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Ben2 wrote:
Some people are addicted to bad posting.

Should I get the thread locked until the next wave of leaks? GW will apparently be showing stuff at a show in the next couple of weeks.

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

If there's a post that's breaking the rules, report it. Otherwise, everyone here is discussing the topic at hand, and none of it is off topic from either side. If you don't like the discussion, no one is forcing you to read it. Threads don't get shut down because you personally don't like the discussion.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

Starfarer wrote:The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

M'kay then.

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Then duplicate it.

If it's so easy to do, show us.

If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm not claiming anything was sculpted. The only green stuff references I've made were to the gun and smoothing it out.

I've been saying that it's a kitbash.

 Starfarer wrote:
...If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm out of town. I'll do it on Thursday when I get back to my stuff. Are you somewhere you don't have access to a camera and some Space Marine legs?

Looks like a nice new aesthetic.

So, guys, to conclude: it is either really a new marine or a good conversion. Both should be appreciated. The first, because it could have been much, much worse. The second, because someone created an awesome model blending resculpts and kitbashing together in a way that fooled many people on the internet.

No need to get bitter and attacking each other. But yes, some parts Kanluwen named as sources for conversions are wrong. Which doesn't mean, it isn't a conversion, simply that those parts were not used.

Now sip some tea and wait on GW reaction.

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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

Not every Facebook group has GW regional managers in.

At this point we'll see.

I should really just relax and watch Dakka CSI play out, but I believe Doghouse, who is Mr Truescale conversion, when he thinks it isn't a conversion.

I don't think it's a conversion either. So far everything is happening as Hastings has said as well as the 4chan anon.

Damn what a beast, an army of those would make a normal space marine army looks like children. Looks fun to paint though.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I'm not claiming anything was sculpted. The only green stuff references I've made were to the gun and smoothing it out.

I've been saying that it's a kitbash.

Please point out which existing kits match any of the parts on this model. Nothing matches what is currently in the range exactly. So either it was modified by sculpting, with grey stuff to match the plastic, or its a new model.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
...If it's so easy to sculpt a marine where every part is different from existing kits, just to play an Internet hoax, then duplicate it. Show us.

I'm out of town. I'll do it on Thursday when I get back to my stuff. Are you somewhere you don't have access to a camera and some Space Marine legs?

Pretty sure we'll have confirmation before then.

I could absolutely take pictures of a pair of space marine legs. However, since I wouldn't be perfectly recreating the pose of a model I don't have in my possession and can't match the light source exactly, I have no doubt people will just say it's not a perfect match and therefore proves their point. On the other hand, it would be just as easy for me to photoshop a picture to match it if I wanted to. Neither proves anything.

If people don't understand the concept of light, a hastily photographed picture, which can't duplicate the one in question, isn't going to educate them. They should have paid more attention in science class.

If this model has a centurion chest and head then it officially at least has 2 parts to a new centurion kit. I've done enough centurion kitbashing to know, that isn't a current centurion head and no centurion torso has the wing skull on it.

Almost looks like it was taken with a flash in a darkish room based on the light in the background and on the table. That could make plastic look lighter easily. Then add in the artifact jpg compression. I see faint spots of green on the painted model. I don't think there is any green stuff anywhere.

 Starfarer wrote:

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

That discussion was about the nature of these new marines, based on Hastings' description "the new marines are to old marines like the Stormcast are to Empire soldiers" and the rumour of them somehow being created from Guilliman's blood (that part was not from Hastings, but from anonymous source, which however perfectly described this new model.)

If these new marines were indeed just not a new gear option for existing chapters, but were something fundamentally different, perhaps directly Guilliman aligned new faction of new-marines with Custodes like stats, then it indeed would devalue and sideline the old marines. But I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the fact that the Custodes are returning and probably will be the spearhead of Guillimans new crusade and that these new marine models exist accidentally got conflated into a rumour about übermarines?

We will see if the Adepticon previews from GW are about AoS or the new 40k.

Hopefully the new 40k, because that would be exciting.

Ben2 wrote:

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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

Not every Facebook group has GW regional managers in.

No, but many of them have shop managers--who if they think it's something to be concerned about would have flagged it.

At this point we'll see.

I should really just relax and watch Dakka CSI play out, but I believe Doghouse, who is Mr Truescale conversion, when he thinks it isn't a conversion.

Who?


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 Gamgee wrote:
Almost looks like it was taken with a flash in a darkish room based on the light in the background and on the table. That could make plastic look lighter easily. Then add in the artifact jpg compression. I see faint spots of green on the painted model. I don't think there is any green stuff anywhere.

You also think that Tau are going to be squatted.

Cripes, maybe dial down the toxicity slightly? (This isn't aimed at any one person but the general atmosphere of the thread.)

 Crimson wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

Just referencing the other thread that was locked where everyone was claiming the new marines would invalidate the entire range of existing space marines.

That discussion was about the nature of these new marines, based on Hastings' description "the new marines are to old marines like the Stormcast are to Empire soldiers" and the rumour of them somehow being created from Guilliman's blood (that part was not from Hastings, but from anonymous source, which however perfectly described this new model.)

If these new marines were indeed just not a new gear option for existing chapters, but were something fundamentally different, perhaps directly Guilliman aligned new faction of new-marines with Custodes like stats, then it indeed would devalue and sideline the old marines. But I hope this is not the case. Perhaps the fact that the Custodes are returning and probably will be the spearhead of Guillimans new crusade and that these new marine models exist accidentally got conflated into a rumour about übermarines?

Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

Like I said, I could have missed it but maybe that statement got misconstrued in the last thread?

Anyway, I'm sure he can confirm the model himself if someone asks him.

 Kanluwen wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

Probably because nobody knows they're still around. Or really cares, since they haven't had rules for three almost four editions now.

Oh just keep all blame on me about that sorry.

Was discussing the pic with a friend he said that model didn't exist and i swear i saw that model earlier so looked for it on the internet but never checked on GW webstore.


P.S: as Starfarer said just before me yep Hastings just did a fluff comparison between new marines vs old ones, not a model appearance. In fact most of his words about the Gathering storm knowledge seems to focus more on knowing how the story will develop and wich things will appear/change than just models.

I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Here's the original Hastings exchange, lifted from the Atia blog comments and reposted in a now locked thread, for reference.

75hastings69 wrote:
I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

Without trying to sound like a dick I've known for almost 9 months where this story was going and who revived RG etc. if the rest of what I was told is true (new marines, Mortarion and his plague armies etc.) then there are truly some very exciting times coming for 40k players/hobbyists!

Anon wrote:
New marines as in Imperial or Chaos?

75hastings69 wrote:
Imperial

*EDIT, there will of course be new Chaos Marines models, but I am referring to a totally new kind of Marine, those created on Mars by Cawl & RG along with the other new machineries of war.

See one of my original posts here....

Anon wrote:
I can well imagine some kind of Mk9 marine bred from custodes or grey knight genestock with some new goodness. Perhaps they'll even be true scale! Then we'll all have to buy all our marines all over again.

75hastings69 wrote:
New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Anon wrote:
SO Mark 9 power armour?

75hastings69 wrote:
Not only the armour will change

 Starfarer wrote:


Looking back on Hastings comments on Disqus, I don't see anywhere that he says that exactly. I may have missed it, but the onky thing I read was that he said the new marines would be the equivalent of stormcasts fighting alongside Empire. Seemed more of a fluff explanation that a model comparison.

These were the Hastings quotes I was referring to:

I wouldn't be expecting too much in the way of releases for existing chapters from this point going forwards, not that there won't be 'some', expect the focus to shift onto GW pumping out RGs new armies and weapons of destruction for the upcoming storylines/advances/crusade mk2 (who knows there might even be a new starter box on the not too far horizon )

New marines will make old marines seem like empire now seem to sigmarines ...... if that makes sense?

Not only the armour will change

These to me seem to imply a separate new faction of übermarines. I really hope that this will not be the case.

For your convinience, here's a close up (to the best of my abilities) of the centurion head that most closely resembles the one on the picture:


I really can't make any comparison with the blurry one, but someone may have better luck superimposing next to each other or whatever

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Conceptually, it's not a bad plan to refer to them as "the best of the best" of the marines.

That's kind of the whole schtick for the Deathwatch as it stands. I said elsewhere that this, IMO, seems like as big of a paradigm shift as when the Deathwatch get founded during the War of the Beast.

The reference to these new things being "stormcast to the empire" also strikes a similar chord there. Stormcast when compared to the Empire are closer to their deity and seem to be living avatars of Sigmar, while the Empire's state troops are just pale shadows of their former glory.

That's all just IMO though.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Colpicklejar wrote:
I actually like it. I was expecting something much crazier than this, but this seems fairly restrained.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

Conceptually, it's not a bad plan to refer to them as "the best of the best" of the marines.

That's kind of the whole schtick for the Deathwatch as it stands. I said elsewhere that this, IMO, seems like as big of a paradigm shift as when the Deathwatch get founded during the War of the Beast.

The reference to these new things being "stormcast to the empire" also strikes a similar chord there. Stormcast when compared to the Empire are closer to their deity and seem to be living avatars of Sigmar, while the Empire's state troops are just pale shadows of their former glory.

That's all just IMO though.

I've never like the idea of the deathwatch as the elite of the elite. I preferred them as the "odd" marines.

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

Why?

SeanDrake wrote:

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

Why?

Why go through the effort to conceal one thing, when the claim from the guy on 4chan was that this was taken from a "private event"? You'd think he would have made an effort to black out anything that could be potentially identifiable.

I wish they simply re-did the marine line instead of calling these "the best of the best" of the marines, though. I don't think anything will get me past the bad taste in my mouth of that.

I actually tought like this. At first I think like you " Well, why this bad fluff explanation when they can just use this new scales to re-do the marine range"
But then I think in how big the marine range is, how much time they will spend to re-do all the marine range in this new scale, and how people will have Big-Marines and Mini-Me-Marines runing in the same army in the meantime.

And now I totally understand why they explain them in the fluff as a totally separated army. Now I want them to remain a Elite force in small numbers. If they become more numerous that normal marines then the power-level of the setting will go up.

Normal humans are now chaff, but they at least can acomplish something. If this new Super-marines start a trend of Super-X to every faction... meh. I always tought the power level in 40k was exagerated but reasonable in its own universe.

If they go some steps up they will end like Dragon Ball, with Guilliman punching Abaddon in the space with marines in the surface of the planet looking them fight "Wow! They are so fast!" like Krillin and Yamncha.

Perhaps it isn't a back banner and something on the wall that would identify which GW studio painter had the private event at their painting desk? Private event doesn't need to be a whiz bang conference, it can also be a tour of the GW behind the scenes and the group on the field trip got to get a glimpse of what is next.

That's an incredibly bad image. Anyone got a better one yet?

Inquisitor called... They want their 54mm Marines back.

Where are the rest of the photos?

 CoreCommander wrote:
For your convinience, here's a close up (to the best of my abilities) of the centurion head that most closely resembles the one on the picture:

Spoiler:

I really can't make any comparison with the blurry one, but someone may have better luck superimposing next to each other or whatever

It looks so similar from that angle. The only differences I can spot or think I can is the nu-marine's ear muff thing has an indent in it and this one doesn't. The other I think I can see is that the nu-marine might not have the bolt. Other than that they appear identical to me. It's not outside the realm of possibility this is an amazing conversion here due to how identical they look. Nice evidence Commander.