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 Mr_Rose wrote:
Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

You know what else was alleged to be a pre-production piece?

Pancake edition.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Private event also means the guest list is more likely to be known fully/recorded and therefore makes individuals easier to identify, depending on the cooperation of the organiser. And considering that the mini in question is alleged to be a pre-production piece, the organiser is highly likely to be either GW themselves or closely tied to GW.

You know what else was alleged to be a pre-production piece?

Pancake edition.

Which is relevant to this how?

A fake has existing for something before, so therefore all leaks are fake? Did pancake edition match up with what the most reliable rumor mongers said? No, it didnt.

You guys can move the goalposts like the best of them.

Looks legit to me except for the feet being a different shade of grey.

Fifty Shades of Grey, staring Roboute Gulliman and the Emperor...

If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

I was hoping the super marines (assuming this is real) wouldn't let use boltguns and bolt pistols, and use something more exotic or old fashioned, like volkite or something new.

 Theophony wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
I remain rather skeptical. We'll see. It feels too simple and unembellished for what GW seems to be going for lately.

Well if the rumors are true that RG hates what the imperium is about now, then maybe he says to everyone to stop wearing skulls and other frivolous things and carry more ammo. Your fighters not glam models.

LoL, giving rise to the anti-Chaos rebels, the Utilitarian Imperialist, or Ultra Imperium. Brazenly stripping all ornamentation from their armor and weaponry, they eschew fancy coloring and go for local camouflage patterns.

I was honestly expecting something with a lot more lighting bolts, skulls, outlandish trim and a much smaller head. And covered in Ultramarine iconography. This guy doesn't look too bad. I might actually pick up a squad to ally in to my Salamanders depending on the rules.

For what it's worth, I sent that pic to a friend and former colleague of mine who paints for gw, and asked him if it was legit or bs. He said it wasn't a specific model he has seen, but it's the same armour as the ones he has.

I think it's legit or a really really good conversion. The main sign is the legs. Because of the larger scale, only the Death Watch legs are currently available in that scale. Those legs don't match any from those sets. The only sign it possibly being a conversion are the different color feet. The color is too consistent to just be a trick of the light.
Another theroy could be that some of the conversion signs were photoshopped out and then a crappy "black out" added to make it look more simplistic. People have gone to greater lengths to create fake releases.

But if it is real, it goes to point I was making in another thread. We've already seen the scale for the new "Adeptes Superioris" in the Death Watch and Rubic Marine releases. They are only adding a new fluff justification to explain why new releases are a head taller than your old marines.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Definitely not from the new starter set out later this year.

Those are stormcast eternal liberator legs with swapped out feet

We're also assuming all parts are GW - could be third party, could be completely legit.

But here's what bugs me.

1. The right arm. It's out of scale with the rest of the model.
2. 'Private Event'? Gloriously vague - and if it was a 'Private Event', why is it on someone's home workbench? Also, I've never heard of GW running such things before. Ever - the report is also seemingly uncorroborated, which seems unusual.
3. Feet are different shade than the rest.

As for 'it's the same guy who told us what it looked like' - doesn't mean it's not a wind up (don't like the term hoax, seems too strong)

 Starfarer wrote:
So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Regardless of whether this is a fake, that logic doesn't hold up: 1- someone with an extensive collection certainly could make one space marine with specific parts in 2 days if so inclined and 2- it's not like people haven't been making nice truescale conversions for ages.


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 Gitzbitah wrote:
the Utilitarian Imperialist, or Ultra Imperium. Brazenly stripping all ornamentation from their armor and weaponry

...so that Guilliman can wear it all.

 Starfarer wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Do you seriously think somebody made this conversion specifically because of a rumour? Be asked that's not what happened...

Stormcast Eternal a have been out since last year, so really he faked it in 6 or 7 months time (I think) and that's if he started converting as soon as he it his first stormcast model. Which he probably didn't.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

I actually assembled the new bloodbowl ogre this week and it has separate foot and leg pieces. I've already painted it up, but they are doing more elaborate pieces and more parts to get the details they want shown. In the bloodbowl ogre case they made the seam of the shoe be the join and made the bottom of the show have spikes on it because he is in a running pose. While not a space marine per your question, it is one of the newest releases that GW has made and could be the way forward.

As for the bottom of the magazine, who's to say it's not an energy gun and who cares how it's shaped. Or it could be solid ammo and it is open there to see how much ammo is left like the other boxed magazines GW produces, just upside down.

The plastic where the joins would be from conversion (or cutting/scrapping) is too clean in my book. If it is a conversion then it's one of the best I've ever seen with a ton of photoshop done afterwards to help mask it.

123ply wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.
It's a true scale conversion. A good one but a conversion none the less.

The feet are the same color as the arm that is facing the light source. In fact the only part thats darker are the shins and anything else in the recesses, you know, where there's less light.

Where did that backpack come from, or those legs? Were they sculpted from scratch? For every piece you point to as a fake, there's just as many no one has be willing or able to explain how it would be faked, short of being a full sculpt from a hoaxer, which seems incredibly coincidental considering the rumors from reliable rumor mongers just released details that match this model a few days ago.

So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Do you seriously think somebody made this conversion specifically because of a rumour? Because that's not what happened...

Stormcast Eternal a have been out since last year, so really he faked it in 6 or 7 months time (I think) and that's if he started converting as soon as he got his first stormcast model, which he probably didn't.

Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We're also assuming all parts are GW - could be third party, could be completely legit.

But here's what bugs me.

1. The right arm. It's out of scale with the rest of the model.
2. 'Private Event'? Gloriously vague - and if it was a 'Private Event', why is it on someone's home workbench? Also, I've never heard of GW running such things before. Ever - the report is also seemingly uncorroborated, which seems unusual.
3. Feet are different shade than the rest.

As for 'it's the same guy who told us what it looked like' - doesn't mean it's not a wind up (don't like the term hoax, seems too strong)

Thats true, but the strongest point are the torso that match Guilliman's torso shape and the backpack. Thats pretty tough to fake and isn't third party. The right arm and some parts of the gun are the most suspect part, but it could be perspective thing. Hard to say for certain with the quality of the pic.

I just wish Sad Panda or Hastings would jump in to debunk or confirm.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
We're also assuming all parts are GW - could be third party, could be completely legit.

But here's what bugs me.

1. The right arm. It's out of scale with the rest of the model.
2. 'Private Event'? Gloriously vague - and if it was a 'Private Event', why is it on someone's home workbench? Also, I've never heard of GW running such things before. Ever - the report is also seemingly uncorroborated, which seems unusual.
3. Feet are different shade than the rest.

As for 'it's the same guy who told us what it looked like' - doesn't mean it's not a wind up (don't like the term hoax, seems too strong)

1. I think the guy is wearing a pip-boy on his arm making it look meatier.
2. I don't know. That's odd.
3. It's the lighting. This is a really bad picture so some of the colors look odd.

I think it's a real miniature and someone had some fun making sure this picture as blurry as possible to frustrate fans. Makes me think of the leak of the White Dwarf cover with the Burning of Prospero stuff- we had a tiny junk picture for a week before we could actually see things.

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

Edit: scratch that, they're definatley not stormcast legs lol. Still, dude made a stupid point, and he got a stupid response.

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

They are a completely different shape. Not even remotely similar. Even the knee lip is different. Stormcast legs taper at the ankle, space marine legs widen at the ankle.

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

LMAO no they don't look just like them. is it really so hard to use the device your replying with to go over to google images?

Edit: nice ninja edit.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
So did someone fake this in less than 48 hours? Seems very unlikely, or they got REALLY lucky that their hoax just happened to match the rumors that just came out.

Regardless of whether this is a fake, that logic doesn't hold up: 1- someone with an extensive collection certainly could make one space marine with specific parts in 2 days if so inclined and 2- it's not like people haven't been making nice truescale conversions for ages.

Yes, someone could make a truescale marine with existing SM parts in that time. Again, please point out what existing kit any of those components are from. So far the skeptics are about 0 for 10, and as others have said ironically disproving their argument. Case in point, the suggestion those are stormcast legs.

 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

LMAO no they don't look just like them. is it really so hard to use the device your replying with to go over to google images?

Edit: nice ninja edit.

Beat ya to it

Hey, is that demo man from schaefer's last chancers? Maybe they're gonna return! Lol.

123ply wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:

123ply wrote:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Do you serious think those are stormcast legs?

I don't actually own Stormcasts but from what I remember they look just like them. Plus they're what makes the model so much bigger

LMAO no they don't look just like them. is it really so hard to use the device your replying with to go over to google images?

Edit: nice ninja edit.

Best ya to it

Yea, you sure best me. I guess you shoed me gud.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why are some parts a different colour. When was the last time you assembled a space marine who's feet were a seperate part?

There's two separate issues here that you're trying to conflate to muddy the waters: the question of why parts seem to be a different colour is not actually related to how the components fit together.
For the question of colour, I still say it's an artefact of the way the model is lit; observe:

Clearly that Domitar's left arm is a different material to the rest of it, yes or no?

For the question of separate feet, until the second-most-recent tactical marine sprue, I had never assemble a marine with a torso that came in two pieces before. That doesn't mean the kit didn't exist or couldn't exist. Also, other GW models have had separate feet before, even at this scale, and recently too, like the Blood Bowl Orc team for a start, so the concept clearly exists within GW's collective sculpting lexicon.

 Tamereth wrote:
If it's not a fake why does the magazine on the bolter have a hole in it. It looks like a part from a pintle mounted stormbolter.

Is it a "hole" or a slot? Is it a new stylistic direction? Is it a partially assembled miniature that's missing the part that fills that hole? If it is fake and that's a bit from another kit, how did the author, who so masterfully hid the dozens of razor cuts and joins they must have made as well as managing to blend a grey stuff mix the exact colour of plastic GW uses, manage to miss such an obvious hole?

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