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 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

Just a heads up lad that's not from 4chan that's a picture I made before work earlier today. Page 2 I think it is, when another poster pointed out those parts and I pointed them out side by side and stated how they're different from each other.

It's kind of nice to see my little picture make the rounds like this though. I feel like a superstar

Edit - Oh I see people already pointed it out, thanks guys! Scrolling down before replying is important, derp.

RyanAvx wrote:

 MadCowCrazy wrote:
From 4chan



It's a kitbash.
From 40k General:
>1- The head is the Devastator Centurion Sergeant.
>2- The "pip" is the Deathwatch Watch Master's Clavis. The embellishments have been scratched away/greenstuffed away.
>3- The boltgun is a mish-mash of a regular boltgun with several bits from the Magos Dominus' weapon

Just a heads up lad that's not from 4chan that's a picture I made before work earlier today. Page 2 I think it is, when another poster pointed out those parts and I pointed them out side by side and stated how they're different from each other.

It's kind of nice to see my little picture make the rounds like this though. I feel like a superstar

The only issue is that people are using it to prove it is a conversion, but that's not why you created the image and went through the pieces and did side by side comparisons.

But it's interesting to see how quickly this sort of thing spreads.

And it's still worth noting that he wasn't actually right all of the way. He had me on some of the stuff(the "pip", which I'm still going to maintain is likely just someone having cut the arm from a Deathwatch Marine and reversed it, and some elements of the boltgun) but I'm still fairly sure some of these things are converted.

The revolver drum for Magos Dominus' weapon? It's not "indentations" like he claimed it was. Each of the things he claimed was an "indentation" is actually a raised surface.

Oh, and still haven't had anybody debunk me calling out the Bolt Pistol as the one from the Battle for Macragge pilot.

But hey. JamesY seems to be fairly confident in what he posted, so we'll see either way. I really got a kick out of someone trying to point at a resin model and trying to act as though it was "made from two different materials". We've known for quite some time that resin comes in various shades, ranging from a white to dark-plasticy grey.
Plastic kits don't tend to have that kind of variation in color, unless the kits themselves are from different time periods(ex: a Guard kit from now might be a lighter or darker shade of grey than one from the original run).

Additionally?
I loved the comments about it being "image artifacts" when it was me commenting on what appeared to be green stuff, but it was clearly a service stud on the head shown.

 Kanluwen wrote:
And it's still worth noting that he wasn't actually right all of the way. He had me on some of the stuff(the "pip", which I'm still going to maintain is likely just someone having cut the arm from a Deathwatch Marine and reversed it, and some elements of the boltgun) but I'm still fairly sure some of these things are converted.

The revolver drum for Magos Dominus' weapon? It's not "indentations" like he claimed it was. Each of the things he claimed was an "indentation" is actually a raised surface.

Oh, and still haven't had anybody debunk me calling out the Bolt Pistol as the one from the Battle for Macragge pilot.

But hey. JamesY seems to be fairly confident in what he posted, so we'll see either way. I really got a kick out of someone trying to point at a resin model and trying to act as though it was "made from two different materials". We've known for quite some time that resin comes in various shades, ranging from a white to dark-plasticy grey.
Plastic kits don't tend to have that kind of variation in color, unless the kits themselves are from different time periods(ex: a Guard kit from now might be a lighter or darker shade of grey than one from the original run).

Additionally?
I loved the comments about it being "image artifacts" when it was me commenting on what appeared to be green stuff, but it was clearly a service stud on the head shown.

'Ere we go again. First off this is the Macragge bolt pistol you mentioned at more or less the same angle. As we can see, the Macragge bolt pistol is a completely different design.

First, there's no iron sight on the Numarine, in it's place are these little indents above the barrel that are missing in the Macragge bolt pistol. The macragge bolt pistol is longer and narrower while the Numarine bolt pistol is chunkier and stubbier. The numarine pistol actually has a barrel while the Macragge bolt pistol is like a tiny stub sticking out.

Sorry I didn't do it earlier I was at work all day :>

Oh, and still haven't had anybody debunk me calling out the Bolt Pistol as the one from the Battle for Macragge pilot.

Fair enough..



The barrel's too short, the cowling is fundamentally the wrong shape with what would require major work to alter the detail and the rack/slide thing's is on the wrong side.

Thank you Azrael.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thank you Azrael.

What about me ;_; I too need to be validated!

Cast or conversion aside, it looks like theyre debating the benefits of having a gun and an ammo bag vs having two guns.

Well, if it is a fake, it is a VERY well done fake. I think the thing that bothers me is that it really does just look like another version of marine armour no more different from Mark 8 than mark 4 is from Mark 3 and much less different than the gray Knights for example. If it is a new faction I would hope for more of a departure.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thank you Azrael.

Why didn't you google that yourself before making the claim? Frankly, people are wasting their time here debunking assertions based on your vague recollections.

More to the point if you think those are the same you might want to get an eye test.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thank you Azrael.

Why didn't you google that yourself before making the claim? Frankly, people are wasting their time here debunking assertions based on your vague recollections.

Remind me again how you seeing a "service stud" on a blurry photo is conclusive proof, while me pointing out what looks like green stuff smoothing is "image artefacts"?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Remind me again how you seeing a "service stud" on a blurry photo is conclusive proof, while me pointing out what looks like green stuff smoothing is "image artefacts"?

I never mentioned the service stud, the greenish blocks are compression artefacts, they're angular and all over the picture, not just on the marine.

Look guys, its either a whole new mini, or a very very high quality conversion/custom sculpt - as in, if its converted, each "part" is made up of smaller parts taken from other kits, like the gun would need to be made from 3-5 separate parts of different guns, the head from 2-3 different heads, etc. No one part of the mini is an identical match to anything "off the shelf".

Seriously, there's a War of Faith going on and nobody told me?!

I'm in the camp of it's legit, as I can't see any greenstuff on the bolter (if you look closely it's a rectangle artifact from the Jpeg- the area around is also distorted.

I've gone and looked at the kits people say it's from and most of the "it's not legit" pics fall in the "close, but not exact". Has anyone got in contact with Hastings to see if it's legit or not? I wanna know which side of this War of Faith (as that's what this is, judging by how hostile this topic feels) is correct.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Look guys, its either a whole new mini, or a very very high quality conversion/custom sculpt - as in, if its converted, each "part" is made up of smaller parts taken from other kits, like the gun would need to be made from 3-5 separate parts of different guns, the head from 2-3 different heads, etc. No one part of the mini is an identical match to anything "off the shelf".

To achieve the conversion in the way some posters suggest would've taken weeks of work especially for how seamless it is. For example, the Bolter has an extended barrel (including the top barrel thing whose name I don't remember). Not to mention the fact that the casing itself has been extended with no seam line visible whatsoever. If someone can achieve results like this just with HIPS plastic I am very impressed. They should apply for a job at GW.

After enhancing the image on page 2 and looking at it more, I've moved from the "it's a fake" team to the "I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch this play out" team.

 n0t_u wrote:
After enhancing the image on page 2 and looking at it more, I've moved from the "it's a fake" team to the "I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch this play out" team.

That probably the best way to watch this pan out. On the other hand, you're not dying for the Emperor but living for yourself

We did get to see Kan walk back his claims which is as rare as a unicorn under water.

Nah. He's done it two or three times this week alone. You're just not looking in the right subforums.

 SpinCycleDreadnought wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:
After enhancing the image on page 2 and looking at it more, I've moved from the "it's a fake" team to the "I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch this play out" team.

That probably the best way to watch this pan out. On the other hand, you're not dying for the Emperor but living for yourself

He never wanted to be a god like that, and now he's just spooky.

 Starfarer wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
...If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm out of town. I'll do it on Thursday when I get back to my stuff. Are you somewhere you don't have access to a camera and some Space Marine legs?

Pretty sure we'll have confirmation before then.

I could absolutely take pictures of a pair of space marine legs. However, since I wouldn't be perfectly recreating the pose of a model I don't have in my possession and can't match the light source exactly, I have no doubt people will just say it's not a perfect match and therefore proves their point. On the other hand, it would be just as easy for me to photoshop a picture to match it if I wanted to. Neither proves anything.

If people don't understand the concept of light, a hastily photographed picture, which can't duplicate the one in question, isn't going to educate them. They should have paid more attention in science class.

So whether or not I can convert a duplicate of the model is useful information, but whether or not you can create that effect with a camera isn't?


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chaos0xomega wrote:
Look guys, its either a whole new mini, or a very very high quality conversion/custom sculpt - as in, if its converted, each "part" is made up of smaller parts taken from other kits, like the gun would need to be made from 3-5 separate parts of different guns, the head from 2-3 different heads, etc. No one part of the mini is an identical match to anything "off the shelf".

Except the shoulder pad.

(I'm counting four parts for the gun, not counting the hand, but it may take a fifth to get the bit just before the muzzle just right. I also find it slightly suspicious that the Last Chancer is obscuring the gun strap exactly where I'd need a bit of greenstuff to extend it to fit a longer gun. Not sure about the head, it looks familiar but I don't pay that much attention to the non-helmeted heads (my Salamanders look silly with hair and my Death Guard wear helmets).)

The thread's been up for almost 14 hours. Given the number of eyes that have been on that image in the interim, and the overwhelming ubiquity of Space Marine kits, the head, alongside every single other component, or piece of a component, should have been identified by now.

But not one thing has been identified with any element of certainty.

I saw a comment on FB that said something along the lines of "how can a model from an obscure, 30 year old manufacturer get identified in minutes, and yet nobody can pin down a single piece of this'll model, and people still claim it's a kitbash?"

Well it'll be interesting to see how this one turns out. Be interesting to see if GW comments on it or makes a joke about it.

 Azreal13 wrote:
...But not one thing has been identified with any element of certainty...

I've identified a good chunk of it with quite a lot of certainty. It's not my fault you're refusing to believe me.

It's not a refusal, it's simply self evident that none of it is quite right. Almost won't cut it, not when we have it on good authority that GW use a library of 3D objects for their sculpts.

EDIT I've just gone back and checked, what you appear to have identified is the pipboy, but with no clear idea if it's possible to switch the arms and other users showing that the parts aren't all that similar, and some sort of vague assertion you could "make the gun" without any clear plan of how or from what components.

Hardly "a chunk" and hardly conclusive.

I just wish they'd make all marines truescale. I'm sure there's a creative way to make it work.

 Azreal13 wrote:
It's not a refusal, it's simply self evident that none of it is quite right. Almost won't cut it, not when we have it on good authority that GW use a library of 3D objects for their sculpts.

I don't think it's 'self-evident' that I'm wrong. Feel free to not believe me, but stop calling me names for thinking it could be a hoax.

Calling you names? Where exactly have I called you a name?!!!

 Azreal13 wrote:
Calling you names? Where exactly have I called you a name?!!!

Hyperbole, sorry.

I get a bit touchy when people tell me I'm wrong because their argument is 'self-evident'.