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 Starfarer wrote:
I'm not seeing anything to indicate this is a conversion. Unless parts of this are sculpted with grey stuff to perfectly match the color of the plastic.

Except everything present isn't all the same color.
Feet are different color to the legs.
The bolt pistol is a shade common to FW's resin as well.

There is no SM backpack like that currently in the range, and it does not at all look converted.

Can you say that with 100% certainty?

Same with the feet on the marine. Nothing currently in the range looks anything like that. You would have to sculpt that if it was "fake". Just seems like a whole lot of effort for a hoax.

The feet don't match the legs in terms of color. The feet are the color common to resin and older plastic kits. You can also see on the leg itself where someone shaved it down to accommodate the feet(look for the tell-tale "rectangle" that is currently present on GW's Tactical Marine kits).

Surprisingly, this is far more restrained of a look than I was thinking it could be after Guilliman. This actually makes me look forward to these. Despite the fluff shakeup, these are great looking models, and I'll be getting some. If nothing else it takes the effort out of truescale converting for Inq28.

I could easily see these being a new subfaction like Deathwatch, and the scale is not so far off you could use existing weapons from the SM range to go full truescale for a normal SM army. I have to imagine this is GW'S way of increasing scale without invalidating anything. Also allows them to sell these to any SM player that wants bigger marines for their existing chapter.

I'm actually getting excited for this now.

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

He's standing next to an old metal Guard model. Specifically a Last Chancer whose name I can't remember, but who isn't a huge model to begin with.

 Crimson wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
I'm not sure about the breastplate but the left arm looks a lot like it came out of the Deathwatch kit. And the shoulder pad could have come from a 4e-vintage Marine kit it's so standard/generic, and the top of the backpack looks like the current Devastator kit to me.

Do you people actually do any comparisons before you make these claims? No, it is not DW arm, no it is not a Devastator backpack. Only recognisable part is the shoulder pad, but it makes sense they'd keep that similar, so that all the FW's shoulderpad conversion bits would remain compatible.

...Yes, I look at the model before I say "Hey, that looks like..."

The bit that's throwing me off is that the pip-boy bit on the Deathwatch vambraces is on the right arm, not the left arm, but with the blurriness and the angle that could easily have been cut and swapped over. As to the backpack neither of us can see enough of it to say whether it is or isn't for certain.

As for keeping the shoulderpad similar that's a consideration for the interior, not the surface. There's nothing about giving it a more ornate rim or sculpting an Ultarmarines icon on it that would preclude using the FW shoulder pads.

In all honesty the bit that has me most convinced this is a conversion is that the gun isn't on straight. That looks like someone took the back of a psycannon, messed with the ammo box a bit, and stuck a bolter-muzzle component out off a vehicle secondary weapon on the front, but the barrel doesn't quite line up with the rest of the gun and there's a bit of discolouration in the joint that looks like it could be greenstuff (though I can't say for sure with the blurriness).

It also has a huge, perfect strap on the gun. Looks sort of
hard to duplicate.

Ok. I can't be bothered to individually debunk every 'it is that bit' claim. But they're not. 'It is vaguely similar' is not enough, the devil is in the details. Of course there will be similarities to older kits, it is the same world, same tech and the same company. If this is a hoax, it is insanely complex one, probably involving a professional sculptor.

 Crimson wrote:

 n0t_u wrote:

If you look closely you can see the picture is degraded into "squares", not pixelated but grouping. I don't think you could get that without it being intentional.

That's perfectly normal JPG compression artefact. It is a low quality JPG picture.

Which is what I'm questioning.
Smaller but should be sharper as well.


Here's the original just resized to compare.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Has no-one else noticed the resemblance between this new dude's breastplate and Robot Guilleman's?
Sort of a neat cue if they're supposed to be enhanced by access to a Primarch and whatever Cawl was hiding in the Mystery Box…

Also, conversions using parts that don't exist are hard to do, so this really can't be a conversion; neither the legs, right arm, either gun, backpack, nor torso are from published GW kits.
They have strong resemblances to other kits, mostly Deathwatch, but no exact matches.
For example, the wrist-computer; similar to the Deathwatch one but on the wrong arm.

It turns out that it's possible to cut and rearrange bits of plastic components in addition to just swapping the plastic components. If I had access to my stuff right now (and weren't out of town) I'd try making that left arm or that gun to prove a point, I think I might have the parts to do it.

imho the model just looks like it's a proper assemble out of kit (means nothing really stands out as a conversion) specially the new rifle boltgun, seems to be a single plastic piece.

so either it's a real good done conversion (not a marine fan but i dig that weapon look) or just a *mock up* or testing model of how the marines will end.

Wich throws me off as being real it's the background models.. one half painted OOP last chancer model and 2 Orks with rags and guns seems more like the shelve of some random guy than the table of some guy working on design.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Has no-one else noticed the resemblance between this new dude's breastplate and Robot Guilleman's?
Sort of a neat cue if they're supposed to be enhanced by access to a Primarch and whatever Cawl was hiding in the Mystery Box…

Also, conversions using parts that don't exist are hard to do, so this really can't be a conversion; neither the legs, right arm, either gun, backpack, nor torso are from published GW kits.

The right arm is from the Devastator kit. The boltgun is converted.
The torso is from a Centurion kit, shaved down. I even identified the exact part number (6).
The bolt pistol is the one from the old Battle for Maccragge pilot model.

They have strong resemblances to other kits, mostly Deathwatch, but no exact matches.
For example, the wrist-computer; similar to the Deathwatch one but on the wrong arm.

What, you've never done an arm swap before?

Also if you look it's not sitting flush. It looks like someone cut whatever it was on then transposed it.

Crimson 720389 9246631 wrote:

Explain the fact that the boltgun is the one from the Devastator Sergeant, attached to the back of a bolt pistol with the revolver magazine from the Techpriest Dominus' Luminagen Pistol mashed on top of it?

The forearm holding the Bolt Pistol is the Clavis from a Deathwatch Watch Master

The pack looks to be from a Mark IV plastic.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

upload multiple pics

I took the time to make this for you. Side by side comparisons of the bits you mentioned, including a photoshopped boltgun with the bits you mentioned. Now I want to mention some things about this.

2 - Head - The mohawk is rounded and more definition on face. The ear lobe parts are smaller and more detailed.

3 - Clavis - Missing embelishments on side. You can clearly see on the Nu-marine that it doesn't surround the forearm like the Clavis does.

4 - The boltgun. The barrel is longer, the body is longer with more additions, more detail. If you look closely at the top, all of the parts, the rail and sights, are larger on the numarine.

5 - The revolver part from Admech. On the nu-marine, the oval parts around clearly stick out. On the admech part, the ovals are indented.

Bolter . The trap on the bolter is also clearly attached to the hand and barrel, while the devastator bolter has a part missing at the end where it attaches to the wrist.

Sorry lad, looks like I just proved you completely wrong. What do you have next for me?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

Yeah, he's about the same size as the new DW and TS, a tiny bit larger at most. Somewhat bulkier though.

That really calls into question the whole improved übermarine thing. Based on this picture I'd expect this to be a perfectly ordinary marine with some new gear.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
It also has a huge, perfect strap on the gun. Looks sort of
hard to duplicate.

There's three different arms from the Space Marine range, at least, with that bit. The Devastator kit alone comes with two(one standard Boltgun and one Combi where you slot the combi weapon on top)
I used the 'basic' Devastator boltgun, with the barrel removed and replaced with the barrel from a Space Marine Scout Sniper Rifle to make this:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Kinda strange how he's sitting next to a random half-painted Last Chancer...

RyanAvx wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


Explain the fact that the boltgun is the one from the Devastator Sergeant, attached to the back of a bolt pistol with the revolver magazine from the Techpriest Dominus' Luminagen Pistol mashed on top of it?

The forearm holding the Bolt Pistol is the Clavis from a Deathwatch Watch Master

The pack looks to be from a Mark IV plastic.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

upload multiple pics

I took the time to make this for you. Side by side comparisons of the bits you mentioned, including a photoshopped boltgun with the bits you mentioned. Now I want to mention some things about this.

2 - Head - The mohawk is rounded and more definition on face. The ear lobe parts are smaller and more detailed.

3 - Clavis - Missing embelishments on side. You can clearly see on the Nu-marine that it doesn't surround the forearm like the Clavis does.

4 - The boltgun. The barrel is longer, the body is longer with more additions, more detail. If you look closely at the top, all of the parts, the rail and sights, are larger on the numarine.

5 - The revolver part from Admech. On the nu-marine, the oval parts around clearly stick out. On the admech part, the ovals are indented.

Bolter . The trap on the bolter is also clearly attached to the hand and barrel, while the devastator bolter has a part missing at the end where it attaches to the wrist.

Sorry lad, looks like I just proved you completely wrong. What do you have next for me?

I didn't say anything about the head, "lad". I said the chest.

Believe whatever you want, chump. I'm calling it a conversion. The fact that there's ONE bit blacked out and only one bit calls the whole thing into question.

I like how you're insulting me and have no real input after your arguments were proven invalid :>

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
I'm not seeing anything to indicate this is a conversion. Unless parts of this are sculpted with grey stuff to perfectly match the color of the plastic.

Except everything present isn't all the same color.
Feet are different color to the legs.
The bolt pistol is a shade common to FW's resin as well.

There is no SM backpack like that currently in the range, and it does not at all look converted.

Can you say that with 100% certainty?

Same with the feet on the marine. Nothing currently in the range looks anything like that. You would have to sculpt that if it was "fake". Just seems like a whole lot of effort for a hoax.

The feet don't match the legs in terms of color. The feet are the color common to resin and older plastic kits. You can also see on the leg itself where someone shaved it down to accommodate the feet(look for the tell-tale "rectangle" that is currently present on GW's Tactical Marine kits).

Surprisingly, this is far more restrained of a look than I was thinking it could be after Guilliman. This actually makes me look forward to these. Despite the fluff shakeup, these are great looking models, and I'll be getting some. If nothing else it takes the effort out of truescale converting for Inq28.

I could easily see these being a new subfaction like Deathwatch, and the scale is not so far off you could use existing weapons from the SM range to go full truescale for a normal SM army. I have to imagine this is GW'S way of increasing scale without invalidating anything. Also allows them to sell these to any SM player that wants bigger marines for their existing chapter.

I'm actually getting excited for this now.

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

He's standing next to an old metal Guard model. Specifically a Last Chancer whose name I can't remember, but who isn't a huge model to begin with.

You are aware how light works, yes? Try photographing a bare plastic model under a light source and tell me if the raised parts catch more light and look like than parts in the recesses. If this is sculpted, by hand no less if it were fake, GW should hire this person immediately.

I'm not seeing anything shaved down on the legs. And what legs are these coming from if it's an existing kit? They aren't terminator legs and they are deathwatch. What about the torso? Someone happen to match the style exactly to Guilliman on this? They've had what, a month, of seeing Guilliman to fake this then? That's impressively quick work. Especially considering every bit is different from existing GW kits, meaning every piece was slightly altered by sculpting, OR its a legit new model. That's a lot of finely detailed sculpting work, which they've had little time to create based on the Guilliman torso similarity, just for a hoax?

The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

These are a correct size for "truescale" in my opinion. The ones based on terminators are cartoonishy big. These are bigger, but not out of place with existing marine kits. Like I said, this means GW can increase scale but it doesn't invalidate stuff people al ready own. It's a good move.

 Starfarer wrote:
...You are aware how light works, yes? Try photographing a bare plastic model under a light source and tell me if the raised parts catch more light and look like than parts in the recesses...

So why are the highlights on the legs a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Take a picture of a solid plastic model that looks like that and post it if you're so sure it's the light.

...What about the torso? Someone happen to match the style exactly to Guilliman on this? They've had what, a month, of seeing Guilliman to fake this then? That's impressively quick work...

Ordinary Mk.VII torso, cut down on the sides to create the impression of a flat Mk.III-style central plate, collar redone quickly. Maybe an hour's work. (I'm guessing, I can't say for certain whether this was what was actually done). Also I'm not sure why everyone's stuck on the style matching Guilliman, it looks nothing like him.

DarkStarSabre wrote:
We're seeing a blurry photo of something on a beat up wooden desk with other random minis next to it that literally look like some random person's collection.

About on par with 'leaks' from GW these days, isn't it?

Kanluwen wrote:
Fine. Let's say that the green stuff(just happening to be visible in multiple different spots where it's obvious something has been smoothed out with green stuff...

I've eaten more green stuff than hot dinners. I don't see any here.

Call it whatever you want, I'm calling bull.

I don't see any brown stuff either.

Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

The true discussion.

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Why are people calling that last chancer OOP? I could order one right now.

Probably because nobody knows they're still around. Or really cares, since they haven't had rules for three almost four editions now.

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Do you really think he's that much bigger?

Yeah, he's about the same size as the new DW and TS, a tiny bit larger at most. Somewhat bulkier though.

That really calls into question the whole improved übermarine thing. Based on this picture I'd expect this to be a perfectly ordinary marine with some new gear.

Keep in mind, the rumors about uber marines only specifically said they were a new armor mark and somewhat bigger. Thats what this is. Everything else was about the fluff, and that is always "bigger" than what you get on the tabletop. So yeah, these are uber marines with Guilliman genes and are super badass in the books. But GW isn't going to put out 10 foot marines that dwarf a huge range of existing kits that outsell everything else in the range.

Everything else was fan conjecture, and if you look at the actual quotes from Hastings, this seems to match. Speaking of which, we could solve this pretty quick if we can get him to confirm or debunk this pic.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Some people are addicted to bad posting.

Should I get the thread locked until the next wave of leaks? GW will apparently be showing stuff at a show in the next couple of weeks.

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

Starfarer wrote:The doomsayers were SURE the new marines would be Stormcast size in scale. These aren't that. So yeah, I'm happy these are more restrained and closer to what GW would release that what the career GW haters would have everyone believe so they have something to complain about.

M'kay then.

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

 Starfarer wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Except everything present isn't all the same color.

I'ts called light.

So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

Because the feet stick out further and reflect more light.

Then duplicate it.

If it's so easy to do, show us.


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 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Assuming that it's actually true.

I'm in 3 or 4 different groups where this has been posted, none have taken it down.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

No, I mean the way the diffiuseness of the reflection is different from the feet to the legs/shoulders (which suggests a different material to me) and the way the feet are lighter grey under the shadow of the greave than the shoulder pad is at the highlight.

Seriously. Anybody who's trying to tell me the feet look different because of the light, go find a Space Marine and take me a picture that looks like that.

 Vermis wrote:

AnomanderRake wrote:So why are the highlights on the knees a different colour from the highlights on the feet?

You mean the way one has white highlights and the other has white highlights?

He means the way that the legs appear to be dark grey(the color of most plastic kits) while the feet themselves to be a light grey/white...y'know, resiny colored.

 Crimson wrote:

Ben2 wrote:

GW have also been asking some people to take the pic down from Facebook groups, so it may get modded fairly soon.

Which itself is another proof that this is legit.

Or proof that it's bulls*** and they don't want people thinking someone's conversion is theirs. Not proof of anything, in other words.