Shame to see even more finecast; Laketown Guard, Gundabad Orcs and these elves should all have been plastic. Looks like the Mirkwood spearmen/swordsmen will be FC as well.
I expect we'll see Dain, Ram cavalry, Bolg, armoured Azog, maybe new versions of the White Council and Sauron. To be honest, the Dwarf Cavalry are the only plastic I expect to see.
And do we really need another Legolas!? Although the foot version is a neat sculpt, when I can get over the fact he's using Orchrist.
As much as i'd love Smaug, I think it will be extortionately priced and the wrong scale. Although they might sell a new Bilbo with it to make more people get it...
It's a shame gw is becoming so focussed on Finecast, and I really don't think the dwarf cav will be plastic seeing as the new elf cavalry is finecast. Will probs be two dwarf rams in a clampack. I think new orcs and dwarfs plastics would be good as it would make it a lot easier to recreate BoFa, and it is rumoured there may be a redesign of plastic men for it. Guess we'll see.
Hopefully more thorins company will be released, though again don't expect this to be cheap. One thing we should expect is 12 'different' poses for Gandalf and Bilbo released each week...
I actually didn't really like the old DoS legolas so this is actually quite good for me. Very tempted to get him for use in lotr as well as hobbit. No real complaints about his pose yet, though the pics aren't too detailed
I could almost see a new Laketown Refugees set, depending on how many of their guard made it through Smaug's attack, as some of the previews show Bard leading a sort of ragtag militia band. But I think most of the releases will be finecast and/or character sets, at most there will be a couple of plastic sets. Orcs and Elves already have Finecast stuff, leaving Dwarves (who have 2 plastic sets) and men (who have one).
Did the alternate poses or Thorin's company shown in the AUJ rulebook ever get released? Of course, their costumes will be wrong at this point, but we might see them soon.
I have to say, I'm not very happy with the amount of fine cast that's going on in the hobbit releases. The price a are extortionate for them I can't see why a lot of the basic troops could be plastic. Especially the lake town guys !
I would be expecting more plastic releases because making a force of certain armies would be ludicrously expensive ! Well... Im hoping for more plastic releases
Laketown refugees is a nice idea, and considering that men is one of the five armies, i hope they get a better representation than finecast Laketown Guard. The amount of plastics from the first film would be good this time round, but considering last years releases i'm not hoping for too much.
The extra Thorin's company in AUJ have not yet been released and i have no idea if they will be. Could be a collecters set released sometime after the films?
GW finecast policy really is bad! They think by making an army of finecast troops means people will buy them more, which obviously isn't working! It is actually pushing people away from certain armies. This is slightly related to the 'is GW trolling the community' idea at the moment, but here they are making really good in game minis expensive! The troops could and should be plastic: The laketown guard are the most expensive money wise compared to cheap in points models in the game at the moment! If that's not going backwards for the company helping the community i don't know what is!
Been waiting for more plastics (and love) a good while now
I think its just easier and much much cheaper for GW to produce them in finecast. They dont expect to sell much of anything so the cheaper they can go while filling the obligation they have to the IP they will
It may be cheeper but realistically its pushing people away from buying any of the fine cast producta. I would have been tempted tpnbuy a lot of the models if they weren't so expensive ! Its still cheaper to buy models on eBay in the good old metal
Been saving up for these releases, I would have loved some new plastic box sets but, realistically, I expected finecast, the elves were the models I was most hoping for, and even a finecast mounted Legolas will be a lot cheaper than what the old metal one goes for on ebay, look forward to picking that up as well. My only worry is I'll blow all the money I've saved on these releases before anything else comes out
Hobbit
Balin the Dwarf, Dwalin the Dwarf, & Oin the Dwarf $40 3 miniatures online only
Kili the Dwarf, Fili the Dwarf, & Bofur the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Bombur the Dwarf, Bifur the Dwarf, & Ori the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Nori the Dwarf, Dori the Dwarf, & Gloin the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Thorin Oakenshield, King Under the Mountain, & Bilbo Baggins, Master Burglar $30 2 Miniatures
I wouldn't often trust that site, but they have what looks like the correct 40k stuff on the list, so I guess it's accurate. Odd combos of Dwarves, but they could look good; Thorin in Thror's armour should be badass.
That's crazy expensive. I think the reason they have the dwarves arranged in those groupings is to maximize the number of packs you need to buy in order to have all the ones you actually want to play with (Dwalin, Gloin, Kili & Fili, and Thorin). Just those make you have to spend $150.
Really expensive, really annoying groupings, really bad material. I really want these guys, this is not sarcastic, I think I actually might get them all if they look good. If not i'll just get most. Haven't splashed on GW for a while now but I think I will for these...
I get the feeling they just don't give a toss about it any more and will drop it as soon as the contract expires. It's served it's purpose and the now see it a weight around their neck.
It's a shame as it's a cracking little game and it deserves better. I'm picking up what I can and will keep it for long term usage.
True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.
I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.
The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.
It could well be something of a self-fulfilling prophecy; GW don't want Hobbit to do as well as LotR, so put prices up more and more until they are over double their equivalent older prices. Very few people but these, so the game dies off a bit, and GW are left with even lower sales than they 'wanted' and have even more reason to drip the game like a ten ton rock.
Paradigm wrote: Didn't this year's financial report mention that they would be losing a 'millstone around their neck'? I think we all know what that means.
I do wonder if they will at least keep the kits in production, or whether we'll be stuck with eBay and 2nd hand stuff...
Yeah I seem to recall that being mentioned. Shame really as I thought we would get at least another year or so out of the game before it was dropped.
LuciusAR wrote: True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.
I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.
The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.
Even if GW got burned by the LOTR bubble bursting, I don't see any good reason why they wouldn't still want to exploit The Hobbit. Just because you get burned by one bubble bursting doesn't mean you should avoid other bubbles.
I doubt there's a company in the world that would be unhappy with getting a large influx in revenue and profits, even if it does only last 3 years (it's only bad when the company gets stupid and thinks it's going to last forever that they get burned).
LuciusAR wrote: True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.
I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.
The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.
Even if GW got burned by the LOTR bubble bursting, I don't see any good reason why they wouldn't still want to exploit The Hobbit. Just because you get burned by one bubble bursting doesn't mean you should avoid other bubbles.
I doubt there's a company in the world that would be unhappy with getting a large influx in revenue and profits, even if it does only last 3 years (it's only bad when the company gets stupid and thinks it's going to last forever that they get burned).
Ash, but we're not talking about a normal company led by sane, rational people, this is GW!
It does seem odd they'd shy away from a short term cash injection (see 7th ed release, End Times ect). So I think it's more greed than anything else, and they must have thought that due to the success of LotR, they'd have a captive audience who would pay more and more... I saw on another forum that the sales of the DoS book were the 100s only, and it's easy to see how badly it's gone for them. Now we get a WD supplement and 3-man Finecast clampacks as GW just want to get rid of the game while clawing the last few pennies from those who can afford/are willing to collect every model.
Lots of releases next week including some surprises. There are lots of hobbit releases, including Smaug. Smaug is extremely huge will be listed for expert modelers only. Of course he is going to cost you almost 500 dollars US, but this is a huge model standing over lots of gold and two columns with Bilbo hiding beneath
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GW will re-release the War of the Ring Game with a Battle of Five Armies Expansion for the Hobbit Miniatures. GW want to use the Ring War Ruleset for getting over to the end of the Licence in 2018. A remake of the skimisher system will not happening after the Lost of the Hobbit licence in 2016.
The "how to painting Citadel Miniatures" Book bears the Lotr Logo, it's not only because the Tutorials in the Guide feature no Hobbit models. GWs Hobbit licence runs only until Early 2016, the other runs until end of 2018. When GW loses the Hobbit licence, they must release a new Rulebook with only Lotr content and the Logo of it.
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The rumours put Smaug at £300ish, about £180 more than I would happily pay, and probably in finecast too.
Depending on the savings I can from 3rd Party sellers, I'm almost tempted by Thorin, as it's a great figure. I REALLY don't need another Bilbo, especially not one that bad (might just be the paintjob). Had Thorin, Balin and Dwalin been in one set for £20-25, it would already be it's way to me, along with the rest of the Erebor army I'm on the edge of pulling the trigger on (I just need to find a good price on Thrain/Thror)
My thoughts exactly. It's the one character I always wanted in not-so-mini form, and I was prepared to pay more than I knew it would actually be worth to get it. But there is simply no way I could ever afford that. I mean, that price gets me a new guitar, an Xbox One, a new computer, and in the long run, I know I'd get more use from pretty much anything else I could ever do with that money.
I really think GW have lost the plot if they think they can produce a model worth that, even if it is a great scuplt.
People have been posting photos of all the blood angels in this issue, but not Smaug., as far as i can tell. Does anyone that actually gives a gak about the Hobbit have a copy of the issue yet and can they post up some images?
Paradigm wrote: I REALLY don't need another Bilbo, especially not one that bad (might just be the paintjob).
The problem with true scale hobbits is that you can't really tell how good they are when they have paint on them. A good paint job can make them look better than they actually might be and a bad paint job can make the most awesome sculpt look terrible. I have some LOTR Hobbits that I thought looked pretty bad in pictures, nothing like the actors but then seeing the raw metal sculpts in my hands my mind was blown how much the tiny little faces did actually look like the actors.
Smaug will be unjustifiably expensive, as everything seems to be nowadays. Don't get your hopes up is all I say really. It's a shame to be reduced to such cynicism but GW really are starting get through these shovels now. Australians complain about prices, but by the end of the year I expect GW to have dug right through the Earth with the way they're going!
Wolf wrote:I do believe for that kind of price the gold has to be real gold....
Feth it, for £300, I want a real living dragon to scale!
AllSeeingSkink wrote:
Paradigm wrote: I REALLY don't need another Bilbo, especially not one that bad (might just be the paintjob).
The problem with true scale hobbits is that you can't really tell how good they are when they have paint on them. A good paint job can make them look better than they actually might be and a bad paint job can make the most awesome sculpt look terrible. I have some LOTR Hobbits that I thought looked pretty bad in pictures, nothing like the actors but then seeing the raw metal sculpts in my hands my mind was blown how much the tiny little faces did actually look like the actors.
That is a very good point. Even on some of the larger minis there has been a good sculpt marred by a poor paintjob, one of the reasons I wish they still showed unpainted pics.
If smaug was to scale and had been sculpted by Trish Carden from forgeworld it might be worth the $490 they are charging for it.
She has done some amazing work with monsters for forgeworld and at the scale it would need to be it could be one amazing piece. Since im expecting this to be a giant ball of finecast and done by the gw team(which isnt bad but not optimal) its nowhere near worth $490.
The biggest problem with gw and the new lotr stuff is they are going cheap on it and overcharging really trying to sell it purely on the ip of tolkein alone. Their is no real incentive besides the love of the ip to buy it. If they had just went out and did plastic boxes for all of this, kept the moulds for years and kept supporting it, they will get their money. sadly gw is simply about the quick buck and without any care to its customers. I would have a dozen lotr armies if it wasnt such a burdon to buy them.
i can see the benefit of only doing blisters for alot of units, lotr/ hobbit is a skirmish game, i dont own the rulebook but i assume they have the warband rules? in which case if you are playing a single warband game, you can have a mix warband of cavelry and foot, during my collecting of lotr alot of minis of mine went unused as i was playing small warbands and only wanted 2 of the 6 knights on horses,
this isnt warhammer, large games are boggy with skirmish rules
btw that dragon is masing and huge in comparison to the pic ive seen on beasts of war
Well, most LotR games use minimum of 20 models a side, usually going up to 60-odd before the game really gets slow, so there are some serious issues when you have troops that are basically Goblin-cheap (Laketown militia) in a 3-for-15 Finecast blister. Considering that you're paying 4x as much compared to say, 12 Warriors of Minas Tirith, for a warband of 12 (of which you'll likely want multiples) you can see the problem...
If the game was more like Infinity or Deadzone and capped at a dozen minis a side it could be just about bearable, but typical LotR armies will have 3-4 times as many minis.
On the subject of Smaug size, I actually think that, as well as the boring pose, the GW Smaug is actually a bit on the small size; it's hard to judge without seeing the two together, but the one above looks to be more in scale.
Pics of Azog, Lieutenant of Sauron; Bolg, Castellan of Mount Gundabad and Bard the Bowman, Girion's Heir. Also makes mention of a 32 page The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies sourcebook ($8 US, online only or as a free PDF download from www.games-workshop.com).
Pretty uninspired if I'm honest; Azog is lacking his awesome armour and sword arm, and Bard has a terrible paintjob. Free supplement PDF is cool, though, now they just need to make the DoS stuff free.
It's funny, I really hate how Bolt looks in the film, but that on-foot version I think is among the better/best releases for this film so far.
The new releases are really... meh. The new models are really lacking the wow factor, which is a real shame. It kinda makes me sad.
The Azog looks arlight but his posture and position looks really static, I think Bolg is much more impressive though has more of a presence about him !
Oh Bard, Bard, Bard. What a pity, terrible model I think the mounted one especially !
namiel wrote: I think its just easier and much much cheaper for GW to produce them in finecast. They dont expect to sell much of anything so the cheaper they can go while filling the obligation they have to the IP they will
That is pretty much what the Denver GW guy told me, the plastics wouldnt be worth it for the company, even though we the customer prefer it, as for new releases, sadly folks, think we got the last :(
Da Boss wrote: Is bard the bowman really not carrying a bow at all?
Its true to the film. His bow is destroyed and he only uses a sword after Laketown.
It's more the fact he's still called Bard The Bowman. In fact, that's something that really annoys me about most of these BotFA profiles. Why do we need 'Balin the Dwarf, Champion of Erebor', when it could just be 'Balin, Champion of Erebor'? I know, stupid thing to be annoyed by, but it does bug me.
On a side note, the GW guy I spoke to today reckoned there might be more stuff for BotFA coming in a few months... But then he also suggested I send off my fan-made BotFA supplement to GW for ideas, so I shan't set too much store by it... He must have been new
I do hope there will be more stuff, mainly because i can't be bothered to convert dwarf Ramriders!
Imagine sending off the fan made supplement, it wouldn't get past the first hurdle: being the opposite of what fans want! This guy sounds pretty cool though, at least he takes an interest in the Hobbit instead of trying to move you on. Out of interest what store is this?
Captain Galenus wrote: I do hope there will be more stuff, mainly because i can't be bothered to convert dwarf Ramriders!
Agreed. Although while Time=Money, I'm not sure what quantity of time the conversions would have to take to match the GW pricing.
Imagine sending off the fan made supplement, it wouldn't get past the first hurdle: being the opposite of what fans want! This guy sounds pretty cool though, at least he takes an interest in the Hobbit instead of trying to move you on. Out of interest what store is this?
This was the Norwich store, which, while I don't get there that often, seems to be one of the better ones around. The staff aren't exactly pushy and there's usually a couple of them around (so less waiting time, and one can be on kid-control duty while the other works), and it looks to have a good bit more gaming space than many these days. It's not a bad store, all things told, and if it wasn't an hour's bus ride away I'd happily go there a lot more regularly.
Yeah true, if GW do bring out some ramriders i doubt i'll get any, as it will be damn expensive to get a feasible amount...
I have to say i am becoming more and more impressed with the GW stores now. I think the staff are actually more interested in the hobby than the guys at HQ. the one i go to in Cambridge has two great guys, and one actually asked me if i wanted a game of the Hobbit, not me having find someone who played! However GW instincts kicked in when i said i was interested in Deathstorm...
I don't really have a problem with the staff in the stores. They are a little pushy but that is mandated from above and they have very stressful sales targets to meet. The guy remaining in Dusseldorf after they closed their amazing HQ store is pretty nice and has a good attitude.
WRT Bard the Bowman only having a sword in the movie, yeah, I found that dumb too I suppose. And considering they have a model of him using a Windlance which was never even in the movie at all...
I need your opinions guys. Thranduil, King of the Woodland Realm has 3 attacks and 2 hand weapons making him a base 4 attacks then adds +1 for fighting on foot, then adds +1 for each enemy beyond the first. So essentially he is on foot base 5 attacks? with the potential up to 8? or does the bonus attacks not have a limit like knife fighter special rule?
As there is no rule in the main rulebook about 2 hand weapons adding 1 attack that I can see, I would argue he gets 3 base, the 1 extra from his special rule/fighting on foot/2 hand weapons, for 4 base, and then a further +1 (up to +6, as that's the most models you could get touching him at any time) from the enemy models.
So a base of 4 (on foot) and a maximum total of 10 is my reading.
Paradigm wrote: As there is no rule in the main rulebook about 2 hand weapons adding 1 attack that I can see, I would argue he gets 3 base, the 1 extra from his special rule/fighting on foot/2 hand weapons, for 4 base, and then a further +1 (up to +6, as that's the most models you could get touching him at any time) from the enemy models.
So a base of 4 (on foot) and a maximum total of 10 is my reading.
In general a second hand weapon has always added an extra attack.
The worst part is that it's a 10 quid drop from the last WC set. Which is why I reckon it'll be OP-mode Galadriel, armoured Elrond and then another Saruman, and a prone/unconcious Gandalf.
What I don't get is why they've dedicated sculptors to doing another White Council when each has at least 3 versions, and a full model for Radagast on Eagle that could just be an add-on to the plastic one, instead of actually filling the gaps in the game like Dain (hell, anything from the Iron Hills) or armoured Azog?
Obviously they aren't high on the priority list which seems completely bizarre ! I just hope they are on the work bench also or it will be the final nail in the coffin of their support for the game ! Only time will tell...
They know from experience how popular Gandalf is and love making him! This was also the case with the original LotR line... We can still hope for Iron Hills stuff as it makes a lot of sense for GW to make, both for the community, license, and moneys.
This new stuff is promising, a sign for things to come? Edit: This is wrong: (Also, I think that the White Council box is £45, at least that's what it says on OR) it is £35... still will have a prone/dying Gandalf, an exhausted/prone Galadriel, a passive casual-looking Saruman, and an Elrond who doesn't know how to hold a sword properly...
I must admit a very big part of me is hoping for iron hills dwarves and that they are amazingly sculpted. I think hat would push me over the edge of not buying hobbit miniatures to buying them. Though I cant get more good guys, I have 2 full 1000 point armies, I need to get another evil army !
Oh yeah, even if they are Finecast this may be the army that fully tips me over the edge to against all my previous mantras... My issues with armies is that I have too many in general amd can't physically paint them all!
Captain Galenus wrote: Oh yeah, even if they are Finecast this may be the army that fully tips me over the edge to against all my previous mantras... My issues with armies is that I have too many in general amd can't physically paint them all!
i have been picking and choosing what i really like. I first got in with gladhrim elves(which will always be #1 for me) but i have been collecting other armies of interest since. Small forces anyway
Yeah, I 'inherited' a whole load of minis when my friends/brothers moved away from the game, and I keep seeing things that are cool that I want to build so it becomes a steady build up of minis in my box...
One of the reasons I love the LotR Allies system. I can have Warbands for pretty much any army and throw them together into an army, so while I have 2 'main' forces (Gondor and Mordor) I can plug in and play anything from Rivendell Elves to Black Numenoreans. Apart from Hobbits, I've got a little bit of just about everything as a result.
Totally agree, it's nice to be able t have really thematic armies for fun play, as well as possible deadly combos for serious tournaments. My only issue is that if it is abused results can become a little silly and start to completely change the mechanics of an arm - e.g. a wood elf army designed as small skirmishers that make use of range and woodland allying with some cheeky Knights of Dol Amroth to get some massive charges in. I don't mind playing it, just not against it!!!
Hwy got some news ! Pictures are up of the Radagast on the eagle and the white council. I'm on my phone at the moment so cant reliably paste the links but in the meantime check out The One ring forums for pictures
There you go, I hope that works. Saruman looks really awesome, Elrond is a bit lack luster and the same with Galadriel. Radagast I am a bit undecided about but hey ho.
Pretty poor if you ask me. Elrond is tripping over and spraining his side, Galadriel appears to have stumbled into the Wood Elf dressing room for the new WFB film and it may be the angle but Saurman's face looks like he just ran into a wall.
Automatically Appended Next Post: From what it looks like(on my phone) i quite like them. not enough to buy MORE of the same characters but i am not displeased
I was just assuming that sarumans face was a bend in the page or something ? I hope my assumption is right because they couldn't ruin a model that much !
I'd agree, ilI think the past sxulpts of Galadriel are better than this one, its just lacking that wow factor. It could be possible that its just the paint job as it doesn't really look all that great.
As a sculpt I think it's quite nice actually, Galadriel. I prefer it to the one where she has the hood up and is holding her hand out. Like the other two as well. But 35 sterling for three man sized miniatures in Finecast is too over priced for me. I would happily pick up the figures for 25-30 euro, but these will be in the 40-45 range I expect, which is far too much.
speaking of new LOTR I just got ebay happy..............
picked up all these boxes just now
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all complete 3 of which still shrink wrapped.........................spent way too much but still well under retail. FML thats lot of building and painting
Paradigm wrote: Wow, that is one hell of a haul! Out of interest, what are the contents of those Two Towers and RotK boxes?
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers Strategy Battle Game contains a 160-page full-color rules manual, 32 highly detailed plastic miniatures (12 Riders of Rohan and 20 Fighting Uruk-hai), a ruined building, and dice.
Relive the battles of The Return of the King film and book with The Lord of the Rings tabletop strategy battle game. Inside The Return of the King you will find a 176 page full colour rulebook, 48 highly detailed plastic miniatures (24 Warriors of Minas Tirith & 24 Mordor Orcs), stone ruins of Middle-earth and dice.
Not so amazing but worth the $60~ i paid for them. I already own the books for all of those starter sets so I think im going to unload those to try to recoup some of the money spent. Im thinking in very good condition i should get $10-15 each.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 232 total minis. not too bad keeping each under $2 with plenty out of print/metal/characters. Then add books, white dwarfs that were included, terrain pieces and that was including the shipping costs. Id say it was a pretty decent deal snagging those auctions
Automatically Appended Next Post: What do you guys think of my new gondor army..............after todays purcheses(with a few small buys) i will be able to make this sizeable force. What do you guys think?
Warband 1 12/12
Aragorn, King Elessar
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield; Spear;
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
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Warband 2 12/12
Faramir, Captain of Gondor with Heavy armour; Bow; Shield;
12 Citadel Guard with Longbow;
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Warband 3 12/12
Boromir, Captain of the White Tower with Horse; Shield; The Banner of Minas Tirith;
12 Knight of Minas Tirith with Shield;
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Warband 4 12/12
Damrod, Ranger of Ithilien
12 Ranger of Gondor with Spear;
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Warband 5 12/12
Beregond
5 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield; Spear;
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
1 Guard of the Fountain Court with Shield; Banner;
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Warband 6 12/12
Knight of the White Tower
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield; Spear;
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
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Warband 7 12/12
Captain of Minas Tirith with Shield;
4 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield; Spear;
4 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
1 Guard of the Fountain Court with Shield; Banner;
1 Avenger Bolt Thrower with Swift reload; Flaming ammunition; Siege Veterans;
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Warband 8 12/12
Denethor, Steward of Gondor
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield; Spear;
6 Warrior of Minas Tirith with Shield;
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Warband 9 12/12
Madril, Captain of Ithilien
12 Citadel Guard with Longbow;
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Seems pretty sound, but bloody big! I have to say, that is one battle line I would NOT want to have to deal with, especially with Avengers and cav bothering me. Out of interest did you not get any archers, as in large numbers they can actually be pretty good.
Also, have you thought about War of the Ring? I know it gets a fair amount of hate but it is actually really quite fun if not taken too seriously and adds a whole 'nother aspect to the game. Also less daunting a project now that you have a ton of models! My Minas Tirith force is prety hige now and there is a certain satisfaction with pushing around trays of minis. I PM a link for the rulebook and extension if it interests you?
Yeah, I did have a lot of fun with a lot of WotR back in the day. That said, I took the cheapskate route of using paper printouts of units with actual minis only standing in for heroes/banners ect. It's a decent ruleset, though.
Somewhere on my loooong list of 'one day' projects is to do a hybrid SBG/WotR ruleset. Unit-based mechanics, but with a less-nuts model count needed, and a sort of middle ground between abstraction for unit size and detail with individual minis. Like I say, one day...
As for that list, it looks pretty awesome. You have a lot of WoMT, and it's hard to go wrong there, and then Citadel Guard and Avengers for shooting, plenty of Might and a Boromir-led Cavalry Charge which should be something to behold! Only slight gripe is that you have Boromir and King Aragorn in the same list, but I guess you could always play the 'Throngoril' card and get away with it (for those that don't know, Throngoril was the name Aragor used when serving under Ecthellion and Thengel about 30-40 years pre-WotR)
Oh yeah, Namiel, totally jealous of your haul! Years ago I picked up the Warhost of Cirith Ungol boxed set. Great value for money. Wish GW still made sets like that. Amazed you can find those sets on Ebay these days!
Paradigm: We played it with fairly small forces and I think it was really under-rated as a game. I really liked how they kept the system simple while introducing a lot of flavour, and how they handled the iconic units. I was super exited about it for ages, but then no one else was!
A simple fix for the rules would just be halving the number of dudes per base. Keep everything else the same but reduces the model count by half.
Yeah i really only have good experiences with it, though it was passed of as a WHFB test edition! The model count is an issue i guess but with a few really good deals on eBay and i already had a solid 2000 point army to expand upon. The main issue i find is painting all the buggers to a decent standard!
Your 'one day' project sounds good, though it seems like a lot of thought would have to go into the process. Good luck if you ever do decide to do it!
Lets hope that with the Hobbit WotR 2.0 will be released in all its former glory with some little fixes...
Mordor Uruk Hai are still available in metal, at just £8.20 per blister (very close to the average price when I started LOTR 12 years ago - so theres price nostalgia), they're very nice models and they have a good number of variants (6) which I can boost with conversions (got some axes from Gripping Beast).
I think they'll work well with my Angmar army so I'm gonna get 4 blisters (of 3 models) for a full Warband. Only £32.
True, although the bay still has better deals i'm afraid and has more choice. Of course there is more security on GW but i'd still check out ebay. I'm not trying to stop you from buying direct though, i still purchase stuff straight from GW, but sometimes it's just not worth it...
Since we're discussing bargain LotR here, check out these guys from Wargames Factory. A dollar a mini (about £16 a box in the UK after discount) and with a weapon swap and paintscheme, they could make great Hunter Orcs:
http://www.wargamesfactory.com/webstore/horse-and-musket/woodland-indians
Captain Galenus wrote: True, although the bay still has better deals i'm afraid and has more choice. Of course there is more security on GW but i'd still check out ebay. I'm not trying to stop you from buying direct though, i still purchase stuff straight from GW, but sometimes it's just not worth it...
My point being that £8 a blister (3 models) is what I consider to be a fair price, comparable to the prices I was paying when I started the game over a decade ago.
I have bought dozens of cheap minis off ebay over the last year, when the models are OOP, or models that have had the prices jacked up over the years (metals converted to Finecast). My desk is overflowing with ebay purchases. And they probably won't ever get painted (I still have models from 12 years ago that I haven't yet painted. )
"Fair price" pontification aside, I did actually check ebay just now to see if I can get them cheaper and theres a bundle for £27 of 8 Uruk hai, original Shagrat (mithril shirt) and a banner...But I already have Shagrat and the banner, and the 8 Uruk Hai are all duplicates of just 3 of the 6 available variants, so (I think) its worth paying £5 more with GW to get all 6 variants.
TL;DR. As much as I whinge and complain about GW, when I feel the price is fair (£8 per 3 model blisters of the old LOTR range, vs the £15 per 3 model blisters of the new Hobbit range) I'm still willing to buy direct from GW.
I'm not familiar with their Indians (wasn't even aware they'd released an Indians kit) but I really wasn't impressed with Wargames Factory's plastic Saxon Fyrd (unarmoured). Really poor rubbery detail. I much prefer Gripping Beast - better detail, and cheaper too.
I've assembled about 36/44 of the Gripping Beast Saxon Thegns (armoured), and I've got a box of the Dark Age Warriors (unarmoured) awaiting assembly. Whereas I assembled just 8 or so of the 32 WGF Saxon Fyrd and gave up, I hate them so much.
My list above comes in at 2000 even. Aragon can be swapped for Gandalf....give me some magic.
Below are some pics from my haul a month ago. Got all this for $130
Spoiler:
A pile of womt, fellowship borimir, borimir of the white tower, a dozen numenorian warriors, isldur, elendilx2, Aragorn, Gandalf, trebuchet, mounted banner, Gandalf the white, 4 rangers.
Pile of high elves, eledan, elohier, 2 banners, 2 captains, 6 metal spearmen, gilglad, arwen.
8 black numenorians, 7 nazgul, 1 twilight ringwraith.
15 corsairs, the dark marshal, saroun
box of about 100 evil models. Orcs urks and haradram
@Shadow Captain Edithae - fair enough, i suppose with something like that we must make the most of the situation while GW actually give us fair prices!!! "Have I told you the tale m'boy, when I was young and I bought something off Games Workshop without mortgaging a limb? I can hardly remember it now..."
@namiel - Aragorn is beast, but Gandalf is magic, decisions decisions! Looks like a pretty spectacular haul. How i would kill (metaphorically of course...) for all those High Elf metals. I've been chasing different lots for ages and the keep getting pinched before i can get them... My elves are still looking a bit lonely with just their plastic friends... Those Black Numenorians and Nazgul don't look common either! How I envy a good haul!
There was more and more I didn't have money for as well. I'm hoping people will bring it out for the next bazaar in the summer. My flgs does 2 bazaars and 2 auctions a year. We should be having an auction here soon.
expensive! The troops could and should be plastic: The laketown guard are the most expensive money wise compared to cheap in points models in the game at the moment! If that's not going backwards for the company helping the community i don't know what is!
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