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http://www.beastsofwar.com/the-hobbit/white-dwarf-leak-malekith-joins-warhammer-times/

Some new mirkwood sculpts to be released. As an avid wood elf player I'm jacked to see the rules on these guys and saddened to see them in clampacks.

What do you guys think? What else do you think will be next? Dwarf ram cav??

Just give me some kind of Smaug, damn it!

Shame to see even more finecast; Laketown Guard, Gundabad Orcs and these elves should all have been plastic. Looks like the Mirkwood spearmen/swordsmen will be FC as well.

I expect we'll see Dain, Ram cavalry, Bolg, armoured Azog, maybe new versions of the White Council and Sauron. To be honest, the Dwarf Cavalry are the only plastic I expect to see.

And do we really need another Legolas!? Although the foot version is a neat sculpt, when I can get over the fact he's using Orchrist.

As much as i'd love Smaug, I think it will be extortionately priced and the wrong scale. Although they might sell a new Bilbo with it to make more people get it...

It's a shame gw is becoming so focussed on Finecast, and I really don't think the dwarf cav will be plastic seeing as the new elf cavalry is finecast. Will probs be two dwarf rams in a clampack. I think new orcs and dwarfs plastics would be good as it would make it a lot easier to recreate BoFa, and it is rumoured there may be a redesign of plastic men for it. Guess we'll see.

Hopefully more thorins company will be released, though again don't expect this to be cheap. One thing we should expect is 12 'different' poses for Gandalf and Bilbo released each week...

I actually didn't really like the old DoS legolas so this is actually quite good for me. Very tempted to get him for use in lotr as well as hobbit. No real complaints about his pose yet, though the pics aren't too detailed

I could almost see a new Laketown Refugees set, depending on how many of their guard made it through Smaug's attack, as some of the previews show Bard leading a sort of ragtag militia band. But I think most of the releases will be finecast and/or character sets, at most there will be a couple of plastic sets. Orcs and Elves already have Finecast stuff, leaving Dwarves (who have 2 plastic sets) and men (who have one).

Did the alternate poses or Thorin's company shown in the AUJ rulebook ever get released? Of course, their costumes will be wrong at this point, but we might see them soon.

I have to say, I'm not very happy with the amount of fine cast that's going on in the hobbit releases. The price a are extortionate for them I can't see why a lot of the basic troops could be plastic. Especially the lake town guys !


I would be expecting more plastic releases because making a force of certain armies would be ludicrously expensive ! Well... Im hoping for more plastic releases

Laketown refugees is a nice idea, and considering that men is one of the five armies, i hope they get a better representation than finecast Laketown Guard. The amount of plastics from the first film would be good this time round, but considering last years releases i'm not hoping for too much.

The extra Thorin's company in AUJ have not yet been released and i have no idea if they will be. Could be a collecters set released sometime after the films?

GW finecast policy really is bad! They think by making an army of finecast troops means people will buy them more, which obviously isn't working! It is actually pushing people away from certain armies. This is slightly related to the 'is GW trolling the community' idea at the moment, but here they are making really good in game minis expensive! The troops could and should be plastic: The laketown guard are the most expensive money wise compared to cheap in points models in the game at the moment! If that's not going backwards for the company helping the community i don't know what is!

Been waiting for more plastics (and love) a good while now

I think its just easier and much much cheaper for GW to produce them in finecast. They dont expect to sell much of anything so the cheaper they can go while filling the obligation they have to the IP they will

It may be cheeper but realistically its pushing people away from buying any of the fine cast producta. I would have been tempted tpnbuy a lot of the models if they weren't so expensive ! Its still cheaper to buy models on eBay in the good old metal

Been saving up for these releases, I would have loved some new plastic box sets but, realistically, I expected finecast, the elves were the models I was most hoping for, and even a finecast mounted Legolas will be a lot cheaper than what the old metal one goes for on ebay, look forward to picking that up as well. My only worry is I'll blow all the money I've saved on these releases before anything else comes out

I can only assume that GW don't predict they will sell enough Hobbit miniatures to justify new plastics. Pity.

Was really hoping for some plastic elves too :(

Oh well. They all look great though.

Looks like we have the Armoured Thorin's Company next week:
http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/next-weeks-releases-complete-list.html

Hobbit
Balin the Dwarf, Dwalin the Dwarf, & Oin the Dwarf $40 3 miniatures online only
Kili the Dwarf, Fili the Dwarf, & Bofur the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Bombur the Dwarf, Bifur the Dwarf, & Ori the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Nori the Dwarf, Dori the Dwarf, & Gloin the Dwarf $40 3 Miniatures online only
Thorin Oakenshield, King Under the Mountain, & Bilbo Baggins, Master Burglar $30 2 Miniatures

I wouldn't often trust that site, but they have what looks like the correct 40k stuff on the list, so I guess it's accurate. Odd combos of Dwarves, but they could look good; Thorin in Thror's armour should be badass.

That's crazy expensive. I think the reason they have the dwarves arranged in those groupings is to maximize the number of packs you need to buy in order to have all the ones you actually want to play with (Dwalin, Gloin, Kili & Fili, and Thorin). Just those make you have to spend $150.

That's crazy expensive for those, but I find myself been sorely tempted to actually buy them !

Oh, Wolf. You and me both. :(

My poor budget...

About £120 for the lot... Pass.

Really expensive, really annoying groupings, really bad material. I really want these guys, this is not sarcastic, I think I actually might get them all if they look good. If not i'll just get most. Haven't splashed on GW for a while now but I think I will for these...

If the rumours are true that is...

I will end up getting at least 2 units of elves, 12 bows, 6 swords, 6 spears but as far as the rest i doubt ill buy much.

Release list confirmed:

The rules sections will dictate what I spend money on. I know ill have something but what i focus on will be what best suits what i have now

GW are really trying their best to kill The Hobbit off. I like a lot of the new models but I'm not buying them at those insane prices.

I get the feeling they just don't give a toss about it any more and will drop it as soon as the contract expires. It's served it's purpose and the now see it a weight around their neck.

It's a shame as it's a cracking little game and it deserves better. I'm picking up what I can and will keep it for long term usage.

It's a great game with many great models, GW should be ashamed.

True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.

I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.

The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.

It could well be something of a self-fulfilling prophecy; GW don't want Hobbit to do as well as LotR, so put prices up more and more until they are over double their equivalent older prices. Very few people but these, so the game dies off a bit, and GW are left with even lower sales than they 'wanted' and have even more reason to drip the game like a ten ton rock.

A real shame, though...

I think thats very true, by being overly cautious in regards to pushing the game they’ve ensured that it would be a failure.

Is it known how long exactly the license between GW and New Line is currently due to go on for?

Didn't this year's financial report mention that they would be losing a 'millstone around their neck'? I think we all know what that means.

I do wonder if they will at least keep the kits in production, or whether we'll be stuck with eBay and 2nd hand stuff...

 Paradigm wrote:
Didn't this year's financial report mention that they would be losing a 'millstone around their neck'? I think we all know what that means.

I do wonder if they will at least keep the kits in production, or whether we'll be stuck with eBay and 2nd hand stuff...

Yeah I seem to recall that being mentioned. Shame really as I thought we would get at least another year or so out of the game before it was dropped.

 LuciusAR wrote:
True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.

I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.

The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.

Even if GW got burned by the LOTR bubble bursting, I don't see any good reason why they wouldn't still want to exploit The Hobbit. Just because you get burned by one bubble bursting doesn't mean you should avoid other bubbles.

I doubt there's a company in the world that would be unhappy with getting a large influx in revenue and profits, even if it does only last 3 years (it's only bad when the company gets stupid and thinks it's going to last forever that they get burned).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 LuciusAR wrote:
True, but from GW's perspective I think they where scared of the Hobbit being a big success and they don’t want it to be so. They had a massive bubble cause by the LOTR explosion in the early 00's and whilst it brought a massive injection of cash into the company they handled it poorly and when the bubble inevitably deflated a couple of years after ROTK was released they panicked and didn’t know how to handle it, even though a slump was inevitable once the films had finished and they should have planned for it.

I think they were so keen to avoid the same mistake with the hobbit that they treated the game differently, keeping things on a much smaller scale and not really pushing it.

The fact that the Hobbit films haven't been as well received as the LOTR films may well be a factor in this as well. Every 12 year old was mad about LOTR back in the day whereas the Hobbit doesn’t seem to be quite the cultural phenomenon.

Even if GW got burned by the LOTR bubble bursting, I don't see any good reason why they wouldn't still want to exploit The Hobbit. Just because you get burned by one bubble bursting doesn't mean you should avoid other bubbles.

I doubt there's a company in the world that would be unhappy with getting a large influx in revenue and profits, even if it does only last 3 years (it's only bad when the company gets stupid and thinks it's going to last forever that they get burned).

Ash, but we're not talking about a normal company led by sane, rational people, this is GW!

It does seem odd they'd shy away from a short term cash injection (see 7th ed release, End Times ect). So I think it's more greed than anything else, and they must have thought that due to the success of LotR, they'd have a captive audience who would pay more and more... I saw on another forum that the sales of the DoS book were the 100s only, and it's easy to see how badly it's gone for them. Now we get a WD supplement and 3-man Finecast clampacks as GW just want to get rid of the game while clawing the last few pennies from those who can afford/are willing to collect every model.


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And some dubious rumours from Faeit, reposted from One Ring:
http://www.one-ring.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=29851

Lots of releases next week including some surprises. There are lots of hobbit releases, including Smaug. Smaug is extremely huge will be listed for expert modelers only. Of course he is going to cost you almost 500 dollars US, but this is a huge model standing over lots of gold and two columns with Bilbo hiding beneath

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GW will re-release the War of the Ring Game with a Battle of Five Armies Expansion for the Hobbit Miniatures. GW want to use the Ring War Ruleset for getting over to the end of the Licence in 2018. A remake of the skimisher system will not happening after the Lost of the Hobbit licence in 2016.

The "how to painting Citadel Miniatures" Book bears the Lotr Logo, it's not only because the Tutorials in the Guide feature no Hobbit models. GWs Hobbit licence runs only until Early 2016, the other runs until end of 2018. When GW loses the Hobbit licence, they must release a new Rulebook with only Lotr content and the Logo of it.

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Preorders are up, prices are obscene!

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/The-Hobbit?N=102297+4294967192&Nu=product.repositoryId&searchTerm=&sorting=phl

Undoubtedly, a great see if minis, but not worth £120 by any stretch of the imagination.