Putting aside the actual gameplay factor and looking at fluff only, do you like or dislike the new necron fluff.


Granted i have not actually read it first hand but i do like how they aren't just emotionless killing machines. I like how they have personalities yet are still enslaved by the Ctan

Its not bad really. I've read it like five times since I've nothing else to do..

I don't mind it as you can still have some acting as before - but it is now Tomb Kings (no Queens) in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace - wish they had done a SF Khalida model

I prefered the C'tan as ongoing threats rather than being defeated

I dislike it a lot.

Assuming that the Necrontyr even had recognizable females I doubt that you would be able to tell once their flesh was liquefied and their consciousness transferred into a robotic skeleton. Lord or not.

That said, the new Necron fluff is fine. I have slowly warmed up to it over time.

You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Newcron fluff, while suffering from a tendency to get a little too over the top at times, succeeds in making the Necrons into something other than metal Tyranids. I'm not sure if a direct Tomb Kings in space expy was the best way to go, but considering the other fluff crimes Matt Ward has committed, the Newcrons are actually pretty good.

 Sigvatr wrote:
You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Newcron, which is vastly superior, and at least has some sort of originality even if it's Tomb Kings in space...

Or 'TruCron', aka metal tyranids who are even less interesting then they are.

 Androxine Vortex wrote:
Putting aside the actual gameplay factor and looking at fluff only, do you like or dislike the new necron fluff.


Granted i have not actually read it first hand but i do like how they aren't just emotionless killing machines. I like how they have personalities yet are still enslaved by the Ctan

You should really read it first-hand, because they aren't enslaved by the C'Tan. Quite the opposite, actually, as they destroyed the C'Tan and, in some cases, enslaved the sharded remains of their former masters.


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 Sigvatr wrote:
You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

... or you're a change-adverse neckbeard who can't get over the fact that OldCrons were metal Tyranids.

I like the NewCrons. Added character and personality to the army. 40k only needs one mindless race bent on destroying the galaxy.

I like NewCrons more than Oldcrons but I have gripes with both. Really it comes down with NewCrons to more being a gripe that they are simply too overpowered in a world of overpower. Best tech, numerous thousands of hordes, star destroying weapons, best ships, immortal to no end. That said, I think it is improved despite losing that lovecraftian sense. They aren't terminators in space anymore and all that. Then again, I think I like the bland tomb in space more than metal tyranids with super brilliant gods of the real world that are the reason for everything.

Newcrons are bad, and oldcrons are better. Only unintelligent people who don't bathe like the former, and this is an objective fact.

Is it wrong if I still think the Void Dragon is a complete C'tan though?

Of course I'm a complete C'tan.

There should be two underscores in my name though.

While I like the idea behind the Necrons, I think Matt Ward did a horrible job writing the fluff. The codex was painful to read.

I really prefer the current Necrons, I find them much more interesting, they went from one of my least favourite factions to one of the best.

squidhills wrote:
Newcron fluff, while suffering from a tendency to get a little too over the top at times, succeeds in making the Necrons into something other than metal Tyranids. I'm not sure if a direct Tomb Kings in space expy was the best way to go, but considering the other fluff crimes Matt Ward has committed, the Newcrons are actually pretty good.

Pretty much this for me, too.

I do like their fluff changes, it gives them more options story wise.


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I do like their fluff changes, it gives them more options story wise.

the old fluff as I understand it, (I've not had the oppertunity to actually read it) made necrons unique among all races in that they didn't have a whole lot of room for differnt characterization. the new codex fluff gives that greater ability to make your models etc a little more unique.
with the new fluff if you WANT to do up your necrons in pink wearing baby bonnets it's possiable to explain. this "potential for customization" is IMHO important to build into your fluff for an army in a game like 40k.

Which is why it should be possible to make child-molesting Slaaneshi Grey Knights in the fluff. Hope the next codex allows this.

Mr Morden wrote:I don't mind it as you can still have some acting as before - but it is now Tomb Kings (no Queens) in Spaaaaaaaaaaaaace - wish they had done a SF Khalida model

I prefered the C'tan as ongoing threats rather than being defeated

Actually, there is a Tomb Queen in Imperial Armour 12. She's an insane, oldcron-style annihilist, but she's there.

Sigvatr wrote:You're either NewCron, who likes fluff written by a 13 year old stuck in the body of a middle-aged man...

...or you're TruCron, knowing that the actual Necron fluff can be found in the old Codex: Necrons.

Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

Do you actually believe this?

Oldcrons 4 lyfe. And after passing WBB.

Hacking the Webway would certainly help when they defeated the Old Ones. (who didn't seem to do anything of note but get beaten)

Mellow wrote:
Hacking the Webway would certainly help when they defeated the Old Ones. (who didn't seem to do anything of note but get beaten)

How about creating the Orks?

 Furyou Miko wrote:


Or you're an intelligent person capable of independent thought (or at least possess a younger sibling with those traits) and realise that the only differences is that the Necrons can now hack into the webway (but don't need to for FTL) and that the C'tan got screwed instead of doing the screwing.

And you're still a poseur hipster.

Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Dakka is big enough for both those who like OldCrons and those who like NewCrons. So please refrain from name-calling over this issue ... or any other, for that matter, given Rule Number One is Be Polite.

As for me, I prefer NewCrons. I like characters in my fluff. The OldCrons only had the C'tan for characters and they were too inherently mysterious/unknowable to really function as characters.

newcrons,

why? you still have oldCrons, but with so much more personality in most of them.

Want a faction expanding its empire? you have that.

want one that are the cliche and un inspiring terminators in space? you can have that as well.

I would rather have the character than just be mindless terminators to a man.

(I mean, isn't there one necron lord that collects stuff and or people? I mean, IIRC he has whole skirmishes frozen in time for him to look at)

 Sigvatr wrote:


Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Sugar, I've been a Necron player since 1998. I've read oldcron fluff you've probably never even heard of. I've read all of it. Everything from the snippets dribbled out in White Dwarf, the original introduction in WD216, both codices, Faith and Fire, Fall of Orpheus. All of it. Back to front.

Get off your high horse. You're wrong, and you're wrong for the sake of sounding trendy and cool. As for reasoned discussion, I already tried that in a thread a few weeks ago and you refused to listen then, instead clinging to your desire to talk about how awful the new stuff is without really even beginning to comprehend it. So no, I won't "go and read up on it". I know far more than you do.

The awakening of the personality-laden Necron overlords was being prepared and laid down since the third edition Eldar codex release.

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Sugar, I've been a Necron player since 1998. I've read oldcron fluff you've probably never even heard of. I've read all of it. Everything from the snippets dribbled out in White Dwarf, the original introduction in WD216, both codices, Faith and Fire, Fall of Orpheus. All of it. Back to front.

Get off your high horse. You're wrong, and you're wrong for the sake of sounding trendy and cool. As for reasoned discussion, I already tried that in a thread a few weeks ago and you refused to listen then, instead clinging to your desire to talk about how awful the new stuff is without really even beginning to comprehend it. So no, I won't "go and read up on it". I know far more than you do.

The awakening of the personality-laden Necron overlords was being prepared and laid down since the third edition Eldar codex release.

Interesting, "sugar" - instead of admitting your mistake and reading up on the TruCron fluff, which would be the correct thing to do here, you go full ad hominem and try to play the age card. The maturity you put on display here is surely breathtaking, dear gentleman.

And just to point out: reading something is one thing. Understanding what you read is a different part. Comparing two different pieces of written text is another issue. I cannot attest on the former, but you definitely faild on the latter. Feel free to refresh your memory, information on both TruCrons and NewCrons are all over the internet, 40k wiki is a great place to quickly re-read stuff you might have forgotten.

Let me remind you:

 Manchu wrote:
Dakka is big enough for both those who like OldCrons and those who like NewCrons. So please refrain from name-calling over this issue ... or any other, for that matter, given Rule Number One is Be Polite.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


Hey, if you decide to like fluff written for 13 year olds by a 13 year old (stuck in the body of a middle-aged man), that's totally fine with me - your language, however, isn't :( Typical for NewCrons? Maybe.

If you want to take part in a fluff discussion, however, I would greatly appreciate if you would read up on both NewCron and TruCron fluff. Your comment on the aforementioned charges being the only changes suggests that you did not do so yet.

Sugar, I've been a Necron player since 1998. I've read oldcron fluff you've probably never even heard of. I've read all of it. Everything from the snippets dribbled out in White Dwarf, the original introduction in WD216, both codices, Faith and Fire, Fall of Orpheus. All of it. Back to front.

Get off your high horse. You're wrong, and you're wrong for the sake of sounding trendy and cool. As for reasoned discussion, I already tried that in a thread a few weeks ago and you refused to listen then, instead clinging to your desire to talk about how awful the new stuff is without really even beginning to comprehend it. So no, I won't "go and read up on it". I know far more than you do.

The awakening of the personality-laden Necron overlords was being prepared and laid down since the third edition Eldar codex release.

Interesting, "sugar" - instead of admitting your mistake and reading up on the TruCron fluff, which would be the correct thing to do here, you go full ad hominem and try to play the age card. Mature!

I didn't know fluff debates could get this heated. Thanks for the entertainment, guys!

 Random Dude wrote:


I didn't know fluff debates could get this heated. Thanks for the entertainment, guys!

2011 was a sad year as it split the Necron player community in two parts:

- TruCrons who are disgusted by the lies of the Imperium of Man, making up stories to calm their crying children, fearing the C'tan and their minions and

- NewCrons who prefer cuddly lies, like shiny stuff and prefer ridiculously overblown Ward Fluff (tm) with loopholes big enough to drive a Megalith through.

2011 - never forget.

One: I'm a woman.

Two: You fail at reading.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
One: I'm a woman.

Two: You fail at reading.

Is this aimed at me?

 Random Dude wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
One: I'm a woman.

Two: You fail at reading.

Is this aimed at me?

Nah man, they're just having a measuring contest between their "Doomscythes", if you catch my drift

No more you two, just walk away from the thread before you have your hands slapped away from the keyboard.

 Sigvatr wrote:
40k wiki is a great place to quickly re-read stuff you might have forgotten.

Nothing to do with the Oldcron/Newcron fluff, but getting information from the 40K wiki is the worst thing anyone can do. I have seen so many blatant falsehoods posted as fact there that nobody should rely on it as a source of information. Lexicanium is the more accurate online encyclopedia for us plastic dudemen nerds to utilize.

This has been a public service announcement.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 Random Dude wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
One: I'm a woman.

Two: You fail at reading.

Is this aimed at me?

Nah man, they're just having a measuring contest between their "Doomscythes", if you catch my drift

Pretty sure you meant Doomsday Arks as they are more phallic. Still...I raise my glass, good sir.

NO-crons. Least interesting faction for me.

I like Newcron fluff , Newcrons who can think for themselves ,

-- with oldcron figures

While I think I'm more of a fan of the invulnerable, inumerable space terminators from planet X that the Oldcrons were, I have to say, FW"s Orpheus book was god damn amazing.

Also, the Wikia for 40k is better than Lexicanum I've found, but there's little substitute for reading the actual codex's and novels.

Though I'm a fan of the doom and gloom of the oldcron codex, I like the newcron codex more. I feel there's more potential.

I think the new C'tan are incredibly tragic. The idea that the Necrons murdered, not only most life in the galaxy, but there own gods as well is a very depressing one.

Also, the sharing of the webway with the Eldar helps reinforce an Eldar vs Necrons story line. The idea of this ancient war between these two incredibly old races is an intriguing one.

At face value the newcron codex looks like garbage, but there are a few jewels hidden in there.

 Mr Nobody wrote:


At face value the newcron codex looks like garbage, but there are a few jewels hidden in there.

The best part are the Necron gardeners who can destroy an entire solar system just because.

Matt Ward at his best!

Seriously, I envy that guy. He is absolute trash at his job and still did not get fired. Amazing.

Frankenberry wrote:
Also, the Wikia for 40k is better than Lexicanum I've found, but there's little substitute for reading the actual codex's and novels.

What?

The 40K Wiki reports fan-fiction as fact.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Mr Nobody wrote:


At face value the newcron codex looks like garbage, but there are a few jewels hidden in there.

The best part are the Necron gardeners who can destroy an entire solar system just because.

Matt Ward at his best!

Seriously, I envy that guy. He is absolute trash at his job and still did not get fired. Amazing.

Right now, that's pretty much par for the course with GW.

I preferred when the was more mystery to the Necrons. There were hints at things to come, and a lack of true understanding from any other race in the galaxy. That, and it was just more grim. They were very definitely the bad guys in a world of grey - all we did know was that they were out for blood.

Now we have robot Eldar, TKs in Spaaaaaaaace - which jives for some people. A fair majority of people as this thread shows. I get that, and fair enough to ya. I just preferred the older fluff on a personal level. They Tyrranids never felt like a race as such in the traditional sense to me. I've seen people refer to them as a setting before, which makes sense. A Tyrranid invasion is something that happens, rather than there being any real purpose behind it. "Feed" doesn't really carry much evil behind it. It's just nature, running its course. The Necrons back in the day though...Yeah, that was pretty much "Kill because feth the living". They killed for their reasons, and they were utterly remorseless. They were blending humans with machines to make things better at killing psykers. And we'd only just scratched the surface...

IMO, we didn't need another somewhat reasonable but still kind of grey on the scale race. Tyrranids may have been a better threat to the galaxy at large, but a better evil? 'Crons had that covered super hard.

I preferred when the was more mystery to the Necrons. There were hints at things to come, and a lack of true understanding from any other race in the galaxy. That, and it was just more grim. They were very definitely the bad guys in a world of grey - all we did know was that they were out for blood.

..Except we knew, they were doing it for the hunger of their "C'tan gods", they were just puppet slaves, it was literally right in the codex itself. The grand mystery? C'tan, motivations? Whatever the C'tan want. What did the C'tan want? To feed, they were literally Metal Tyranids.

IMO, we didn't need another somewhat reasonable but still kind of grey on the scale race. Tyrranids may have been a better threat to the galaxy at large, but a better evil? 'Crons had that covered super hard.

They were just metal coated Tyranids, at the behest of masters who just wanted to eat and screw around with things.

The best part are the Necron gardeners who can destroy an entire solar system just because.

Matt Ward at his best!

Coming from the "Oldcron" Nightbringer who put the Grim Reaper visage fear of death into every race and species cept Orks... Despite many species, populations not having anything to do with the Grim Reaper at all.

I like the new fluf but I think the old stuff is better because it's more mysterious

As a Necron player since the heady days of 2nd edition, The Necron/Blood Angels bro-fist makes me want to apply my REAL fist to Mr. Ward.

The way they rolled out the new fluff was terrible. Having the brofist moment a full year (two years?) before revealing that the Necron had changed led to a lot of people rightly angry at what looked like a total Mary Sue moment. If they'd introduced it as a gradual change throughout various fluff sources as higher-functioning leaders came online, I think it would have worked a lot better. That said, personality is better than no personality, and the game did not need two mindless omnicidal factions. I also like that they are now a faction that can rival the Imperium in size and is actually trying to build something, since prior to that the Imperium was the only galaxy-spanning faction that wasn't just trying to Burn It All Down. The one aspect of new fluff that I really don't like is giving them the ability (and interest) to use the webway. I really like the idea of them being completely apart from the Warp and having vastly powerful and inscrutable technology to compensate. I was happy to see the inertia-less drive come back in Fall of Orpheus and I think I'd rather just pretend that they don't have anything to do with the webway at all. It also makes their teleportation more interesting, as if you forbid them from having any Warp technology it means their teleport technology is somehow working completely differently than any other similar device.

People don't like change, even when its more of a flushing out of fluff. The 3rd edition codex was a skeleton.

The Fall of Orpheus was awesome.

I like both...
Both versions are equally viable and neither necessitate the absence of the other. I like the characters of the new, and the feel of the old.

Humorously enough, their enemies will rarely know (or care) which sub-faction they're fighting.

Also, while the Necron "team-up" seemed out of know here, any such alliance would play out the same way. Presumably, that was their first encounter with an Overlord led Necron force that shared their goal. The Necrons had never seen a reason to ally and the Imperium didn't know it was possible (and in ninety-nine of one hundred cases didn't care) to even communicate with Necrons at all. That it was an isolated event means it wasn't a spontaneous change in the Necrons, but a shift in their presence in that instance. The beginning of potential change.

At least, that's the way I like to see it. If that's not what gels with you, run a different thought pattern. The Necrons will be cool either way.

Wow, it's as if some people have no concept of the term "subjective".

I really love the new fluff, even though my home brew dynasty is essentially comprised of Oldcrons (sans the C'tan masters).

Praise be to the Wardfather for giving us the gift of Zandrekh and Trazyn.

Funny , as either Oldcrons or Newcrons, I never thought of them as evil. Or , I suppose the correct context is ' frightening " and / or "repellent " .

'Nids want to kill you for no particular reason , you're just dinner ? That may not be evil, but it certainly scares me and repels me.
The Tau ? Devious, deceptive, two-faced, lying mother -@#$%& !! If they aren't evil, they might as well be.
Eldar same as Tau.

But Necrons are both too impressive, and at the same time too tragic. That's either something I want to JOIN, or want to SAVE.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I preferred when the was more mystery to the Necrons. There were hints at things to come, and a lack of true understanding from any other race in the galaxy. That, and it was just more grim. They were very definitely the bad guys in a world of grey - all we did know was that they were out for blood.

..Except we knew, they were doing it for the hunger of their "C'tan gods", they were just puppet slaves, it was literally right in the codex itself. The grand mystery? C'tan, motivations? Whatever the C'tan want. What did the C'tan want? To feed, they were literally Metal Tyranids.

IMO, we didn't need another somewhat reasonable but still kind of grey on the scale race. Tyrranids may have been a better threat to the galaxy at large, but a better evil? 'Crons had that covered super hard.

They were just metal coated Tyranids, at the behest of masters who just wanted to eat and screw around with things.

So you're arguing that my opinion is wrong. And your argument amounts to "They're just metal Tyranids, Meurgh!"

Gosh.

 Bludbaff wrote:
The way they rolled out the new fluff was terrible. Having the brofist moment a full year (two years?) before revealing that the Necron had changed led to a lot of people rightly angry at what looked like a total Mary Sue moment. If they'd introduced it as a gradual change throughout various fluff sources as higher-functioning leaders came online, I think it would have worked a lot better.

Their fluff had already been changed in the 5e rule book.

 liquidjoshi wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

I preferred when the was more mystery to the Necrons. There were hints at things to come, and a lack of true understanding from any other race in the galaxy. That, and it was just more grim. They were very definitely the bad guys in a world of grey - all we did know was that they were out for blood.

..Except we knew, they were doing it for the hunger of their "C'tan gods", they were just puppet slaves, it was literally right in the codex itself. The grand mystery? C'tan, motivations? Whatever the C'tan want. What did the C'tan want? To feed, they were literally Metal Tyranids.

IMO, we didn't need another somewhat reasonable but still kind of grey on the scale race. Tyrranids may have been a better threat to the galaxy at large, but a better evil? 'Crons had that covered super hard.

They were just metal coated Tyranids, at the behest of masters who just wanted to eat and screw around with things.

So you're arguing that my opinion is wrong. And your argument amounts to "They're just metal Tyranids, Meurgh!"

Gosh.

You mean besides you stated a 'fact'

all we did know was that they were out for blood.

We knew quite a bit more then that, the second part was opinion, though I'd argue that Chaos actually having a motivation would be more of a better evil myself.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:
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Coming from the "Oldcron" Nightbringer who put the Grim Reaper visage fear of death into every race and species cept Orks... Despite many species, populations not having anything to do with the Grim Reaper at all.

Let a TruCron explain this this to a NewCron:

The Nightbringer isn't a being on its own, it's a concept. The Nightbringer is pure energy. He is the oldest living being in the entire universe (along with its bretheren). His shape was given by the Necrontyr (Necrontyr, not Necrons) who designed the Necrodermis, an armor capable of holding the insane power in a form. The Necrontyr gave Him the appearance of a grim reaper - or rather paved the way for it, as He decided to take this form on his own as well. The Nightbringer and the Necrons almost destroyed the entire universe long before today, so being imprinted in the mind of all following generations of lesser races, it makes sense that such a concept is uphold.

Unless you want to argue that death isn't a concept most are familiar with

Glad to be of service.

When I read "OldCrons" I think of the late 2nd edition ones. That was years before Codex: RetCrons reframed the entire setting as a chessmatch between ancient aliens, and where instead of giving the Necrons background of their own the C'tan were inserted behind everyone else's.

That was the lamest thing. It was too late in 40K's development for such a "reveal", and the "hints" that the C'tan were/are behind a bunch of 30-40K stuff was an especially cheap trick to play. Didn't help that their threat resembled that of the Tyranids so much.

The first Necron Codex (along with Heresysploitation) pretty much killed my interest in 40K's fluff. The second one was a big step up by virtue of being a big step away. It downplays the C'tan and gives the robot skeletons that make up the actual army some personality and context in the present. They're hardly my favourite faction but I don't mind them being around.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

Praise be to the Wardfather for giving us the gift of Zandrekh and Trazyn.

Those are two of the worst characters in the codex though.

Though only Imotekh and Szeras(sp?) are good.

 Sigvatr wrote:

The Nightbringer isn't a being on its own, it's a concept. The Nightbringer is pure energy. He is the oldest living being in the entire universe (along with its bretheren). His shape was given by the Necrontyr (Necrontyr, not Necrons) who designed the Necrodermis, an armor capable of holding the insane power in a form. The Necrontyr gave Him the appearance of a grim reaper - or rather paved the way for it, as He decided to take this form on his own as well. The Nightbringer and the Necrons almost destroyed the entire universe long before today, so being imprinted in the mind of all following generations of lesser races, it makes sense that such a concept is uphold.

The Nightbringer imprinted the fear of death on all mortal races (bar the Orks for some reason) after his Necrodermis was destroyed by Khaine. Many races (including humans) didn't play any part in the War in Heaven and most would never have seen the Nightbringer. Him being the source of the Grim Reaper image makes no sense.

Also the old Necrons were the only faction with their 'gods' actually able to direct their power fully in the Materium. The Ruinous Powers and Gork and Mork can't use most of their power in the Materium. The Emperor is on the Golden Throne. Cegorach spends a lot of time in the Webway trying to combat Slaanesh and Khaine was shattered into Greater Daemon-esque shards. The Tau don't have one at all and the Tyranid Hive Mind I'm unsure about but certainly doesn't actually wander about. The old Necrons had a massive technological advantage along with having their 'gods' around. The Deceiver was wandering around about the galaxy for millennia prior to the 41st millennium and his greatest accomplishment was orchestrating the Gothic War and in doing so gave the anti-C'tan Blackstone Fortresses to someone who could actually use them.

I much prefer the the new background. Though the Celestial Orrery is a bit much I like to think that it works by sending something to the star to cause it to turn supernova; allowing other factions to intercept it if necessary.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

Praise be to the Wardfather for giving us the gift of Zandrekh and Trazyn.

Those are two of the worst characters in the codex though.

Though only Imotekh and Szeras(sp?) are good.

Are you talking about actual strength on the tabletop? O_o

Because Zahndrekh is by far the best character in the entire codex, Obyron is ok, and the rest is terrible.

Hahah, and you call yourself a "TruCron"?

Because when I read 3e Necrons I thought "Wow I bet some of these Necron Overlords have hammy dinner parties".

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

*Snip*

They were just metal coated Tyranids, at the behest of masters who just wanted to eat and screw around with things.

liquidjoshi wrote:
So you're arguing that my opinion is wrong. And your argument amounts to "They're just metal Tyranids, Meurgh!"

Gosh.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
You mean besides you stated a 'fact'

all we did know was that they were out for blood.

liquidjoshi, in the first half of my post wrote:

I preferred [...] I just preferred [...]

Mhhm. Mhhm.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:
We knew quite a bit more then that, the second part was opinion,

Oh, forgive me, we knew they were acting under the C'Tan, who are so transparent and open in their designs and intentions.

Pfft, ok.

Fixed many times because quotes.

Oh, forgive me, we knew they were acting under the C'Tan, who are so transparent and open in their designs and intentions.

The C'tan hate the Warp and its psychic energies (even as they crave the living energies of organic beings) and had the Necrons construct a series of pylons on the world of Cadia and other planets across several sectors in the Segmentum Obscurus which, when completed, were intended to close off the Warp from the material universe entirely, utterly destroying any living creatures with a soul, leaving all other life in the galaxy as nourishment for the C'tan.

Somewhat were, they were just kinda hungry for living energies.

Which explains the Void Dragon and Deceiver's shenanigans?

Think what you want about Old/Newcrons, it doesn't affect me in the slightest. But you're attacking an opinion, not a fact.

The Void Dragon (probably) got beat the hell out of by a dude on a horse with an iron sword, then (probably) dragged to Mars and buried there.

The Void Dragon almost killed the Emperor who despite defeating it did not manage to outright kill it and imprisoned it on Mars.

Not the smartest idea, as it turns out. Having a god corrupting mankind, or parts of it, never is a good idea

 Sigvatr wrote:
The Void Dragon almost killed the Emperor who despite defeating it did not manage to outright kill it and imprisoned it on Mars.

Not the smartest idea, as it turns out. Having a god corrupting mankind, or parts of it, never is a good idea

Unless of course it helped kickstart the powerful technology that Mars ended up creating, which helped conquer a vast amount of the universe in a short time.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
The Void Dragon almost killed the Emperor who despite defeating it did not manage to outright kill it and imprisoned it on Mars.

Not the smartest idea, as it turns out. Having a god corrupting mankind, or parts of it, never is a good idea

Unless of course it helped kickstart the powerful technology that Mars ended up creating, which helped conquer a vast amount of the universe in a short time.

As every farmer knows, good grain needs fertilizer to grow before the harvest


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 Void__Dragon wrote:


Because when I read 3e Necrons I thought "Wow I bet some of these Necron Overlords have hammy dinner parties".

Ehm...the soulless automatons having dinner parties...uhm...I guess you're mixing up the codices here.

Ehm...the soulless automatons having dinner parties...uhm...I guess you're mixing up the codices here.

I think he's saying that because you like those characters in the 5E codex, considering his first line and that your betraying the oldcrons.

Though Xenology had one taunting an Inquisitor in a manner befitting 5E, so who knows

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Ehm...the soulless automatons having dinner parties...uhm...I guess you're mixing up the codices here.

I think he's saying that because you like those characters in the 5E codex, considering his first line and that your betraying the oldcrons.

Ah, okay, he just did not read the post properly then. Thanks.

 Sigvatr wrote:
The Void Dragon almost killed the Emperor who despite defeating it did not manage to outright kill it and imprisoned it on Mars.

Not the smartest idea, as it turns out. Having a god corrupting mankind, or parts of it, never is a good idea

Dude. On a horse. With an iron sword.

Beat the piss out of it and then dragged it to Mars.

"Dude" aka The Emperor aka the strongest psyker in the entire universe (until he died). He was able to defeat the Void Dragon (and barely so, might I add!) as The Warp is their weak spot.

And in the end...well...The Void Dragon lives, imprisoned on Mars, corrupting mankind. The Emperor is dead. Who should stop him if he breaks free?

 Sigvatr wrote:
"Dude" aka The Emperor aka the strongest psyker in the entire universe (until he died). He was able to defeat the Void Dragon (and barely so, might I add!) as The Warp is their weak spot.

And in the end...well...The Void Dragon lives, imprisoned on Mars, corrupting mankind. The Emperor is dead. Who should stop him if he breaks free?

Marbo

 Random Dude wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
"Dude" aka The Emperor aka the strongest psyker in the entire universe (until he died). He was able to defeat the Void Dragon (and barely so, might I add!) as The Warp is their weak spot.

And in the end...well...The Void Dragon lives, imprisoned on Mars, corrupting mankind. The Emperor is dead. Who should stop him if he breaks free?

Marbo

Dear lord. It's like in those anime movies. Marbo and The Void Dragon connect and the entire universe is destroyed in a huge explosion.

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR!

MARBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

While it's not bad it's certainly not as good as the old fluff was.

I don't want to know about the Necrons. I want them to be an ancient and inhuman foe. If I read anything about their culture or society I want it to be from the perspective of the Eldar, not their own storytellers or historians. As for individual characters and known individuals within structure I'm semi-alright with that... they don't need to be wholly faceless. But much like the C'tan used to be I'd rather their generals, or what is perceived to be their generals, to be shadowy and mysterious figures more than noted and well constructed individuals in their own right.

That is basically how Marbo functions, yes. He is from an era that predates Chuck Norris as the baddest of badasses, an era where that title was held by one John Rambo.

John Rambo. Never forget.

Remember the days where action heroes were action heroes and did not jump at every cash-train that came along? Looking at you, Expendables.

Whoops... there doesn't seem to be anything here.

They do, The Warp. Necrons have no defense against the powers of The Warp and it remains their weak point. Furthermore, they still rely on their Tomb Worlds. Should all or most of them be destroyed before they awaken, they aren't a threat anymore.

Time is the greatest foe of the Necrons. The Warriors that shamble out of the tombs are falling apart, hence the zombie-like gait many of them have. Codex: Necron notes that the Warriors are showing signs of mechanical fatigue and the effects of sixty million years of time on their Necrodermis.

The Flayer Virus is also spreading through various Dynasties and Tombs, and can (as Craftworld Iyanden learned) be captured and deployed elsewhere, as a sort of bio-warfare agent against creatures that are anything but biological.

Whoops... there doesn't seem to be anything here.

NewCrons all the way. I love Necrons, but if we had to stick with their old fluff, I probably wouldn't be playing them.

I like Newcron fluff in that I felt it gave personality to an army that was rather bland but I felt Ward focused to much on the evil doctor doom-esque part of the Necrons and less about the mysterious and silent race that just marches into a town a start shooting at people. The only thing I want to see removed is the bit about the galaxy-destroying superweapon, which to me is typical Ward faction spanking.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Ah, okay, he just did not read the post properly then. Thanks.

You said Zandrekh was the best character in the codex. He also throws dinner parties for captured Space Marines.

Unless you were indeed talking about gameplay, which would be strange indeed considering no one brought it up and this is the background section.

If there was a failure to communicate I would suggest you word your posts better my son.

To be fair Zahndrekh still thinks he's flesh and bone because of circuit damage or similar.

Honestly I like the NewCron fluff, which if you look hard enough into you can see the OldCrons (minus the C'Tan Overlords).

The only things I don't like about the NewCrons is them have time travel everywhere and the Celestial Orrery (which is a cool concept and despite me just saying I don't I do like it... just not in 40K). If these 2 things didn't exist (or if the former wasn't so wide-spread and only a few Necrons had it) then I'd completely love the NewCrons.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Necrons have no defense against the powers of The Warp

Pylons on Cadia (null field matrices), pariahs and gloom prisms.

Pariahs don't appear to exist anymore.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

Praise be to the Wardfather for giving us the gift of Zandrekh and Trazyn.

Those are two of the worst characters in the codex though.

Though only Imotekh and Szeras(sp?) are good.

Zandrahk is actually pretty useful with the ability to pass out special rules, but otherwise pretty useless. Trayzn never dies, but what does he really DO?

Imotehk is my favorite named character, and he's fun as hell to play. And Szeras is good because of his Lance and he can buff a unit.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:
Pariahs don't appear to exist anymore.

Yeah, that made me sad.

 Truth118 wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Necrons have no defense against the powers of The Warp

Pylons on Cadia (null field matrices), pariahs and gloom prisms.

Pariahs are Unit Type: Not In This Edition currently.

 Void__Dragon wrote:


If there was a failure to communicate I would suggest you word your posts better my son.

 Sigvatr wrote:


Are you talking about actual strength on the tabletop? O_o

I would suggest you reading my posts better, "son"

 krodarklorr wrote:

Zandrahk is actually pretty useful with the ability to pass out special rules, but otherwise pretty useless. Trayzn never dies, but what does he really DO?

Imotehk is my favorite named character, and he's fun as hell to play. And Szeras is good because of his Lance and he can buff a unit.

What is with you people and thinking I'm talking about gameplay in the fluff section of the forum?

 Void__Dragon wrote:
What is with you people and thinking I'm talking about gameplay in the fluff section of the forum?

Because it's utterly inconceivable that someone could dislike Old Man Zandy and Trollzyn's lore.

You could have just answered the question with "No.". It's the internet and sometimes things aren't as clear as you might think they are. Thus people might ask you to make sure they got it right (or not). You usally then quickly answer them and the case's settled.


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 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
What is with you people and thinking I'm talking about gameplay in the fluff section of the forum?

Because it's utterly inconceivable that someone could dislike Old Man Zandy and Trollzyn's lore.

Obyron must have the worst job ever. I just imagine them sitting together at dinner, Zahndrekh starting to talk about his war achievements and Obyron being "Not this gak again...".

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:


If there was a failure to communicate I would suggest you word your posts better my son.

 Sigvatr wrote:


Are you talking about actual strength on the tabletop? O_o

I would suggest you reading my posts better, "son"

I understand that English isn't your first language and as such you can't be expected to have as firm a grasp of it as me, even after a sleepless insomnia-ridden night, so allow me to break this down for you.

"Are you talking about actual strength on the tabletop? O_o"

This is the first line of your post. Let's just ignore that there was no reason to assume I was talking about the gameplay for a minute and focus purely on how poorly-worded your post was my son.

"Because Zahndrekh is by far the best character in the entire codex, Obyron is ok, and the rest is terrible."

This was the following line, which was disconnected from the first one.

"Because Zandrekh is by far the best character in the entire codex" only indicates you think he's the "best". Best at what? On the tabletop, or the best of the new special characters?

You think your first line makes this clear, but it really doesn't. Your incredulous first sentence could also mean two things: It could mean that you were incredulous that I'd find Imotekh and Szeras the best-written characters in the fluff (As opposed to Zandrekh) and wondered if I was saying they're best on the tabletop (Which is the interpretation I went with), or it could mean that you are flabbergasted that someone would find them the best on the tabletop as opposed to the apparently superior (I haven't played a game of 40k in years and am not caught up on their meta) Zandrekh.

I went with the former interpretation because I am at heart a kind and gentle soul. The latter interpretation means that, for literally no reason at all, you just assumed I was talking about the gameplay. Why? This is the fluff section of the forum, why on Earth would I be talking about gameplay for no reason at all? The former interpretation assumes that you find my choice of "best characters" so strange that you can only assume I'm talking about gameplay. While arguably an unreasonable train of thought, it's a fairly logical one.

Your wording was very vague and didn't get across your meaning very well, ergo, it was poorly-worded. You're welcome.


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 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:
Because it's utterly inconceivable that someone could dislike Old Man Zandy and Trollzyn's lore.

I stopped liking Power Rangers villains a long time ago.

Dude. On a horse. With an iron sword.

Beat the piss out of it and then dragged it to Mars.

I'm thinking something "else" was involved in that fight, because the first sentence does not match with the second and never has. Unless the Emperor has a Rocket Horse, and facilities pre-built on Mars during medieval Europe?

The Emperor's horse literally dragged the Void Dragon's body.

The Void Dragon is, if I'm remember right, sixty meters long.

That horse is the most powerful being in the setting.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:


If there was a failure to communicate I would suggest you word your posts better my son.

 Sigvatr wrote:


Are you talking about actual strength on the tabletop? O_o

I would suggest you reading my posts better, "son"

I understand that English isn't your first language and as such you can't be expected to have as firm a grasp of it as me, even after a sleepless insomnia-ridden night, so allow me to break this down for you.

So instead of admitting your mistake, you go full ad hominem and make stuff up - looks like someone found his big boy pants!

What happened to the horse, though, after its master died? :O

And since we're at it, let's not forget that the entire fight did not have any eye witnesses. It's extremely vague.

The old fluff was empty and boring. The new fluff actually offers a little fun.

I don't think you know what an ad hominem is.

I explained, in detail, why you're wrong. Whether or not you accept that means nothing to me, lol.

 Blackhair Duckshape wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
What is with you people and thinking I'm talking about gameplay in the fluff section of the forum?

Because it's utterly inconceivable that someone could dislike Old Man Zandy and Trollzyn's lore.

I have to admit, even though I'm an Oldcron through and through, Trollzyn and Zanny boy are rather entertaining.

At least something fairly decent came out of the book I suppose.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
I don't think you know what an ad hominem is.

I explained, in detail, why you're wrong. Whether or not you accept that means nothing to me, lol.

Keep repeating that in your head and it will come true one day, son

 liquidjoshi wrote:


I have to admit, even though I'm an Oldcron through and through, Trollzyn and Zanny boy are rather entertaining.

At least something fairly decent came out of the book I suppose.

I still can't imagine those two being anything but an old gay couple, bickering all the time in private.