of course all marines are compatible
you can mix the RT plastics with Deathwach parts if you want

and the same way new true scale marines will be compatible with the existing range

the 100% compatibility we had a while back were adding a Space Wolves front plate to a Dark Angels back plate was no problem is gone
the actual Space Wolves frame already has parts that are not compatible with other boxes.

If they make those new Marines in a "True Scale" Fasion, I will be pleasantly surprised!

I always wanted a small (maybe 500-750 pt) marine force, and if the Grey Knights example holds, it would be easie/cheaper.

And won`t it be good, if marines actualy tower a bit more noticably while standing next to Cadians/ orcs? Kind of like in DoW2



(I do have Dark Angels already, but them being my first 40k army doomed the paintjob. And buying other (same-scale) marines, while still sitting on a pile, that are left from the past somehow is more difficult for me)

 kodos wrote:
of course all marines are compatible
you can mix the RT plastics with Deathwach parts if you want

and the same way new true scale marines will be compatible with the existing range

the 100% compatibility we had a while back were adding a Space Wolves front plate to a Dark Angels back plate was no problem is gone
the actual Space Wolves frame already has parts that are not compatible with other boxes.

If new marines are true scale then compatibilty drops. Head taller affects sizes. Old marines with gorilla hands

Why are "true-scale" marines a thing? Why can't we consider the Marines as current to be true scale and start releasing other models that are smaller to fit that scale.

As this rate, Rhinos should be the size of Land Raiders and Land Raiders need to be as big as Banblades.
Eventually we'll have to reevaluate if we can even call them "mini"atures. Inaction figures is probably a better term.

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give it time, eventually the average infantry model will be about a foot tall, and games will be played in warehouses, stadiums, football fields, etc...baneblades built on gokart chassis...titans will just be blokes stomping around in robot-suits

Has Hastings at any point elaborated on his description of the new marines? Because if he thinks the pic is not that, then it would imply he would have to have a more detailed description of them in order to make that call.

 ZoBo wrote:
give it time, eventually the average infantry model will be about a foot tall, and games will be played in warehouses, stadiums, football fields, etc...baneblades built on gokart chassis...titans will just be blokes stomping around in robot-suits

But armies will still only be deployed 24" apart.

 Galef wrote:
Why are "true-scale" marines a thing? Why can't we consider the Marines as current to be true scale and start releasing other models that are smaller to fit that scale.

As this rate, Rhinos should be the size of Land Raiders and Land Raiders need to be as big as Banblades.
Eventually we'll have to reevaluate if we can even call them "mini"atures. Inaction figures is probably a better term.

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But the scale isn't changing?

The bigger marines are actually bigger in universe. Ogryns aren't bigger scale humans... they're bigger

Vorian wrote:

But the scale isn't changing?

The bigger marines are actually bigger in universe. Ogryns aren't bigger scale humans... they're bigger

Well, that's what we don't really know at this point. Some rumours say that it is just new armour for normal marines, others that there will be some sort of completely new type of marine.

Do we not just have the rumour of Hastings saying they'll be bigger marines in a new armour type and sad panda saying mk X sounds like a good name (and then a lot of nonsense from the usual BS sources)

Vorian wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Why are "true-scale" marines a thing? Why can't we consider the Marines as current to be true scale and start releasing other models that are smaller to fit that scale.

As this rate, Rhinos should be the size of Land Raiders and Land Raiders need to be as big as Banblades.
Eventually we'll have to reevaluate if we can even call them "mini"atures. Inaction figures is probably a better term.

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But the scale isn't changing?

The bigger marines are actually bigger in universe. Ogryns aren't bigger scale humans... they're bigger

Actually Ogryns are bigger scale humans, referred to as abhumans as a result of a low gravity world, to a lesser degree this was Catachans back ground as well as explanation for being so jacked. I have been saying for years that it is a much easier fix to simply rescale humans at 28mm truescale. Heck, they even just nuked Cadia None of the other races are actually human or out of scale, eldar are supposed top be taller then humans and everything else is distinctly alien.

Vorian wrote:
Do we not just have the rumour of Hastings saying they'll be bigger marines in a new armour type and sad panda saying mk X sounds like a good name (and then a lot of nonsense from the usual BS sources)

Yes, but what we don't know whether the new marines are a new separate thing (and thus there would be a fluff justification for them being bigger. Hastings seems to imply that this would be the case, though it was vague) or whether they're just an update for old marines and there would be no justification for the bigger sizer, just like there weren't in all those other times when the marines were enlarged. We also don't know whether the pic depicts such a new marine (Hastings seem to think it probably doesn't, but a poster here who says they know a GW painter says it is genuine.) Whilst it is certainly possible that the pic is fake, it would be quite a coincidence had someone just happened to create such an absolutely flawless conversion with no identifiable parts at the moment the rumours about new type of marines start to emerge (and, no there is no way someone could have created that as a response to Hastings rumours.)

Ogryns are not bigger scale humans - they are not humans from a 54mm game.

Hastings said they were bigger in the fluff with all the regular Maine chapters continuing. Then people scaremongered stuff about older marines being replaced.

No one reliable has said anything at all about increasing scale as far as I can tell.

Vorian wrote:
Ogryns are not bigger scale humans - they are not humans from a 54mm game.

Hastings said they were bigger in the fluff with all the regular Maine chapters continuing. Then people scaremongered stuff about older marines being replaced.

No one reliable has said anything at all about increasing scale as far as I can tell.

But...It's more fun to freak out for no reason and make ridiculously large assumptions!

Feel like this thread title should be updated. There's no confirmation that the pic is genuine and even, for example, Hastings coming out saying it doesn't match the description they've heard. Rumours shouldn't be "true until proven false"

Vorian wrote:
Ogryns are not bigger scale humans - they are not humans from a 54mm game.

Hastings said they were bigger in the fluff with all the regular Maine chapters continuing. Then people scaremongered stuff about older marines being replaced.

No one reliable has said anything at all about increasing scale as far as I can tell.

Pretty sure Hastings said bigger models as a seperate faction to marines and not to expect support for existing marines.
He gave the comparison "Sigmarines compared to the empire" , he then backtracked saying there would be some support for marines.

As for this model who knows while Hastings said it did not fully match the description he was given he did go on to say that it had been a further year since then and things could have changed.

Is this a Space Marine built with the new Deathwatch add on kit?

 Tamwulf wrote:
Is this a Space Marine built with the new Deathwatch add on kit?

Not as far as anyone can tell.

 Tamwulf wrote:
Is this a Space Marine built with the new Deathwatch add on kit?

No.

SeanDrake wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Ogryns are not bigger scale humans - they are not humans from a 54mm game.

Hastings said they were bigger in the fluff with all the regular Maine chapters continuing. Then people scaremongered stuff about older marines being replaced.

No one reliable has said anything at all about increasing scale as far as I can tell.

Pretty sure Hastings said bigger models as a seperate faction to marines and not to expect support for existing marines.
He gave the comparison "Sigmarines compared to the empire" , he then backtracked saying there would be some support for marines.

As for this model who knows while Hastings said it did not fully match the description he was given he did go on to say that it had been a further year since then and things could have changed.

Nope, he said support for other marines would continue

Vorian wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:

Vorian wrote:
Ogryns are not bigger scale humans - they are not humans from a 54mm game.

Hastings said they were bigger in the fluff with all the regular Maine chapters continuing. Then people scaremongered stuff about older marines being replaced.

No one reliable has said anything at all about increasing scale as far as I can tell.

Pretty sure Hastings said bigger models as a seperate faction to marines and not to expect support for existing marines.
He gave the comparison "Sigmarines compared to the empire" , he then backtracked saying there would be some support for marines.

As for this model who knows while Hastings said it did not fully match the description he was given he did go on to say that it had been a further year since then and things could have changed.

Nope, he said support for other marines would continue

Are you sure? Do you happen to have a link? Because the last remark I remember him making was that the existing chapters would NOT receive ongoing support...

 Azreal13 wrote:
Here's the original Hastings exchange, lifted from the Atia blog comments and reposted in a now locked thread, for reference.

75hastings69 wrote:
I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!

Anon wrote:
New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?

75hastings69 wrote:
Imperial

*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.

See one of my original posts here....

Anon wrote:
I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.

75hastings69 wrote:
New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Anon wrote:
SO Mark 9 power armour?

75hastings69 wrote:
Not only the armour will change

"Not that there won't be some" - so normal marines continue as the factions they are and you have the new, bigger (in universe) marines as something else.

Ah, right. Thanks for that. I definitely remembered that incorrectly.

But support won't be all that big likely.

So will chaos get to come up woth something new to counter Cawls new creations?

One reason I am not looking forward to this at all is there are still current kits that desperately need updating.

All Indomitus terminator kits need an update, Imperial and chaos alike.

Nu-marines will take precedence over all else and we will see tiny chaos terminators fighting Sigmarine sized Nu-marines.

I'm glad it's not a wholesale replacement (yet) but I think it rings the deathnell of the standard marine line.

 SickSix wrote:
So will chaos get to come up woth something new to counter Cawls new creations?

One reason I am not looking forward to this at all is there are still current kits that desperately need updating.

All Indomitus terminator kits need an update, Imperial and chaos alike.

Nu-marines will take precedence over all else and we will see tiny chaos terminators fighting Sigmarine sized Nu-marines.

I'm glad it's not a wholesale replacement (yet) but I think it rings the deathnell of the standard marine line.

I tend to agree. This seems to be consistent with much of GW's release lately. I think they realize that there is, on balance, more profit in unprecedented kits, new factions, etc., than in just updating old sets.

On the other hand, introducing this new faction of Marines++ might be some kind of an attempt to normalize the original Space Marines, both in terms of fluff and the meta.

Although I guess sales will continue to drive the latter, and I guess it would be silly to expect Super Space Marines not to sell stupidly well. :/

It rings of a miniatures line that is pretty much complete. Rather than shoehorning in more and more new stuff that might not be well received (see Centurians) or redoing kits that don't really need redoing (Indomitus) that people probably wouldn't bother upgrading to from the perfectly serviceable one they already have... they'll bring out a completely new line of marines turned to 11

They really aren't going to shelve their massively popular line.

Vorian wrote:
It rings of a miniatures line that is pretty much complete. Rather than shoehorning in more and more new stuff that might not be well received (see Centurians) or redoing kits that don't really need redoing (Indomitus) that people probably wouldn't bother upgrading to from the perfectly serviceable one they already have... they'll bring out a completely new line of marines turned to 11

They really aren't going to shelve their massively popular line.

It smacks of over egging the pudding to me. They've definitely taken standard marines as far as they can. They obviously don't think they can get enough sales from redoing the ancient CSM, Ork, Nid, and Guard product lines and are going to release something that imo really really isn't needed.

We have heard Warbuggies are coming (so presumably other things too), we know Nurgle 40k is getting a major release...

Vorian wrote:
We have heard Warbuggies are coming (so presumably other things too), we know Nurgle 40k is getting a major release...

And I need them really bad! Warbuggies, pleso come soon and cheaper, than your friends, Mek Gunz...

Was there any vague timetable suggested by any good rumormonger regarding nurgle/orks?

Afraid not. Hastings tends to just know what's in the pipeline it seems

Hastings talking about a possible starter with NuMarines. Heh.Imagine that we might just get a starter without SMs like many people wanted for years or even decades...because they're replaced by even more super duper everyone wants to BE us boyz in blue That'd be a pretty bad case of "careful what you wish for". Maybe it'll even have some updated models needed armies desperately needed for years. New Chaos Terminators that are made to look small next to, outgunned and outfought by NuMarines? Buggies that will be punched to death? Everyone could be humiliated by Roboute's new merry band of badasses, so the starter might STILL have loyalist Marines - that are not loyal ENOUGH to Mr. Primarch and need a spanking.

I guess after the Custodes and the huuuge SoS regular Ultramarine models felt inadequate to whoever decided they sorely needed their Primarch back and Cadia should be blown up.

Even if the picture is fake, it doesn't mean Hastings is wrong. All it means is that the picture simply isnt what Hastings was talking about


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 kodos wrote:
of course all marines are compatible
you can mix the RT plastics with Deathwach parts if you want

and the same way new true scale marines will be compatible with the existing range

the 100% compatibility we had a while back were adding a Space Wolves front plate to a Dark Angels back plate was no problem is gone
the actual Space Wolves frame already has parts that are not compatible with other boxes.

DW marines aren't compatible with other marines. The torso backs don't fit with other smaller front pieces, some arms are also longer making it look really bad if you give a tactical marine the Deathwatch shotgun, and certain heads don't fit on DW bodys because of the redesigned mark viii arnour

123ply wrote:
Even if the picture is fake, it doesn't mean Hastings is wrong. All it means is that the picture simply isnt what Hastings was talking about


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 kodos wrote:
of course all marines are compatible
you can mix the RT plastics with Deathwach parts if you want

and the same way new true scale marines will be compatible with the existing range

the 100% compatibility we had a while back were adding a Space Wolves front plate to a Dark Angels back plate was no problem is gone
the actual Space Wolves frame already has parts that are not compatible with other boxes.

DW marines aren't compatible with other marines. The torso backs don't fit with other smaller front pieces, some arms are also longer making it look really bad if you give a tactical marine the Deathwatch shotgun, and certain heads don't fit on DW bodys because of the redesigned mark viii arnour

Deathwatch are fairly compatable with the sternguard kit. I actually had to trim the collar off the toga chest peice to get it to fit with the DW back. Otherwise not much size difference. Made a decent IF DW guy. And the Stern Guard legs work great with DW torsos.

Just a wondering, but...

If we assume it's likely that 8th edition will have something similar to AoS's rule set, even if just in part, are GW moving towards having armies, or at least models, that with minimal work could be used in both?

New, bigger marines sound like they could well be Stormcast size. The new steampunk dwarves look like they've been crafted to be easily turned into Squats, the Chaos and Ork stuff is already pretty interchangeable... A future where 40K players are encouraged / able to buy the latest AoS models and integrate them into their own armies without much fuss could be their thinking?

Tsukuru wrote:

The new steampunk dwarves look like they've been crafted to be easily turned into Squats,

THIS made me check the warhammer community site. That s right, they can easily be squat models. I am not a fan but that is interesting it is something the fans beg from GW for a long time, as the genestealer cult as a matter of fact.

About the original post: DO NOT release real size Space Marines...

hopefully that photo with battery charge and blur has all of a fake

123ply wrote:
Even if the picture is fake, it doesn't mean Hastings is wrong. All it means is that the picture simply isnt what Hastings was talking about

Hastings himself said the picture wasn't what he was talking about

reluxor wrote:

Tsukuru wrote:

The new steampunk dwarves look like they've been crafted to be easily turned into Squats,

THIS made me check the warhammer community site. That s right, they can easily be squat models. I am not a fan but that is interesting it is something the fans beg from GW for a long time, as the genestealer cult as a matter of fact.

About the original post: DO NOT release real size Space Marines...

hopefully that photo with battery charge and blur has all of a fake

genestealer cult, death watch, admech, Primarchs the last year or two has been pretty much a non-stop volly of "We herd you want X.... here's X!"

BrianDavion wrote:
genestealer cult, death watch, admech, Primarchs the last year or two has been pretty much a non-stop volly of "We herd you want X.... here's X!"

Yup. Get ready for Hrud, Squats, and non-Cadian guardsmen.

 ph34r wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
genestealer cult, death watch, admech, Primarchs the last year or two has been pretty much a non-stop volly of "We herd you want X.... here's X!"

Yup. Get ready for Hrud, Squats, and non-Cadian guardsmen.

Sorry, are we meant to read this as a rumour?

 crumby_cataphract wrote:

 ph34r wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
genestealer cult, death watch, admech, Primarchs the last year or two has been pretty much a non-stop volly of "We herd you want X.... here's X!"

Yup. Get ready for Hrud, Squats, and non-Cadian guardsmen.

Sorry, are we meant to read this as a rumour?

Anything Can Happen On Halloween.

Tsukuru wrote:

If we assume it's likely that 8th edition will have something similar to AoS's rule set, even if just in part, are GW moving towards having armies, or at least models, that with minimal work could be used in both?

At the moment, AoS is the better game (which doesn't mean that AoS is good, just that 40k is much worse) and doing it like Warmachine/Hordes would be the best that GW would have done for years.
But I don't think this will happen

like hell if aos is a better game than 40k ... like hell!

 ph34r wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
genestealer cult, death watch, admech, Primarchs the last year or two has been pretty much a non-stop volly of "We herd you want X.... here's X!"

Yup. Get ready for Hrud, Squats, and non-Cadian guardsmen.

Except Sisters because you know...

 aracersss wrote:
like hell if aos is a better game than 40k ... like hell!

It's all subjective. I like the simplicity of AOS' ruleset. I don't think it's the better game, but 40k is a bloated mess and a bit of a pain in the arse to play, and the sheer number of books involved now is ridiculous.

 aracersss wrote:
like hell if aos is a better game than 40k ... like hell!

Give it a try, you'd be surprised. Less bloated rules, tactical flexibility and depth, a lot more balanced faction to faction. Great community as well.

Looks like this one is all done for now then?