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Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Looking at it I would think it is snap fit.

People seem to be rather excited by this. There was a post a few pages back saying we should appreciate this for one of two reasons.

1. It's real and it's not as bad as it could have been.

2. It's a great truescale conversion.

I agree with number two. It's a nice conversion that seems to be fooling a lot of people, someone's done a good technical job of putting lots of different models together and not showing the joins.

But number on point number one I don't agree. If it's official, I think it looks outdated, half finished and out of keeping with the setting. The Boltgun is very very boring, and the armour is a mismatching hodgepodge.

well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Well if the rumors are true that RG hates what the imperium is about now, then maybe he says to everyone to stop wearing skulls and other frivolous things and carry more ammo. Your fighters not glam models.

Anyone have rules on the new Cypher? Because that nu-marine's bolter has the same rounded revolver bit as Cyphers bolt pistol.

I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

We shall see...

 ZoBo wrote:
well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

How is it obvious? The leaked pic has a different torso, it has underside vents and pecs under the wings. The strap on that gun is also much longer and thinner in the leak, and lacks any major twist. Not only that but the gun has a much longer grip.

People on here are demonstrating their lack of understanding when it comes to CAD designed models. You need to realize they save EVERYTHING previously sculpted and when they want something similar to something that has been done, they simply import it and tweak it, or just import it. So of course it will look like a previous CAD design sculpt, it is of the same faction, and they are simply going to tweak the files they have on hand. Which is smart, why resculpt a fething gun strap from the bottom up when you can import a file, scale it up and tweak it subtly?

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

If it is that torso then there has been some cutting going on. It's not facing straight on along with the belt. But it looks too small.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

To paraphrase myself from earlier in the week "if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has extensive paperwork featuring DNA testing that proves it's a duck, someone on Dakka will shout 'hang on, maybe it's a chicken in disguise!'"

How about instead of arguing real/fake we talk about how dissappointing it would be if it was real? It just looks like a space marine with a bolter of overcompensation. I was hoping for SOMETHING interesting and all we get is this bland thing. Why even bother making nu-marines if you're not gonna do anything cool with it. Real or fake, big thumbs down from me.

 BrotherGecko wrote:

 Crimson wrote:
I can't deal with this. Are people really this blind? Why people keep constantly mentioning or linking obviously different looking parts thinking that they're the same?

I've been trying to figure this out too. Its like people are scrambling to ironically prove its not a conversion but while also being smug.

Its just people playing Devil's avocado

just thought I'd throw this into the mix:
you can get grey Milliput & Pro-create is also grey....

ERJAK wrote:
How about instead of arguing real/fake we talk about how dissappointing it would be if it was real? It just looks like a space marine with a bolter of overcompensation. I was hoping for SOMETHING interesting and all we get is this bland thing. Why even bother making nu-marines if you're not gonna do anything cool with it. Real or fake, big thumbs down from me.

I like it. It looks like a new mark of power armour and a new (longer range?) bolter. I was afraid it would be something more outlandish.

My only worry is that the rules and fluff will be stupid and these indeed are supposed to be übermarines made from Guilliman's blood. That I wouldn't like one bit.

But the model looks great, and if they're just a new loadout for normal marines (like Centurions were) I'm perfectly fine with this.

If this is a conversion, it is the cleanest and most well-fit conversion I have ever seen in my life. Somebody witha lot of skill would have to spend a lot of hours on this just to send the pic to people and tell them not to leak it, in the hopes they actually would leak it and trick people

 bubber wrote:
just thought I'd throw this into the mix:
you can get grey Milliput & Pro-create is also grey....

Sure. You can also paint greenstuff grey. But if this is not an official model but something someone sculpted by hand GW should hire this person immediately.

New or not new, it just looks like a marine to me, maybe the helms will look a lot different. Until a helmeted, clearer version its speculation ahoy really.

When people are assessing the image, they should also bear in mind that GW, and this is either from Atia or Panda, so not likely false, now have a significant library of 3D files for the various factions.

Therefore, if you think a bit looks familiar, it is just as plausible that the two components started life as the same cad file as it is that it's some sort of flawless conversion.

 ZoBo wrote:
well, here's two of the bits on that obvious conversion...
(the torso, and at least the majority of the gun)

Not even close.

This looks legit to me, if it IS fake, its is hands down the absolutley best fake I have ever seen from GW products.

From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

I really did not like the idea of super Marines. Space Marines have been the poster child for 40K since its inception and reducing them to minor and weaker players seems so wrong.

 Crimson wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:


Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

These were the Hastings quotes I was referring to:

I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Not only the armour will change

These to me seem to imply a separate new faction of übermarines. I really hope that this will not be the case.

I don't know if that quote is specifying models or fluff, though. That's what I'm saying. That said, I do think these will be a new faction, but I'm guessing 8th will have an easier ally system so these can be plugged into any SM army to allows the legions of marine players to get in on the new hotness.

 General Kroll wrote:
People seem to be rather excited by this. There was a post a few pages back saying we should appreciate this for one of two reasons.

1. It's real and it's not as bad as it could have been.

2. It's a great truescale conversion.

I agree with number two. It's a nice conversion that seems to be fooling a lot of people, someone's done a good technical job of putting lots of different models together and not showing the joins.

But number on point number one I don't agree. If it's official, I think it looks outdated, half finished and out of keeping with the setting. The Boltgun is very very boring, and the armour is a mismatching hodgepodge.

Again, I'm not saying it can't be a conversion. It very well could be. But the people saying it is a conversion are saying it is made from parts it obviously isn't, seeing imaginary greenstuff that isn't there, or claiming the color variation of plastic is from materials unknown instead of the lighting of the model.

I'm more than willing to believe it's a fake if presented with compelling evidence to suggest that. However people posting completely different pieces and essentially saying "close enough" isn't convincing anyone who is actually looking at this objectively. Throw in people's personal qualms with what implications this has for the game, and you've got a whole lot of confirmation bias steering those conclusions.

So if this is a conversion, it's flawless execution and this person should be submitting this as a resume to GW. If not, we've got some really stellar looking Mk9 Uber-Ultra-marines coming our way.

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

I've seen the rest of that post, here on Dakka, where the author explains how those things aren't the things that you're saying, context is important.


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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

Dude. That is a picture posted on the second page of this very thread to show that those components don't match.

Just sayin', if that's not a kitbash, there's something seriously wrong between those two arm scales.

As I said, scrambling to ironically prove themselves wrong.

 Starfarer wrote:

I don't know if that quote is specifying models or fluff, though. That's what I'm saying. That said, I do think these will be a new faction, but I'm guessing 8th will have an easier ally system so these can be plugged into any SM army to allows the legions of marine players to get in on the new hotness.

I'm sure you'll be able to easily ally even if they're a new faction. But that's not the point. People are really attached to the existing chapters. If you like, say Space Wolves, being able to ally with some new überultramarines is just not satisfactory. And if these are indeed fundamentally better and different than old marines, then it will make all those marine heroes people know and love to feel like second-class weaklings. It would make the existing marine players (and there are a lot of them) resent these new marines.

The shoulderpad being blank gives me hope that these are indeed intended to be slottable into existing chapters.