The other threads about 8th edition have been shut due to bad posting. Please don't bring that here.

Not my pic and no idea where it is from. Popped up on a private forum I am on. Bit blurry. This may prompt Warhammer Community to release better pictures to get ahead of the leaks.



Looks like the snap fit from the new 40k starter.

Very truescale, which will please some people. I like the design and sculpting of it, though I'll probably remove the chest eagle from mine as I play Carcharadons. Mixing the new special forces marines in will fit with the boarding/zone mortalis theme of my army. Looks like it will paint up nice. Very pleased with it compared to the sigmarines. I'm liking where this is going.

I like it - but I'm not convinced it's legit.

I mean if it is real, fair enough - but it still looks like a conversion - and the other models around it look part of a random spod's collection.

yeah calling conversion

GodDamUser wrote:
yeah calling conversion

Especially as you can see Green Stuff on the boltgun...

I already said this on another thread, but I'll repost here:

I doubt it is a conversion. Looks pretty legit to me.

It is exactly as described in that previous (4chan?) rumour. That person said that they had picture taken in private event, so probably this is the picture.
That same rumour mentioned the Guilliman's blood theory, I hope that part was not true. This model doesn't seem significantly larger (if any) than the new DW and TS marines. The look itself could easily be explained by new gear so I hope that's all there's to it. A new mark or PA and bolter, available to all chapters.

Based on Hastings' description "the new marines are to old marines like the Stormcast are to Empire soldiers" I certainly expected something more extreme looking.I really hope that Hastings exaggerated a bit (or misinterpreted the vague info he had) and these are just normal marines with new gear.



In any case, the model looks cool, and if we are spared from the stupid guillimarine fluff, I'm looking forward including these in my chapter.

If it is a hoax, it's a very good one. We will see. We are two months out from the next edition. We'll see more leaks coming fairly soon.

That guy meets the descriptions we've seen, down to the Pip-boy on the wrist, the Stormcast-thingy on the knee, and the long bolter. I'm thinking it's real.

Why is the banner blacked out like that?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I like it - but I'm not convinced it's legit.

I mean if it is real, fair enough - but it still looks like a conversion - and the other models around it look part of a random spod's collection.

This.

We're seeing a blurry photo of something on a beat up wooden desk with other random minis next to it that literally look like some random person's collection.

There's visible GS and the components look familiar - pipboy on the arm? I'm sure I've seen that on Deathwing Terminator apothecaries.

I see no greenstuff. The greenish blotches are obviously JPG compression artefacts.

Well if you want to wish hard enough, any excuse sounds reasonable.

The boltgun has a hole in the side of the drum magazine. That probably isn't supposed to be there. The lower legs do look like they were molded that way, not converted. The greaves aren't concave like the DW Mk VIII, so it does look like a legit new armor mk.

Stickler for me....

The right arm doesn't seem quite in scale with the legs.

Could of course be the angle of the photo, but still make me think very good conversion.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

There's visible GS and the components look familiar - pipboy on the arm? I'm sure I've seen that on Deathwing Terminator apothecaries.

It's not even remotely similar. I have converted a lot of marines and I cannot recognise a single bit. I would be amazed were this a conversion. It would require large areas perfectly sculpted in GS and the painted grey imply it is plastic.

I'm not sure about the breastplate but the left arm looks a lot like it came out of the Deathwatch kit. And the shoulder pad could have come from a 4e-vintage Marine kit it's so standard/generic, and the top of the backpack looks like the current Devastator kit to me. I'd have expected more if they were actually going to make new Marines.


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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Stickler for me....

The right arm doesn't seem quite in scale with the legs.

Could of course be the angle of the photo, but still make me think very good conversion.

More to the point the right arm isn't quite in scale with the left arm. Deathwatch arm and older-kit arm, I'm thinking.

That looks legit to me.

Why?

The legs. They are clearly molded like that, no separate parts.

And the head, no green stuff, but is significantly bigger than any other head available from gw.

If it weren't a conversion then why would they intentionally blur the picture the way they have to make it less clear? It looks as if it were converted to a much much smaller resolution then enlarged again using something as basic as paint. Even the lines crossing out the banner are blurred in parts.

NoggintheNog wrote:
And the head, no green stuff, but is significantly bigger than any other head available from gw.

The Centurian heads are slightly bigger than normal heads and it definitely looks like one of the Centurian heads.

Well, that's assuming they're an otherwise competent photographer?

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm not sure about the breastplate but the left arm looks a lot like it came out of the Deathwatch kit. And the shoulder pad could have come from a 4e-vintage Marine kit it's so standard/generic, and the top of the backpack looks like the current Devastator kit to me.

Do you people actually do any comparisons before you make these claims? No, it is not DW arm, no it is not a Devastator backpack. Only recognisable part is the shoulder pad, but it makes sense they'd keep that similar, so that all the FW's shoulderpad conversion bits would remain compatible.

The centurion head has large round earpieces and lacks the little bobbles this one has on it.

I think this is legit personally. There are a lot of little details that distinguish it like the cowling on the back pack exhausts, the Guilleman style arm plate on the left arm, Custodes style chest plate but extended lower with vents on the underside.

I could be wrong and this is in fact an excellent conversion but speaking as the guy that created truescale terminator conversions the gait and proportions are different to terminator truescaling for one,

I don't know where people are getting these 'Oh it looks like X' from. I've been looking at the pictures side by side and it's not even closely resembled.

That head is nothing like a Centurion head.
The arm computer is nothing like a Deathwing Apothecary.
The backpack is nothing like a Devastator pack.
The arm is nothing like a Deathwatch arm. Key thing here is that the Deathwatch left arm actually has extra armor plating on the side of the elbow joint that's missing there.

C'mon people. At least research it before you make claims.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Well, that's assuming they're an otherwise competent photographer?

If you look closely you can see the picture is degraded into "squares", not pixelated but grouping. I don't think you could get that without it being intentional.

 Crimson wrote:
I see no greenstuff. The greenish blotches are obviously JPG compression artefacts.

Fine. Let's say that the green stuff(just happening to be visible in multiple different spots where it's obvious something has been smoothed out with green stuff...something GW doesn't do anymore, since they do CAD sculpts rather than hand sculpts) is really just compression artefacts.

Explain the two different colored bits of plastic? The legs themselves are one color, the feet are another. And if you look close, you can actually see the sheen from a glue join on the knee with the "stormcast greave" bit where it looks like someone shaved the 'arch' from another kit and attached it to this model.
Explain the fact that the boltgun is the one from the Devastator Sergeant, attached to the back of a bolt pistol with the revolver magazine from the Techpriest Dominus' Luminagen Pistol mashed on top of it?
The forearm holding the Bolt Pistol is the Clavis from a Deathwatch Watch Master. I built several of them and know that bit well. They removed the dataspike bit and added a pistol hand in lieu of the standard arm.
Also, look at the torso. It appears to be part of a Centurion model(specifically torso part #6), cut down and mated to something else for the gorget. You can also again see what appears to be green stuff cabling underneath of it.
The pack looks to be from a Mark IV plastic.

And really, the only thing he blacks out is whatever's mounted on the backpack?

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

I'm not seeing anything to indicate this is a conversion. Unless parts of this are sculpted with grey stuff to perfectly match the color of the plastic. There is no SM backpack like that currently in the range, and it does not at all look converted. Same with the feet on the marine. Nothing currently in the range looks anything like that. You would have to sculpt that if it was "fake". Just seems like a whole lot of effort for a hoax.

Surprisingly, this is far more restrained of a look than I was thinking it could be after Guilliman. This actually makes me look forward to these. Despite the fluff shakeup, these are great looking models, and I'll be getting some. If nothing else it takes the effort out of truescale converting for Inq28.

I could easily see these being a new subfaction like Deathwatch, and the scale is not so far off you could use existing weapons from the SM range to go full truescale for a normal SM army. I have to imagine this is GW'S way of increasing scale without invalidating anything. Also allows them to sell these to any SM player that wants bigger marines for their existing chapter.

I'm actually getting excited for this now.

RyanAvx wrote:
That head is nothing like a Centurion head.

It's identical to this one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101106_CenturionAssaultSquadNEW03.jpg

 n0t_u wrote:

If you look closely you can see the picture is degraded into "squares", not pixelated but grouping. I don't think you could get that without it being intentional.

That's perfectly normal JPG compression artefact. It is a low quality JPG picture.


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 Arbitrator wrote:

It's identical to this one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101106_CenturionAssaultSquadNEW03.jpg

It's not. The 'mohawk and the ear piece are different.

Has no-one else noticed the resemblance between this new dude's breastplate and Robot Guilleman's?
Sort of a neat cue if they're supposed to be enhanced by access to a Primarch and whatever Cawl was hiding in the Mystery Box…

Also, conversions using parts that don't exist are hard to do, so this really can't be a conversion; neither the legs, right arm, either gun, backpack, nor torso are from published GW kits.
They have strong resemblances to other kits, mostly Deathwatch, but no exact matches.
For example, the wrist-computer; similar to the Deathwatch one but on the wrong arm.

Is it? I don't see the stud above the left eye on the Nu-marine that's present on the Centurion.

Edit: Crimson beat me to it

 Arbitrator wrote:

RyanAvx wrote:
That head is nothing like a Centurion head.

It's identical to this one.

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101106_CenturionAssaultSquadNEW03.jpg

No, it isn't. The nu-marine doesn't have the stud on the forehead. His looks more like hair than an armor plate on top, and the earpieces are completely different. Faces are slightly different too.

 Starfarer wrote:
I'm not seeing anything to indicate this is a conversion. Unless parts of this are sculpted with grey stuff to perfectly match the color of the plastic.

Except everything present isn't all the same color.
Feet are different color to the legs.
The bolt pistol is a shade common to FW's resin as well.

There is no SM backpack like that currently in the range, and it does not at all look converted.

Can you say that with 100% certainty?

Same with the feet on the marine. Nothing currently in the range looks anything like that. You would have to sculpt that if it was "fake". Just seems like a whole lot of effort for a hoax.

The feet don't match the legs in terms of color. The feet are the color common to resin and older plastic kits. You can also see on the leg itself where someone shaved it down to accommodate the feet(look for the tell-tale "rectangle" that is currently present on GW's Tactical Marine kits).

Surprisingly, this is far more restrained of a look than I was thinking it could be after Guilliman. This actually makes me look forward to these. Despite the fluff shakeup, these are great looking models, and I'll be getting some. If nothing else it takes the effort out of truescale converting for Inq28.

I could easily see these being a new subfaction like Deathwatch, and the scale is not so far off you could use existing weapons from the SM range to go full truescale for a normal SM army. I have to imagine this is GW'S way of increasing scale without invalidating anything. Also allows them to sell these to any SM player that wants bigger marines for their existing chapter.

I'm actually getting excited for this now.

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

He's standing next to an old metal Guard model. Specifically a Last Chancer whose name I can't remember, but who isn't a huge model to begin with.

 Crimson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm not sure about the breastplate but the left arm looks a lot like it came out of the Deathwatch kit. And the shoulder pad could have come from a 4e-vintage Marine kit it's so standard/generic, and the top of the backpack looks like the current Devastator kit to me.

Do you people actually do any comparisons before you make these claims? No, it is not DW arm, no it is not a Devastator backpack. Only recognisable part is the shoulder pad, but it makes sense they'd keep that similar, so that all the FW's shoulderpad conversion bits would remain compatible.

...Yes, I look at the model before I say "Hey, that looks like..."

The bit that's throwing me off is that the pip-boy bit on the Deathwatch vambraces is on the right arm, not the left arm, but with the blurriness and the angle that could easily have been cut and swapped over. As to the backpack neither of us can see enough of it to say whether it is or isn't for certain.

As for keeping the shoulderpad similar that's a consideration for the interior, not the surface. There's nothing about giving it a more ornate rim or sculpting an Ultarmarines icon on it that would preclude using the FW shoulder pads.

In all honesty the bit that has me most convinced this is a conversion is that the gun isn't on straight. That looks like someone took the back of a psycannon, messed with the ammo box a bit, and stuck a bolter-muzzle component out off a vehicle secondary weapon on the front, but the barrel doesn't quite line up with the rest of the gun and there's a bit of discolouration in the joint that looks like it could be greenstuff (though I can't say for sure with the blurriness).

It also has a huge, perfect strap on the gun. Looks sort of
hard to duplicate.

Ok. I can't be bothered to individually debunk every 'it is that bit' claim. But they're not. 'It is vaguely similar' is not enough, the devil is in the details. Of course there will be similarities to older kits, it is the same world, same tech and the same company. If this is a hoax, it is insanely complex one, probably involving a professional sculptor.

 Crimson wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

If you look closely you can see the picture is degraded into "squares", not pixelated but grouping. I don't think you could get that without it being intentional.

That's perfectly normal JPG compression artefact. It is a low quality JPG picture.

Which is what I'm questioning.
Smaller but should be sharper as well.


Here's the original just resized to compare.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Has no-one else noticed the resemblance between this new dude's breastplate and Robot Guilleman's?
Sort of a neat cue if they're supposed to be enhanced by access to a Primarch and whatever Cawl was hiding in the Mystery Box…

Also, conversions using parts that don't exist are hard to do, so this really can't be a conversion; neither the legs, right arm, either gun, backpack, nor torso are from published GW kits.
They have strong resemblances to other kits, mostly Deathwatch, but no exact matches.
For example, the wrist-computer; similar to the Deathwatch one but on the wrong arm.

It turns out that it's possible to cut and rearrange bits of plastic components in addition to just swapping the plastic components. If I had access to my stuff right now (and weren't out of town) I'd try making that left arm or that gun to prove a point, I think I might have the parts to do it.

imho the model just looks like it's a proper assemble out of kit (means nothing really stands out as a conversion) specially the new rifle boltgun, seems to be a single plastic piece.

so either it's a real good done conversion (not a marine fan but i dig that weapon look) or just a *mock up* or testing model of how the marines will end.

Wich throws me off as being real it's the background models.. one half painted OOP last chancer model and 2 Orks with rags and guns seems more like the shelve of some random guy than the table of some guy working on design.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Has no-one else noticed the resemblance between this new dude's breastplate and Robot Guilleman's?
Sort of a neat cue if they're supposed to be enhanced by access to a Primarch and whatever Cawl was hiding in the Mystery Box…

Also, conversions using parts that don't exist are hard to do, so this really can't be a conversion; neither the legs, right arm, either gun, backpack, nor torso are from published GW kits.

The right arm is from the Devastator kit. The boltgun is converted.
The torso is from a Centurion kit, shaved down. I even identified the exact part number (6).
The bolt pistol is the one from the old Battle for Maccragge pilot model.

They have strong resemblances to other kits, mostly Deathwatch, but no exact matches.
For example, the wrist-computer; similar to the Deathwatch one but on the wrong arm.

What, you've never done an arm swap before?

Also if you look it's not sitting flush. It looks like someone cut whatever it was on then transposed it.

Crimson 720389 9246631 wrote:

Explain the fact that the boltgun is the one from the Devastator Sergeant, attached to the back of a bolt pistol with the revolver magazine from the Techpriest Dominus' Luminagen Pistol mashed on top of it?

The forearm holding the Bolt Pistol is the Clavis from a Deathwatch Watch Master

The pack looks to be from a Mark IV plastic.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

upload multiple pics

I took the time to make this for you. Side by side comparisons of the bits you mentioned, including a photoshopped boltgun with the bits you mentioned. Now I want to mention some things about this.

2 - Head - The mohawk is rounded and more definition on face. The ear lobe parts are smaller and more detailed.

3 - Clavis - Missing embelishments on side. You can clearly see on the Nu-marine that it doesn't surround the forearm like the Clavis does.

4 - The boltgun. The barrel is longer, the body is longer with more additions, more detail. If you look closely at the top, all of the parts, the rail and sights, are larger on the numarine.

5 - The revolver part from Admech. On the nu-marine, the oval parts around clearly stick out. On the admech part, the ovals are indented.

Bolter . The trap on the bolter is also clearly attached to the hand and barrel, while the devastator bolter has a part missing at the end where it attaches to the wrist.

Sorry lad, looks like I just proved you completely wrong. What do you have next for me?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

Yeah, he's about the same size as the new DW and TS, a tiny bit larger at most. Somewhat bulkier though.

That really calls into question the whole improved übermarine thing. Based on this picture I'd expect this to be a perfectly ordinary marine with some new gear.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
It also has a huge, perfect strap on the gun. Looks sort of
hard to duplicate.

There's three different arms from the Space Marine range, at least, with that bit. The Devastator kit alone comes with two(one standard Boltgun and one Combi where you slot the combi weapon on top)
I used the 'basic' Devastator boltgun, with the barrel removed and replaced with the barrel from a Space Marine Scout Sniper Rifle to make this:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Kinda strange how he's sitting next to a random half-painted Last Chancer...

RyanAvx wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Explain the fact that the boltgun is the one from the Devastator Sergeant, attached to the back of a bolt pistol with the revolver magazine from the Techpriest Dominus' Luminagen Pistol mashed on top of it?

The forearm holding the Bolt Pistol is the Clavis from a Deathwatch Watch Master

The pack looks to be from a Mark IV plastic.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

upload multiple pics

I took the time to make this for you. Side by side comparisons of the bits you mentioned, including a photoshopped boltgun with the bits you mentioned. Now I want to mention some things about this.

2 - Head - The mohawk is rounded and more definition on face. The ear lobe parts are smaller and more detailed.

3 - Clavis - Missing embelishments on side. You can clearly see on the Nu-marine that it doesn't surround the forearm like the Clavis does.

4 - The boltgun. The barrel is longer, the body is longer with more additions, more detail. If you look closely at the top, all of the parts, the rail and sights, are larger on the numarine.

5 - The revolver part from Admech. On the nu-marine, the oval parts around clearly stick out. On the admech part, the ovals are indented.

Bolter . The trap on the bolter is also clearly attached to the hand and barrel, while the devastator bolter has a part missing at the end where it attaches to the wrist.

Sorry lad, looks like I just proved you completely wrong. What do you have next for me?

I didn't say anything about the head, "lad". I said the chest.

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

I like how you're insulting me and have no real input after your arguments were proven invalid :>

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I'm not seeing anything to indicate this is a conversion. Unless parts of this are sculpted with grey stuff to perfectly match the color of the plastic.

Except everything present isn't all the same color.
Feet are different color to the legs.
The bolt pistol is a shade common to FW's resin as well.

There is no SM backpack like that currently in the range, and it does not at all look converted.

Can you say that with 100% certainty?

Same with the feet on the marine. Nothing currently in the range looks anything like that. You would have to sculpt that if it was "fake". Just seems like a whole lot of effort for a hoax.

The feet don't match the legs in terms of color. The feet are the color common to resin and older plastic kits. You can also see on the leg itself where someone shaved it down to accommodate the feet(look for the tell-tale "rectangle" that is currently present on GW's Tactical Marine kits).

Surprisingly, this is far more restrained of a look than I was thinking it could be after Guilliman. This actually makes me look forward to these. Despite the fluff shakeup, these are great looking models, and I'll be getting some. If nothing else it takes the effort out of truescale converting for Inq28.

I could easily see these being a new subfaction like Deathwatch, and the scale is not so far off you could use existing weapons from the SM range to go full truescale for a normal SM army. I have to imagine this is GW'S way of increasing scale without invalidating anything. Also allows them to sell these to any SM player that wants bigger marines for their existing chapter.

I'm actually getting excited for this now.

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

He's standing next to an old metal Guard model. Specifically a Last Chancer whose name I can't remember, but who isn't a huge model to begin with.

You are aware how light works, yes? Try photographing a bare plastic model under a light source and tell me if the raised parts catch more light and look like than parts in the recesses. If this is sculpted, by hand no less if it were fake, GW should hire this person immediately.

I'm not seeing anything shaved down on the legs. And what legs are these coming from if it's an existing kit? They aren't terminator legs and they are deathwatch. What about the torso? Someone happen to match the style exactly to Guilliman on this? They've had what, a month, of seeing Guilliman to fake this then? That's impressively quick work. Especially considering every bit is different from existing GW kits, meaning every piece was slightly altered by sculpting, OR its a legit new model. That's a lot of finely detailed sculpting work, which they've had little time to create based on the Guilliman torso similarity, just for a hoax?

The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

These are a correct size for "truescale" in my opinion. The ones based on terminators are cartoonishy big. These are bigger, but not out of place with existing marine kits. Like I said, this means GW can increase scale but it doesn't invalidate stuff people al ready own. It's a good move.

 Starfarer wrote:
...You are aware how light works, yes? Try photographing a bare plastic model under a light source and tell me if the raised parts catch more light and look like than parts in the recesses...

So why are the highlights on the legs a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Take a picture of a solid plastic model that looks like that and post it if you're so sure it's the light.

...What about the torso? Someone happen to match the style exactly to Guilliman on this? They've had what, a month, of seeing Guilliman to fake this then? That's impressively quick work...

Ordinary Mk.VII torso, cut down on the sides to create the impression of a flat Mk.III-style central plate, collar redone quickly. Maybe an hour's work. (I'm guessing, I can't say for certain whether this was what was actually done). Also I'm not sure why everyone's stuck on the style matching Guilliman, it looks nothing like him.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
We're seeing a blurry photo of something on a beat up wooden desk with other random minis next to it that literally look like some random person's collection.

About on par with 'leaks' from GW these days, isn't it?

Kanluwen wrote:
Fine. Let's say that the green stuff(just happening to be visible in multiple different spots where it's obvious something has been smoothed out with green stuff...

I've eaten more green stuff than hot dinners. I don't see any here.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

I don't see any brown stuff either.

Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

The true discussion.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

Probably because nobody knows they're still around. Or really cares, since they haven't had rules for three almost four editions now.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

Yeah, he's about the same size as the new DW and TS, a tiny bit larger at most. Somewhat bulkier though.

That really calls into question the whole improved übermarine thing. Based on this picture I'd expect this to be a perfectly ordinary marine with some new gear.

Keep in mind, the rumors about uber marines only specifically said they were a new armor mark and somewhat bigger. Thats what this is. Everything else was about the fluff, and that is always "bigger" than what you get on the tabletop. So yeah, these are uber marines with Guilliman genes and are super badass in the books. But GW isn't going to put out 10 foot marines that dwarf a huge range of existing kits that outsell everything else in the range.

Everything else was fan conjecture, and if you look at the actual quotes from Hastings, this seems to match. Speaking of which, we could solve this pretty quick if we can get him to confirm or debunk this pic.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Some people are addicted to bad posting.

Should I get the thread locked until the next wave of leaks? GW will apparently be showing stuff at a show in the next couple of weeks.

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

Starfarer wrote:The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

M'kay then.

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

 Starfarer wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Then duplicate it.

If it's so easy to do, show us.


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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

No, I mean the way the diffiuseness of the reflection is different from the feet to the legs/shoulders (which suggests a different material to me) and the way the feet are lighter grey under the shadow of the greave than the shoulder pad is at the highlight.

Seriously. Anybody who's trying to tell me the feet look different because of the light, go find a Space Marine and take me a picture that looks like that.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

He means the way that the legs appear to be dark grey(the color of most plastic kits) while the feet themselves to be a light grey/white...y'know, resiny colored.

 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Or proof that it's bulls*** and they don't want people thinking someone's conversion is theirs. Not proof of anything, in other words.

Ben2 wrote:
Some people are addicted to bad posting.

Should I get the thread locked until the next wave of leaks? GW will apparently be showing stuff at a show in the next couple of weeks.

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

If there's a post that's breaking the rules, report it. Otherwise, everyone here is discussing the topic at hand, and none of it is off topic from either side. If you don't like the discussion, no one is forcing you to read it. Threads don't get shut down because you personally don't like the discussion.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

Starfarer wrote:The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

M'kay then.

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Then duplicate it.

If it's so easy to do, show us.

If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm not claiming anything was sculpted. The only green stuff references I've made were to the gun and smoothing it out.

I've been saying that it's a kitbash.

 Starfarer wrote:
...If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm out of town. I'll do it on Thursday when I get back to my stuff. Are you somewhere you don't have access to a camera and some Space Marine legs?

Looks like a nice new aesthetic.

So, guys, to conclude: it is either really a new marine or a good conversion. Both should be appreciated. The first, because it could have been much, much worse. The second, because someone created an awesome model blending resculpts and kitbashing together in a way that fooled many people on the internet.

No need to get bitter and attacking each other. But yes, some parts Kanluwen named as sources for conversions are wrong. Which doesn't mean, it isn't a conversion, simply that those parts were not used.

Now sip some tea and wait on GW reaction.

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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

Not every Facebook group has GW regional managers in.

At this point we'll see.

I should really just relax and watch Dakka CSI play out, but I believe Doghouse, who is Mr Truescale conversion, when he thinks it isn't a conversion.

I don't think it's a conversion either. So far everything is happening as Hastings has said as well as the 4chan anon.

Damn what a beast, an army of those would make a normal space marine army looks like children. Looks fun to paint though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not claiming anything was sculpted. The only green stuff references I've made were to the gun and smoothing it out.

I've been saying that it's a kitbash.

Please point out which existing kits match any of the parts on this model. Nothing matches what is currently in the range exactly. So either it was modified by sculpting, with grey stuff to match the plastic, or its a new model.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
...If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm out of town. I'll do it on Thursday when I get back to my stuff. Are you somewhere you don't have access to a camera and some Space Marine legs?

Pretty sure we'll have confirmation before then.

I could absolutely take pictures of a pair of space marine legs. However, since I wouldn't be perfectly recreating the pose of a model I don't have in my possession and can't match the light source exactly, I have no doubt people will just say it's not a perfect match and therefore proves their point. On the other hand, it would be just as easy for me to photoshop a picture to match it if I wanted to. Neither proves anything.

If people don't understand the concept of light, a hastily photographed picture, which can't duplicate the one in question, isn't going to educate them. They should have paid more attention in science class.

If this model has a centurion chest and head then it officially at least has 2 parts to a new centurion kit. I've done enough centurion kitbashing to know, that isn't a current centurion head and no centurion torso has the wing skull on it.

Almost looks like it was taken with a flash in a darkish room based on the light in the background and on the table. That could make plastic look lighter easily. Then add in the artifact jpg compression. I see faint spots of green on the painted model. I don't think there is any green stuff anywhere.

 Starfarer wrote:

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

That discussion was about the nature of these new marines, based on Hastings' description "the new marines are to old marines like the Stormcast are to Empire soldiers" and the rumour of them somehow being created from Guilliman's blood (that part was not from Hastings, but from anonymous source, which however perfectly described this new model.)

If these new marines were indeed just not a new gear option for existing chapters, but were something fundamentally different, perhaps directly Guilliman aligned new faction of new-marines with Custodes like stats, then it indeed would devalue and sideline the old marines. But I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the fact that the Custodes are returning and probably will be the spearhead of Guillimans new crusade and that these new marine models exist accidentally got conflated into a rumour about übermarines?

We will see if the Adepticon previews from GW are about AoS or the new 40k.

Hopefully the new 40k, because that would be exciting.

Ben2 wrote:

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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

Not every Facebook group has GW regional managers in.

No, but many of them have shop managers--who if they think it's something to be concerned about would have flagged it.

At this point we'll see.

I should really just relax and watch Dakka CSI play out, but I believe Doghouse, who is Mr Truescale conversion, when he thinks it isn't a conversion.

Who?


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Almost looks like it was taken with a flash in a darkish room based on the light in the background and on the table. That could make plastic look lighter easily. Then add in the artifact jpg compression. I see faint spots of green on the painted model. I don't think there is any green stuff anywhere.

You also think that Tau are going to be squatted.

Cripes, maybe dial down the toxicity slightly? (This isn't aimed at any one person but the general atmosphere of the thread.)

 Crimson wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

That discussion was about the nature of these new marines, based on Hastings' description "the new marines are to old marines like the Stormcast are to Empire soldiers" and the rumour of them somehow being created from Guilliman's blood (that part was not from Hastings, but from anonymous source, which however perfectly described this new model.)

If these new marines were indeed just not a new gear option for existing chapters, but were something fundamentally different, perhaps directly Guilliman aligned new faction of new-marines with Custodes like stats, then it indeed would devalue and sideline the old marines. But I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the fact that the Custodes are returning and probably will be the spearhead of Guillimans new crusade and that these new marine models exist accidentally got conflated into a rumour about übermarines?

Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

Like I said, I could have missed it but maybe that statement got misconstrued in the last thread?

Anyway, I'm sure he can confirm the model himself if someone asks him.

 Kanluwen wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

Probably because nobody knows they're still around. Or really cares, since they haven't had rules for three almost four editions now.

Oh just keep all blame on me about that sorry.

Was discussing the pic with a friend he said that model didn't exist and i swear i saw that model earlier so looked for it on the internet but never checked on GW webstore.


P.S: as Starfarer said just before me yep Hastings just did a fluff comparison between new marines vs old ones, not a model appearance. In fact most of his words about the Gathering storm knowledge seems to focus more on knowing how the story will develop and wich things will appear/change than just models.

I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Here's the original Hastings exchange, lifted from the Atia blog comments and reposted in a now locked thread, for reference.

75hastings69 wrote:
I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!

Anon wrote:
New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?

75hastings69 wrote:
Imperial

*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.

See one of my original posts here....

Anon wrote:
I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.

75hastings69 wrote:
New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Anon wrote:
SO Mark 9 power armour?

75hastings69 wrote:
Not only the armour will change

 Starfarer wrote:


Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

These were the Hastings quotes I was referring to:

I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Not only the armour will change

These to me seem to imply a separate new faction of übermarines. I really hope that this will not be the case.

For your convinience, here's a close up (to the best of my abilities) of the centurion head that most closely resembles the one on the picture:


I really can't make any comparison with the blurry one, but someone may have better luck superimposing next to each other or whatever

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Conceptually, it's not a bad plan to refer to them as "the best of the best" of the marines.

That's kind of the whole schtick for the Deathwatch as it stands. I said elsewhere that this, IMO, seems like as big of a paradigm shift as when the Deathwatch get founded during the War of the Beast.

The reference to these new things being "stormcast to the empire" also strikes a similar chord there. Stormcast when compared to the Empire are closer to their deity and seem to be living avatars of Sigmar, while the Empire's state troops are just pale shadows of their former glory.

That's all just IMO though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Conceptually, it's not a bad plan to refer to them as "the best of the best" of the marines.

That's kind of the whole schtick for the Deathwatch as it stands. I said elsewhere that this, IMO, seems like as big of a paradigm shift as when the Deathwatch get founded during the War of the Beast.

The reference to these new things being "stormcast to the empire" also strikes a similar chord there. Stormcast when compared to the Empire are closer to their deity and seem to be living avatars of Sigmar, while the Empire's state troops are just pale shadows of their former glory.

That's all just IMO though.

I've never like the idea of the deathwatch as the elite of the elite. I preferred them as the "odd" marines.

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

Why?

SeanDrake wrote:

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

Why?

Why go through the effort to conceal one thing, when the claim from the guy on 4chan was that this was taken from a "private event"? You'd think he would have made an effort to black out anything that could be potentially identifiable.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

I actually tought like this. At first I think like you " Well, why this bad fluff explanation when they can just use this new scales to re-do the marine range"
But then I think in how big the marine range is, how much time they will spend to re-do all the marine range in this new scale, and how people will have Big-Marines and Mini-Me-Marines runing in the same army in the meantime.

And now I totally understand why they explain them in the fluff as a totally separated army. Now I want them to remain a Elite force in small numbers. If they become more numerous that normal marines then the power-level of the setting will go up.

Normal humans are now chaff, but they at least can acomplish something. If this new Super-marines start a trend of Super-X to every faction... meh. I always tought the power level in 40k was exagerated but reasonable in its own universe.

If they go some steps up they will end like Dragon Ball, with Guilliman punching Abaddon in the space with marines in the surface of the planet looking them fight "Wow! They are so fast!" like Krillin and Yamncha.

Perhaps it isn't a back banner and something on the wall that would identify which GW studio painter had the private event at their painting desk? Private event doesn't need to be a whiz bang conference, it can also be a tour of the GW behind the scenes and the group on the field trip got to get a glimpse of what is next.

That's an incredibly bad image. Anyone got a better one yet?

Inquisitor called... They want their 54mm Marines back.

Where are the rest of the photos?

 CoreCommander wrote:
For your convinience, here's a close up (to the best of my abilities) of the centurion head that most closely resembles the one on the picture:

Spoiler:

I really can't make any comparison with the blurry one, but someone may have better luck superimposing next to each other or whatever

It looks so similar from that angle. The only differences I can spot or think I can is the nu-marine's ear muff thing has an indent in it and this one doesn't. The other I think I can see is that the nu-marine might not have the bolt. Other than that they appear identical to me. It's not outside the realm of possibility this is an amazing conversion here due to how identical they look. Nice evidence Commander.

Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Looking at it I would think it is snap fit.

People seem to be rather excited by this. There was a post a few pages back saying we should appreciate this for one of two reasons.

1. It's real and it's not as bad as it could have been.

2. It's a great truescale conversion.

I agree with number two. It's a nice conversion that seems to be fooling a lot of people, someone's done a good technical job of putting lots of different models together and not showing the joins.

But number on point number one I don't agree. If it's official, I think it looks outdated, half finished and out of keeping with the setting. The Boltgun is very very boring, and the armour is a mismatching hodgepodge.

well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Well if the rumors are true that RG hates what the imperium is about now, then maybe he says to everyone to stop wearing skulls and other frivolous things and carry more ammo. Your fighters not glam models.

Anyone have rules on the new Cypher? Because that nu-marine's bolter has the same rounded revolver bit as Cyphers bolt pistol.

I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

We shall see...

 ZoBo wrote:
well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

How is it obvious? The leaked pic has a different torso, it has underside vents and pecs under the wings. The strap on that gun is also much longer and thinner in the leak, and lacks any major twist. Not only that but the gun has a much longer grip.

People on here are demonstrating their lack of understanding when it comes to CAD designed models. You need to realize they save EVERYTHING previously sculpted and when they want something similar to something that has been done, they simply import it and tweak it, or just import it. So of course it will look like a previous CAD design sculpt, it is of the same faction, and they are simply going to tweak the files they have on hand. Which is smart, why resculpt a fething gun strap from the bottom up when you can import a file, scale it up and tweak it subtly?

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

If it is that torso then there has been some cutting going on. It's not facing straight on along with the belt. But it looks too small.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

To paraphrase myself from earlier in the week "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has extensive paperwork featuring DNA testing that proves it's a duck, someone on Dakka will shout 'hang on, maybe it's a chicken in disguise!'"

How about instead of arguing real/fake we talk about how dissappointing it would be if it was real? It just looks like a space marine with a bolter of overcompensation. I was hoping for SOMETHING interesting and all we get is this bland thing. Why even bother making nu-marines if you're not gonna do anything cool with it. Real or fake, big thumbs down from me.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

Its just people playing Devil's avocado

just thought I'd throw this into the mix:
you can get grey Milliput & Pro-create is also grey....

ERJAK wrote:
How about instead of arguing real/fake we talk about how dissappointing it would be if it was real? It just looks like a space marine with a bolter of overcompensation. I was hoping for SOMETHING interesting and all we get is this bland thing. Why even bother making nu-marines if you're not gonna do anything cool with it. Real or fake, big thumbs down from me.

I like it. It looks like a new mark of power armour and a new (longer range?) bolter. I was afraid it would be something more outlandish.

My only worry is that the rules and fluff will be stupid and these indeed are supposed to be übermarines made from Guilliman's blood. That I wouldn't like one bit.

But the model looks great, and if they're just a new loadout for normal marines (like Centurions were) I'm perfectly fine with this.

If this is a conversion, it is the cleanest and most well-fit conversion I have ever seen in my life. Somebody witha lot of skill would have to spend a lot of hours on this just to send the pic to people and tell them not to leak it, in the hopes they actually would leak it and trick people

 bubber wrote:
just thought I'd throw this into the mix:
you can get grey Milliput & Pro-create is also grey....

Sure. You can also paint greenstuff grey. But if this is not an official model but something someone sculpted by hand GW should hire this person immediately.

New or not new, it just looks like a marine to me, maybe the helms will look a lot different. Until a helmeted, clearer version its speculation ahoy really.

When people are assessing the image, they should also bear in mind that GW, and this is either from Atia or Panda, so not likely false, now have a significant library of 3D files for the various factions.

Therefore, if you think a bit looks familiar, it is just as plausible that the two components started life as the same cad file as it is that it's some sort of flawless conversion.

 ZoBo wrote:
well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

Not even close.

This looks legit to me, if it IS fake, its is hands down the absolutley best fake I have ever seen from GW products.

From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

I really did not like the idea of super Marines. Space Marines have been the poster child for 40K since its inception and reducing them to minor and weaker players seems so wrong.

 Crimson wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:


Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

These were the Hastings quotes I was referring to:

I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Not only the armour will change

These to me seem to imply a separate new faction of übermarines. I really hope that this will not be the case.

I don't know if that quote is specifying models or fluff, though. That's what I'm saying. That said, I do think these will be a new faction, but I'm guessing 8th will have an easier ally system so these can be plugged into any SM army to allows the legions of marine players to get in on the new hotness.

 General Kroll wrote:
People seem to be rather excited by this. There was a post a few pages back saying we should appreciate this for one of two reasons.

1. It's real and it's not as bad as it could have been.

2. It's a great truescale conversion.

I agree with number two. It's a nice conversion that seems to be fooling a lot of people, someone's done a good technical job of putting lots of different models together and not showing the joins.

But number on point number one I don't agree. If it's official, I think it looks outdated, half finished and out of keeping with the setting. The Boltgun is very very boring, and the armour is a mismatching hodgepodge.

Again, I'm not saying it can't be a conversion. It very well could be. But the people saying it is a conversion are saying it is made from parts it obviously isn't, seeing imaginary greenstuff that isn't there, or claiming the color variation of plastic is from materials unknown instead of the lighting of the model.

I'm more than willing to believe it's a fake if presented with compelling evidence to suggest that. However people posting completely different pieces and essentially saying "close enough" isn't convincing anyone who is actually looking at this objectively. Throw in people's personal qualms with what implications this has for the game, and you've got a whole lot of confirmation bias steering those conclusions.

So if this is a conversion, it's flawless execution and this person should be submitting this as a resume to GW. If not, we've got some really stellar looking Mk9 Uber-Ultra-marines coming our way.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

I've seen the rest of that post, here on Dakka, where the author explains how those things aren't the things that you're saying, context is important.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

Dude. That is a picture posted on the second page of this very thread to show that those components don't match.

Just sayin', if that's not a kitbash, there's something seriously wrong between those two arm scales.

As I said, scrambling to ironically prove themselves wrong.

 Starfarer wrote:

I don't know if that quote is specifying models or fluff, though. That's what I'm saying. That said, I do think these will be a new faction, but I'm guessing 8th will have an easier ally system so these can be plugged into any SM army to allows the legions of marine players to get in on the new hotness.

I'm sure you'll be able to easily ally even if they're a new faction. But that's not the point. People are really attached to the existing chapters. If you like, say Space Wolves, being able to ally with some new überultramarines is just not satisfactory. And if these are indeed fundamentally better and different than old marines, then it will make all those marine heroes people know and love to feel like second-class weaklings. It would make the existing marine players (and there are a lot of them) resent these new marines.

The shoulderpad being blank gives me hope that these are indeed intended to be slottable into existing chapters.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

You know what else was alleged to be a pre-production piece?

Pancake edition.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

You know what else was alleged to be a pre-production piece?

Pancake edition.

Which is relevant to this how?

A fake has existing for something before, so therefore all leaks are fake? Did pancake edition match up with what the most reliable rumor mongers said? No, it didnt.

You guys can move the goalposts like the best of them.

Looks legit to me except for the feet being a different shade of grey.

Fifty Shades of Grey, staring Roboute Gulliman and the Emperor...

If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

I was hoping the super marines (assuming this is real) wouldn't let use boltguns and bolt pistols, and use something more exotic or old fashioned, like volkite or something new.

 Theophony wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Well if the rumors are true that RG hates what the imperium is about now, then maybe he says to everyone to stop wearing skulls and other frivolous things and carry more ammo. Your fighters not glam models.

LoL, giving rise to the anti-Chaos rebels, the Utilitarian Imperialist, or Ultra Imperium. Brazenly stripping all ornamentation from their armor and weaponry, they eschew fancy coloring and go for local camouflage patterns.

I was honestly expecting something with a lot more lighting bolts, skulls, outlandish trim and a much smaller head. And covered in Ultramarine iconography. This guy doesn't look too bad. I might actually pick up a squad to ally in to my Salamanders depending on the rules.

For what it's worth, I sent that pic to a friend and former colleague of mine who paints for gw, and asked him if it was legit or bs. He said it wasn't a specific model he has seen, but it's the same armour as the ones he has.

I think it's legit or a really really good conversion. The main sign is the legs. Because of the larger scale, only the Death Watch legs are currently available in that scale. Those legs don't match any from those sets. The only sign it possibly being a conversion are the different color feet. The color is too consistent to just be a trick of the light.
Another theroy could be that some of the conversion signs were photoshopped out and then a crappy "black out" added to make it look more simplistic. People have gone to greater lengths to create fake releases.

But if it is real, it goes to point I was making in another thread. We've already seen the scale for the new "Adeptes Superioris" in the Death Watch and Rubic Marine releases. They are only adding a new fluff justification to explain why new releases are a head taller than your old marines.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Definitely not from the new starter set out later this year.

Those are stormcast eternal liberator legs with swapped out feet

We're also assuming all parts are GW - could be third party, could be completely legit.

But here's what bugs me.

1. The right arm. It's out of scale with the rest of the model.
2. 'Private Event'? Gloriously vague - and if it was a 'Private Event', why is it on someone's home workbench? Also, I've never heard of GW running such things before. Ever - the report is also seemingly uncorroborated, which seems unusual.
3. Feet are different shade than the rest.

As for 'it's the same guy who told us what it looked like' - doesn't mean it's not a wind up (don't like the term hoax, seems too strong)

 Starfarer wrote:
So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Regardless of whether this is a fake, that logic doesn't hold up: 1- someone with an extensive collection certainly could make one space marine with specific parts in 2 days if so inclined and 2- it's not like people haven't been making nice truescale conversions for ages.


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 Gitzbitah wrote:
the Utilitarian Imperialist, or Ultra Imperium. Brazenly stripping all ornamentation from their armor and weaponry

...so that Guilliman can wear it all.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Do you seriously think somebody made this conversion specifically because of a rumour? Be asked that's not what happened...

Stormcast Eternal a have been out since last year, so really he faked it in 6 or 7 months time (I think) and that's if he started converting as soon as he it his first stormcast model. Which he probably didn't.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

I actually assembled the new bloodbowl ogre this week and it has separate foot and leg pieces. I've already painted it up, but they are doing more elaborate pieces and more parts to get the details they want shown. In the bloodbowl ogre case they made the seam of the shoe be the join and made the bottom of the show have spikes on it because he is in a running pose. While not a space marine per your question, it is one of the newest releases that GW has made and could be the way forward.

As for the bottom of the magazine, who's to say it's not an energy gun and who cares how it's shaped. Or it could be solid ammo and it is open there to see how much ammo is left like the other boxed magazines GW produces, just upside down.

The plastic where the joins would be from conversion (or cutting/scrapping) is too clean in my book. If it is a conversion then it's one of the best I've ever seen with a ton of photoshop done afterwards to help mask it.

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 Starfarer wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Do you seriously think somebody made this conversion specifically because of a rumour? Because that's not what happened...

Stormcast Eternal a have been out since last year, so really he faked it in 6 or 7 months time (I think) and that's if he started converting as soon as he got his first stormcast model, which he probably didn't.