Not content with destroying valuable boxes of tea, not content with turning their backs on the greatest nation on Earth, not content with inflicting Jar Jar binks on us...
Medium of Death wrote: I can see why they'd attempt to stop superior British sweets getting into the country.
I'm not sure whether talking to Americans about this is the best course of action. They allow Hershey to continue by purchasing their foul products.
Clearly their minds are lost.
Burn the White House down again when?
Cadbury isn't really British anymore, they've changed! Johnny foreigner ruins everything!
In all seriousness Cadbury is part of a relatively big multinational now so won't this Lawsuit be a pretty big thing?
I know what you're saying. I too yearn for the days when the Royal Navy could sail up and down the Chesapeake, striking fear into the hearts of these mangy dogs
Like I said, I've tasted both and I cannot understand the love for Hershey. It's like comparing a flintlock musket to an AK47. Sure, they're both firearms, but you know which one you'd prefer in battle
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usernamesareannoying wrote: take that British chocolate and keep it over there, we don't want that stuff here in America.
god bless Hershey and god bless the USA!
but please do sneak some kit kats over... we're not totally crazy after all.
Is rejecting British chocolate the reason why Americans have superior dentistry to us?
Cadbury's cream eggs are the greatest chocolate product on this planet, but they do rot your teeth.
When it comes to beer, cheese, beard and chocolate, America isn't even in the same league as us
Too give America its due, they do make brilliant Pretzels. The day Snyder stop making pretzels, is the day I wrap myself in the stars and stripes, and take a trip to ISIS's heartland
Well, considering that the old Townsend acts really made the former British colonists upset, it makes sense that we have terrible chocolate that we allow you to have to get a taste of the intolerable cruelty that your social betters from long ago bestowed upon our ancestors.
But I digress. I have nothing but love for you guys.
I think it's pre-war dentistry that the American's best us at. Certainly with our free healthcare, thanks to our glorious NHS, it's hard to imagine it's nothing beyond a stereotype.
Toffee Crisps could be mistaken for those PBcups? I agree with the person in the article, someone's worryingly poor eyesight is of more concern than their mistaken purchase. I know there's a whole science behind how consumers shop, but do you guys really just shop by packaging colour and not name, weight, shape, or size? That's what Hershey is implying to me...
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the courts, we shall fight against the distributors that use the seas and oceans, we shall fight with the growing confidence and growing strength in air delivery, we shall defend our market share, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the small storefronts, we shall fight on the big box retailers, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the factory; we shall never surrender our sweets.
Like most things there are good US chocolates and good UK chocolates, just as there are bad ones.
Not really sure how one can be confused between chocolates/sweets and brands. Most people have eyes, and many of those people have functioning brains. But hey, good day for lawyers everywhere!
Like most things there are good US chocolates and good UK chocolates, just as there are bad ones.
Not really sure how one can be confused between chocolates/sweets and brands. Most people have eyes, and many of those people have functioning brains. But hey, good day for lawyers everywhere!
Personally, I think that sort of thing really is just an excuse to throw lawsuits around. So what if two companies use the same colour packaging? If one says a name other than the one I want, then I'm not going to buy it. Why? Because as Silver just said: I have eyes and a functioning (for the most part, anyway) brain.
I've lost count of the number of times I went to buy a black Ford and came away with a black Jeep; damn them being the same colour!
The reason that British chocolate is so tasty is because it's melting point is so close to room temperature that it begins to melt the minute you put it into your mouth. Unfortunately, this means that in the States, the average temperature is a lot higher, resulting in non-refrigerated chocolate melting on the shelves. So the ingredient composition has to be changed with a far higher proportion of sugar and no milk, to prevent it melting on the shop floor.
In other words, it really is nothing for Hersheys to be concerned about. British chocolate could never be sold en-masse to the American public due to its ingredients. But Hersheys, Mars, and the other chocolate producers of the States are continuously locked in a death grip for market share. They consider chocolate to be such serious business, that Games Workshop looks lighthanded by comparison. The chocolate industry is a fascinating one, and so cutthroat that actions like these do not surprise me.
Gitzbitah wrote: No force on Earth can keep Americans from eating chocolate.
Except the force at which we eat chocolate with keep us from eating chocolate, read and despair :
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There's no easy way to say this: You're eating too much chocolate, all of you. And it's getting so out of hand that the world could be headed towards a potentially disastrous (if you love chocolate) scenario if it doesn't stop.
Those are, roughly speaking, the words of two huge chocolate makers, Mars, Inc. and Barry Callebaut. And there's some data to back them up.
Chocolate deficits, whereby farmers produce less cocoa than the world eats, are becoming the norm. Already, we are in the midst of what could be the longest streak of consecutive chocolate deficits in more than 50 years. It also looks like deficits aren't just carrying over from year-to-year—the industry expects them to grow. Last year, the world ate roughly 70,000 metric tons more cocoa than it produced. By 2020, the two chocolate-makers warn that that number could swell to 1 million metric tons, a more than 14-fold increase; by 2030, they think the deficit could reach 2 million metric tons.
The problem is, for one, a supply issue. Dry weather in West Africa (specifically in the Ivory Coast and Ghana, where more than 70 percent of the world's cocoa is produced) has greatly decreased production in the region. A nasty fungal disease known as frosty pod hasn't helped either. The International Cocoa Organization estimates it has wiped out between 30 percent and 40 percent of global cocoa production. Because of all this, cocoa farming has proven a particularly tough business, and many farmers have shifted to more profitable crops, like corn, as a result.
Then there's the world's insatiable appetite for chocolate. China's growing love for the stuff is of particular concern. The Chinese are buying more and more chocolate each year. Still, they only consume per capita about 5 percent of what the average Western European eats. There's also the rising popularity of dark chocolate, which contains a good deal more cocoa by volume than traditional chocolate bars (the average chocolate bar contains about 10 percent, while dark chocolate often contains upwards of 70 percent).
For these reasons, cocoa prices have climbed by more than 60 percent since 2012, when people started eating more chocolate than the world could produce. And chocolate makers have, in turn, been forced to adjust by raising the price of their bars. Hershey's was the first, but others have followed suit.
Efforts to counter the growing imbalance between the amount of chocolate the world wants and the amount farmers can produce has inspired a bit of much needed innovation. Specifically, an agricultural research group in Central Africa is developing trees that can produce up to seven times the amount of beans traditional cocoa trees can. The uptick in efficiency, however, might be compromising taste, says Bloomberg's Mark Schatzker. He likens the trade-off to other mass-produced commodities.
Efforts are under way to make chocolate cheap and abundant -- in the process inadvertently rendering it as tasteless as today’s store-bought tomatoes, yet another food, along with chicken and strawberries, that went from flavorful to forgettable on the road to plenitude.
It's unclear anyone will mind a milder flavor if it keeps prices down. And the industry certainly won't mind, so long as it keeps the potential for a gargantuan shortage at bay.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why would you want American chocolate? Does it even have real sugar, or just more of that corn syrup stuff you force into everything? Eekh!!
The more I read about corn syrup, the more I fear for my teeth.
Ahtman wrote: We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the courts, we shall fight against the distributors that use the seas and oceans, we shall fight with the growing confidence and growing strength in air delivery, we shall defend our market share, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the small storefronts, we shall fight on the big box retailers, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the factory; we shall never surrender our sweets.
Agreed - that's the spirit!
I have nothing to offer but milk, sugar, and cocoa solids
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why would you want American chocolate? Does it even have real sugar, or just more of that corn syrup stuff you force into everything? Eekh!!
The more I read about corn syrup, the more I fear for my teeth.
Regular Sugar feths up your teeth just as much as corn syrup.
The issue with corn syrup, is that it's so fething prevalent in everything we eat/drink.
No force on Earth can keep Americans from eating chocolate.
Exactly - even your founding fathers knew the importance of British chocolate to the nation:
A well fed Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear British chocolate, shall not be infringed.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Why would you want American chocolate? Does it even have real sugar, or just more of that corn syrup stuff you force into everything? Eekh!!
The more I read about corn syrup, the more I fear for my teeth.
Regular Sugar feths up your teeth just as much as corn syrup.
The issue with corn syrup, is that it's so fething prevalent in everything we eat/drink.
American sugar feths your teeth up. British sugar is a source of calcium, zinc, Vitamin D, and promotes good oral hygiene. So there!
Ketara wrote: The reason that British chocolate is so tasty is because it's melting point is so close to room temperature that it begins to melt the minute you put it into your mouth. Unfortunately, this means that in the States, the average temperature is a lot higher, resulting in non-refrigerated chocolate melting on the shelves. So the ingredient composition has to be changed with a far higher proportion of sugar and no milk, to prevent it melting on the shop floor.
In other words, it really is nothing for Hersheys to be concerned about. British chocolate could never be sold en-masse to the American public due to its ingredients. But Hersheys, Mars, and the other chocolate producers of the States are continuously locked in a death grip for market share. They consider chocolate to be such serious business, that Games Workshop looks lighthanded by comparison. The chocolate industry is a fascinating one, and so cutthroat that actions like these do not surprise me.
For years, I wondered why there was a taste difference, but I read something similar to what your saying, and even the science is on Britain's side.
Leaving jingoism aside reading the article I can see the argument to an extent. Hershey is the US producer of Cadbury. They use pretty much the exact same branding and packaging as the UK items. Having the two non-identically produced products, with the same packaging and brand name, sharing a market could cause obvious confusion for the consumer.
The Hershey company has in fact been lobbying (unsuccessfully) to have the FDA redefine "chocolate" such that they could substitute vegetable oil for cocoa butter. So they'e pretty hell-bent on destroying the idea of chocolate domestically, as well as overseas.
Ouze wrote: The Hershey company has in fact been lobbying (unsuccessfully) to have the FDA redefine "chocolate" such that they could substitute vegetable oil for cocoa butter. So they'e pretty hell-bent on destroying the idea of chocolate domestically, as well as overseas.
That doesn't surprise me. To be fair, some of their stuff is ok, but you can't beat that fresh milk taste of genuine Cadbury's chocolate.
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OIIIIIIO wrote: We already ran the riff raff out of our country once .... time to do it again I suppose!
We never lost to the Americans, we lost to the French navy, and seeing as we got payback on them at Waterloo, I'd call the American revolution a score draw
Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm seriously tempted to get a boat, row across the Atlantic, and introduce my boot to the rear of the Hershey's CEO for this outrage.
But I'd probably get gunned down. Damn that second amendment
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: That doesn't surprise me. To be fair, some of their stuff is ok, but you can't beat that fresh milk taste of genuine Cadbury's chocolate.
At what point can you still claim a "fresh" milk taste in a mass produced and manufactured product?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm seriously tempted to get a boat, row across the Atlantic, and introduce my boot to the rear of the Hershey's CEO for this outrage.
But I'd probably get gunned down. Damn that second amendment
I know. Such inconsiderate people who don't like being assaulted by complete strangers.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: That doesn't surprise me. To be fair, some of their stuff is ok, but you can't beat that fresh milk taste of genuine Cadbury's chocolate.
At what point can you still claim a "fresh" milk taste in a mass produced and manufactured product?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: I'm seriously tempted to get a boat, row across the Atlantic, and introduce my boot to the rear of the Hershey's CEO for this outrage.
But I'd probably get gunned down. Damn that second amendment
I know. Such inconsiderate people who don't like being assaulted by complete strangers.
You obviously have no idea how Cadbury's is made. I've seen the advert, and in that advert, the cows are brought home at night, milked by some attractive looking milk maids, and the milk is then helicoptered to the factory, where oompa loopas make it there and then, and have it in the shops 5 minutes before you walk in. There's nothing mass produced about it
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: When it comes to beer, cheese, beard and chocolate, America isn't even in the same league as us
We're only not in the same league if by American beer, cheese and bread, you're only considering Budweiser, American cheese (which isn't even real cheese) and Wonder Bread.
If you take into account our craft breweries, actual cheese from an actual farm, and quality bread made with whole grains instead of nasty white flour, we're quite capable in the league of beer and food. Plus, we brought the world cornbread. You're welcome.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: You obviously have no idea how Cadbury's is made. I've seen the advert, and in that advert, the cows are brought home at night, milked by some attractive looking milk maids, and the milk is then helicoptered to the factory, where oompa loopas make it there and then, and have it in the shops 5 minutes before you walk in. There's nothing mass produced about it
So how would you import it then with such a labour intensive process, and still keep it fresh?
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: You obviously have no idea how Cadbury's is made. I've seen the advert, and in that advert, the cows are brought home at night, milked by some attractive looking milk maids, and the milk is then helicoptered to the factory, where oompa loopas make it there and then, and have it in the shops 5 minutes before you walk in. There's nothing mass produced about it
So how would you import it then with such a labour intensive process, and still keep it fresh?
There is one way:
Spoiler:
Cadbury have their chocolate fingers in many pies; I'm sure they have their own mystical ways of working, spoken about only in Wispas.
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote: You obviously have no idea how Cadbury's is made. I've seen the advert, and in that advert, the cows are brought home at night, milked by some attractive looking milk maids, and the milk is then helicoptered to the factory, where oompa loopas make it there and then, and have it in the shops 5 minutes before you walk in. There's nothing mass produced about it
So how would you import it then with such a labour intensive process, and still keep it fresh?
There is one way:
Spoiler:
Cadbury have their chocolate fingers in many pies; I'm sure they have their own mystical ways of working, spoken about only in Wispas.
What I wanted to say, but a million times better. Have an exalt
Iron_Captain wrote: Tsk... British chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate. Swiss or Belgian chocolate is what you should eat.
Belgian chocolate is good, but that tends to be because the Belgian chocolate you buy abroad isn't mass produced in the same way as a Cadburys bar. If you go to a proper craft chocolate maker in Britain, they use the same ingredients, and the results are just as good. We just don't tend to export craft chocolate.
Iron_Captain wrote: Tsk... British chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate. Swiss or Belgian chocolate is what you should eat.
I bet Russian chocolate is great, right...?
Looks deli... terrifying.
Yea, Krasny Oktaybr chocolate is like all consumer goods mass produced in the Soviet Union. Absolute crap. They say the girl on the front is Stalin's daughter though.
Russia does have better chocolate though. Rossiya chocolate is very good, and so is Babayevsky
Man, this angers me. I can't stand the vast majority of American chocolate. It's way too sweet. The few times a year I'm actually in the mood for chocolate, I usually try to look for something imported, and that's really not easy to begin with.
One of my coworkers went with her husband over to the Czech Republic, and brought back chocolate from there, and gave me some. That stuff was amazing.
I'm glad we started making good beer. I wish we could have nice things otherwise.
Mass produced British chocolate like Yorkie bars or Cadbury's Dairy Milk tends to be relatively low on the cocoa mass and high on sugar compared to the more expensive brands.
That reminds me of an amusing story. Many years ago I had a job at a supplier of LPG fuel systems for cars. One of my duties was helping to unload the deliveries.
At the time, Yorkie bars were advertised on TV with a tough, handsome lorry driver, a bit like the Marlboro Man only it was a modern lorry and a chocolate bar rather than cigarettes.
One day a lorry arrived and we got it all unloaded, then the driver said he had better get his Yorkie out and to my surprise he handed down a small terrier from the cab.
If you think Hershey's chocolate is bad, do not ever visit their amusement park. That place positively reeks of the stuff.
That said, I had my first kiss on the observation 'Kissing' tower there back in the mid '80s. All subsequent memories of women and chocolate go downhill for me starting from then.
Oh, and if you want to see Pennsylvania at it's best, watch the 'Office'. I know there is a British prequel, but that was just a test run for the greatness that followed. Kinda like art imitating history, if you will.
Da krimson barun wrote: What country is Galaxy from? And Those American monsters don't know what food is.Any country that throws away tea has no sense of taste.
Its a bit rich to rag on American food tastes when its British cuisine that's in our crosshairs.
No way is American food worse than British food, the culinary palate that had to conquer 1/4 of the globe just to get on par with everyone else.
Da krimson barun wrote: What country is Galaxy from? And Those American monsters don't know what food is.Any country that throws away tea has no sense of taste.
Its a bit rich to rag on American food tastes when its British cuisine that's in our crosshairs.
No way is American food worse than British food, the culinary palate that had to conquer 1/4 of the globe just to get on par with everyone else.
What's wrong with British food exactly?
I've heard it stated a lot but haven't been given anything solid to go on?
Its quite bland due to lack of indigenous spices. It also makes excessive use of boiling as a method of cooking, which destroys a lot of flavor. Pickling was also a preferred method of food preservation, and that also destroys a lot of flavors.
Modern cooking methods, access to more spices, and refrigeration have fixed a lot of the problems, but if you were to make food the traditional method with 100% authentic ingredients you would see a much blander array of flavors.
Its a stereotype for sure, but its got a lot of truth to it.
Grey Templar wrote: Its quite bland due to lack of indigenous spices. It also makes excessive use of boiling as a method of cooking, which destroys a lot of flavor. Pickling was also a preferred method of food preservation, and that also destroys a lot of flavors.
Modern cooking methods, access to more spices, and refrigeration have fixed a lot of the problems, but if you were to make food the traditional method with 100% authentic ingredients you would see a much blander array of flavors.
Its a stereotype for sure, but its got a lot of truth to it.
That is true for almost all European cuisine, not just the British.
Grey Templar wrote: Its quite bland due to lack of indigenous spices. It also makes excessive use of boiling as a method of cooking, which destroys a lot of flavor. Pickling was also a preferred method of food preservation, and that also destroys a lot of flavors.
Modern cooking methods, access to more spices, and refrigeration have fixed a lot of the problems, but if you were to make food the traditional method with 100% authentic ingredients you would see a much blander array of flavors.
Its a stereotype for sure, but its got a lot of truth to it.
That's...a load of bollocks, frankly.
For a start, the whole "they boil everything" thing is nonsense. It would be vaguely applicable if we're talking about medieval peasant farmers, but even then stewing would be far more common than boiling.
Secondly, "lack of indigenous spices" does not necessitate blandness, Northern Europe may only have around a quarter to a third of the spices that most other regions of the world do, but there's a wide array of native herbs. We've also had access to Mediterranean and Middle Eastern herbs and spices since the time of the bloody Roman Empire ffs, you talk as if we only just figured out how to use an oven a couple of years ago. Christ on a bike, we've had access to "modern cooking methods" and "more spices" for longer than your nation has existed, and refrigeration for just as long.
Seriously, what other countries have their entire culinary history all the way up to the modern day judged on the basis of semi-accurate stereotypes of peasant dishes from over a thousand years ago?
Bran Dawri wrote: Speaking as an outsider, why would you want either cadbury's or hershey's?
Although the British one is a little better, both are outclassed on all fronts by both Belgian and Swiss chocolates.
As with most things, the mass produced stuff is often outclassed by the more boutique stuff.
America has a terrible reputation for beet, yet there are plenty of (apparently) excellent micro breweries all over the place that will give the best from anywhere else a run for its money. Hell, most beer you might find in England is terrible too, and is actually mass produced in Europe
And we all know that the Australians export Fosters so they can keep the good stuff for their koala overlords
As an American who has eaten in Britain, I can say I found the food delicious- in the case of a full English breakfast, somewhat inappropriately placed, but delicious.
Tomatoes, baked beans, and mushrooms just don't scream breakfast to me. Pancakes and waffles work much better.
Fish and chips beats a burger most any day, and pub food is outstanding.
British food tends to be a bit stodgy and on the carb-heavy side of things. Such dishes take a bit of skill to develop to their full potential; or to paraphrase MasterChef; 'Anyone can make lobster or chocolate taste really good, it takes an artist to do it with bangers and mash'.
If ingredients are properly sourced, and food skillfully cooked however, a British roast dinner or steak and kidney pie with chips can be as tasty as 99% of any other national foodstuffs. And usually a bit more filling to boot.
Tomatoes, baked beans, and mushrooms just don't scream breakfast to me. Pancakes and waffles work much better.
See they entirely scream breakfast to me, as opposed to the cream and fruit and syrup covered desserts I see people starting their days with over here...
RiTides wrote: Love the OP. I for one welcome the "British Invasion" (my wife has gotten me into Downton Abbey already, so what's some chocolate ).
In all honesty, this could be the greatest foreign policy blunder the Americans have committed since the Vietnam war. These aggressive actions will only serve to push us into the friendly sphere of China, a peace loving nation that would never ban British chocolate
RiTides wrote: Love the OP. I for one welcome the "British Invasion" (my wife has gotten me into Downton Abbey already, so what's some chocolate ).
In all honesty, this could be the greatest foreign policy blunder the Americans have committed since the Vietnam war. These aggressive actions will only serve to push us into the friendly sphere of China, a peace loving nation that would never ban British chocolate
Well, they did ban the last lot of tastey treats we tried to flood their market with... though it was nowhere near addictive as chocolate
Gitzbitah wrote: As an American who has eaten in Britain, I can say I found the food delicious- in the case of a full English breakfast, somewhat inappropriately placed, but delicious.
Tomatoes, baked beans, and mushrooms just don't scream breakfast to me. Pancakes and waffles work much better.
Fish and chips beats a burger most any day, and pub food is outstanding.
Next time you're over try the Scottish version of a cooked breakfast; bacon, lorne sausage, eggs, tattie scones, black pudding, sometimes something called fruit pudding(better than it sounds), occasionally beans, brown sauce to taste. It drops any pretense of being a balanced meal(seriously, a few fried mushrooms and a fried tomato is not "one of your five a day" people ), the fruit pudding adds the sweet element that some American breakfasts seem to have, and "filling" doesn't even come close to describing the result
Iron_Captain wrote: Tsk... British chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate. Swiss or Belgian chocolate is what you should eat.
Yeah I read that Cadbury's has such a low cacao content that it technically isn't even chocolate. However, Hershey's tastes like somebody left a bar of Cadbury's in the back of the cupboard for about 10 years. Belgian chocs are amazing, but they're a bit too rich to eat by the Kilo, which is what some of us require to maintain 100% blood sugar saturation.
Iron_Captain wrote: Tsk... British chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate. Swiss or Belgian chocolate is what you should eat.
Yeah I read that Cadbury's has such a low cacao content that it technically isn't even chocolate. However, Hershey's tastes like somebody left a bar of Cadbury's in the back of the cupboard for about 10 years. Belgian chocs are amazing, but they're a bit too rich to eat by the Kilo, which is what some of us require to maintain 100% blood sugar saturation.
That's actually sort of the idea.
That distinctive Hershey's flavor is caused by oxidation of fatty acids in the milk solids of the chocolate. If you leave chocolate sitting around it develops that flavor, which is also why Buttermilk tastes good.
RiTides wrote: Love the OP. I for one welcome the "British Invasion" (my wife has gotten me into Downton Abbey already, so what's some chocolate ).
In all honesty, this could be the greatest foreign policy blunder the Americans have committed since the Vietnam war. These aggressive actions will only serve to push us into the friendly sphere of China, a peace loving nation that would never ban British chocolate
Well, they did ban the last lot of tastey treats we tried to flood their market with... though it was nowhere near addictive as chocolate
Besides, why not just steal the labeling and produce cheap knockoff chocolate?
Ive had real Cadburys... stuffs crap. Real Kit Kats are pretty good. Swiss/Belgian/German chocoalates are very, very nice, but hands down the best chocolates I have EVER had have been from Latin America.
As for food, traditional English cuisine is rather bland and boring, most of the good stuff being made these days(much like in the USA - traditional American cuisine is similarly bland and boring) the result of experimentation and overseas influence. That being said, I vastly prefer English cuisine to French cuisine. Really, I cant find much of anything about french cuisine that I actually enjoy.
I can attest to the superiority of British candies and sweets in general.
Buy a pack of skittles in NA, its ok i guess, buy one in the UK and its awesome.
North America is losing out on squash drink mixes as well.
Even the japanese are over taking NA in sweet technology, you really need to try green tea or machta kit kats if you havnt, some asian import stores or super markets have them
Iron_Captain wrote: Tsk... British chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate. Swiss or Belgian chocolate is what you should eat.
Yeah I read that Cadbury's has such a low cacao content that it technically isn't even chocolate. However, Hershey's tastes like somebody left a bar of Cadbury's in the back of the cupboard for about 10 years. Belgian chocs are amazing, but they're a bit too rich to eat by the Kilo, which is what some of us require to maintain 100% blood sugar saturation.
There was a push in the EU by some chocolate makers to have Cadburys blocked from being called and sold as chocolate. However this was purely a marketing thing in an attempt to cut Cadburys dominance.
However, Cadbury do apparently reclaim a lot of the coco used in producing the chocolate and sell it on to other companies.
Colcannon and boiled bacon is a pretty good meal! Especially if it comes with boiled cabbage. The salt from the bacon flavours the cabbage wonderfully. And we've got some great fish dishes that aren't well known outside the country.
We're not the italians or anything, but it's not all terrible!
Da Boss wrote: Colcannon and boiled bacon is a pretty good meal! Especially if it comes with boiled cabbage. The salt from the bacon flavours the cabbage wonderfully. And we've got some great fish dishes that aren't well known outside the country.
We're not the italians or anything, but it's not all terrible!
Mmm, cabbage. I'm convinced most of the people who whinge about "flavourless" European food have just burnt out most of their tastebuds with too much spicy stuff, to the point they can't actually taste anything else anymore.
Da Boss wrote: Colcannon and boiled bacon is a pretty good meal! Especially if it comes with boiled cabbage. The salt from the bacon flavours the cabbage wonderfully. And we've got some great fish dishes that aren't well known outside the country.
We're not the italians or anything, but it's not all terrible!
Mmm, cabbage. I'm convinced most of the people who whinge about "flavourless" European food have just burnt out most of their tastebuds with too much spicy stuff, to the point they can't actually taste anything else anymore.
Or it's just people who have truly experienced food from other cultures, and know what flavor really is.
Da Boss wrote: Colcannon and boiled bacon is a pretty good meal! Especially if it comes with boiled cabbage. The salt from the bacon flavours the cabbage wonderfully. And we've got some great fish dishes that aren't well known outside the country.
We're not the italians or anything, but it's not all terrible!
Yup, or;
- full Irish breakfast
- boxties
- Irish salmon
- Irish lamb
- mussels and Guinness
- soda bread
Da krimson barun wrote: What country is Galaxy from? And Those American monsters don't know what food is.Any country that throws away tea has no sense of taste.
Its a bit rich to rag on American food tastes when its British cuisine that's in our crosshairs.
No way is American food worse than British food, the culinary palate that had to conquer 1/4 of the globe just to get on par with everyone else.
First:Look at the flag.Notice how it is green white and orange and not red white and blue(And only people from Ireland,Canada,Scotland,Australia,New Zealand and some parts of Africa and the middle east are allowed to make jokes about British invasions!) Secondly: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Da krimson barun wrote: First:Look at the flag.Notice how it is green white and orange and not red white and blue(And only people from Ireland,Canada,Scotland,Australia,New Zealand and some parts of Africa and the middle east are allowed to make jokes about British invasions!) Secondly: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Da krimson barun wrote: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Sounds about right to me. There are some countries that are renowned for their culinary arts, that might have a right to poke some fun at British food, but America isn't one of them. If you were to take British food, mass produce it using all freeze dried ingredients, add a shed load of salt, colouring, high fructose corn syrup, GM grain, and a couple of FDA approved carcinogens for good measure and "extra-large" it. That's basically what American food is.
Da krimson barun wrote: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Sounds about right to me. There are some countries that are renowned for their culinary arts, that might have a right to poke some fun at British food, but America isn't one of them. If you were to take British food, mass produce it using all freeze dried ingredients, add a shed load of salt, colouring, high fructose corn syrup, GM grain, and a couple of FDA approved carcinogens for good measure and "extra-large" it. That's basically what American food is.
Thats really not far from the truth... although worth noting that there is a huge difference between 'traditional American' cuisine and 'new American' cuisine. Difference would be a bit of an understatement actually, as the new American style is more or less a conscious rejection of everything that made traditional American what it is.
Da krimson barun wrote: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Sounds about right to me. There are some countries that are renowned for their culinary arts, that might have a right to poke some fun at British food, but America isn't one of them. If you were to take British food, mass produce it using all freeze dried ingredients, add a shed load of salt, colouring, high fructose corn syrup, GM grain, and a couple of FDA approved carcinogens for good measure and "extra-large" it. That's basically what American food is.
Da Boss wrote: Colcannon and boiled bacon is a pretty good meal! Especially if it comes with boiled cabbage. The salt from the bacon flavours the cabbage wonderfully. And we've got some great fish dishes that aren't well known outside the country.
We're not the italians or anything, but it's not all terrible!
Mmm, cabbage. I'm convinced most of the people who whinge about "flavourless" European food have just burnt out most of their tastebuds with too much spicy stuff, to the point they can't actually taste anything else anymore.
Or it's just people who have truly experienced food from other cultures, and know what flavor really is.
Pfff, please, we were experiencing food from other cultures(usually after invading them) before America was a gleam in your Founding Fathers' eyes
Seriously though, there's at least one Indian takeaway in every settlement in the UK with more than six residents, and I can literally walk downstairs from my flat and find Indian takeaway, Chinese takeaway, a Cantonese restaurant, a Vietnamese restaurant, and a pizza place run by your actual grumpy old Italian patriarch(complete with occasional loud shouting matches with the wife & kids). I can order food to my door from all of those plus Polish, Nigerian, Mexican, French(fancy), French(traditional/peasant), American(soul food), American(Cajun), Malaysian, Nepalese, Lebanese, Thai, and Mongolian. And I don't live in the middle of a big city or anything.
This idea that people in the UK just sit around eating nothing but boiled cabbage, boiled salt-pork, potatoes, and mustard while bitching about the French is one of the most tired stereotypes out there.
Hershey's objection is not to Engliosh chocolate, but English brands of which Hershey has bought the exclusive US license. This is far more reasonable than first presented.
The answer is to proliferate in the US brands not related to Hershey's.
Thorntons and Green & Blacks is the best choice for importers. Green & Blacks has already been bought out by an American company anyway.
Thorntons manufactures traditional English chocolate with high milk content, Green & Blacks prize themselves on going the other way and maximising cocoa solids, exceeding even the levels found in continental chocolate.
Because of the way the EU thinks there were plans to prevent the UK confectioners from even calling English chocolate chocolate because it doesn't have the same % of cocoa solids as continental chocolate. This one was fought off successfully as there is no single true definition of chocolate and the continental style is therefore not definitive. It was IMHO just a protectionist move by Belgian confectioners.
Though 'fries' proliferate as a name in parts of the fast food industry, mainly on the grounds that they are not actually made of potato and are therefore not chips. McDonalds doesn't complain at that as the legislation and its own marketing neatly dovetail.
If in Japan they would start a lawsuit, that i couldn't get my Gouda cheese at costco, that surely mean that i have to contact my contacts in the Dutch government to declare war on Japan, Nothing keeps a Dutchman from his beloved Dutch cheese!
Orlanth wrote: Hershey's objection is not to Engliosh chocolate, but English brands of which Hershey has bought the exclusive US license. This is far more reasonable than first presented.
The answer is to proliferate in the US brands not related to Hershey's.
Thorntons and Green & Blacks is the best choice for importers. Green & Blacks has already been bought out by an American company anyway.
Thorntons manufactures traditional English chocolate with high milk content, Green & blacksprice thmselves on gojn g the other way and maximising cooca solids, exceeding even the levls found in continental chocolate.
Because of the way the EE thinks there were plans to prevent the UK confectioners from even calling English chocolate chocolate because it doesn't have the same % of cocoa solids as continental chocolate. This one was fought off successfully as there is no single true definition of chocolate and the continental style is therefore not definitive. It was IMHO just a protectionist move by Belgian confectioners.
Though 'fries' proliferate as a name in parts of the fast food industry, mainly on the grounds that they are not actually made of potato and are therefore not chips. McDonalds doesn't complain at that as the legislation and its own marketing neatly dovetail.
Don't go bringing your logic and rational thinking onto dakka - facts and reasoned debate are not welcome! And don't you forget it!
I'm disappointed to hear that those damn Yankees have gotten their hands on Green & Blacks - I love their stuff.
This is pushing me over the edge. I'm toying with the idea of Britain allying with Iran and Putin - somebody has to stand up to the great Satan, they've gone too far this time
You would think that a country that inflicted Wesley Crusher on the world would have died of shame by now
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mitch_rifle wrote: Neither cadbury's or hershey is actually chocolate, ive consumed both
But since i now make my own real animal product free raw chocolate i honestly cant help but laugh at the utter gak people pass off as chocolate.
Even more humorous is when ive gone to those fancy chocolate places and sampled their stuff, still just dairy and sugar loaded crap.
Is this hardcore Aussie chocolate made from snake's venom and spider eggs?
mitch_rifle wrote: Neither cadbury's or hershey is actually chocolate, ive consumed both
But since i now make my own real animal product free raw chocolate i honestly cant help but laugh at the utter gak people pass off as chocolate.
Even more humorous is when ive gone to those fancy chocolate places and sampled their stuff, still just dairy and sugar loaded crap.
Damned Hippy!
The Queen invented those juicy animals herself just to go in Chocolate!
Back on Topic, in years past I would have happily set fire to a Pitch fork and run naked at the US embassy in protest at such an outrage but alas I now find I am not happy wit Cadbury's.
As part of the Kraft organisation they have changed much in the last year or so. The bars are laughably small, prices increased and the creame egg is not Dairy Milk! You now get about 4 giant buttons in one of those big bags so they have angered the next generation too (I've seen my six year old sharpening legos for the coming ChoccoWar).
This is pushing me over the edge. I'm toying with the idea of Britain allying with Iran and Putin - somebody has to stand up to the great Satan, they've gone too far this time
....And their 'wiener dogs', their 'world league' and what they call 'football' and that donkey piddle they dare label as "beer".
mitch_rifle wrote: Neither cadbury's or hershey is actually chocolate, ive consumed both
But since i now make my own real animal product free raw chocolate i honestly cant help but laugh at the utter gak people pass off as chocolate.
Even more humorous is when ive gone to those fancy chocolate places and sampled their stuff, still just dairy and sugar loaded crap.
Damned Hippy!
The Queen invented those juicy animals herself just to go in Chocolate!
Back on Topic, in years past I would have happily set fire to a Pitch fork and run naked at the US embassy in protest at such an outrage but alas I now find I am not happy wit Cadbury's.
As part of the Kraft organisation they have changed much in the last year or so. The bars are laughably small, prices increased and the creame egg is not Dairy Milk! You now get about 4 giant buttons in one of those big bags so they have angered the next generation too (I've seen my six year old sharpening legos for the coming ChoccoWar).
One of the main things I'm infuriated by is the fact that multipacks of Dairy Milk bars are now in packs of three instead of four, for no real change in price, and they're never on offer anymore.
Da krimson barun wrote: Any Country that can leave Hersheys with a seven billion Dollar yearly Profit,produce KFC,Mcdonalds AND as mentioned previously throw away TEA, has no sense of taste.
Sounds about right to me. There are some countries that are renowned for their culinary arts, that might have a right to poke some fun at British food, but America isn't one of them. If you were to take British food, mass produce it using all freeze dried ingredients, add a shed load of salt, colouring, high fructose corn syrup, GM grain, and a couple of FDA approved carcinogens for good measure and "extra-large" it. That's basically what American food is.
But much like the story of the two guys in the woods with the bear...we only have to outrun you. And in the court of world opinion, we generally do that.
People mock American food even as they consume it. People mock British food and choose to avoid it.
Oh OK, so it's vile bitter stuff that leaves a horrible film in your mouth like the one you get after vomiting. There's a reason the ratio of "crap" to fancy "99.999% cocoa REAL chocolate" on the shelves is about 500:1 - the sugar and milk makes it taste good. Really dark chocolate is only useful for cooking.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh OK, so it's vile bitter stuff that leaves a horrible film in your mouth like the one you get after vomiting. There's a reason the ratio of "crap" to fancy "99.999% cocoa REAL chocolate" on the shelves is about 500:1 - the sugar and milk makes it taste good. Really dark chocolate is only useful for cooking.
Da krimson barun wrote: What country is Galaxy from? And Those American monsters don't know what food is.Any country that throws away tea has no sense of taste.
Its a bit rich to rag on American food tastes when its British cuisine that's in our crosshairs.
No way is American food worse than British food, the culinary palate that had to conquer 1/4 of the globe just to get on par with everyone else.
What's wrong with British food exactly?
I've heard it stated a lot but haven't been given anything solid to go on?
Yodhrin wrote: Oh OK, so it's vile bitter stuff that leaves a horrible film in your mouth like the one you get after vomiting. There's a reason the ratio of "crap" to fancy "99.999% cocoa REAL chocolate" on the shelves is about 500:1 - the sugar and milk makes it taste good. Really dark chocolate is only useful for cooking.
Yodhrin wrote: Oh OK, so it's vile bitter stuff that leaves a horrible film in your mouth like the one you get after vomiting. There's a reason the ratio of "crap" to fancy "99.999% cocoa REAL chocolate" on the shelves is about 500:1 - the sugar and milk makes it taste good. Really dark chocolate is only useful for cooking.
It's pretty good in chili, or with coffee also
Chocolate in coffee? It'll never catch on.
Good thing I said "with coffee", and not in coffee then
This is pushing me over the edge. I'm toying with the idea of Britain allying with Iran and Putin - somebody has to stand up to the great Satan, they've gone too far this time
....And their 'wiener dogs', their 'world league' and what they call 'football' and that donkey piddle they dare label as "beer".
Will Wheaton is fairly cool, in a contrary nerdy way. But kids on operational warships
Orlanth, how dare you!
Pre-pubertal midshipmen, powder monkeys and bullet sharks are what made the Royal Navy great!
That was then. However Picard was not the 'twenty lashes to be inflicted during defaulters at eight bells' type.
Also those young sailors you mentioned werent 'kids' for example:
