular looking gaming pieces (aka miniatures). I think it feels alright that some miniature enthusiasts who are more material savvy are taking a bit more skeptical stance, pointing out that what you're seeing isn't necessarily exactly what you'll be getting.
#62
Demonic fury
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
Demons in the world of Conan are terrifying opponents and nefarious allies. Bound to those that summon them, they are a unnatural source of devastation upon the foes of their master.
"The desert is filled with my people; the demons of the earth shall do my bidding, as the reptiles of the earth obey me." Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
Demons such as this one are extremely powerful combatants. They never begin the game on the board but are instead summoned by powerful magical spells and bound to serve the sorcerer that brought them into the world. They activate at the same time as the mage, for no additional cost, making your mage’s activation tile extremely dangerous . However, as with all dark magic, there is a price to pay. The two models are henceforth linked and the death of one causes the immediate demise of the other. It could be described as putting all your eggs in one basket but, well, that’s one very painful basket. This set contains 1 large monster model and 2 Overlord Tiles.
The game is entirely scenario-based, which really limits the use of non-scenario entities. You either have to write your own missions or rely on fan-created stuff. Frankly your best value add-on is going to be the $20 book which at least enables you to use all of the models in the King pledge!
Also, several of their "exclusives" like the tiger have simply been alternate sculpts, so that's a possibility here.
Bioptic wrote: The game is entirely scenario-based, which really limits the use of non-scenario entities. You either have to write your own missions or rely on fan-created stuff. Frankly your best value add-on is going to be the $20 book which at least enables you to use all of the models in the King pledge!
Also, several of their "exclusives" like the tiger have simply been alternate sculpts, so that's a possibility here.
Jamie has confirmed that if something doesn't inherently come with a scenario, it will be usable in a scenario in some way. He has also said that some scenarios allow for some degree of model choice.
Also you don't need the campaign book to use the King content. It's the other way around. You need the King content to use the campaign book.
#64
Knock Knock, who’s there?
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
More scenery for your game boards, folks!
Today we’re looking at doors! Now, doors have no particular combat utility, but they are a lot easier than fiddling about with the tokens in the core box and they look a lot better!
And before anyone asks, yes, they do really open. I know right? The wonders of technology!
Sculpted by Grégory Clavilier
Might give this one a miss, as hopefully by the time Conan comes around I will have plenty of doors from Heroquest (yes, really! )
cincydooley wrote: Maybe it's because for many people they're directing the product at (board gamers) the resin masters are more than enough to indicate what you're going to get and are far, far, far cheaper to produce?
That's nice. Some of us aren't savvy about chucking $100+ at a company based on "indications", not when it was within their means to give us concrete examples. This isn't some startup company running a KS out of their garage, it's a lineup of established names working with a huge license who've evidently already done a lot of work prior to the KS and who made a big deal pre-campaign about the quality of the models(so don't give me that "it's for board gamers anyway, guh!" nonsense).
Which is why they've provided samples of similar work done by the production house?
I stand by every word I said. The demographic they're marketing to (board gamers) is plenty fine with the examples they're providing.
You aren't.
That's fine.
Doesn't mean they should cater to you, however.
If they didn't want miniature collectors expecting to be "catered to"(nice choice of wording, implies anyone who disagrees with you is expecting something extraordinary and unreasonable), they shouldn't have explicitly set out to court pledges from miniatures collectors, which is what they did when they emphasised the models pre-campaign and then sent their community manager guy onto BoW's Weekender to specifically state that the models are a priority(indeed he went to the extent of saying he told the company he would refuse to take a job with them if they weren't up for making the best models possible, or words to that effect).
Their main demographic may be board gamers, but you're just being disingenuous if you claim they weren't happy to make a point of pitching at collectors as well, at which point we're every bit as entitled to hold them to our standards as board gamers are to hold them to theirs.
You've summed up quite a few of my thoughts in these two posts.
That's a really cool piece of art, exactly as I imagined her in the book.
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#65
$1,710,000 – Pelias UNLOCKED! Next up: The call of the wild.
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
A helping hand is a helping hand, whether it has dark magic flowing through it or not, and Conan doesn't get around to allying with many sorcerers so it makes it all the more prominent!
Now we all know that Zogar Sag, Pict shaman from "Beyond the Black River", uses his knowledge of ancient and dark powers to communicate with and command the beasts of the forest. We've already seen some of these in the form of the giant snake and the sabertoothed tiger, but there is one more, even more powerful entity that Zogar Sag can command:
When he calls this demon to the world, Zogar Sag takes possession of its body. The demon is not activated normally like other models but instead activates when the shaman activates making them both very dangerous. The downside is that when one of them is slain, the other perishes instantly. In fact, this is how the shaman meets his end in Howard's tale when Conan slays the demon!
Illustration by Brom
« A face began to take shadowy form. At first Conan thought it was Zogar Sag himself who stood wrapped in green fire. But the face was higher than his own and there was a demoniac aspect about it--Conan had noted various abnormalities about Zogar Sag's features--an obliqueness of the eyes, a sharpness of the ears, a wolfish thinness of the lips; these peculiarities were exaggerated in the apparition which swayed before him. The eyes were red as coals of living fire. More details came into view: a slender torso, covered with snaky scales, which was yet man-like in shape, with man-like arms, from the waist upward; below, long crane-like legs ended in splay, three-toed feet like those of some huge bird. Along the monstrous limbs the blue fire fluttered and ran. He saw it as through a glistening mist. Then suddenly it was towering over him, though he had not seen it move toward him. A long arm, which for the first time he noticed was armed with curving, sickle-liketalons, swung high and swept down at his neck. With a fierce cry he broke the spell and bounded aside, hurling his ax. The demon avoided the cast with an unbelievably quick movement of its narrow head and was on him again with a hissing rush of leaping flames. But fear had fought for it when it slew its other victims, and Conan was not afraid. He knew that any being clothed in material flesh can be slain by material weapons, however grisly its form may be. One flailing talon-armed limb knocked his helmet from his head. A little lower and it would have decapitated him. But fierce joy surged through him as his savagely driven sword sank deep in the monster's groin. He bounded backward from a flailing stroke, tearing his sword free as he leaped. The talons raked his breast, ripping throughmail-links as if they had been cloth. »
It's a shame they're recycling old Brom art now instead of commissioning new work, since Brom's paintings were originally inspired by other sources and created for other purposes. I know I've seen some of it in the old Guardians CCG game. This is why the Forest Demon illustration doesn't match the REH text.
I guess maybe re-using older imagery is a way to save money on the KS exclusive pieces, which they won't make money on at retail after the campaign is over.
Trodax wrote: I dunno, you speak as if board gamers are a completely homogenous population that really don't care about the quality of the miniatures. I bet there's a percentage of "board gamers" that are swayed into pledging here because what they're seeing is some absolutely spectacular looking gaming pieces (aka miniatures). I think it feels alright that some miniature enthusiasts who are more material savvy are taking a bit more skeptical stance, pointing out that what you're seeing isn't necessarily exactly what you'll be getting.
Ooh! Ooh! Me! Me!
It's the bucket-o-miniatures crowd. They paint to tabletop or don't paint at all. They want pretty figures, but want them for games and don't want to pay prices for high quality display-level figures. Before KS, FFG started releasing soft plastic boardgame miniatures, which were at least better than cardboard standees. FFG also released games with higher price points. Personally, I think this primed boardgamers to be willing to pay for and want better quality figures *but* not necessarily display-level models. You can see the tabletop quality boardgamers are satisfied with in the Shadows of Brimstone, Imperial Assault, and Cthulhu Wars forums on BGG. It's definitely not hobby miniature painter standards, but it's better than lumps of soft grey plastic.
So, Tre, have you moved yet? ub3r_n3rd (sp) on Reaper only wanted specific models, so I think there's potential for a not-Conan display-level line of miniatures. Looks like some posters here would rather pay for a high quality miniature, rather than a bulk purchase!
ced1106 wrote: You can see the tabletop quality boardgamers are satisfied with in the Shadows of Brimstone, Imperial Assault, and Cthulhu Wars forums on BGG. It's definitely not hobby miniature painter standards, but it's better than lumps of soft grey plastic.
The funniest thing about this line is that the game that produced it's minis in HIPS has, by far, the worst miniatures of any of these games.
I'd contend that the minis FFG has been producing since Descent 2E came out are more than detailed enough for nearly all painters, and masters can get plenty of detail out of them.
But then again, I have to remind myself that Dakka is a haven for only master painters who certainly wouldn't deign to painting "lumps of soft grey plastic."
Trodax wrote: I dunno, you speak as if board gamers are a completely homogenous population that really don't care about the quality of the miniatures. I bet there's a percentage of "board gamers" that are swayed into pledging here because what they're seeing is some absolutely spectacular looking gaming pieces (aka miniatures). I think it feels alright that some miniature enthusiasts who are more material savvy are taking a bit more skeptical stance, pointing out that what you're seeing isn't necessarily exactly what you'll be getting.
The resin masters look pretty good, and it is claimed that they will be Dust quality, but have yet to see actual production-grade pieces. One would think that raising $500k in the first week would have greenlighted the production of at least 1 model to show by the end of the campaign.
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ced1106 wrote:It's the bucket-o-miniatures crowd. They paint to tabletop or don't paint at all. They want pretty figures, but want them for games and don't want to pay prices for high quality display-level figures.
So, Tre, have you moved yet? ub3r_n3rd (sp) on Reaper only wanted specific models, so I think there's potential for a not-Conan display-level line of miniatures. Looks like some posters here would rather pay for a high quality miniature, rather than a bulk purchase!
To be fair, if you count the stuff in a basic pledge, it working out to roughly 200 things for $100. That's quite a bucket o stuff, not that there's anything wrong with that.
At 200 things for $90, it's cheap enough to buy the pledge, pick what you like, and sell the incomplete remainder for $50-60 shipped.
I'm such a horrible painter, I refuse to even attempt to paint a board game, but will willingly subject myself to ruining Mierce figures quite regularly.
Ced has the right idea, and it was initially the FFG games that brought me back into the fold. Buckets of minis are quite a lure, especially when you have none to speak of.
Busting open that first edition Descent box was a thing of joy. Just like I imagine sifting through my final pledge for this will be.
ced1106 wrote: [You can see the tabletop quality boardgamers are satisfied with in the Shadows of Brimstone, Imperial Assault, and Cthulhu Wars forums on BGG. It's definitely not hobby miniature painter standards, but it's better than lumps of soft grey plastic.
Having all three, the Shadows of Brimstone are hands down the worst, and those are the hard plastic ones! I'd rank the man sized ones below D&D minis or star wars figures. Some of the creatures arent terrible, but I gave up trying to pick out faces on those things. Hopefully the next wave is improved :/
Holy crap! Is it really 200 pieces for $90.00??? I do not see how that is possible. That means even if the packaging is free ( which it isn't ) then the pieces are $.45 each!
yep we are moved btu not quite settled yet. I FINALLY got back to work today! I will get the KS launched by Monday.
tre manor wrote: Holy crap! Is it really 200 pieces for $90.00??? I do not see how that is possible.
That means even if the packaging is free ( which it isn't ) then the pieces are $.45 each!
By my last count, it's something like this:
- 74 miniatures in the base set
+32 pieces furniture / scenery
+70 miniatures unlocked
= 186 pieces total
$90 base pledge
+$15 S&H
= $105 total
It's still a lot of minis for the dollar, best I've seen since Bones 1. But keep in mind that this is all "realistic" 32mm minis - very few double-size models, with no really HUGE monsters. So that helps.
The paper seems to be relatively light, and I'm expecting relatively little paper per mini or group thereof. If you want a Conan-themed Heroquest game, and you think Monolith will delivery, this is pretty decent.
The other thing to note is the number of scuplts, which I count to be roughly 100, again, small sculpts. If these come out as monopiece monopose, then the tool cost will be low, without additional assembly cost, so that will also help.
I think it's doable, given that they will pull roughly $2.5M, maybe $3M.
Good analysis. I noticed that they went for the bucket-o-mini's approach early in the campaign, offering multiples of the same sculpt (nice to see alternate sculpts). This pulls in the OMG OMG QUANTITY OMG OMG backers (like yours assembly line painting truly), and brings in enough money to support the OMG THEY SORTA LOOK JUST LIKE THE BOOKS ALMOST OMG miniatures sculpts that aren't (yet) available elsewhere.
Probably doesn't hurt that Monolith isn't paying shipping. Free shipping isn't free, and if a creator offers "free" shipping, they have to cut back on the "free" stuff they can offer backers.
well.........sculpt size does not really alter cost in plastic the way it does with metal or resin. When you produce a piece in plastic you pay a flat fee per " shot " of plastic into a tool. That shot cost , according to what I have been quoted, does not change. The number of figures that go in to a tool makes a difference in what each casting costs. So you pay about the same amount for 6 figures as you might for one big monster that fits into one tool.
Anyway they pay about the same amount for every figure that goes in to the box. From what I have been quoted the price per casting does not mitigate with volume. So whether they order 100 or 100,000 copies of a particular figure they are going to pay the same distributed cost per group cast from the tool. I have been told that the average number of figures fit into a tool is 6 " 32 " mm figures. I do not know whether this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but I have had this same quote from 3 different well known sources.
One other consideration is the extent to which Reaper had to grow JUST to HOUSE all the product created in Bones 1. reaper has been arounf for a LONG time and had facilities in place before Bones launched. I do not know what Monolith are planning for fulfillment but I hope they are planning on getting a large facility to house all that stuff.
As for the cost per item. Don't forget the cards, dice, and large cards and boards that will be goign in as well. All those have costs too.
Azazelx wrote: What's the forecast pledge manager situation on this one?
It's straightlining for $2.2M.
For the deal being offered (150+ minis for $100), I wouldn't be surprised to see this in the $2.5M-$3M range when it's all over.
I mean can you put $1 down for now and then crank it up to one of the bundles later in the PM?
I wouldn't do that, as their minimum reward is $90.
You could definitely drop $90 and upgrade to King, etc. during the PM at a later date, but I wouldn't expect them to run the PM for very long.
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tre manor wrote: well.........sculpt size does not really alter cost in plastic the way it does with metal or resin.
When you produce a piece in plastic you pay a flat fee per " shot " of plastic into a tool. That shot cost , according to what I have been quoted, does not change. The number of figures that go in to a tool makes a difference in what each casting costs. So you pay about the same amount for 6 figures as you might for one big monster that fits into one tool.
Anyway they pay about the same amount for every figure that goes in to the box. From what I have been quoted the price per casting does not mitigate with volume. So whether they order 100 or 100,000 copies of a particular figure they are going to pay the same distributed cost per group cast from the tool. I have been told that the average number of figures fit into a tool is 6 " 32 " mm figures. I do not know whether this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer but I have had this same quote from 3 different well known sources.
One other consideration is the extent to which Reaper had to grow JUST to HOUSE all the product created in Bones 1. reaper has been arounf for a LONG time and had facilities in place before Bones launched. I do not know what Monolith are planning for fulfillment but I hope they are planning on getting a large facility to house all that stuff.
As for the cost per item. Don't forget the cards, dice, and large cards and boards that will be goign in as well. All those have costs too.
Sculpt size makes a *big* difference. The larger the "tool" (mold), the more it costs to produce. The "shot" itself is less than a penny, whereas tool costs run $5k or so, I pretty much assume production is nearly FREE, once you have the tools cut.
If those 6 monopose figures take up the same tool space as a 6-part monster when you lay it out, then:
- tool cost per model is 1/6 as much
- shot cost per model is 1/6 as much
- physical handling is less than 1/6 as much, due to removal of finishing / handling steps
For the same money as their 150x 32mm minis men, Conan could have given (maybe) 20x 54mm "Monsters" a la Arena Rex.
Reaper had ZERO injection plastic facilities in place. They had to buy the injection machine for subsequent restock.
The cost of printing in volume of 5,000+ copies is not very high on a per unit basis. Monolith will have huge economies of scale on this project.
The price quote I have been given per " shot " is definitely NOT .01 per figure. Not by a long shot. And $5,000.00 per tool is the far low end of the spectrum in terms of tooling costs.
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If they are indeed using Ludo Facts for production (with the moulds tooled by Dust Studios) then Ludo Facts themselves are a prime candidate to assemble/distribute the final box as boardgame creations & distribution is what they are all about
as they say on their website
"We've been bringing pleasure into the world for over 20 years: 70,000 board games per day, 350,000 games and puzzles a week and up to 13 million board games and puzzles a year - for 170 games publishers worldwide. We are the contact partners for a complete game: Production, assembly, packaging and shipping"
now whether Monolith will choose to use their other services beyond the production we don't know but it seems a reasonable bit of speculation
Some more updates, with details about the campaign and mission structure.
Am I allowed to post links to the PDFs they have provided?
#66
Let me tell you of the days… of high adventure!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
Here’s the third part of our P&P pack: the scenarios!
!!!Please note that they are ALPHA versions of the scenarios!!!
As you can see, the scenario descriptions are short and sweet, with the idea of getting you into the game and playing, rather than reading pages and pages of rules!
They start with a small background text, then show you the map you will be using and the deployment layout. After which comes two sections for the heroes and the Overlord, then special rules and finally, the loot deck.
All scenarios will be in this format.
ENGLISH SCENARIO: Savetage
ENGLISH SCENARIO: The Hunt of the Tigress
SCENARIO FRANÇAIS : Le sauvetage
SCENARIO FRANÇAIS : La chasse à la Tigresse
Whilst we are on the subject of scenarios, I thought it would be the perfect moment to make a few things a bit clearer concerning them!
So how many scenarios are there exactly? Well, below is a small breakdown of just how many we have planned for you straight out of the box:
Barbarian plege: 12 scenarios (8 in the scenario booklet + 4 in the scenario booklet that comes with the Map Stretch Goal)
King pledge: 16 scenarios (12 in the scenario booklet + 4 in the scenario booklet that comes with the Map Stretch Goal)
Campaign Book: 19 Scenarios (Requires King pledge)
Khitai Expansion: 4 Scenarios
Stygian Expansion: 4 Scenarios
Now that gives you a total of up to 43 scenarios depending on your pledge. In order to ensure that we meet our shipping deadlines, the printed scenario books will only include scenarios that are ready and have been sufficiently tested. We will then be publishing around 20 other official scenarios on our website. These will use all the unlocked stretch goals as well as the add-ons.
What is this website I speak of? Well it’s simple enough: We know just how important a community is to a game like this. Some of the veterans amongst you will know that games like Heroquest have lived on for years thanks to the hard work and dedication of their fan base. Well, here at Monolith, we don’t want to wait years for this to happen, we want to give you the tools needed to make your own scenarios and share them with the community NOW.
Monolith is going to create a community website that will allow you to do just that. Aside from standard features such as forums and the like, we will also be developing a comprehensive scenario template system that will allow you to create your own adventures and have them automatically set out like the examples given above! Save them, print them, share them with the world.
But that’s not all! We want to have this ready to go with content for when the game launches! How are we going to do that? We are currently preparing FIFTY prototypes of the Conan game, which will be sent out to 50 different gaming clubs around the world. Their mission, should they choose to accept it, will be to develop at least one scenario in the 8 months before the game launches.
Now just to be clear, this is not a stretch goal or anything else. It’s a community tool that is very important to us and we would have developed it regardless of the campaign’s results.
When we include these 50 or so additional scenarios to the first tally, it means that by the time you receive your box, there will be over 100 scenarios ready for you to play.
Really like the idea of them supplying creative tools for players to make their own scenarios, and actively assisting with the formation of the community. Really, we should have more of this kind of thing within the industry considering the communications technology we have nowadays.
And next update:
#67
From across the stars.
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
The last of his people, Yogah of planet Yag is a refugee from his far away home. His attemps to live out the rest of his life peacefully and discretely were shattered when Yara, a cruel individual interested only in power, enslaved him, tortured him and forced him to do his bidding.
The Yag-kosha we are presenting you with today is the proud and unbowed being that he was before his capture or even after Conan rescued him in an alternate story, able to be played as a fully-fledged hero called Yogah of Yag rather than as a non-playable piece, slumped in his marble throne. You could choose to have this model represent another of his dying race for a scenario or even recreate the events of “The Tower of the Elephant”, in which case this model would represent a weak and decrepit being. In any case, he is as close to a “good” hero as you can get, a user of white magics and ultimately a powerful (and exotic) friend to have! The model is currently being sculpted by Arnaud Boudoiron.
« Conan stared aghast; the image had the body of a man, naked, and green in color; but the head was one of nightmare and madness. Too large for the human body, it had no attributes of humanity. Conan stared at the wide flaring ears, the curling proboscis, on either side of which stood white tusks tipped with round golden balls. »
« I am very old, oh man of the waste countries; long and long ago I came to this planet with others of my world, from the green planet Yag, which circles for ever in the outer fringe of this universe. We swept through space on mighty wings that drove us through the cosmos quicker than light, because we had warred with the kings of Yag and were defeated and outcast. But we could never return, for on earth our wings withered from our shoulders. Here we abode apart from earthly life. We fought the strange and terrible forms of life which then walked the earth, so that we became feared, and were not molested in the dim jungles of the east, where we had our abode. »
« All this we saw, neither aiding nor hindering the immutable cosmic law, and one by one we died; for we of Yag are not immortal, though our lives are as the lives of planets and constellations. At last I alone was left, dreaming of old times among the ruined temples of jungle-lost Khitai, worshipped as a god by an ancient yellow-skinned race. Then came Yara, versed in dark knowledge handed down through the days of barbarism, since before Atlantis sank. »
I must say I Iike this look for Yogah as well; quite a bit more Cthulhuesque (with a dash of Predator) than a straight up "Elephant-Man". He looks pretty cool.
So has it been confirmed if you can add to this KS with a pledge manager? I'm in for 135 and plan to add some of the extras later. Upping my pledge constantly has become a pain in the ass. It use to be fun along with pressing f5 all day.
I'm actually contemplating doing the King and the barbarian pledges plus all the KS Exclusive add-ons. But will most likely skip the expansions for now as the KS price is only $5 cheaper than the retail price, plus that bulk is going to add shipping costs. This will also get me more of the KS exclusive miniatures as you'd get the stretch goals for each. (They've already stated this in the comments section). Really hoping my extra check gets here this weekend like its suppossed to. I want to pay from the bank account instead of a credit card bill the wife will see . If they do an all in then I'm just sunk as I will get that even though I think the expansions are not that great of a bang for the buck.
Also th comments section people believe that there might be a new expansion dropping tomorrow since the last two Friday's have given us expansions.
But then again, I have to remind myself that Dakka is a haven for only master painters who certainly wouldn't deign to painting "lumps of soft grey plastic."
You keep trying to bring up how no one is really a good enough painter to make use of the extra detail as if it's some sort of excuse for poor quality sculpts. Maybe some people want the extra detail to get better? Maybe some don't paint at all, and want the miniature to be detailed enough on it's own? If I want garbage to paint on, I'll just sculpt it myself. I don't paint on cardboard boxes- I actually buy canvases. Seriously, different strokes for different folks. I may not be a master painter, but I at least want something that will challenge me to get better. One can always paint Lego figures for their games if they don't want detail(they also come with so many bits! Super customizable with no magnets!). Bu most people want something decent to paint on.
Seriosuly, it's not an argument to say no one is good enough to paint that well.
For the most part the sculpts are pretty darn good.
Crispness is another issue, it pretty much out of the sculptors had. Depending on material and quality workmanship at the factor you could get something from piss poor to pretty good.
Some of the older boarder game minis were terrible if not all of them. looked like dollar store Bag-o-army men.
Sedition wars had great sculpts that suffered from material which didn't capture the true beauty of McVey's work, unfortunately. Considering the price you got what you paid for, disappointed but it is what it is. (oh the cliches)
Relic knights was a mild improvement on crispness though think that has to do more with the art direction and style than anything else. But still horrible to clean up.
WoK was an improvement over those to in terms of crispness (not as crisp as resin but when you consider price point...). Not sure if it is technique improvement or just the art style compliments the method of manufacturing and material?
Curious to know if the Dust Studio factor could produce something like Infinity, arena rex or darklands and achieve a similar result? Difficulties will remain as far working with material unless science can prevent mold lines.
Yep. I see difficulties imposed by the limitations of boardgames:
Durability: Boardgamers don't protect their miniatures like painters do. They expect the miniatures to be intact after tossing, er, placing them back into the box. This means plastic.
Cost: Boardgamers won't pay as much for miniatures as painters will. Again, this means plastic over resin and metal.
Assembly: Boardgamers want a game they can start playing out of the box. This means models with integrated bases, Shadows notwithstanding, whenever possible (eg. humans and human-sized monsters). This imposes limitations on the sculptor.
Monolith has said "ooh, shiny" with the miniatures, but I think this was to get the boardgamers to pledge. Through a volunteer, Monolith has been promoting Conan for something like a *year* on BoardGameGeek. How long have they been doing this on Dakka??
SedWars was OK model-wise - the material didn't photgraph well, tended to make the models look far worse than they were. This on top of CMoN / McVey screwing the pooch rules-wise - this is a game that desperately needs a competent rules-writer to salvage the toybox. Too bad that'll never happen.
RK models were generally good. The sculptors understood the models, and I think they came out quite nicely. The big difference is that the models have character and "life" to them.
WOK is a mixed-material thing, with hard polystyrene to get around the issues of sharpness and crispness that are practically impossible to achieve in "restic" PVC.
Dust vehicles appear to be some sort of hard styrene, perhaps ABS. Not sure about the infantry, but they do look pretty good.
I'm waiting on Journey and Forgotten King to see if PVC molding has gotten to the point that it could challenge the sort of resin they used in Arena Rex (a game that I love the look of, but too bad it's resin).
But then again, I have to remind myself that Dakka is a haven for only master painters who certainly wouldn't deign to painting "lumps of soft grey plastic."
You keep trying to bring up how no one is really a good enough painter to make use of the extra detail as if it's some sort of excuse for poor quality sculpts. Maybe some people want the extra detail to get better? Maybe some don't paint at all, and want the miniature to be detailed enough on it's own? If I want garbage to paint on, I'll just sculpt it myself. I don't paint on cardboard boxes- I actually buy canvases. Seriously, different strokes for different folks. I may not be a master painter, but I at least want something that will challenge me to get better. One can always paint Lego figures for their games if they don't want detail(they also come with so many bits! Super customizable with no magnets!). Bu most people want something decent to paint on.
Seriosuly, it's not an argument to say no one is good enough to paint that well.
My point is that the models will have more than enough detail. Always has been.
I think the constant "dur, dey not gon be good nuff'" argument that keeps popping up in this thread is absurd.
I also think the samples from other Dust productions are plenty to give us an idea of the level of quality we can expect from these.
JohnHwangDD wrote: SedWars was OK model-wise - the material didn't photgraph well, tended to make the models look far worse than they were. This on top of CMoN / McVey screwing the pooch rules-wise - this is a game that desperately needs a competent rules-writer to salvage the toybox. Too bad that'll never happen.
RK models were generally good. The sculptors understood the models, and I think they came out quite nicely. The big difference is that the models have character and "life" to them.
WOK is a mixed-material thing, with hard polystyrene to get around the issues of sharpness and crispness that are practically impossible to achieve in "restic" PVC.
Dust vehicles appear to be some sort of hard styrene, perhaps ABS. Not sure about the infantry, but they do look pretty good.
I'm waiting on Journey and Forgotten King to see if PVC molding has gotten to the point that it could challenge the sort of resin they used in Arena Rex (a game that I love the look of, but too bad it's resin).
I don't think pvc models will challenge the quality (appearance/presentation) that resin can anytime soon if at all. Resin's biggest draw back though, it's not very "gamer friendly" Stuff can snap fairly easily especially with thin swords, spears and details.
I want to know more about the resin used in dropzone commander, was told you can throw it at a wall and bend it at a 45 degree angle and nothing happens to it. Seems to hold excellent detail? Don't know never handled the stuff.
At tabletop scales and distances, they will look really good.
Resin is brittle, by nature. Not a tabletop-friendly material at all. But it looks nice and photographs beautifully.
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I see more updates tied to breaking $1.8M. Pledging has picked up going into the weekend, and I think we'll start to see pledges climb further. I think we're going to see stretches at $1.9, $2.0, $2.1, $2.25, $2.5M, so 5 or 6 more unlocks. I assume at least a couple of them will be paper, and hope for a Red Sonja and a King Conan to cap things off, along with a princess to rescue.
Those look pretty good, detail was never the biggest issue (for me). It is more about the cleanup difficult and clean up time in comparison of PVC.
Quality has seem to improve from SedWards to WoK but was told it was a different "formula" they definitely feel different . The WoK weapons are made of ABS (plastic used in Legos) but the bodies being PVC do feel different. They are still bendy but doesn't feel like a hockey puck like the sedwars minis did.
Pics you showed illustrate that pvc can capture a good deal of detail, particularly big open areas and loses detail in the small little areas like those beads. More of a concern if you are worried about competition painting, I assume.
anyone know the start up costs for PVC models?
Metal models is a few hundred bucks
wyrd said HIPs are 5k to 20k on up depending on complexity/detail and frame size
Cleaning and assembling SedWars was the worst. And then playing a terrible game. RAAAGE!
Journey seems to have among the best PVC models I've ever seen. For tabletop, they will be really good. If you're going competition, Marrow did sell all-resin pledges - I bet those are amazing.
There WILL NOT be a red Sonja figure. It's rights are owned by a seperate company (marvel I believe), and this has been stated multiple times in the kickstarter. They even said that there would not be a not red Sonja figure as they want this to go to print without any chance of any ip disputes like aliens versus predator.
#68
$1,800,000 – Forest Demon Unlocked! Next up: There is no second best.
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
You people seem to have really liked the demon mechanic so I hope you'll have a lot of fun with this model!
Next up, we have the self-styled Prince of thieves himself: Taurus! Making his appearance in the tale "The Tower of the Elephant", he and Conan conspire to steal the Heart of the Elephant together, a jewel of immense value!
Don't let his looks fool you, he possesses a speed and agility that belies his bulk. He is a master thief, playing very much like Shevatas and although the king of thieves can still vouch to being the quickest, Taurus has a few tricks up his sleeve in the form of some very exotic equipment that's handy for getting him out of difficult situations. Taurus meets a rather grisly end at the hands (or rather mandibles) of the tower's guardian, a deadly giant spider. Conan manages to best it and avenge his friend before moving on to discover Yag-kosha.
Illustration by Adrian Smith
"Straining his eyes in the gloom, Conan saw a hint of motion through the shrubs near the wall. Thither he glided, gripping his sword. He made no more noise than a panther stealing through the night, yet the man he was stalking heard. The Cimmerian had a dim glimpse of a huge bulk close to the wall, felt relief that it was at least human; then the fellow wheeled quickly with a gasp that sounded like panic, made the first motion of a forward plunge, hands clutching, then recoiled as the Cimmerian's blade caught the starlight. For a tense instant neither spoke, standing ready for anything. "You are no soldier," hissed the stranger at last. "You are a thief like myself." "And who are you?" asked the Cimmerian in a suspicious whisper. "Taurus of Nemedia." The Cimmerian lowered his sword. "I've heard of you. Men call you a prince of thieves." A low laugh answered him. Taurus was tall as the Cimmerian, and heavier; he was big-bellied and fat, but his every movement betokened a subtle dynamic magnetism, which was reflected in the keen eyes that glinted vitally, even in the starlight. He was barefooted and carried a coil of what looked like a thin, strong rope, knotted at regular intervals."
Robert E. Howard - The Tower of the Elephant
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#69
Let the games begin!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
The final piece to the puzzle for all you budding bad guys out there: The Overlord’s rulebook!
As always, please remember that this is an ALPHA VERSION!
This also allows us to release the eagerly awaited Print & Play pack, which should allow you all to try the game out this weekend!
You can download it HERE
It contains: - The Hero’s Rulebook - The Overlord’s Rulebook - Character sheets and Overlord tiles - Model silhouettes and tokens - The rescue scenario brief - The Pict village map - Equipment cards & list of starting equipment - A dice conversion chart
Have fun! If you have any questions then feel free to ask them here
Finally we thought that, as we bring you this demo version of the game, it would be cool if you could meet the man behind the magic. Who is Frédéric Henry? What’s his story and that of the Conan game? Well now you can find out!
Theophony wrote: There WILL NOT be a red Sonja figure. It's rights are owned by a seperate company (marvel I believe), and this has been stated multiple times in the kickstarter. They even said that there would not be a not red Sonja figure as they want this to go to print without any chance of any ip disputes like aliens versus predator.
Fine. Just give us a KS-exclusive blonde in a chainmail bikini. That'll be completely different.
You could do a triple Belit team if you get the Brom box.
Almost as fun as multiple Conans vs Conans.
Now all I need are a pile of Bruce Lees from Dragon Tides, and we can have the clones of Bruce Lee versus time traveling Conans in an all out skirmish battle. Naturally the real ones would have to team up in the end to defeat self- aware robots sent from the future that have allied with invisible alien hunters...
Heck, that wouldn't be that far of a stretch for some of those terminator crossovers...
According to the update, the expansion for 50 bucks contains-
Niord, Aesir Hero
5 Aesir warrior allies
10 Vanir warrior Minions
Atali, the daughter of Ymir, the frost-giant, Leader
Atali's Brothers, 2 frost giant monsters
5 Monstrous Crow minions
1 double sided game board (Frozen battlefield and deep winter forest)
4 scenarios written by Croc and Sippik
Token, tiles and Character sheets.
And is written by Croc, the dude who did Claustrophobia (which is a cool game too).
This one I may end up grabbing. A bit more variety in what we get in terms of figures.
highlord tamburlaine wrote: The clencher for me is whether or not we can add stuff in the PM multiple times.
This is pretty much a given. They have lots of options that need clarity of what you want, plus payment for shipping. The campaign is designed for a post-KS bump.
I think it would be "safe" to pledge $90 if you want PM access. That's a minimum Barbarian pledge. I am sure they won't be upset of you tack on all sorts of extras afterward.
Less than $5k away from next stretch goal. Looks like this expansion got a lot of people jumping up their bids. Plus into the final week Wednesday we did 63k, yesterday was 75k and so far today we are at 85k with time to go. This weekend should be interesting to say the least.
Kicktraq has this back up to 2.25million as estimated total, I think it will wind up well north of that. Just not exploding kittens north of that .
Moopy wrote: Does anyone know why they went with 32mm?
A lot of company's are going 32mm now. More size to get more detail and also the models don't look as ham fisted as some of GW's work. Also GW's 28mm really isn't always 28mm.
GW has a WEIRD idea of what "28mm" means.
I haven't seen an actual "28mm" figure from GW since the 1990's.
Their work is definitely in the 30mm+ size.
Pretty much everyone these days does 30mm/32mm, as these are closer to 1/48 or 1/35 scale models....
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Trodax wrote: I must say I Iike this look for Yogah as well; quite a bit more Cthulhuesque (with a dash of Predator) than a straight up "Elephant-Man". He looks pretty cool.
Remember that Lovecraft and. Howard were friends, and that Howard's worlds were deeply influenced by Lovecraft's works.
There is even some suggestion in the letters exchanged between the two that Hyboria is the world that arose immediately after the defeat of the Elder Gods, and that their influence and minions were still making trouble in the world.
The Tower of the Elephant is actually an homage to Lovecraft, and Yogah is supposed to be associated with some of the Elder Gods.
I really like that story, actually reading about that makes a lot of sense.
Some other snippets from that update:
Summoned by Salome in the tale “A Witch Shall be Born”, Thaug is a demon of horrible power and also the being on the other end of all those tentacles we’ve already offered you! In the tale, Salome unleased Thaug on the city Khauran, when Conan and his army of Zaugir mercenaries and Khaurani knights break through the fake queen's men, led by Constantius. The beast is slain but only after two full volleys of arrows from Conan’s forces, that’s a lot of arrows!
« Out of the gloom at the other end of the great hall a vast dark form heaved up--came rushing toward him in gigantic frog-like hops. He saw the gleam of great unearthly eyes, the shimmer of fangs or talons. »
Robert E. Howard - A Witch Shall Be Born
In the game, Thaug will be the centerpiece of any scenario he is in. Normally summoned, the first signs of his arrival will be his grasping tentacles before the monstrous fanged head bursts from the ocean, swamp or even reality itself!
Sculpted by Grégory Clavilier
We also really want to thank all of you for helping us get this far and so we have another, secret surprise for you guys once we hit this landmark stretch goal!
Illustration by Adrian Smith
« Squeezing its vast, unstable bulk through the door, it bounded toward him, as he ran down the steps. He felt it looming behind him, a giant shadowy thing, like a travesty of nature cut out of the heart of night, a black shapelessness in which only the staring eyes and gleaming fangs were distinct. »
Robert E. Howard - A Witch Shall Be Born
Huh. Not a huge fan of the King Conan sculpt. He's pretty much always depicted in full plate armour, as king, if he's expecting a fight... and even if he's not, he should at least have had time to throw on a mail hauberk and jam a horned helmet on his head.
So someone posted this link http://www.kingpledger.com/be535af327595b57633db3f75faedc79?share=2f6ea696f3e383b8b6d758ff87578ab6 which is an unofficial pledge manager just to help figure your total costs. Right now we are looking at $492 for one of everything with a king bundle, that's before shipping. If you get a king bundle and one of each of the kickstarter exclusive items it's $192 plus shipping. I think I'm going for just the king and exclusives, while the e pensions seem like they will be GREAT, I see them as adding more shipping costs and they are only $5 less than retail price.
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#75
Important shipping update (yes, no fancy/witty title this time)
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
First of all, sorry it’s taken us a while to get back to you guys with this, we had an awful lot of info that we needed to pull together before making a final estimation as well as getting a clear idea of just how far this Kickstarter could go in order for that estimation to be accurate.
This is the current situation: When we started this project, we stated that we could deliver the game in October, it was ambitious but we stood by it because we wanted to get your rewards to you asap and we believed it was feasible. The project has now grown immensely and it will come as a surprise to noone that we had to reconsider our delivery expectations. We approached this with the same realistic yet positive attitude that we had when we decided on our first delivery date.
The most important thing is: We still expect to ship your rewards to you for October! I know this statement will raise quite a few eyebrows and many question will be asked about just what state of mind we were in when we decided this, but it remains fact as the project has been a huge success and we have our work cut out for us in the months to come, but it is still doable! We will of course be updating you guys regularly on the game’s progress and if there are any delays, you will all be the first ones to know, but if all goes well, you should have all your Conan stuff by the end of October!
Now, concerning shipping fees: With the HUGE increase in content thanks to all the unlocked stretch goals, the price has of course increased. However, we have done our best with our partners in order to retain a respectable price.
The estimations below are the average cost (depending on the exact country/location) for a King pledge with all the stretch goals so far and no add-ons. These will be dispatched from either of our two logistical centers in mainland France and the United States.
Western Europe: $35
Eastern Europe : $35
North America : $45
South America : $80
New Zealand : $90
Australia : $80
South Africa : $100
Japan : $55
China : $80
Taiwan : $60
We are currently missing the estimation for Canada and seeing if we cannot circumvent the import taxes for you guys. We will let you know as soon as we have any answers.
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$45 for US shipping seems really high considering they have a US Asmodee distribution center. I can ship a 20 pound package almost anywhere in the US for less than $30 with 3 day delivery.
Might have to drop the king pledge to make it more affordable. Definitely not buying any add ons.
Take the initial shipping estimate for the game. Deduct it from the revised shipping costs. The remainder is what you're paying for all those stretch goals. Still a good deal, right? I'd certainly be happy paying $30 (US example) for all that content.
Besides, they said these estimates are on the higher end so people aren't surprised with higher costs if they happened. They could have done what others have done before and just slapped you with huge charges after they took your pledge money. At least they're being upfront about it now rather than later.
I think you have to ask yourself how much you'll play with the extra content as well though. If this is going to be your "go to" game for a while, it may be worth it, so $180 for a King Pledge (with shipping).
OTOH, figure the base game will be $65-ish from MM or Cool Stuff Inc (and with a few other bits and bobs, free shipping), so are the extras worth the extra $115 or so? I think I might just drop to the Barbarian pledge.
I am glad they released the rules and PnP, because I really like this game. I just have too many mounds of content from other KS that are in the closet at this point to be excited over nearly $200 for the sweet spot.
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#76
Important Shipping update #2
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
It is important that everyone realizes that we are trying to get the BEST rate with the SAFEST system. Nobody wants their merchandise getting lost in the winds. Rest assured we WILL REVALUATE the cost once we have a precise weight for the package. As it stands, the figures that we have given you are a rough estimation and an over-estimation at that! We will evaluate all the possible alternatives to mitigate the price once we have all the details, this is our first Kickstarter so we don’t have a lot of data to go on.
I know it is not an easy pill for you all to swallow, but we are here, as a company, to have a long term relation with you, the public, not fool you around to earn a quick buck not try to pull the wool over your eyes!
Did we think there would be a negative reaction to this announcement? Yes. Why did we do it then? Because I started this campaign telling you all that Monolith was an honest and transparent company, and I’ll be damned if I don’t finish it that way. The more astute, business like procedure would be to of informed you of this after we had taken your pledge money but that’s not how Monolith works.
As previously stated, we purposefully overestimated the weight of the package so as not to make matters worse. If you wish to calculate this for yourselves then this is how we did it: We used FedEx, fully tracked with a weight of 8kg.
This does not mean that we will use FedEx for certain, we are running with the ball as best we can during this campaign but we currently don’t have the time to do real, in depth shipping studies like we will once it ends. Truth be told most EU parcels will possibly use Colissimo, which is cheaper and the US especially will be cheaper.
Therefore, you can expect your shipping to be lower than the figures given.
Also, and I hate to mention this; and it will really disappoint me when it happens but it’s only a matter of time before someone spews this out: Monolith IS NOT intending to make any money off of shipping. We will be charging you what it costs us. Nothing more, nothing less.
I want to thank all of you again for the trust that you have placed in us and I want to assure you that we are committed to providing you with the best game possible at the fairest cost possible.
Jamie & the Monolith team.
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It's good to estimate high rather than low ball and then have to come back after the fact and charge more. And first class shipping is something I can appreciate. I got free shipping with Cthulhu Wars kickstarter and they used the cheapest shipping possible. Lots of people have damaged parts and my game got lost by the USPS. Even though I was on the first shipment, still don't have my game and no time table on when I might get it. 30 days and counting since it was shipped out. They offered to ship another copy and gave me a tracking number saying it left their hands on the 26th, and it looks like it is lost too. No tracking updates at all on it in the last 10 days. Might as well add the estimated shipping amount to your pledge now so that it counts towards stretch goals rather than add it after the campaign when it won't.
They are also claiming that even with all the additional content, October is still a possibility for delivery. I'm skeptical, but if they pull it off that's awesome.
Theophony wrote: So someone posted this link http://www.kingpledger.com/be535af327595b57633db3f75faedc79?share=2f6ea696f3e383b8b6d758ff87578ab6 which is an unofficial pledge manager just to help figure your total costs. Right now we are looking at $492 for one of everything with a king bundle, that's before shipping. If you get a king bundle and one of each of the kickstarter exclusive items it's $192 plus shipping. I think I'm going for just the king and exclusives, while the e pensions seem like they will be GREAT, I see them as adding more shipping costs and they are only $5 less than retail price.
Hi,
I'm the creator of this unofficial pledge manager.
I hope you'll like it and if you have suggestions, remarks or if you see issues, don't hesitate to let me know here, by PM or via facebook (https://www.facebook.com/KingPledger)
I also updated the shipping estimations following the last updates of Monolith.
Theophony wrote: So someone posted this link http://www.kingpledger.com/be535af327595b57633db3f75faedc79?share=2f6ea696f3e383b8b6d758ff87578ab6 which is an unofficial pledge manager just to help figure your total costs. Right now we are looking at $492 for one of everything with a king bundle, that's before shipping. If you get a king bundle and one of each of the kickstarter exclusive items it's $192 plus shipping. I think I'm going for just the king and exclusives, while the e pensions seem like they will be GREAT, I see them as adding more shipping costs and they are only $5 less than retail price.
Hi,
I'm the creator of this unofficial pledge manager.
I hope you'll like it and if you have suggestions, remarks or if you see issues, don't hesitate to let me know here, by PM or via facebook (https://www.facebook.com/KingPledger)
I also updated the shipping estimations following the last updates of Monolith.
Thanks , I saw it posted a while back too in the comments section, but was on my phone at the time. Very helpful.
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#77
$2,100,000 – Kothian Archer UNLOCKED! Next up : Comic relief
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
We have steamed past the 2 million mark with all the velocity and recklessness of a train driven by a particularly drunk Cimmerian!
Speaking of drunken Cimmerians however, I think it’s time for a slightly more light hearted stretch goal.
Demons, monsters and heroes are all very well and good, but you need to go back to your roots once in a while… and punch a camel.
Now the camel… is a classic, I’m sure most of you will get the reference, if you don’t, then there is a VERY IMPORTANT film that you need to watch before the end of this campaign!
This simple beast of burden will be at the time scenery, ally, scenario objective, walking chest… We have quite a few ideas for this one which should make some of games a bit less intense than others WORK IN PROGRESS
WORK IN PROGRESS
« A few days' ride on camelback to the southwest, as Shevatas knew, would bring the traveller within sight of the great river Styx at the point where it turned at right angles with its former course, and flowed westward to empty at last into the distant sea. At the point of its bend began the land of Stygia, the dark-bosomed mistress of the south, whose domains, watered by the great river, rose sheer out of the surrounding desert. »
Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
« Behind all came a camel in rich housings, led by a knight on a great war-horse, and surrounded by a clump of picked fighters from the royal house troops. Its rider, under the silken canopy of the seat, was a slim, silk-clad figure, at the sight of which the populace, always mindful of royalty, threw up its leather cap and cheered wildly. Conan the Cimmerian, restless in his plate armor, stared at the bedecked camel with no great approval, and spoke to Amalric, who rode beside him, resplendent in chain mail threaded with gold, golden breastplate and helmet with flowing horsehair crest. »
Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
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Theophony wrote: So someone posted this link http://www.kingpledger.com/be535af327595b57633db3f75faedc79?share=2f6ea696f3e383b8b6d758ff87578ab6 which is an unofficial pledge manager just to help figure your total costs. Right now we are looking at $492 for one of everything with a king bundle, that's before shipping. If you get a king bundle and one of each of the kickstarter exclusive items it's $192 plus shipping. I think I'm going for just the king and exclusives, while the e pensions seem like they will be GREAT, I see them as adding more shipping costs and they are only $5 less than retail price.
Hi,
I'm the creator of this unofficial pledge manager.
I hope you'll like it and if you have suggestions, remarks or if you see issues, don't hesitate to let me know here, by PM or via facebook (https://www.facebook.com/KingPledger)
I also updated the shipping estimations following the last updates of Monolith.
I might be silly, but how about extra stamina gems or stuff like that. We got extra dice already, and I could see us run out of gems if we ran an all Conan team.
$45 seems REALLY high for US Shipping from a US hub. I've had some fairly heavy boxes come from CMoN, and none of them have even been remotely that high.
cincydooley wrote: $45 seems REALLY high for US Shipping from a US hub. I've had some fairly heavy boxes come from CMoN, and none of them have even been remotely that high.
Very curious.
They estimated on the high end. It will almost certainly end up lower. Better than, for example, CMON surprising people with massive shipping fees in the PM, no? At least here you can make an educated decision about your pledge total, or if you want to keep your pledge at all.
They estimated on the high end. It will almost certainly end up lower. Better than, for example, CMON surprising people with massive shipping fees in the PM, no? At least here you can make an educated decision about your pledge total, or if you want to keep your pledge at all.
I've never experienced this mythical "massive shipping fee" from CMoN. My Zombicide 3 pledge, with two rather large boxed games and all the extras, was $13. Now, I'm in Ohio and its coming from Georgia, but that's still pretty inexpensive.
My shipping cost for SDE Forgotten King, with two full sets of the games and multiple extras, was only $15 (so $25 if you include their credit) and that's coming from the west coast.
So again, I think $45 is a bit farther out than just "the high end." It's the skyscraper end.
A lot of overseas folks were seeing $50-$100 (+ taxes) for Z3.
Granted, $45 is higher for US than Z3 or SDE.
But again, high end estimate and was given to us before the close of the funding period. I just consider it compared to all the SG we get and I'm ok with it.
Alex C wrote: A lot of overseas folks were seeing $50-$100 (+ taxes) for Z3.
Granted, $45 is higher for US than Z3 or SDE.
But again, high end estimate and was given to us before the close of the funding period. I just consider it compared to all the SG we get and I'm ok with it.
They should be receiving bulk discounting. It's shipping from within the US to the US. And $45 is half the cost of the game itself. Those three factors alone make it a really tough pill to swallow.
Hopefully they'll address it and factor in the substantial bulk discount they should get, and then make another post.
I mean, this is the first criticism I've had of the campaign, as I think it's been really well run. But $45 is a bit much and people are going to be understandably turned off by it
I'm sure they will get a bulk discount, but until they are in a position to know exactly what it might be (so number of packages, and maximum weights) they won't be able to get an exact amount
better to over estimate than under estimate (unless you're prepared to swallow any excess)
I know a bunch of folk from South America and Australasia (hopefully their new shipping hub down their will have fisxed that in future) have been badly stung in some of the CMON KS that have needed shipping after the fact (although they've been right for America and the EU
I have been shipping boxes across the US for 7 years and I ONLY spend upwards of $25.00 on shipping int he US when I have a MASSIVE box full of a few hundred figures packaged in clamshells.
$45 for domestic shipping in the US for a boxed board game from a US hub is ridiculous plain and simple.
A bit of a rookie move, but looks like it didn't hurt too much. They would have been better served saying to figure $25, but could be higher or lower depending on location. To put things into perspective, shipping a 20 lb (9 KG) package from L.A. to Boston costs under $40 at the personal rate (business/bulk are quite a bit cheaper), much less a more centralized shipping warehouse. No way a core pledge is going to be anywhere near 20 lbs.
I really would love to know how they came up with $45; just out of curiosity more than anything else.
They pulled the cost of a 8kg? (some fixed amount that would be more than the maximum of everything) insured tracked shipment off the FedEx website and those are the numbers they have used
they have said that this does NOT mean they will use FedEx (although it is one of the options), but will look around and negotiate any possible discounts with a variety of shippers after the KS when they have more time
(can't remember if this is from them in the comments or in an update)
Don't forget the weight of all the paper. No joke with all the card stock profiles and everything this will be one heavy beast. I missed out on zombicide, and haven't gone as crazy on an other set yet like I'll be doing here. I figure my shipping will still be well lower than what they have estimated.
Karazax wrote: $45 for US shipping seems really high considering they have a US Asmodee distribution center.
If Asmodee has a US DC, $45 is highway robbery. With EU fulfillment at $35, $35 would be on the high side and $30 would be about right. Monolith needs to revisit distribution and clarify what the real expectation should be.
There isn't that much paper in this game. Ogre DE was 28 lbs of printed stuff, literally half a ream of paper, and they shipped for FREE.
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JohnHwangDD wrote: My biggest issue is that it's a total sausage fest. More girls, please.
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BTW, with 2.04M raised and 3d:10h to go, I'm thinking we're going a final number around $3M.
Scratch that. My biggest issue is now the shipping being excessive pretty much across the board. Did Monolith double the shipping estimates that were given?
With the inflated shipping estimate, Monolith may well have killed the final bump that was building. At this rate, they will end more like $2.5M vs $3.0M. Oops. Still strong, but clearly not the way they should have ended the campaign.
By setting their pledges at $90 and $135, instead of CMON's $100 and $150, they've dorked themselves out of $10 and $15 they could have hidden into the price and applied to discounted, if not "free", shipping.
Somewhat related, studies have shown that, psychologically, customers will pay more money for "free" shipping than separate shipping.
Moopy wrote: Does anyone know why they went with 32mm?
A lot of company's are going 32mm now. More size to get more detail and also the models don't look as ham fisted as some of GW's work. Also GW's 28mm really isn't always 28mm.
GW has a WEIRD idea of what "28mm" means.
I haven't seen an actual "28mm" figure from GW since the 1990's.
Their work is definitely in the 30mm+ size.
Does GW even claim a scale these days? They've just been all about "The GW Hobby" for years now, and I don't know that I've seen a scale reference from them in years.
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After seeing the shipping quote, it's close enough to doubling the price to make me change my mind from putting in $90 now to putting in $1 and worry about it later. My exposure to Conan has just been the films, as I've not read any Howard, and I've got a ton of other games of all kinds to play, so I don't have that "fan urge" on this one.
Well I can't believe they have gone and done it and added the camel!
#77
$2,100,000 – Kothian Archer UNLOCKED! Next up : Comic relief
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
We have steamed past the 2 million mark with all the velocity and recklessness of a train driven by a particularly drunk Cimmerian!
Speaking of drunken Cimmerians however, I think it’s time for a slightly more light hearted stretch goal.
Demons, monsters and heroes are all very well and good, but you need to go back to your roots once in a while… and punch a camel.
Now the camel… is a classic, I’m sure most of you will get the reference, if you don’t, then there is a VERY IMPORTANT film that you need to watch before the end of this campaign!
This simple beast of burden will be at the time scenery, ally, scenario objective, walking chest… We have quite a few ideas for this one which should make some of games a bit less intense than others
« A few days' ride on camelback to the southwest, as Shevatas knew, would bring the traveller within sight of the great river Styx at the point where it turned at right angles with its former course, and flowed westward to empty at last into the distant sea. At the point of its bend began the land of Stygia, the dark-bosomed mistress of the south, whose domains, watered by the great river, rose sheer out of the surrounding desert. »
Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
« Behind all came a camel in rich housings, led by a knight on a great war-horse, and surrounded by a clump of picked fighters from the royal house troops. Its rider, under the silken canopy of the seat, was a slim, silk-clad figure, at the sight of which the populace, always mindful of royalty, threw up its leather cap and cheered wildly. Conan the Cimmerian, restless in his plate armor, stared at the bedecked camel with no great approval, and spoke to Amalric, who rode beside him, resplendent in chain mail threaded with gold, golden breastplate and helmet with flowing horsehair crest. »
Robert E. Howard - Black Colossus
Also, top work managing to find camel references in the books!
After seeing the shipping quote, it's close enough to doubling the price to make me change my mind from putting in $90 now to putting in $1 and worry about it later. My exposure to Conan has just been the films, as I've not read any Howard, and I've got a ton of other games of all kinds to play, so I don't have that "fan urge" on this one.
I not sure that this is a viable option - your $1 donation might end up as just that - a donation!
all the political correctness out there . Already in the campaign we've had people complain about racism (because of black people in Howard's world), complaints about nudity (women in Howard's world being allergic to clothing except chainmail bikinis) now we have PETA people complaining about the camel punch . I wish there was (and there probably is) a way to ignore certain posters in the kickstarter comments section. Good work DakkaDakka Admins for having that function here I don't think you guys get enough praise for that. Even though I'm probably the most ignored .
Hopefully they get the revised shipping costs today, as that seemed to kill any momentum we had yesterday.
Theophony wrote: Hopefully they get the revised shipping costs today, as that seemed to kill any momentum we had yesterday.
Yes, we only did about $108k yesterday.
Terribad...
Which was down from the previous day considerably, and the boards are full of people complaining and dropping there pledges because of the shipping.
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#79
Adventures in an age undreamed of!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
CONAN Adventures In An Age Undreamed Of. This is CONAN roleplaying as Robert E. Howard wrote it: savage pulp adventure battling ancient horrors in the Hyborian Age!
Monolith is pleased to announce our partnership with Modiphius Entertainment (Mutant Chronicles, DUST Adventures, ACHTUNG! Cthulhu) for their new Conan role-playing game! They share our vision of Robert E. Howard’s work: staying true to the form and spirit of his original texts and sparing no expense whilst doing so!
With an amazing line-up of writers: Timothy Brown (designer of the Dark Sun setting for Dungeons & Dragons), award-winning Robert E.Howard scholar and essayist Jeffrey Shanks (Conan Meets the Academy, REH: Two-Gun Raconteur, Critical Insights: Pulp Fiction, The Dark Man: The Journal of REH Studies, Zombies from the Pulps!), Jason Durall (Basic Roleplaying, Serenity, The Laundry), Chris Lites (Paizo, Savage Worlds, Omni, Slate) and artists: Sanjulian (Conan Ace Paperbacks, Vampirella, Eerie, Creepy), Carl Critchlow (Batman/Judge Dredd, Anderson: Psi Division), Mark Schultz (The Coming of Conan, Xenozoic Tales, Prince Valiant), Tim Truman (Dark Horse Conan, Grimjack, Jonah Hex), Phroilan Gardner (Age of Conan, World of Warcraft), Alex Horley (Blizzard, Heavy Metal, Magic: The Gathering) and many more, you can be sure that this is going to be one hell of an adventure!
But what does this mean for you guys? Well, they are planning some very cool select cross compatible supplements including new scenarios for the boardgame (yes, new scenarios for us, based on their campaign and scenarios), models as well as floorplan tiles that you will be able to use in your games of Conan!
Modiphius is already working on the roleplaying corebook for Robert E. Howard’s CONAN Adventures In An Age Undreamed Of to be released this Fall. A Kickstarter is planned for the summer to fund a larger range of roleplaying supplements, campaigns, and accessories to follow the core book.
For more info on this great new project, head over to http://www.modiphius.com/conan and discover just what treasures and horrors await you!
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Fred Henry wrote:At all US people.
We clearly made a mistake yesterday. We will fix it, as we did for europe. We clearly overestimated the shipping price. IT WILL BE LOWER THAN WHAT WE HAVE ANNOUNCED. so please don't spread false information.
So we shall see what the updated estimates are.
Also they posted some more mini's painted up:
Spoiler:
And a sculpt of the Vanir Warrior from the Nordheim expansion:
Conan’s world is far removed from the genre of high fantasy, no orcs, elves or hobbits. Therefore, when the word “Dragon” pops up, it may raise a few eyebrows. But they do exist in Howards world, just not as we know them!
The Dragon is the biggest model we will be making for the game and no doubt the most deadly to Conan and his allies. A primordial killing machine, this beast will present a herculean challenge for our heroes!
WORK IN PROGRESS by Viktor Dragosani
WORK IN PROGRESS by Viktor Dragosani
Illustration by Per Ø. Haagensen
Illustration by Per Ø. Haagensen
« Here it comes!" muttered Conan, half lifting his sword. The thicket was violently agitated, and Valeria clutched Conan's arm hard. Ignorant of jungle-lore, she yet knew that no animal she had ever seen could have shaken the tall brush like that. "It must be as big as an elephant," muttered Conan, echoing her thought. "What the devil----" His voice trailed away in stunned silence. Through the thicket was thrust a head of nightmare and lunacy. Grinning jaws bared rows of dripping yellow tusks; above the yawning mouth wrinkled a saurian-likesnout. Huge eyes, like those of a python a thousand times magnified, stared unwinkingly at the petrified humans clinging to the rock above it. Blood smeared the scaly, flabby lips and dripped from the huge mouth. The head, bigger than that of a crocodile, was further extended on a long scaled neck on which stood up rows of serrated spikes, and after it, crushing down the briars and saplings, waddled the body of a titan, a gigantic, barrel-bellied torso on absurdly short legs. The whitish belly almost raked the ground, while the serrated back-bone rose higher than Conan could have reached on tiptoe. A long spiked tail, like that of a gargantuan scorpion, trailed out behind. »
« That thing must be a dragon, such as the black people speak of in their legends. If so, it won't leave here until we're both dead. »
ced1106 wrote: By setting their pledges at $90 and $135, instead of CMON's $100 and $150, they've dorked themselves out of $10 and $15 they could have hidden into the price and applied to discounted, if not "free", shipping.
Somewhat related, studies have shown that, psychologically, customers will pay more money for "free" shipping than separate shipping.
I work in marketing for a pretty large group of retail brands. It's amazing how a lot of the big online retailers like Amazon have skewed peoples' perceptions of ordering things for delivery. When I was a kid, everything was "plus shipping and handling". When you look at a lot of the complaints on my brands' social media, it's how "unreasonable" the shipping is, and how our pricing is "deceptive" even though it says "plus shipping and handling" clearly on all the ads. It cost me an arm and a leg to ship something as light as a DVD-R home via DHL when I was deployed. People seem to think that shipping something overnight halfway across the US that weighs several pounds should be free, lol. But when we test "free shipping" options that are more expensive, they perform fairly well. Then we get the small handful people who find it and call it out, thinking they're really clever. "OH I caught you!" Yeah. That's it.
« Here it comes!" muttered Conan, half lifting his sword. The thicket was violently agitated, and Valeria clutched Conan's arm hard. Ignorant of jungle-lore, she yet knew that no animal she had ever seen could have shaken the tall brush like that. "It must be as big as an elephant," muttered Conan, echoing her thought. "What the devil----" His voice trailed away in stunned silence. Through the thicket was thrust a head of nightmare and lunacy. Grinning jaws bared rows of dripping yellow tusks; above the yawning mouth wrinkled a saurian-likesnout. Huge eyes, like those of a python a thousand times magnified, stared unwinkingly at the petrified humans clinging to the rock above it. Blood smeared the scaly, flabby lips and dripped from the huge mouth. The head, bigger than that of a crocodile, was further extended on a long scaled neck on which stood up rows of serrated spikes, and after it, crushing down the briars and saplings, waddled the body of a titan, a gigantic, barrel-bellied torso on absurdly short legs. The whitish belly almost raked the ground, while the serrated back-bone rose higher than Conan could have reached on tiptoe. A long spiked tail, like that of a gargantuan scorpion, trailed out behind. »
« That thing must be a dragon, such as the black people speak of in their legends. If so, it won't leave here until we're both dead. »
Robert E. Howard - Red Nails
I always imagined that as an Ankylosaur myself, which I felt is more fitting in Howard's fantasy world than a more generic fantasy dragon.
I really appreciate two things about the painted minis.
First, they make the sculpts look better than I had thought. Of course, whether those are resin or plastic might be an assume.
Second, the painting is not master level. We all know that high quality painting can make most anything look better and can be deceiving with minis. The painting on these is fairly simple and still makes the minis look better. Good for them.
ced1106 wrote: By setting their pledges at $90 and $135, instead of CMON's $100 and $150, they've dorked themselves out of $10 and $15 they could have hidden into the price and applied to discounted, if not "free", shipping.
Somewhat related, studies have shown that, psychologically, customers will pay more money for "free" shipping than separate shipping.
"Free" shipping controls Customer risk, and a small premium is acceptable. The smarter the company does shipping, the more money they make.
Charging actual shipping afterward only works if the company does a good job at minimizing the cost of that shipping. In this case, Monolith has no skin in the game to minimize that cost, so they're trying to get backers to swallow on vastly overpriced shipping ($45 US domestic, from a US-based distribution center).
As multiple backers have noted, $45 is grossly excessive. They can bulk ship for less than half what Monolith is quoting.
For the love of God people. The $45 was an ESTIMATE made over the weekend by going onto the FEDEX website and entering in 8Kg package, size and tracking. They have not gotten a finalized price but said it would not be more than that as a worst case scenario. It will be less than that, probably closer to $30 for all in, but when they checked they couldn't ask about bulk shipping. They are probably working on that too, but can we just let this die until they get those numbers. You can't even get good info out of the comment section anymore because every other post is complaining about shipping. They get it. I'm sure a more official statement will be coming when the package weight and size are finalized as they stated in shipping update #2. They said they purposely overestimated the cost to make sure no surprises hit later and they get a bunch of complaints.
As for my plan to save on shipping. I'm not going all in. Just the exclusives and the King pledge. Most of the other stuff looks like I'll be able to get cheaper later at retail, at least the expansions where we only save $5 off the retail price on $55. They haven't said that there was any extras in the expansions and the boxes look big.
Alex C wrote: Theophony - I know, big comprehension fail with this situation.
It isn't a reading comprehension failure so much as concern about a very possible situation. And for all we know, Monolith floated out the higher shipping costs to see if they would get pushback.
In any case, there's a lot about this project that has been a little squirrely, and I think folks justified in being a bit jittery. If nothing else, it should have been obvious to Monolith that putting a shipping 'estimate' of $45 domestic US was a bad idea.
Believe they were testing the waters for massive shipping charges if you want. I'll just believe them when they say they're trying to be honest with people.
I believe they were trying to be honest and give worst case scenario's, but when they are more than double what they are estimating today, people are going to question it. They should have done the extra day of research before making an announcement on shipping and avoided the whole problem.
Theophony wrote: For the love of God people. The $45 was an ESTIMATE made over the weekend by going onto the FEDEX website and entering in 8Kg package, size and tracking. They have not gotten a finalized price but said it would not be more than that as a worst case scenario. It will be less than that, probably closer to $30 for all in, but when they checked they couldn't ask about bulk shipping. They are probably working on that too, but can we just let this die until they get those numbers. You can't even get good info out of the comment section anymore because every other post is complaining about shipping. They get it.
I'm sure a more official statement will be coming when the package weight and size are finalized as they stated in shipping update #2. They said they purposely overestimated the cost to make sure no surprises hit later and they get a bunch of complaints.
Monolith fethed up, plain and simple. Bringing the shipping back down to something more reasonable is the right thing to do.
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Karazax wrote: I believe they were trying to be honest and give worst case scenario's, but when they are more than double what they are estimating today, people are going to question it. They should have done the extra day of research before making an announcement on shipping and avoided the whole problem.
Exactly. They spent days and days on the artwork, the sculpting, etc. But nobody gave the slightest thought to what the actual shipping charges would be until now?
Yep, it's not their first Feth up, but like the previous one the got it corrected quickly. How many other KS are out there that botch something along the way and don't get it resolved quickly? I don't see any greed in them saying it could be up to $45 for shipping, especially if the people who have been complaining read the rest of the updates where they said that only actual shipping would be charged. They are not trying to make money off of shipping plain and simple. I think too many people have been burnt too many times by other KS projects, ebay and everywhere else on overboard shipping costs.
I want my goodies at a good price, and with the stretch goals being so plentiful here we are getting just that. Tons of figs for the buck. I think some of it might be cheaper at retail when it comes out, but I want to support this game as much as possible. My budget is really tight for gaming, but I'm going to spend it here because I like the look of the game and the contents. I think (personal belief here, I have no inside info other than what's been posted on the KS page) that most everything is already done. We've seen masters of most of the models, the bits from the box sets have been shown, tons of artwork is done and they say they are still on track for October . I think this has been well planned except for a couple of goofs, but really nothing that has been a "look out sir!" For me.
Also not sure if I posted the update about the Conan RPG they sent out. I need to finish some class work that's due in a couple hours though, so if interested check one of their last few updates.
When I pledge, I like to have some good idea that they company will deliver. There are a lot of pieces, and logistics is the one that catches a lot of companies by surprise.
JohnHwangDD wrote: When I pledge, I like to have some good idea that they company will deliver. There are a lot of pieces, and logistics is the one that catches a lot of companies by surprise.
Totally agree, but then look at companies like CB. When they decided to produce more operation: icestorm they had to wait for more D20s. For a start up company these guys seem to have it all together. Plus they are working with Ludofact which know a thing or two about games.
Forgotten King was funny on dice, too - they had to have new die molds cut, which delayed the KS by a little bit. Oh, well.
Monolith is very strong on the creative side of the house, and they have good partners for the distribution.
The questions areas are in operations and management, along with communications, which the KS something of a window to see how well they perform when they have time to plan. That is why it's good to test them, and see how well and quickly they react, especially when things don't go as planned (like the shipping thing).
JohnHwangDD wrote: The questions areas are in operations and management, along with communications, which the KS something of a window to see how well they perform when they have time to plan. That is why it's good to test them, and see how well and quickly they react, especially when things don't go as planned (like the shipping thing).
Yep. Although the members of the company have boardgame experience, it's still their first KS, with a new company.
I'd believe Wave 1 (base game, only) in production and shipping by October 31. With the money pledged so far, there is basically no risk that the main game doesn't get made, so they can pull the trigger on that right now.
But all of the expansions and stretch goals, too? Lot of expansions, stuff that is still being sculpted (e.g. Bone Golem), alt sculpts, etc. That won't happen for a bit. The Bone Golem has to finish sculpting, get through separation, have tool cut, master, approve, finalize tooling, produce, pick, pack, and ship. Lot of steps there across a lot of models.
Lol, well I guess it wouldn't be a FAQ if the questions weren't frequently asked, regardless of whether or not the answers were readily available lol.
I don't blame you for asking. I got so tired of reading the comment section trying to find any info is like pulling teeth with a noodle. Most posts are complaining about shipping, wanting more naked women, biscuits, rides on a wagon, or the annoying guy posting a link to board game geeks every ten minutes and acting like they listen to what the results of the polls are . He just claimed that the frost Giant expansion happened because it was voted as the number one desired expansion on their site.
Just got my student loan check now the hard part comes, do I go double king, or king plus barbarian? Either way I'll get all the KS exclusive items as well.
Just got my student loan check now the hard part comes, do I go double king, or king plus barbarian? Either way I'll get all the KS exclusive items as well.
While I don't think the initial shipping announcement was well thought out, I don't think it was done with any ill-intent. I think the Monolith dudes seem to be generally nice, good dudes. I think in their desire to be transparent and honest (which is an AWESOME thing) they miscalculated how such a high shipping cost would be received.
I expect final shipping in the US to be around $18 for a pledge with none of the $50 expansions included, which is perfectly acceptable.
Just got my student loan check now the hard part comes, do I go double king, or king plus barbarian? Either way I'll get all the KS exclusive items as well.
Indeed...
Looks like we'll get the next SG by morning. Wouldn't be surprised if $2.5m is the last SG.
After seeing the shipping quote, it's close enough to doubling the price to make me change my mind from putting in $90 now to putting in $1 and worry about it later. My exposure to Conan has just been the films, as I've not read any Howard, and I've got a ton of other games of all kinds to play, so I don't have that "fan urge" on this one.
I not sure that this is a viable option - your $1 donation might end up as just that - a donation!
It's a buck!
Honestly, I'm not that worried. As I said, I'm not one who's super-excited about this one (no disrespect to those who are, of course) - so I can take it or leave it, especially with a potential shipping cost of $80.
$ 2.5M is a fine stopping point, and I hope it's not yet another Conan, as we already have enough of those:
4 Conans in Barbarian
+1 King Conan
+2 Guest Conans
= 7 Conans so far
I might get it for Conans, monsters, furniture and the Picts, not a fan of everything else, really.
BUT
Anouncing a MIKH sculpt really makes me want to get it LESS than an empty stretch goal (heck, even a stretch goal that is a personalised insult) would.
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So they're now up to 17 separate sculpts that are Kickstarter Exclusive? Aren't they just hampering the future of the game? I mean, I'm a potential customer who would totally buy these minis if they end up of decent quality. I'm just not willing to buy them unseen.
Trodax wrote: So they're now up to 17 separate sculpts that are Kickstarter Exclusive? Aren't they just hampering the future of the game? I mean, I'm a potential customer who would totally buy these minis if they end up of decent quality. I'm just not willing to buy them unseen.
Trodax wrote: So they're now up to 17 separate sculpts that are Kickstarter Exclusive? Aren't they just hampering the future of the game? I mean, I'm a potential customer who would totally buy these minis if they end up of decent quality. I'm just not willing to buy them unseen.
but they're not selling minis, they're selling a game so I really don't think it matters to them
Yeah, sorry, I should have said that I could potentially have bought their game to harvest it for the minis, if nothing else. What I mean is, they could probably have used a bunch of these exclusive sculpts to set up some future expansions. For example, a Pirate expansion containing a couple new scenarios together with Conan the Wanderer + Savage Belit + N'Gora. Or a Mercenary expansion with Mercenary Conan + Valeria. Or a King Conan expansion with King Conan + Pallantides + the Black Dragons. Or a Monster expansion with Thog + the Man-Ape + the Sabre-Toothed Tiger + the Demon of the Earth. It just feels like a waste of nice sculpts. Or rather, it feels to me like they're trading away future sales for a massively successful Kickstarter.
I would personally have felt a lot better about this campaign if it was smaller and put forth with more of an attitude of "it's OK if you don't support the Kickstarter, we'll love to sell you this stuff at retail as we're pretty sure it'll be great and you'll love it when you see it" rather than "buy it today and tell your friends, we assure you it's going to be great!!!". But maybe I'm just getting old, grumpy, and Kickstarter-weary.
cincydooley wrote: Oh, MIKH. I'm sure he's a swell guy. He's a lovely sculptor. He just seems to be a poor time manager.
Yeah, not very likely seeing how he has screwed me over on a deposit on a commission from 2013, and that he doesn't reply to my attempts to contact him.
Anyway; an october delievery on a project of this magnitude is not very likely to happen; just compare it to Kingdom Death. But if they do make it, I will honestly be very impressed by them.
Yes, I don't really see the benefit in them re-emphasizing that they think they can hit an October deadline. Even if they get all their stuff done by then, there is always a high chance of delays at the manufacturer, or with shipping, or customs that can add significant delays outside of their control. I'm pledging with the expectation that it could be over a year late and I wouldn't be surprised.
I've asked for more info about the bases, but I'm thinking the counterbases could be used as color-coded lipped bases for other games, and hopefully can be used as "base sleeves" with other miniatures...
JohnHwangDD wrote: $ 2.5M is a fine stopping point, and I hope it's not yet another Conan, as we already have enough of those:
4 Conans in Barbarian
+1 King Conan
+2 Guest Conans
= 7 Conans so far
How about Zenobia?
Or, we could get an 5th Conan for Barbarian, making 8 total... Oh, well.
skarsol wrote: Have they given any comment at all on buying addons in the PM if you aren't getting the full game ($1 pledge)?
Not that I've seen...
Your best bet might be to contact them directly through the Kickstarter messaging system?
Tried that, no response. Was just curious if anyone else had.
While I appreciate that they're busy now, that's a shame!
I can't see them NOT allowing a $1 pledge to up it via a PM with add-ons, but, I can also see them not allowing it, or not allowing anyone post-campaign to get KING level or who knows what!
I'm usually a completionist so at first I was like who expansions... then I was like, but I don't see anything dramatic about the expansions or a huge savings. They didn't take a CMoN or Mantic route to expand the expansions in the KS, which is truthfully fine. That just means they aren't a 'necessary need to get' because of exclusives and lets me get other things. If I like the game enough I'll pick up the expansions at warehouse pricing later.
Theophony wrote: I've never tried it before but others have said you can pledge, then if the funds aren't there they will allow you later to change payment types.
Or you know, find a friend to pledge with.
When the KS closes it attempts to take funds from whatever method of payment you chose. If they aren't available, you get a notification. You usually have up to a couple weeks to correct it. You can then change your payment type to a different card and providing it clears, you are still good. If however you don't do it within the time frame, then your pledge essentially becomes canceled. Sometimes even then, providing you get in touch arrangements can be made but those are less reliable. Essentially you have an extra 2 weeks of time to get funds.
I am sure that Monolith will allow backers to upgrade to King or add things. The only question is whether they will allow a $1 pledge to count as a backer.
Barring a specific statement to the contrary, I would assume that Monolith will not accept $1 pledges as PM-eligible. With $2M and the vast bulk of backers at King with adders, they don't need $1 pledges to increase the backer count and marginal workload. Most importantly, there is no reward level associated with anything under $90, so it looks like, and is, a donation with nothing expected.
If I were Monolith, I'm sure they would allow a $90 Barbarian backer to trade that huge, heavy box for $90 worth of adds.
If you're just for gameplay value, just pay $90 for Barbarian. 180+ minis (including scenery) for $90(+$20 S&H) is a tremendous deal, better than CMoN's famous 100 minis for $100.
If you're a completist, pay $135 for King to get the King exclusives, along with whatever expansions you absolutely must have.
But, if you're not getting Barbarian or King for all of the SGs, you probably should wait for retail. All of the retail packs are non-exclusive, and will almost certainly be discounted cheaper than what you will pay via KS. No tying up the money for those things, wondering when Monolith will deliver, whether the game will be any good.
Finally, I'm pretty sure Monolith will deliver by October. October, 2016. ____
All they need to do is make a girl in a chainmail bikini. She can be blonde or brunette, though white-haired with dark skin would be best. Easy. Done. I can paint her whatever I like. But sculpting chainmail? No, not so easy.
King is about exclusives, and they just threw in King Conan.
____
And now it's a Mesmero type with the hokey pointy shoes. Still no queen, still no chainmail bikini.
I'm hopeful for the figures translating well to PVC. You can see the deep cuts in the muscles/folds of cloth - they seem designed in anticipation of shrinkage.
They made 2,848,xxx . I think if this keeps up we will break that. The only thing I see is with this ending at noon tomorrow (16hours) it will be close.
Theophony wrote: They made 2,848,xxx . I think if this keeps up we will break that. The only thing I see is with this ending at noon tomorrow (16hours) it will be close.
I think it ends up over $3MM. Trending fairly well right now.
JohnHwangDD wrote: All they need to do is make a girl in a chainmail bikini. She can be blonde or brunette, though white-haired with dark skin would be best. Easy. Done. I can paint her whatever I like. But sculpting chainmail? No, not so easy.
King is about exclusives, and they just threw in King Conan.
____
And now it's a Mesmero type with the hokey pointy shoes. Still no queen, still no chainmail bikini.
Yeah pretty much. Chainmail onepiece, half-plate bikini, they could at least try. Oh wells its better than nothing. Maybe when the PM is out I'll decide, based on if they've sorted that goofy pose and if her boobs are just over the top enough to be awesome, but not so much to be embarrassing. Then I'd buy two.
Almost there!
$2,806,xxx with 9 hours left. We did just shy of $400K yesterday. The next and "Last" stretch goal is a collectors box at 3 Million. Exclusive artwork on it and thermoformed inserts to hold all the models. People were begging for this in the comments section, so seems like a nice answer for them. They don't get into to many specifics of what pledge level gets the box or how many total figures fit inside of it either. Not sure if all in would fit or even if the expansion figures would fit.
Zombicide 3 I believe holds the all time record for board game sales on kickstarter so another 40-50K will make Conan "Legendary" they say
Well, anything that keeps me from buying forty bucks of Battlefoam or storage cases (or ten bucks of bead bins!)...
"This special, high quality collectors box will feature the exclusive art of Adrian smith and will contain enough thermoformed slots for every. single. model. that you have unlocked in this glorious campaign. All these separated into different small boxes that fit neatly inside the main chest."
As someone with a...mounting collection of boardgames, proper themed storage boxes for "extras" are a godsend. You end up with all of the crud you need for the variant that you're currently playing in one box, and everything remaining in the other. And everything's bendy plastic, so can just be tossed in any old how.
As an example, in a given game of Arcadia Quest, you're playing with a maximum of 12 heroes among 4 players. The Kickstarter came with around 40. In any given Conan campaign I think you'll need 4-6 heroes, about 30 enemy models and a few board tiles - it would be great to dump the remaining 150 minis in a box you're not lugging everywhere!
I have no idea what I'm going to do with Shadows of Brimstone - last I heard, nothing apart from the base boxes was getting retail packaging...
2,954K and rising. But who's counting five hours left to the end.....oh and wolves
Starting to think this could reach reaper bones II at 3,1million
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Only thing I can think of is that someone was complaining about another person using sexually derogative language and commented that they filed a complaint with KS, to which I replied that KS staff usually don't do anything about it.
I guess questioning "the man" is frowned upon?
Otherwise I've been a bit sarcastic at times, but nothing touching the levels of personal insults, swearing, spamming, sexually explicit commentary and project-bashing that others have engaged in, and are still free to post comments.
The vast majority of my posts are actually helping people.
Alex C wrote: Only thing I can think of is that someone was complaining about another person using sexually derogative language and commented that they filed a complaint with KS, to which I replied that KS staff usually don't do anything about it.
I guess questioning "the man" is frowned upon?
Otherwise I've been a bit sarcastic at times, but nothing touching the levels of personal insults, swearing, spamming, sexually explicit commentary and project-bashing that others have engaged in, and are still free to post comments.
The vast majority of my posts are actually helping people.
Pretty boss warlock - that's from the Age of Conan MMO PVP armor set. I played the MMO, and their epic armors had some really good designs, particularly the Acheron stuff. Much better than WOW's giant shoulder pads. I would have loved to see a Herald of Xotli or Tempest of Set mini in their endgame sets.
It's been fun.
My last calculation was 113 free minis (that's counting the furniture) I could be off by a bit.
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Welcome to the Legend!
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
WARNING: I highly recommend you grab yourselves a keg of beer, have a beautiful lady sit on your lap and blast some epic music as you read this, it will feel a lot better
$3,327,467 Dollars
16036 Backers
35055 Comments
95 updates
55 Stretch goals
22 Add-ons Over
200 models
Officially the most successful board game on Kickstarter…
My friends:
Illustration by Georges Cl4renko
Illustration by Georges Cl4renko
"Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."
Conan - Robert E. Howard - Queen of the Black Coast
When we set out to make Conan, it was to give life to a saga that we all loved, to make a game that would remind us of just what it meant to be a gamer and a lover of high adventure.
But we weren’t alone, we were many and with your help, we have done so, so much more. This is not just a game anymore. It’s a symbol, a record breaker and a testament to just what this community is capable of.
Thank you for all your support, for all the trust you have placed in us. We will not disappoint.
Our tale does not stop here though, I will remain, bringing you regular updates on the project as it advances through the pledge manager, production and shipping phases. We still have plenty of models to finalize too so expect plenty of eye candy in the coming weeks!
You can also keep up with us on: Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/monolithedition Twitter: @Monolithedition Or my personal shenanigans on : @WhelpSlayer
As for what lies ahead for Monolith, well, you guys have blown our expectations out of the water. All bets are now off as they say but one thing is sure, you have given us the means, the encouragement and the determination to take this ball and run with it. This isn’t the last of you’ve heard of us…
It has been both an honor and a privilege to guide you all through this adventure. Peace out and until next time, may your blades be sharp, your treasure plentiful, may Crom hear your prayers and if he doesn’t, then to Hell with him!
I’ll be back…
Jamie & Monolith.
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ced1106 wrote: Well, anything that keeps me from buying forty bucks of Battlefoam or storage cases (or ten bucks of bead bins!)...
"This special, high quality collectors box will feature the exclusive art of Adrian smith and will contain enough thermoformed slots for every. single. model. that you have unlocked in this glorious campaign. All these separated into different small boxes that fit neatly inside the main chest."
Yeah, this is easily the best bonus of the KS. By far.
Having all the stuff organized in one box is the best.
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Bossk_Hogg wrote: Pretty boss warlock - that's from the Age of Conan MMO PVP armor set. I played the MMO, and their epic armors had some really good designs, particularly the Acheron stuff. Much better than WOW's giant shoulder pads.
WOW doesn't need giant shoulder pads.
Conan could have used a couple Night Elves instead of the wizard and his girlfriend.
Summary of miniatures included with base, king and stretch goals: From the base game, $90 pledge + shipping: (74 miniatures) 4 x Heroes (4 sculpts)
6 x Allies (2 sculpts)
5 x Monsters (5 sculpts)
5 x Hyenas
4 x Leaders (4 sculpts)
5 x Archers
15 x Pict Hunters
15 x Pirates
15 x Guards
From the King pledge, + $45 in addition to base game: Kickstarter exclusive minis and associated gameplay (30 miniatures) 1 x Thog (monster)
3 x Heroes (3 sculpts)
1 x Ally
15 x skeletons
10 x mummies
From the stretch goals: (114 miniatures including furniture/terrain pieces) 5 x Pict archers
5 x Skeleton alt sculpt
1 x New hero, Pallantides (Exclusive)
5 x pirate alt scupt
5 x Guards alt sculpt
1 x Man ape (Exclusive)
5 x Mummies alt sculpt
1 x New leader, Natohk (Exclusive)
5 x Pict alt sculpt
10 x Chests and cases (2 sculpts)
5 x Skeleton alt sculpt
1 x New hero, Olgerd Vladislav
13 x Table, stools and benches (3 (probably?) sculpts)
5 x Mummies alt sculpt
1 x New hero, Conan the Mercenary (Exclusive)
1 x Hyperborean Primitive
5 x Tentacles
1 x Monster spider
1 x New leader, Constantius
1 x New hero, Savage Belit (Exclusive)
1 x New monster, swamp demon
1 x Bookcase
2 x Pile o' skulls
1 x New leader, Akivasha
1 x Sarcophagus for Akivasha
1 x New hero (or leader!), Kerim Shah (Exclusive)
1 x Conan the warlord (Exclusive)
2 x New heroes: Balthus and Slasher the dog
1 x New monster scorpion
5 x Torch stands
1 x New hero (or leader!), Amboola
5 x Tentacles, alt sculpt
1 x Monster, the giant bone golem
1 x Conan the Wanderer (Exclusive)
1 x New hero, Pelias
1 x New monster, Forest Demon
1 x Free hero, Taurus
1 x New monster, Thaug (goes with the tentacles)
2 x Conan the King and his pet lion (Exclusive)
1 x New hero Kothian archer
1 x New punching bag camel
1 x New hero, Ageera the witch finder
1 x New hero, Conan the general (Exclusive)
1 x New hero, Khemsa Acolyte of the Black Seers
1 x New bad gal Gitara
1 x New bad guy Warlock
Oops, forgots to add another King Pledge. Blerg, hope I can add it at the same cost during the PM. Shadows of Brimsstone bumped up the cost by like $20 to add during their PM, and that was a mini heavy campaign like this one. sad ork face
ArtIsGreat wrote: Oops, forgots to add another King Pledge. Blerg, hope I can add it at the same cost during the PM. Shadows of Brimsstone bumped up the cost by like $20 to add during their PM, and that was a mini heavy campaign like this one. sad ork face
I'm sure you will be able to.
Monolith seem better prepared to handle their success than FFP was.
#98
Kicking back off !
Posted by Monolith Board Games LLC
Hello folks, we’re starting to get the old proverbial engine fired up again. People are back from well deserved breaks and I’m just about over a case of the dreaded man flu that’s struck me down these past few days!
So, in typical Conan style, here’s some goodies for you all:
First up, we have the mystical Yogah of Yag:
sculpted by Arnaud Boudoiron ( Thirdman Studio )
Followed by a chap who definitely has some anger management issues, a Aesir warrior from the Nordheim expansion.
We are getting stuck into the messages now, some of you will have had replies by now, other, it is on its way
Now if you’ll excuse me I’m off to eat another pack of Strepsils.
The Aesir is pretty weak, IMO. Stephane Simone can do much better than that (or the witchhunters). Compared to Blood Rage Vikings it's not even close, Remy really knocked those out of the park.
I couldn't find the content list for the Nordheim expansion, can someone fill me in? For 50$ and the current exchange I rate it'd have to be really packed with cool stuff to be attractive. The Foo Dog looks so much better.
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so we're breaking up a goal into three goals as someone suggested to do with the equipment booster. Instead of an add on with a kraken head and 10 tentacles we give you 5, 5 and a kraken head.
if you know what I mean.
, but now you add Paolo to the mix and you have women that make supermodels look like bag ladies.
. Paolo Parente is the artist, not the sculptor on these. The 2nd sculpt will be shown in the next day or so.
plus all the 
as I will get that even though I think the expansions are not that great of a bang for the buck.
