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- Lorek

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Calling you names? Where exactly have I called you a name?!!!

Hyperbole, sorry.

I get a bit touchy when people tell me I'm wrong because their argument is 'self-evident'.

Well, maybe stop getting so defensive and prove your argument. We're not hunting Bigfoot, if the Marine is indeed made of existing parts, then those parts, in whole or in part, will exist in Google images.

If there are new marines coming, there is a fairly good chance that they will show them off at the adepticon event . If this is a real leak with just ten days till their event they may as well wait and make a joke about it then if necessary. The speculation in the meantime will only drive up interest in the event which will serve them well.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Calling you names? Where exactly have I called you a name?!!!

Hyperbole, sorry.

I get a bit touchy when people tell me I'm wrong because their argument is 'self-evident'.

Well, maybe stop getting so defensive and prove your argument. We're not hunting Bigfoot, if the Marine is indeed made of existing parts, then those parts, in whole or in part, will exist in Google images.

You may have missed the part where I've been saying I'm a four-hour train ride from my workspace and I'll post my duplicate of this conversion on Thursday (if it isn't debunked or confirmed by then). Weather permitting, the four-hour train ride is through New York State and we're supposed to see two feet of snow on Tuesday.

(Also parts permitting. I know I can duplicate the gun pretty easily and I think I can do the breastplate, but I don't have any Devastator parts lying around so I may not be able to do the head/backpack and I don't think I have any spare Mk.7-8 legs.)

But you're online? The images that show all the parts that you intend to use are there too.

Besides, actually making a conversion that looks like the picture won't actually prove anything other than it is possible to duplicate the picture with enough parts. Given that GW use a unified language across all their kits, that actually shouldn't be too hard.

If a genuine image of a new tank leaks, and I manage to recreate it in plasticard, does that mean that the leak is somehow false? Or am I just a talented scratchbuilder who can recreate an image?

(Also parts permitting. I know I can duplicate the gun pretty easily and I think I can do the breastplate, but I don't have any Devastator parts lying around so I may not be able to do the head/backpack and I don't think I have any spare Mk.7-8 legs.)

Which renders the whole thing even less relevant. Honestly, don't waste your time or bits, time will tell.

This thread has been amusing to watch. Not even joking it's literally turned into the nerdiest group of hunters in existence. Hunting those digital trays for elusive signs of the pieces used in this conversion big marine. A mythological miniature that has cryto-minatureologists searching for dozens of hours. Fatigue is setting in from fingers and eye strain. These dedicated hunters put their personal safety on the line searching through hundreds of pictures before taking a break to get a drink.

We must all wish them the best of luck.

 Azreal13 wrote:
But you're online? The images that show all the parts that you intend to use are there too.

Besides, actually making a conversion that looks like the picture won't actually prove anything other than it is possible to duplicate the picture with enough parts. Given that GW use a unified language across all their kits, that actually shouldn't be too hard.

If a genuine image of a new tank leaks, and I manage to recreate it in plasticard, does that mean that the leak is somehow false? Or am I just a talented scratchbuilder who can recreate an image?

(Also parts permitting. I know I can duplicate the gun pretty easily and I think I can do the breastplate, but I don't have any Devastator parts lying around so I may not be able to do the head/backpack and I don't think I have any spare Mk.7-8 legs.)

Which renders the whole thing even less relevant. Honestly, don't waste your time or bits, time will tell.

It turns out that my laptop is a lot more portable than my 40k collection. It also turns out that the fine people of New York and New England have designed their infrastructure so that power is not usually interrupted by blizzards.

The reason I'm saying 'maybe I should make a conversion that looks like that' is that all the arguments I've been getting for why that is actually a new official Marine and not a conversion someone made revolve around the difficulty of building that model from existing parts. If that takes two hours of work and mostly official parts (with a bit of grey putty) to make the 'hoax' argument is a lot more plausible than if it takes thirty hours of work and large parts need to be sculpted from scratch.

This is definitely our sasquatch

Carlovonsexron wrote:
This is definitely our sasquatch

I thought that was Daemon Prince Mortarion. Large, smelly, and only appearing in blurry photos from a distance.

 Gamgee wrote:
This thread has been amusing to watch. Not even joking it's literally turned into the nerdiest group of hunters in existence. Hunting those digital trays for elusive signs of the pieces used in this conversion big marine. A mythological miniature that has cryto-minatureologists searching for dozens of hours. Fatigue is setting in from fingers and eye strain. These dedicated hunters put their personal safety on the line searching through hundreds of pictures before taking a break to get a drink.

We must all wish them the best of luck.

It's crypto...

Joyboozer wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
This thread has been amusing to watch. Not even joking it's literally turned into the nerdiest group of hunters in existence. Hunting those digital trays for elusive signs of the pieces used in this conversion big marine. A mythological miniature that has cryto-minatureologists searching for dozens of hours. Fatigue is setting in from fingers and eye strain. These dedicated hunters put their personal safety on the line searching through hundreds of pictures before taking a break to get a drink.

We must all wish them the best of luck.

It's crypto...

I haven't had to search online for dozens of hours. Though I will admit to checking the Emperor's Children range, somehow that breastplate put me in mind of them (no luck, the Palatine Blades have normal Mk.4 collars, the regular upgrade sprue goes for the single wing/talon instead of the full eagle, and Eidolon's armour is way too fancy).

 AnomanderRake wrote:

Carlovonsexron wrote:
This is definitely our sasquatch

I thought that was Daemon Prince Mortarion. Large, smelly, and only appearing in blurry photos from a distance.

Mortarion is pretty much guaranteed to be coming, the only question is if the model is real or not.

This one feels more at stake not just because of the model- which looks really good- but because of all the potentially disagreeable fluff that goes along side it.

Hows about locking this train wreck before someone gets hurt? Just a suggestion.

 Grot 6 wrote:
Hows about locking this train wreck before someone gets hurt? Just a suggestion.

Given my terrible knife-safety practices I suspect that's more likely than you knew when making this post.

At this point I'd love to see all the "suggestions" be photoshopped together to get an amalgam of #TeamFake's idea of this marine.

We'd have a centurion head, MkVII torso, devastator right arm, devastator backpack, deathwatch right arm for his left arm, stormcast legs(completely unconverted at that), Battle For Macragge guy's pistol, and like 5 parts to make a boltgun.

Please someone create this Frankenstein's monster so we can have a side by side.

Is the data pad arm from the Master of signals? If it's not from The deathwatch kits.

So let's get into this.
The case for: It is a nice looking model that seems to be made from bespoke parts not found in the space marine range.
It has appeared on the back of rumours from reliable sources that new marines are coming.
The case against. Why is the photo taken next to a last chancer of all things. It looks like it is standing on a dresser. If this was a private official event why not have it next to a more contemporary model? As nicely as it is put together it is a little unremarkable. There is not much of a differentiator from the old marines.
People are talented. If GW can design a good looking marine, why can't someone else? (The fake Nintendo switch is a good example)
The space marine range is huge and there are many companies that make knock off parts for it.
Personally I am inclined to join team real, but I am starting to think it may have been stolen. How else do you explain it being next to some random dudes collection?
They are packing up a bunch of stuffed to be shipped to adepticon, what better time for someone to grab something?

Chikout wrote:
The case against. Why is the photo taken next to a last chancer of all things. It looks like it is standing on a dresser. If this was a private official event why not have it next to a more contemporary model?

Actually official public event is more likely IMO to have next to contemporary model. Ie the ones GW is trying to push to be bought. Random worker doing private event has more likely to have random old models because he likes them.

Real or not, this is not quite true scale enough for my interest. I wouldn't buy a box of these. It's very close, but only next to an older, smaller model. It's not that much bigger than a deathwatch guy. I like the idea of marines being truly large and like the idea of marines getting closer to what they were in the fiction, but this model isn't quite there for me.

 frozenwastes wrote:
Real or not, this is not quite true scale enough for my interest. I wouldn't buy a box of these. It's very close, but only next to an older, smaller model. It's not that much bigger than a deathwatch guy. I like the idea of marines being truly large and like the idea of marines getting closer to what they were in the fiction, but this model isn't quite there for me.

Marines have never had an established universal size in the fiction. Just seemingly as much variation on size as humans.

 n0t_u wrote:
After enhancing the image on page 2 and looking at it more, I've moved from the "it's a fake" team to the "I'm just going to sit on the fence and watch this play out" team.

I'm on Team "I hope it's new units for all marines, not a new faction entirely"

So here is my thought process.

The two peaices that stand out the most to me is the crazy extended Bolt Gun, and the Legs.

That bolt gun to be seems like a 100% new bit. I don't see any cut lines or marks from someone extending a existing bolter that give it away as a conversion. It looks nothing like a Grey-knight psycannon cut up, and the fore-grip on the gun is extended/longer then any bolt guns in the range.

The legs also do not match any in the Devastator and Kill team boxes.


If someone can link me to the bit or bits they think these could of been converted from, I will be willing to change my mind. But none of the bits people have sujested look right or look converted in the way they claimed. I realy don't see how this can be anything but a new mini.


Edit:
Hastings said that he's not sure about this being the new Uber Marines he was told about. It dosen't match the description he was given.
https://disqus.com/by/75hastings69/

I don't think this is genuine, doesn't seem to fit the description I got, looks like a (pretty good) conversion to me. Lower legs seem to be a different colour than rest of body and feet for some reason?

So not sure were that leaves this guy.

 Lockark wrote:
So here is my thought process.

The two peaices that stand out the most to me is the crazy extended Bolt Gun, and the Legs.

That bolt gun to be seems like a 100% new bit. I don't see any cut lines or marks from someone extending a existing bolter that give it away as a conversion.

The legs also do not match any in the Devastator and Kill team boxes.


If someone can link me to the bit or bits they think these could of been converted from, I will be willing to change my mind. But I realy don't see how this can be anything but a new mini


Edit:
Hastings said that he's not sure about this being the Uber Marines he was told about. It dosen't match the description he was given.
https://disqus.com/by/75hastings69/

I don't think this is genuine, doesn't seem to fit the description I got, looks like a (pretty good) conversion to me. Lower legs seem to be a different colour than rest of body and feet for some reason?

This wild ride is getting a whole lot bumpier! First we have a reliable person with credible sources telling us 'it's the same armour type for the new marines but not the same miniature I saw', then we have another one saying 'Nah it seems a little different'. I'm still calling legit. After going through all the images and bits it's nigh on impossible to combine them as seamlessly as this miniature is.

Just a heads up to the lad who posted above as well. The piece on his arm. It's not a Watch Master Clavis (check my post earlier to see why) and it's not a Deathwatch Marine right arm cut off and repositioned, in fact it looks nothing like the computer console used on those dudes. I'd be willing to do another side by side on that if you still don't believe me.

My knowledge of the minutiae of the Space Marine range is somewhat dated, but having seen a conversion or two in my time, that model screams 'conversion' to me.

The shins (and possibly the gorget) look like Procreate, the hands appear to be different sizes, and the extended bolter doesn't look quite straight.

It might be legit, but my money's on good conversion based on the leaked description.

 RyanAvx wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
So here is my thought process.

The two peaices that stand out the most to me is the crazy extended Bolt Gun, and the Legs.

That bolt gun to be seems like a 100% new bit. I don't see any cut lines or marks from someone extending a existing bolter that give it away as a conversion.

The legs also do not match any in the Devastator and Kill team boxes.


If someone can link me to the bit or bits they think these could of been converted from, I will be willing to change my mind. But I realy don't see how this can be anything but a new mini


Edit:
Hastings said that he's not sure about this being the Uber Marines he was told about. It dosen't match the description he was given.
https://disqus.com/by/75hastings69/

I don't think this is genuine, doesn't seem to fit the description I got, looks like a (pretty good) conversion to me. Lower legs seem to be a different colour than rest of body and feet for some reason?

This wild ride is getting a whole lot bumpier! First we have a reliable person with credible sources telling us 'it's the same armour type for the new marines but not the same miniature I saw', then we have another one saying 'Nah it seems a little different'. I'm still calling legit. After going through all the images and bits it's nigh on impossible to combine them as seamlessly as this miniature is.

Just a heads up to the lad who posted above as well. The piece on his arm. It's not a Watch Master Clavis (check my post earlier to see why) and it's not a Deathwatch Marine right arm cut off and repositioned, in fact it looks nothing like the computer console used on those dudes. I'd be willing to do another side by side on that if you still don't believe me.

I want to point out that GW sculpts with CAD now, and have stated in the white dwarf that when working on a range they use components from a factions "CAD library" to work from.

Crawel for example has parts drawn from the mechanics range modified and re positioned in CAD to make his model. They talked about this in the youtube interview they did of how they designed him. Because of this new way they sculpt, it makes sence to see existing elements reused. The pip boy from death watch flipped on the arms would make alot of sence.

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 insaniak wrote:
My knowledge of the minutiae of the Space Marine range is somewhat dated, but having seen a conversion or two in my time, that model screams 'conversion' to me.

The shins (and possibly the gorget) look like Procreate, the hands appear to be different sizes, and the extended bolter doesn't look quite straight.

It might be legit, but my money's on good conversion based on the leaked description.

I think the gun not looking straight is due to the bad image compression going on. It looks like their is something on the other side of the gun peeking over the top. The Rifle Sling Perfectly fitting the extended gun is a detail that stands out to me also. Also I haven't seen any theories on what that crazy looking pistol is from.

 Quarterdime wrote:
I just wish they'd make all marines truescale. I'm sure there's a creative way to make it work.

Yeah there probably is, GW are likely to use handwavium and there spirtual liege though.

 Quarterdime wrote:
I just wish they'd make all marines truescale. I'm sure there's a creative way to make it work.

Space Marines are already in scale. Its certain other human models (Cadians being the most notable offenders) that are out of whack. If this image turns out to be a conversion, the proof is right there next to him. Demolition Man is in scale with a SM.

Try it next time you see someone with some Death Korps or something. You'll be surprised how big the SMs are.

Ruin wrote:

 Quarterdime wrote:
I just wish they'd make all marines truescale. I'm sure there's a creative way to make it work.

Space Marines are already in scale. Its certain other human models (Cadians being the most notable offenders) that are out of whack. If this image turns out to be a conversion, the proof is right there next to him. Demolition Man is in scale with a SM.

Try it next time you see someone with some Death Korps or something. You'll be surprised how big the SMs are.

Are you sure about that?

 AveImperator wrote:

Are you sure about that?

Thank you for this. I don't understand the desire to defend the current range of Space Marines. The scale is such a glaring problem, and every new set only digs the hole deeper. I'm all for any re-imaging that gives me a new range of properly proportioned minis.

Personally I'm hoping this is just a conversion. I won't be chuffed if they suddenly go and make all existing marines look too small. Surely they can't risk invalidating so much of their (and forgeworlds) existing range? And if they are supposed to be ubermarines they just don't look different enough.