Chicago had a lot of weight to shed. I think we're going to see some drastically different playing fields this year.
Preditions. Carolina and Edmonton are the the basement dwellers for their conferences.
Automatically Appended Next Post: There is also word that Detroit is hammering out a deal with Brad Richards.
This is leading to the speculation that we'll be seeing a large trade taking place in the near future, since we are already full up on Centers and Defensemen, before the signings today.
Leafs have shipped Fill Kessel off to the Penguins, (along with Biggs and another player + a 2nd round 2016 pick), for a couple young prospects including Pit's 1st rounder from last year's draft + a 3rd round 2016 pick and a conditional 1st round pick...
Toronto is also eating up 15% of his salary as well, so they end up clearing roughly 6 mil in cap space for themselves all told.
The Saad deal made sense, he wanted 6.5 per year for 5 years, the hawks had 7 mil in cap space. It made no sense, while saad is a good potentially great player he wasn't worth putting the hawks further into cap hell. Plus the players they got back filled needs especially 2nd line center and shooting wing.
Yeah it sounds like there was little communication between him and his agent. The agent went hard for the money and while I can't blame him for that, getting your money, leaving a team with the potential for another few cups in the next 7 years or so? Especially when all he had to do was sign a bridge deal and he was going to get paid later.
I can actually say that Sweeney made some INCREDIBLE moves so far this off season for the Bruins. Trading Hamilton, Soderberg, Smith and Lucic away was a ballsy move but it looks like it may pay off. Right now the Bruins lack a good top 4 defenseman or two but otherwise the team is shaping up well.
Experiment 626 wrote: Leafs have shipped Fill Kessel off to the Penguins, (along with Biggs and another player + a 2nd round 2016 pick), for a couple young prospects including Pit's 1st rounder from last year's draft + a 3rd round 2016 pick and a conditional 1st round pick...
Toronto is also eating up 15% of his salary as well, so they end up clearing roughly 6 mil in cap space for themselves all told.
Enjoy the Pillsberry Doughboy Penguin fans!
From the Pens' perspective, they got the best player in the trade -- a winger who might score 40 goals on Crosby's line -- at a salary discount, while giving up a forward who might not ever be better than a 3rd line player, and NOT giving up either of their top 2 young defensemen. The 1st rounder hurts, but it's lottery protected, IIRC. Seems like it's mostly a salary dump on Toronto's part, because what they got in return doesn't exactly look like a bounty.
Experiment 626 wrote: Leafs have shipped Fill Kessel off to the Penguins, (along with Biggs and another player + a 2nd round 2016 pick), for a couple young prospects including Pit's 1st rounder from last year's draft + a 3rd round 2016 pick and a conditional 1st round pick...
Toronto is also eating up 15% of his salary as well, so they end up clearing roughly 6 mil in cap space for themselves all told.
Enjoy the Pillsberry Doughboy Penguin fans!
From the Pens' perspective, they got the best player in the trade -- a winger who might score 40 goals on Crosby's line -- at a salary discount, while giving up a forward who might not ever be better than a 3rd line player, and NOT giving up either of their top 2 young defensemen. The 1st rounder hurts, but it's lottery protected, IIRC. Seems like it's mostly a salary dump on Toronto's part, because what they got in return doesn't exactly look like a bounty.
True, but the real make-or-break part of this deal is how the Pens can deal with a guy who's turned out to be incredibly toxic to his teammates... Fill's admitted he skated only 8 times last off-season - and it showed big time throughout the season.
He's been routinely lackadaisical and disinterested when doing absolutely ANYTHING beyond his trademark, 'fly down the wing, shoot for the corners' play. And he can't handle any kind of even remote scrutiny without turning into a pouting 4 year old throwing a tantrum...
Kessel really has shown himself to be a lazy, spoiled superstar who relies entirely on raw talent instead of working hard for success. (hence why Leafs Nation for the most part is overjoyed to see his over-priced, fat arse bounced from the franchise).
I just think the Pens have taken in a huge risk. Sure he *likely* won't face the same scrutiny with the Pens, but then, *if* he plays on Sid's line, he's likely to be in almost as big a spotlight to produce 30-40+ goals. (and we know how well Kessel just looooooooves dealing the media )
The best thing Kessel ever did was get the Bruins Seguin.....and we Fethed that one up pretty good. Granted he is kind of a light weight and didn't fit the Bruins mold...at all.
Ghazkuul wrote: The best thing Kessel ever did was get the Bruins Seguin.....and we Fethed that one up pretty good. Granted he is kind of a light weight and didn't fit the Bruins mold...at all.
He also got them Dougie Hamilton too
Note: now that's not to say that Toronto would have even drafted one or both of those guys had they not given up the picks for Kessel, but still, right from day 1 of that trade, I'd said that it was a going to turn into one of the worst trades in franchise history... (which is saying something, considering all the stupid crap 'ol Harold Ballard did!)
Experiment 626 wrote:Leafs have shipped Fill Kessel off to the Penguins, (along with Biggs and another player + a 2nd round 2016 pick), for a couple young prospects including Pit's 1st rounder from last year's draft + a 3rd round 2016 pick and a conditional 1st round pick...
Toronto is also eating up 15% of his salary as well, so they end up clearing roughly 6 mil in cap space for themselves all told.
Enjoy the Pillsberry Doughboy Penguin fans!
Pittsburgh now have ~60% of their Cap tied up for 6 players
Kessel @ ~$6.8m til 2022
Malkin @ $9 5m til 2022
Crosby @ $8.7m til 2025
Letang @ $7.25m til 2022
Fleury @ $5.75m til 2019
Hornquist @ $4.25m til 2018
Ustrello wrote:The Saad deal made sense, he wanted 6.5 per year for 5 years, the hawks had 7 mil in cap space. It made no sense, while saad is a good potentially great player he wasn't worth putting the hawks further into cap hell. Plus the players they got back filled needs especially 2nd line center and shooting wing.
Anisimov should be the 2nd Centre and Dano could great in the future. Plus Panarin and Tikhonov on the team Anisimov can really help them settle in. While losing Saad hurts we manged to get a better return than what we hace got via offer sheets
djones520 wrote:Chicago had a lot of weight to shed. I think we're going to see some drastically different playing fields this year.
There is also word that Detroit is hammering out a deal with Brad Richards.
1 Year $3m is what I heard
Vermette also went back to the Yotes for $7.5m over 2 years
Also Wembley, just because you can play Backes at wing doesnt mean you should
djones520 wrote: Well Taresenko just got his stupid high payout. Time for him to enter coast mode.
He was going to get paid and I don't think he'll coast. The one thing this kid has is an absolute drive to be the best... he just loves to play hockey.
That salary schedule is interesting: Eight yr deal....breakdown as follows $8, $8, $7, $7, $9.5, $5.5, $9.5 $5
That 6th / 8th year seems to be hedging whether or not there'll be a lockout.
The woman is claiming that she had/has physical assault wounds. Wouldn't wounds like that though give the police enough reason to bring him in? Since that hasn't happened I am thinking she might be crying wolf.
Ustrello wrote:The woman is claiming that she had/has physical assault wounds. Wouldn't wounds like that though give the police enough reason to bring him in? Since that hasn't happened I am thinking she might be crying wolf.
All we have right now is here say from a couple of reporters, I'm not taking anything unless it comes from an official Police source right now
djones520 wrote:Patrick Kane is currently being investigated for raping a women in New York.
Could have some very serious implications for the Blackhawks this year.
Does anyone know what the procedure is if a player is jailed in regards to their contract against the salary cap? (assuming they aren't cut)
Ustrello wrote: There is a moral clause in his contract I believe, it would be voided I think. If that does happen that saad trade will be devastating
It wouldn't be "devastating" but yeah with perfect hindsight perhaps Saad would have got paid in CHI or Sharpie might never have gotten shipped off to Dallas
Spoiler:
Right now :Looking at the roster assuming Kane is gone these could be the lines next season Panarin-Toews-Hossa Steeger- Anisimov-Tikonov Bickell-Tervainnen-Dano Shaw-Krugs-Desjardin
Ustrello wrote: The woman is claiming that she had/has physical assault wounds. Wouldn't wounds like that though give the police enough reason to bring him in? Since that hasn't happened I am thinking she might be crying wolf.
Latest story I read says it is more then just a claim. DA has to press charges/issue a warrant for them to "bring him in". DA isn't going to do that against a high profile sports star unless he feels he's got a solid case. So they are collecting all the evidence they can right now.
I'm not going to make a judgement, but everything i've read has lead me to believe this could be more then just a "cry wolf" scenario.
djones520 wrote: EA Sports has pulled Kane from its NHL 2015 cover.
default back to bergeron?
It's just Toews now, though they really should have just Keith on it if they are going for a 'Hawks player
but it's a super unsurprising move from EA anyhow
IF, and at this point its a fairly big IF, Kane is guilty, I hope he gets a lifetime suspension from Hockey and loses basically everything. Hockey is the only sport in the world that doesn't treat its players as if they are above the law and I want it to stay that way.
Agreed, and he most likely will, if proven guilty.
I wouldn't expect anything to come of this prior to the start of the season though. I also wouldn't be surprised if his playing sucks for a good bit. Guilty or not, this has got to be screwing with his head.
yeah, I posted a link to the guy I was talking about. He actually missed almost an entire season, and I don't even know if he is allowed to play or what
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
I get the feeling Buffalo may surprise this year. They're undoubtedly the most improved team during the off-season.
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
I get the feeling Buffalo may surprise this year. They're undoubtedly the most improved team during the off-season.
True, but Oreilly was one of those "big" pieces they needed and last time I checked he was still in deep excrement.
Who did they get to fix their complete lack of goal tending?
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i really want to see the Panthers make it, just to see Jagr in the playoffs again
Chad Johnson and Anders Lindback look like their two top spots. Both have been mediocre, but both have never really been given the chance to shine either.
djones520 wrote: Chad Johnson and Anders Lindback look like their two top spots. Both have been mediocre, but both have never really been given the chance to shine either.
Johson played with the Bruins for a season behind one of the most defensive minded teams in the NHL so use those stats to justify how good he is.
djones520 wrote: Chad Johnson and Anders Lindback look like their two top spots. Both have been mediocre, but both have never really been given the chance to shine either.
Johson played with the Bruins for a season behind one of the most defensive minded teams in the NHL so use those stats to justify how good he is.
His last season with the Bruins, he had good stats. 17 wins, 4 losses, .925 sv% and 2.1 GAA. His next year with the Islanders was anything but hot. We'll see how things go this year.
djones520 wrote: Chad Johnson and Anders Lindback look like their two top spots. Both have been mediocre, but both have never really been given the chance to shine either.
Johson played with the Bruins for a season behind one of the most defensive minded teams in the NHL so use those stats to justify how good he is.
His last season with the Bruins, he had good stats. 17 wins, 4 losses, .925 sv% and 2.1 GAA. His next year with the Islanders was anything but hot. We'll see how things go this year.
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thats what i mean though, they used him as a backup against easy teams and they had one of the best defenses in the game.
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
Actually, with the sheer euphoria in Toronto over landing Babs as coach and then attitude/work ethic changes that coming, plus dumping their biggest problem player in Fatty Kessel, I could actually see the Leafs squeaking into the 2nd wildcard slot this year.
That's easily the biggest thing TO has going for it - the atmosphere the fans create in that building. When they're actually hyped up and behind their team, TO is probably one of the hardest building to play in, next to Montreal.
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
Actually, with the sheer euphoria in Toronto over landing Babs as coach and then attitude/work ethic changes that coming, plus dumping their biggest problem player in Fatty Kessel, I could actually see the Leafs squeaking into the 2nd wildcard slot this year.
That's easily the biggest thing TO has going for it - the atmosphere the fans create in that building. When they're actually hyped up and behind their team, TO is probably one of the hardest building to play in, next to Montreal.
Babs is amazing, you can not argue that. But as much as Toronto hated Phil Kessel he still led the team in scoring, and now with the talent dump they just did, where is Toronto going to make up for having lost a 30+ goal scorer? No, I would love to see Toronto in the playoffs again but they aren't ready. Furthermore they have a huge hole in their defense its called not having a goal tender. Bernier and Reimer combined = an average to better then average goalie, but you aren't allowed to have 2 in net at the same time
djones520 wrote: The East is going to be a tough conference this year. Toronto, and maybe Philly, may be the only teams that don't have a legitimate play-off chance.
i'll definitely give you Toronto, but with Philly? nope they got a shot, Voracek was hot and if Simmons stays healthy and they fix their HUGE problem with defense? they are good.
Buffalo in my opinion is still not close to a playoff team.
Actually, with the sheer euphoria in Toronto over landing Babs as coach and then attitude/work ethic changes that coming, plus dumping their biggest problem player in Fatty Kessel, I could actually see the Leafs squeaking into the 2nd wildcard slot this year.
That's easily the biggest thing TO has going for it - the atmosphere the fans create in that building. When they're actually hyped up and behind their team, TO is probably one of the hardest building to play in, next to Montreal.
Babs is amazing, you can not argue that. But as much as Toronto hated Phil Kessel he still led the team in scoring, and now with the talent dump they just did, where is Toronto going to make up for having lost a 30+ goal scorer? No, I would love to see Toronto in the playoffs again but they aren't ready. Furthermore they have a huge hole in their defense its called not having a goal tender. Bernier and Reimer combined = an average to better then average goalie, but you aren't allowed to have 2 in net at the same time
Kessel was a useless, lazy gakker... Sure he'd score 25-30 goals, but he'd typically also end up with a hideous +/- rating. Who cares if he scores 30 goals when he's still a -10? No work ethic beyond getting his 25-30 goals, selfish attitude & lack of leadership, and then when he's put on the spot and questioned about his non-existent effort game-in-game-out, he calls the media a bunch of ***holes...
You don't need a 30 goal scorer to be successful, (look at the Habs!), especially when you've got a solid team mentality & leadership core, alongside a top level coach like Babs. (hell, he took the freaking AHL 'baby Wings' into the play-offs!)
The lack of leadership & give-a-damn-ability was TO's biggest problem last year, and the ringleader of it was Fail Kessel. (remember the "salutegate" boondoggle?!) Toronto has a solid history of going on deep play-off runs with purely average/mediocre teams in the past. What got them there was namely the coaching staff, (RIP Pat Burns), and the leadership core.
Now I'm no Bernier fan either, (the guy is a arrogant sob), but overall he did more or less simply have a bad season last year, compounded by the fact he & Reimer has 0 defense in front of them. Is he #1 material? Personally I don't think he really is - I find Reimer the much more dependable one, though he really needs work on his rebound control... (kinda like Price who was a nightmare to watch early on, especially in the World Juniors!)
Give Reimer a better goaltending coach and time, and I think the Leafs could ideally stick with him, and move Bernier for a young goalie(s) that you can slowly develop fully yourself.
And of course, with Babs cracking the whip, it'll also help big time that their goaltenders shouldn't be facing 35+ shots a night!
They are pretty happy to get Kessel here in the burgh. We'll see if his plus minus changes since he is with a good team. Hopefully the Pens can beat philly this year. Our cross state games are the thing of legend since both cities hate each other. Nothing worse then loosing to Philly here in western PA. I hate Philly with a passion and enjoy last year that they didn't make the playoffs.
Pittsburgh is a great situation for Kessel. The Pens don't need him to be a team leader, tone setter, defensive stalwart or franchise savior. They just need him to take the ice and score a ton of goals on Crosby's or Malkin's line (Crosby's line is my bet). And he'll do just that, barring injury.
Toronto may have had their issues with him, but I think he was also miscast for what they really needed. Besides, the Toronto media and fans can be a bit...shrill?
You mean Montreal that team that sucked balls and wouldn't have made the playoffs if their Goalie hadn't stood on his head the entire season? .933 Save percentage, Below a 2.00 GAA and 9 Shutouts (2nd in the league) he literally won the vezina with a GARBAGE team.
You mean Montreal that team that sucked balls and wouldn't have made the playoffs if their Goalie hadn't stood on his head the entire season? .933 Save percentage, Below a 2.00 GAA and 9 Shutouts (2nd in the league) he literally won the vezina with a GARBAGE team.
The Habs weren't/aren't a garbage team, just a defense first team. The majority of the shots they give up are from beyond the top of the face-off circle and/or the perimeter.
It would be nice though to see Bergevin bring in some more scoring...
gorgon wrote: Pittsburgh is a great situation for Kessel. The Pens don't need him to be a team leader, tone setter, defensive stalwart or franchise savior. They just need him to take the ice and score a ton of goals on Crosby's or Malkin's line (Crosby's line is my bet). And he'll do just that, barring injury.
Toronto may have had their issues with him, but I think he was also miscast for what they really needed. Besides, the Toronto media and fans can be a bit...shrill?
The Leafs are and always have been the #1 thing in TO. They're a year round topic, and their fanbase is frankly amazingly loyal & 100% legit, despite how awful the team has been for decades now.
It takes a true passion to keep the faith through almost 50 years of at best, slightly above average play. Hell, Montreal fans are known for burning & looting if we don't make the play-offs for a couple years! (granted, Montrealers burned a chunk of the city last time we won, so I guess that's not really saying much...)
But consider that right now, there's a federal election on-going, the Argos are tied for 1st in the east despite half their starting offensive line-up (including their QB) are all injured, and the Blue Jays are looking leagues better than their freaking '93 team! And yet, the Leafs are still the biggest topic across the GTA!
You mean Montreal that team that sucked balls and wouldn't have made the playoffs if their Goalie hadn't stood on his head the entire season? .933 Save percentage, Below a 2.00 GAA and 9 Shutouts (2nd in the league) he literally won the vezina with a GARBAGE team.
The Habs weren't/aren't a garbage team, just a defense first team. The majority of the shots they give up are from beyond the top of the face-off circle and/or the perimeter.
It would be nice though to see Bergevin bring in some more scoring...
gorgon wrote: Pittsburgh is a great situation for Kessel. The Pens don't need him to be a team leader, tone setter, defensive stalwart or franchise savior. They just need him to take the ice and score a ton of goals on Crosby's or Malkin's line (Crosby's line is my bet). And he'll do just that, barring injury.
Toronto may have had their issues with him, but I think he was also miscast for what they really needed. Besides, the Toronto media and fans can be a bit...shrill?
The Leafs are and always have been the #1 thing in TO. They're a year round topic, and their fanbase is frankly amazingly loyal & 100% legit, despite how awful the team has been for decades now.
It takes a true passion to keep the faith through almost 50 years of at best, slightly above average play. Hell, Montreal fans are known for burning & looting if we don't make the play-offs for a couple years! (granted, Montrealers burned a chunk of the city last time we won, so I guess that's not really saying much...)
But consider that right now, there's a federal election on-going, the Argos are tied for 1st in the east despite half their starting offensive line-up (including their QB) are all injured, and the Blue Jays are looking leagues better than their freaking '93 team! And yet, the Leafs are still the biggest topic across the GTA!
you can say montreal was a good team last year but according to all the stats they sucked. key players dropped significantly. If Carry Price wasn't such a supreme Bad arse the habs would have never made the playoffs. look at goal differential and shot differential. If it wasn't for Price it would have been GG.
I will gladly start up a Fantasy league on yahoo if enough people send me their e-mails so I can invite you. What I would like from you lot though is what stats you would like to have for points: basic ones will be
Some of the less common ones that I have used in the past are hits, Face Off wins, Face off % and blocked shots. If we have any Montreal fans I will be completely willing to add Diving as a category to
More of an NHL network question/comment. I have been going on there every day or two to look for any kind of programs, news stories or older hockey games with the Bruins. For instance today they are running Stanley Cup games from 2002-2010, just shy of when the Bruins won the stanley cup, and this has been a long running trend. The only time I see anything on about the Bruins in a positive light it is always in regards to OLD Bruins players like Eddie Shore and Bobby Orr.
Dennis Seidenberg out 6-8 weeks for back surgery, (herniated Disk)
Zdeno Chara, Left the game tonight with an upper body injur
Dougie Hamilton, Traded away for draft picks
Matt Bartkowski, let go as well.
So out of our 6 defensemen we had last year we have 3 left. Krug, Miller and Mcquaid.....not exactly a promising start to the season.
Ghazkuul wrote: I will gladly start up a Fantasy league on yahoo if enough people send me their e-mails so I can invite you. What I would like from you lot though is what stats you would like to have for points: basic ones will be
Some of the less common ones that I have used in the past are hits, Face Off wins, Face off % and blocked shots. If we have any Montreal fans I will be completely willing to add Diving as a category to
Well, if you're going to go that far, then you should be adding a Longest Losing Streak stat for Boston fans, and don't forget about a Turning Victory into Defeat stat for Loafs fans.
My Habs had a good opening night vs Toronto, and hopefully we have a good victory over the Bruins on Saturday.
With how crappy they performed against Winnipeg, unless a new team shows up I think you got it locked down.
Bruins are getting old and are officially in the process of re-building, especially considering the fire-sale they did during this summer's draft.
Leafs looked absolutely wretched last night against the Wings. Though I was over joyed to see that donkeycave Bernier give up 3 goals on just 9 shots! Hopefully the Loafs stay the course and forget to show up again tonight, as I really need Karlsson to have a big night for my hockey pool teams!
Now I realize that I am biased for the Bruins because they are my team, but holy crap, the referees tonight were wearing blinders or something. Bellesky got a penalty for an illegal head shot...that didn't happen, Another bruin got a hooking call that also didn't happen. Boston gets a goal taken back because a Canadian defenseman pushes Bergeron into Price, David Krejci gets a pretty big cut on his face by a montreal stick, no call, and now Marchand just got tripped at center ice with the puck...no call.
And now they just kicked Ryan Spooner out of the game and awarded Montreal a 5 minute power play.. This is absolute fething bad refereeing.
I thought this 3 on 3 OT was supposed to replace the shootout, feth this gak! That was a lot of condensed exciting hockey, why ruin it with the shootout?!
Ghazkuul wrote: Now I realize that I am biased for the Bruins because they are my team, but holy crap, the referees tonight were wearing blinders or something. Bellesky got a penalty for an illegal head shot...that didn't happen, Another bruin got a hooking call that also didn't happen. Boston gets a goal taken back because a Canadian defenseman pushes Bergeron into Price, David Krejci gets a pretty big cut on his face by a montreal stick, no call, and now Marchand just got tripped at center ice with the puck...no call.
And now they just kicked Ryan Spooner out of the game and awarded Montreal a 5 minute power play.. This is absolute fething bad refereeing.
Well, Toronto got a penalty for a phantom check on Turris, which led to the Sens second goal.
And most hilarious of all, late in the 3rd, the Leafs scored a goal to tie the game up at 4-4, except the ref was apparently the one and only person in the building who didn't know this! They had to sound the buzzer to eventually stop the play so that Toronto could be awarded their goal!
I think it was just a bad night of officiating across the board... I was constantly checking the TSN site for info on all the games now that hockey pool season is on, and it seemed like most games were penalty riddled.
At least Karlsson got me 3pts, and Subban got nothing! Plus Renne picked up a shutout for my team, which helps to slightly make-up for how much of a bust Giordano, Crosby & Fail Kessel have been thus far.
Ghazkuul wrote: I think some serious training needs to be going on for referees, that or fire gary bettman....actually both, I want both.
Automatically Appended Next Post: But if i had to choose one, Fire Little Hitler.
Fixed that for you!
In all fairness to the refs though, the game is so fast that it's inevitable that mistakes will happen with semi-regularity. (though the Leafs 'forgotten' goal last night was a special level of hilarious incompetence!)
I've officiated up to Midgit 'A' and Senior 'B' levels, and that's nowhere near close to top levels - even in girls/women's hockey! Still, it pretty much felt the entire time like you were flying by the seat of your pants, and making calls based half on pure reflex reaction & half on what you perceived to have actually happened.
Add to this that the NHL did a fantastically abysmal job of training younger officials before the older veterans began retiring en mass over the past 4-5 years or so, and it's no wonder the game has suffered miserably.
Also, can we find out who thought it would be a good idea to utilize Drones in the Arena to provide Camera angles and fire him. I understand drones are the new hot fad and everything but they suck at camera angles in the arena, Ive only watched about 6-8 games so far this season but every one of them had the drones being used, one of them used it almost 30-40% of the game and it is just terrible.
The drones must be a US broadcaster thing, because I haven't noticed much difference at all when attaching games across CBC & TSN up here. (Sportsnet is too busy with the Blue Jays 24/7 right now!)
Bettman deserves all the hate he gets just on how he's allowed the league to turn into "Thugs 'R Us" on ice... God damned Instigator rule is an abomination, and because of it, we now get to watch talentless gakkers like Raffi Torres and all the other head hunters trump the actual skilled players.
At Torres' career is likely over after his last display of moronic thuggery. 41 games well deserved! (should've just booted him altogether, but, at least it is half a season...)
Bettman deserves all the hate he gets just on how he's allowed the league to turn into "Thugs 'R Us" on ice...
Are you too young to remember the time when teams needed to have a goon?
Well, back in the day when a guy named Gretzky played. No one would take a cheap shot at him because there was this other guy named Mcsorely who would you up big time if you did!
Nowadays, there's this guy named Crosby who plays, and everyone and their mother have taken their turns trying to crack his skull open! but if any of Crosby's teammates turn around and defend him, they get tossed in the box.
What happened to change this? Bettman's stupid instigator rule, which gives the penalty to the guy sticking up for his teammate, instead of the thug who head hunts the top players.
Sure goon's still existed back in the day, but before the instigator rule happened, we never had the kind of outright 'open season' on the game's superstars like we do now...
Torres for example would NEVER have even lived after that hit he put on Hossa when guys like Mcsorely and Messier played, as they would have simply beaten him into a bloody pulp.
The instigator rule as it current exists needs to go. Let the players police themselves more, and we'll see fewer catastrophic injuries to the top end players.
Torres for example would NEVER have even lived after that hit he put on Hossa when guys like Mcsorely and Messier played, as they would have simply beaten him into a bloody pulp.
McSorely and Messier were also dirty players who caused as many problems as they "solved".
What did everyone think about that the Rinaldo hit last night?
I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit. The only thing I can see that really went wrong was the flyers player didn't bother keeping his head up and got nailed so kind of defenseless position.
I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit.
Couturier's head was the principle point of contact, Rinaldo hit it with his shoulder. Indeed, you can clearly see Couturier's head snap back before the the rest of his body follows, which is indicative of a hit to the head.
I watched the reply a few times and it looks like a close call, definitely not a head hit.
Couturier's head was the principle point of contact, Rinaldo hit it with his shoulder. Indeed, you can clearly see Couturier's head snap back before the the rest of his body follows, which is indicative of a hit to the head.
I just watched it again and no, his shoulder hit couturiers chest first and then his head snapped back. I think this is a case of Rinaldo's reputation earning him a penalty.
I just watched it again and no, his shoulder hit couturiers chest first and then his head snapped back. I think this is a case of Rinaldo's reputation earning him a penalty.
Rinaldo's upper arm hit Couturier in the chest, but his shoulder clearly strikes him in the head. At best the contact was simultaneous, but to me the head was clearly the initial point of contact as Couturier's head is moving backwards prior to his body doing so. You're correct that the snapping motion occurred after his body started to fall, and that was a poor choice of words on my part, but motion of the head began before motion of the body.
whembly wrote: hence another reason why the instigator rule is bosh.
The Goons "takes cares" of these shenanigans.
Honestly, no one cares about hockey fights when it comes to enforcement. They're fun to watch, but actually doing damage to someone by throwing a punch while on skates is really, really difficult unless you're going to cheap shot a guy. What goons did back in the day that people were so afraid of was skate out with the express purpose of removing a skilled player from the game by taking penalties on plays that were deliberately intended to cause injuries. This included cheap shots, which is a large part of the reason that the instigator rule is in place.
Honestly, no one cares about hockey fights when it comes to enforcement. They're fun to watch, but actually doing damage to someone by throwing a punch while on skates is really, really difficult unless you're going to cheap shot a guy. What goons did back in the day that people were so afraid of was skate out with the express purpose of removing a skilled player from the game by taking penalties on plays that were deliberately intended to cause injuries. This included cheap shots, which is a large part of the reason that the instigator rule is in place.
Really? I haven't heard too many of the "great ones" specifically state that fighting is what kept dirty play to a minimum. Indeed, if you go back and watch tape from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even the 90's its pretty clear that there was far more dirty (read: deliberately injurious) play then than there is now. As such, even if that is their argument, it is clear that fighting did not remove dirty play from the game; it could even be argued that it created it.
Really? I haven't heard too many of the "great ones" specifically state that fighting is what kept dirty play to a minimum. Indeed, if you go back and watch tape from the 60's, 70's, 80's, and even the 90's its pretty clear that there was far more dirty (read: deliberately injurious) play then than there is now. As such, even if that is their argument, it is clear that fighting did not remove dirty play from the game; it could even be argued that it created it.
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
Hockey players simply want to "police" these infractions on their own. :shrugs:
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
I've heard those guys talk about being protected by their dedicated enforcers, but "being protected" doesn't necessarily mean "fighting a guy".
Regardless, that's also the period in which officiating started to become a lot tighter, due in large part to the monetary value of individual players.
It really started to when Gretzky was playing and the rise of smaller/skilled players from his era and on...
I've regularly heard it from Brett Hull, Wayne Gretzky, Messier, Pavel Bure and others...
I've heard those guys talk about being protected by their dedicated enforcers, but "being protected" doesn't necessarily mean "fighting a guy".
Regardless, that's also the period in which officiating started to become a lot tighter, due in large part to the monetary value of individual players.
And rule changes as well to promote freer play styles... like interference & no more center-redline offsides.
Either way, I still think the hit by Rinaldo was fairly clean and not deserving 5, 10 and game. Maybe 5 and 10 if they ruled it charging. I think they gave him game because its rinaldo and because Philly and Boston have a propensity to drop the mits and the refs wanted to head that scenario off before it happened.
How did everyone do in week 1 of fantasy hockey if your playing?
I am playing in 8 leagues this year and I went
1st Place in 3 leagues
2nd Place in 1 league
3rd Place in 2 leagues
4th Place in 1 league
and pathetically 12th place in my last league. I did have Tyson Barrie and Tuuka Rask in that league so.... :( I really hope Rask shapes up or I am Fethed.
I'm a Canucks fan so I'm hoping they break the streak tonight. But on the other hand my wife is a Habs fan and a season start like that is fun to watch.
Wow, I'm not sure anyone saw 5-1 coming. But in all honesty the Habs are Canada's best shot at a stanley cup. It's just nice to get the 2 points against the hard teams.
Coldnap wrote: Wow, I'm not sure anyone saw 5-1 coming. But in all honesty the Habs are Canada's best shot at a stanley cup. It's just nice to get the 2 points against the hard teams.
Well, as fun as it was, we knew the ride had to end at some point... Besides, keep in mind that the Habs played a back-to-back Friday @Buffalo, then home vs. Toronto, and had just two days while travailing all the way out to the wet coast.
I'm kinda expecting them to struggle tomorrow & Friday night as well, as they get hit with yet another back-to-back with the Oilers & Flames.
Being 9-1 to open the season with the schedule they've had is mind blowing. Unlike those pampered as feth Loafs who've already had both a 4 AND 5 day breaks between games!
Big win for the Pens last night over Caps. 3-1 Fleury kept them in the game while the offense struggled for 2 periods. The pens offense has been pretty disappointing so far this year. Hopefully they can get things together here pretty soon, 16 goal total for the team this year
The pens. . . .I don't know where to start with them. Kessel might add something, but they have had Crosby and Malkin for years and seem to be going backwards.
But hey, they could be the leafs.
Mtl looks good vs. the Oilers right now, 3-0 in the 2nd.
At least my Habs bounced back with a 6-2 win last night.
Mostly I think they're just exhausted... While the Edmonton game was unforgivable, still, to be 10-2 after the first month while playing only 4 "Home" games is just plain bad@$$!
If they can keep the momentum going through November, then even the most ardent Hab haters will have to grudgingly admit that this team is for real this year.
Mostly I think they're just exhausted... While the Edmonton game was unforgivable, still, to be 10-2 after the first month while playing only 4 "Home" games is just plain bad@$$!
If they can keep the momentum going through November, then even the most ardent Hab haters will have to grudgingly admit that this team is for real this year.
Yeah they bounced back, but I'm still nervous about the season.
When things are going well, they seems to be doing well on offence. But there's still signs of that "Hang back in the defensive zone" that they had during the end of the Ottowa series and for almost the entire series vs Tampa Bay.
I'm pretty confident when I say montreal will make the playoffs. So I have to look at the teams they may play. You never want them to play the Islanders, as cool as the goalie standoff is I don't want lundqvist to get in the way.
Coldnap wrote: I'm pretty confident when I say montreal will make the playoffs. So I have to look at the teams they may play. You never want them to play the Islanders, as cool as the goalie standoff is I don't want lundqvist to get in the way.
Can they beat any of the best west teams in 7?
Lumps*** is with the Rangers.IIRC, Halak is currently the no.1 on Long Island.
And no, no Canadian will win the cup while Little Hitler is in charge, as there's no money to be made off of any Canadian teams... Besides, Montreal is automatically excluded due to the fact that the dumb*** go and burn down half the city if they win, or else go and burn down half the city if they lose! Go job Montreal!
Hmm, yea I didn't even realize my mistake. My head was thinking New York and I guess Islanders is what came out.
It would be great to have a Canadian team in the Cup final.
I remember when Anaheim played Ottawa for the cup and they would show outside the arenas before the game. Ottawa was packed inside and out, 1000's watching downtown. And when they showed Anaheim with 2 kids outside looking for autographs and the stadium wasn't full yet I was confused.
But it would make more sense to have something to keep Canadians watching, I wonder what the numbers would be if you compared Can to US.
Coldnap wrote: McDavid could be out for the rest of the season. That's big news for the Oilers.
They're only saying that it's "long term" right now. Hopefully it's not as bad as the team is currently treating it. What they're really doing is simply coming out and saying that they're not going to rush the kid back into the line-up, because he is so young & you don't want him to develop a lingering injury issue because you rushed him back in 2-3 weeks instead of perhaps 5-6 or so.
I definitely believe that we'll be seeing a good deal more of McDavid this season!
Ya I just watched sportscenter and it's a broken collar bone, they said at the worst he could be back for 2016. I could see him coming back in Dec if all goes well.
It's a shame when good players get hurt. Could cost him rookie of the year.
Coldnap wrote: Ya I just watched sportscenter and it's a broken collar bone, they said at the worst he could be back for 2016. I could see him coming back in Dec if all goes well.
It's a shame when good players get hurt. Could cost him rookie of the year.
Meh, that as going to Dylan Larkin anyways.
Sucks though, it's a shame when stuff like this happens early. Anthony Mantha (Detroits top prospect, before Larkin) broke his leg at prospect camp, and it completely threw him off. Hopefully this doesn't screw McDavid's game up. Would be such a shame for such raw talent to get lost.
I just have my fingers crossed that Edmonton does well enough to avoid getting another top draft pick. I can't even imagine how the league would react if Auston Matthews ended up in an Oiler jersey.
WinterHound wrote: I just have my fingers crossed that Edmonton does well enough to avoid getting another top draft pick. I can't even imagine how the league would react if Auston Matthews ended up in an Oiler jersey.
Dear god... that team would simple be gross.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Blues win a wild one 6-5!
WinterHound wrote: I just have my fingers crossed that Edmonton does well enough to avoid getting another top draft pick. I can't even imagine how the league would react if Auston Matthews ended up in an Oiler jersey.
With the way they're (not) playing, everyone is going to have a helluva time chasing down Toronto for the coveted 20% odds of landing the top pick.
Of course, we all know that the Leafs won't be allowed a no.1 overall pick.
If Edmonton can manage 30th spot for a few more years maybe they can show the NHL they have to rejig the draft.
Toronto is another beast entirely, I think they need to get rid of Phaneuf, it's just not working. At least Babcock is going to give them a chance.
When the season goes off the tracks hard as every Leafs season does after christmas it will be interesting to see if the usual "Blame the staff" reporter frenzy starts up or if everyone finally realizes the they actually need some talent.
Coldnap wrote: If Edmonton can manage 30th spot for a few more years maybe they can show the NHL they have to rejig the draft.
Toronto is another beast entirely, I think they need to get rid of Phaneuf, it's just not working. At least Babcock is going to give them a chance.
When the season goes off the tracks hard as every Leafs season does after christmas it will be interesting to see if the usual "Blame the staff" reporter frenzy starts up or if everyone finally realizes the they actually need some talent.
Phaneuf can't be moved for at least another year or two, due to his contract being so massively unappealing... $7 million/year for what is really an aging 3/4 defenseman is beyond hilarious stupidity! Though maybe the Penguins will be desperate enough by the deadline if they're in a solid play-off position to hold their collective noses and fork over a couple picks for him?
Gardiner, Kadri, Bozo, Lupul, Bernier... All need to go as well.
And we don't even need to wait until after Xmas for the press to lose their gak this year. Already there's fans & even a few of the media claiming Babs & Shanny have screwed the pooch and done nothing to rebuild the team!
It will be interesting to see what happens to Toronto next summer.
When they make a change for a player or staff it's like they believe the slate has been wiped clean. The city doesn't understand that you are in for a few rough years with a complete rebuild and settle for gakky band-aids year after year. Leafs fans are so desperate for a good season they would sell their first born.
I tried being a Leaf fan when I lived there from '99-'08, but I couldn't do it any longer.
It would be funny to see Phaneuf join Kessel on the Pens. Maybe the curse would follow him.
Coldnap wrote: It will be interesting to see what happens to Toronto next summer.
When they make a change for a player or staff it's like they believe the slate has been wiped clean. The city doesn't understand that you are in for a few rough years with a complete rebuild and settle for gakky band-aids year after year. Leafs fans are so desperate for a good season they would sell their first born.
I tried being a Leaf fan when I lived there from '99-'08, but I couldn't do it any longer.
It would be funny to see Phaneuf join Kessel on the Pens. Maybe the curse would follow him.
Phaneuf's biggest issue is that the Leafs have used from day 1 as a no.1 offensive defenseman, which of course, he clearly never was - even early on in Calgary. Unfortunately, the Leafs currently don't have any top line capabilities beyond young Morgan Rilley, (who's still going through obvious growing pains), so Phaneuf continues to get played in a role he simply can't.
If the Pens were to grab him up, I think we'd definitely see him dropped down to the 3/4 pairing and used more defensively in 5-on-5, then add him and his shot onto a PP unit.
Fail Kessel is the cursed one!
I knew I was being an idiot taking him in my hockey pool, but it was just too tempting to not take a risk on when he was going to have Crosby feeding him the puck... Stupid me forgot that Kessel is likely the only pro player who can't take a one-timer.
And holy hell did the Habs ever manhandle the Islanders last night!
Price is tentatively slated to be good to go by the 11th, but it's not like Condon has been your typical back-up either. Can't wait to see how the season unfolds, as right now, pretty much everything is going right for Montreal!
Coldnap wrote: It will be interesting to see what happens to Toronto next summer.
When they make a change for a player or staff it's like they believe the slate has been wiped clean. The city doesn't understand that you are in for a few rough years with a complete rebuild and settle for gakky band-aids year after year. Leafs fans are so desperate for a good season they would sell their first born.
I tried being a Leaf fan when I lived there from '99-'08, but I couldn't do it any longer.
It would be funny to see Phaneuf join Kessel on the Pens. Maybe the curse would follow him.
Phaneuf's biggest issue is that the Leafs have used from day 1 as a no.1 offensive defenseman, which of course, he clearly never was - even early on in Calgary. Unfortunately, the Leafs currently don't have any top line capabilities beyond young Morgan Rilley, (who's still going through obvious growing pains), so Phaneuf continues to get played in a role he simply can't.
If the Pens were to grab him up, I think we'd definitely see him dropped down to the 3/4 pairing and used more defensively in 5-on-5, then add him and his shot onto a PP unit.
Fail Kessel is the cursed one!
I knew I was being an idiot taking him in my hockey pool, but it was just too tempting to not take a risk on when he was going to have Crosby feeding him the puck... Stupid me forgot that Kessel is likely the only pro player who can't take a one-timer.
And holy hell did the Habs ever manhandle the Islanders last night!
Price is tentatively slated to be good to go by the 11th, but it's not like Condon has been your typical back-up either. Can't wait to see how the season unfolds, as right now, pretty much everything is going right for Montreal!
Babcock is the type of coach who wants his D to play more defensively, less offensively, so Phaneuf should have less emphasis on goal scoring.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Henrik Zetterberg's 300th goal tonight. 500th Assist the other night, and 800 points the other night as well. Been a pretty significant stretch for him this week.
8th Red Wing in the entirety of the teams history to score 300 goals.
Coldnap wrote: My Canucks lost a tough one. I thought they were going to come back and get a point for sure.
I wonder where the Wings will stand without Babcock, he mentioned the new coach has a similar style but I havent followed it much.
I think Blashill has been doing good so far. The team overall is going through a huge evolution this year. New players, new management styles, new coach, but they are still doing respectably. Some would call it a "slow" start, but they will heat up, especially once pieces like Datsyuk get fit back into the puzzle.
What a horrible game today. Dallas just smashed us, and we lose Howard to injury. So thankful Mrazek has been playing well, as well.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So I missed the game, reading some reviews it turns out Detroit got royally fethed this game. Multiple times Dallas players went head hunting. Jimmy Howard was purposefully kneed in the head, and was pulled off the ice for it, refs did nothing. Hemsky left his feet, to deliver a hit to Ericssons head, into the boards, and again nothing.
This is ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous, and I hope the NHL comes down on the Ref's for their inaction in helping ensure the safety of players today.
Pens with the shootout win over the Habs last night. Second period was horrible for the pens only having one shot on goal. Thankfully the third period the pens came out flying. Great win for the Pens !!!!!!
There was talk during the game about Crosby slow start to his season. 12 seconds into the game he makes a sweet pass that scores a goal. C
Azza007 wrote: How the hell did Boston pull that off. They played awful tonight, Detroit dominated them, yet they still managed to tie, then get the OT win...
To Senators: Phaneuf/Frattin/Bailey/Rupert/Donaghey
To Leaf: Cowen/Greening/Michalek/Lindberg/2nd '17
Weird trade by Leaf... unless they're dumping Phaneuf's salary.
The Leafs say it was to give them some salary cap flexibility and Lou Lamoriello said acquiring Phaneuf was part of his "five-year" plan for Ottawa. Interesting move for sure though.
I'm a work tonight but hopefully I can find some time to steal away and watch my Caps take on the Predators. Hopefully they'll get a win and break their power play slump; they're 0-for-17 in PP over the last five games. Still, being the only team in the league with single digit number in the loss column is pretty nice.
To Senators: Phaneuf/Frattin/Bailey/Rupert/Donaghey
To Leaf: Cowen/Greening/Michalek/Lindberg/2nd '17
Weird trade by Leaf... unless they're dumping Phaneuf's salary.
It is like a 7-9 million dollar cap hit from now until 2021... Hopefully he'll be useful for the Sens.
*disappears back into hockey obscurity*
The Pylon is 7mil/year for another 4 years.
The trade was purely about salary dumping, (the Leafs retain NONE! of that ridiculous salary), and at best, the Leafs might get a decent prospect to work with.
We'll probably see at least a few more trades from the Loafs, and yeah, it'll look silly up front because they'll be shipping out most of the handful of semi-skilled guys they currently have. However, they do for once have an actual plan & framework they're working towards.
Currently, they're working on seeing which of their current roster is likely to become a part of the 3-4 year re-build. So guys like Kadri, Rielly & Gardner are probably 'safe'. Both goaltenders could easily become assets as well, especially if the Leafs can draft a couple solid net minders. (Reimer probably even gets shipped out if not by the trade deadline, then during the draft weekend)
I highly doubt the Leafs will win the Austin Mathews sweepstakes, (especially with the way Bettman and his cronies are really flipping the bird to Toronto right now!), but with an all but guaranteed top 5 pick, perhaps they can land the younger Nylander brother?!
What's really amusing though, is watching how the Toronto media are still trying to portray the organisation as in utter turmoil, and the fanbase as preparing the pitchforks & burning brands again!
Funny thing about what's really going on with Loafs Nation though, the fans are pretty much entirely sitting back and happy to watch the long overdue re-build.
It's amazing what a little bit of honesty up front can do to appease fans, followed by actually staying the course and seeing your stated plan through to it's eventual end.
Panthers and Islanders - Panthers
Lightning and Red Wings - Red Wings
Capitols and Flyers - Capitols
Penguins and Rangers - Rangers
West:
Stars and Wild - Stars
Blues and Blackhawks - Blackhawks
Ducks and Predators - Predators
Kings and Sharks - Kings
Panthers and Islanders - Panthers (Agreed)
Lightning and Red Wings - Lightning
Capitols and Flyers - Flyers (Little chance of this but I am hoping)
Penguins and Rangers - Penguins, They have been really hot recently and I actually picked them to win the cup at the start of the year, I just can't believe that with Kessel, Malkin and Crosby these guys have had such massive struggles.
West
Stars and WIld - Stars
Blues and Blackhawks - Blues ( I hate chicago)
Ducks and Preds - Ducks
Kings and Sharks - Sharks, only because I don't want the kings winning another cup, and at this point I really think the Sharks deserve a win.
I just got a bad feeling about the hawks this year, they probably will beat the blues but I don't think they will make it past round two. There is a reason why its so hard to repeat
Ustrello wrote: I just got a bad feeling about the hawks this year, they probably will beat the blues but I don't think they will make it past round two. There is a reason why its so hard to repeat
They won 3 of the last 6 cups...
You'd think they can find that "playoff switch"...
However, the Blues are really playing well as of late.
Ustrello wrote: I just got a bad feeling about the hawks this year, they probably will beat the blues but I don't think they will make it past round two. There is a reason why its so hard to repeat
They won 3 of the last 6 cups...
You'd think they can find that "playoff switch"...
However, the Blues are really playing well as of late.
Sure but never consecutively, they are tired this year. But on the flip side they are getting everyone back healthy and keith will be nice and healthy from his "break" (still think that wild player should of gotten a game or two himself but *shrug*)
It sucks because I come off of night shift Thursday morning so staying up to watch Game 1 will be tough (especially when I inevitably start drinking beer!).
How? He was outside the crease until the puck went into it, and only made significant contact with Elliot because Shattenkirk pushed him from behind.
It boiled down to whether Shattenkirk's contact with Shaw and the timing of the puck crossing the goal line. Personally, to me at least, it looked like Elliott was prevented from doing his job before the puck crossed the goal line, but honestly it was a call that *could* go either way.
However, I am mystified by folks complaining about overturning Taransenko's goal... this was one of the best shot that shows Lehtera going offsides:
The Blues simply need to put this game behind them and focus on the next.
It boiled down to whether Shattenkirk's contact with Shaw and the timing of the puck crossing the goal line. Personally, to me at least, it looked like Elliott was prevented from doing his job before the puck crossed the goal line, but honestly it was a call that *could* go either way.
If Shattenkirk's contact with Shaw prevented Elliot from playing his position, then there is no interference.
It boiled down to whether Shattenkirk's contact with Shaw and the timing of the puck crossing the goal line. Personally, to me at least, it looked like Elliott was prevented from doing his job before the puck crossed the goal line, but honestly it was a call that *could* go either way.
If Shattenkirk's contact with Shaw prevented Elliot from playing his position, then there is no interference.
Detroit and Tampa is rough as well. Officiating last night was atrocious. Such as when Datsyuk got nailed, had a tooth knocked out, and then he got the penalty.
Anyways, it seems Abdelkader injected lead into his fists before the game last night.
djones520 wrote: Detroit and Tampa is rough as well. Officiating last night was atrocious. Such as when Datsyuk got nailed, had a tooth knocked out, and then he got the penalty.
Anyways, it seems Abdelkader injected lead into his fists before the game last night.
djones520 wrote: Detroit and Tampa is rough as well. Officiating last night was atrocious. Such as when Datsyuk got nailed, had a tooth knocked out, and then he got the penalty.
Anyways, it seems Abdelkader injected lead into his fists before the game last night.
The simplest way to fix this offsides nonsense is to put a couple cameras on each blue line and change the rule to say that the skate just has to stay on or behind the blue line to be onside and the skate does not need to be ON the ice to count. Honestly the current rules for it are stupid, way to easy to make mistakes.
C... A... P... S... Caps! Caps! Caps! That squeezably soft goal has got to be messing with Mason's head. I see a goalie change coming in the city of brotherly love.
Caps looking like the pre-blizzard team. And the Holtbeast is rocking once again. Best Sv% and GAA in the playoffs for any goalie with >25 starts. The beast is back!
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
If an attacking player has been pushed, shoved, or fouled by a defending player so as to cause him to come into contact with the goalkeeper, such contact will not be deemed contact initiated by the attacking player for purposes of this rule, provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact.
Yeah, I see that now. I stand corrected.
I really didn't *see* him pushed. I've since seen the "autopsy" of that play and the ref made the right call.
SemperMortis wrote: The simplest way to fix this offsides nonsense is to put a couple cameras on each blue line and change the rule to say that the skate just has to stay on or behind the blue line to be onside and the skate does not need to be ON the ice to count. Honestly the current rules for it are stupid, way to easy to make mistakes.
Blues absolutely stole one today... and we'll take it.
The decision to stop trying to run the 'Hawks through the boards was a good one. Physical teams have tried that for years, and it has never worked.
I would question the wisdom of putting Steve Ott in the lineup, but the officiating has been so bad across the whole league that his shenanigans are unlikely to be a problem.
Blues absolutely stole one today... and we'll take it.
The decision to stop trying to run the 'Hawks through the boards was a good one. Physical teams have tried that for years, and it has never worked.
I hope the team truly wised up to that...
I would question the wisdom of putting Steve Ott in the lineup, but the officiating has been so bad across the whole league that his shenanigans are unlikely to be a problem.
Put on your big boy pants officials, you got that call wrong. If it was interference on Shaw it was also interference on Brouwer, and holding on Stastny.
Like, how didn't Crawford didn't get an instigator penalty is beyond me.
There was no fighting penalty called, and no one is going to call an instigator penalty on the goalie in the playoffs; especially when the opposition has Steve Ott...but then no one is going to call a fair game when one team is physical. Playoff hockey and all that.
Welp... now that the Wings are playing golf, I decided to take a peek at the Free Agency situation... and now I'm completely convinced that 25 years is where the streak will end.
Pens destroyed the Rangers last night. Been a long time since the Pens star players got things done in the playoffs. Murray has been a beast in goal this year.
“We are still earlier than what all the other sports do, with respects to Mr. Foley,” he said. “Mr. Foley didn’t have his facts straight. You’re trying to get a national audience involved.”
No, you're trying to get advertising revenue. The puck dropped at 8:42 CST because some of the ad breaks went for ~10 minutes.
Ustrello wrote: Even then you are getting bad returns for the 3rd and second half of the 2nd period because it is getting so late
I'm fine with an 8:30 puck drop...but actually drop the puck at 8:30. Don't shoehorn in a ridiculous number of commercials, or make Eddie Olczyk artificially extend pregame time with more comments about young hockey players.
Ustrello wrote: Even then you are getting bad returns for the 3rd and second half of the 2nd period because it is getting so late
I'm fine with an 8:30 puck drop...but actually drop the puck at 8:30. Don't shoehorn in a ridiculous number of commercials, or make Eddie Olczyk artificially extend pregame time with more comments about young hockey players.
I fully agree. I'm still recovering from the last game.
I fully expect the 'Hawks to come out strong and curbstomp the Blues tonight... no way Chicago will lose the 3rd home game in a row.
whembly wrote: Aaaaaaaaaand the Blues are going to blow it...
The worst part for the Blues is that they looked frustrated at the end. Those penalties by Bortuzzo and Bouwmeester were just bad and pretty much ended the game for them.
whembly wrote: Aaaaaaaaaand the Blues are going to blow it...
The worst part for the Blues is that they looked frustrated at the end. Those penalties by Bortuzzo and Bouwmeester were just bad and pretty much ended the game for them.
Yeah.... the Blues absolutely lost their composer that game.
Hawks lose, Hulk sad! I think the memory of game 6 will carry me through, though. In the end, the Hawks need rest. How many post season games have they racked up in the last few years? Time to lay on a beach and actually have time off between seasons.
ScootyPuffJunior wrote: The Caps beat the Pens in OT tonight and I was very pleased, especially since T.J. Oshie nabbed a hat trick this evening!
I miss my Teej...
Brouwer worked out okay for you guys in game 7, no? I think the Osh for Brouwer trade was a win for both teams. You guys got a quality player in Brouwer. Definitely bitter-sweet for the folks in Washington.
Hope we see a Blues/Caps final. Our mailman is a die-hard Blues fan....
Y'know, I've never been a big hockey fan, but with the Blues having a shot at it this year I'm starting to watch a bit more. I'm hoping they can get it together and beat the Sharks.
ZergSmasher wrote: Y'know, I've never been a big hockey fan, but with the Blues having a shot at it this year I'm starting to watch a bit more. I'm hoping they can get it together and beat the Sharks.
The only stake I have left in this race anymore is seeing the Blues crash and burn. So go Sharks!
ZergSmasher wrote: Y'know, I've never been a big hockey fan, but with the Blues having a shot at it this year I'm starting to watch a bit more. I'm hoping they can get it together and beat the Sharks.
The only stake I have left in this race anymore is seeing the Blues crash and burn. So go Sharks!
Booo. Maybe I should break in the deadthing's locker room and pee on Datsyuk's jersey.
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dogma wrote: So how does our resident Blues fan feel about the goalie swap, or Hitchcock's chances at keeping his job?
Was a fan of it in Game 4 as the Blues were spectating too much around Elliot than playing defense.
We're going back to Elliot tonight.
I'm not hopeful that the Blues will win the next two games... Man the Sharks are good.
I personally want to thank the Leafs for giving up on Kessel. The guy was a total beast in the playoffs and the HBK line dominated throughout the playoffs. The Pens started out slow this season and people around here where calling for the GM head. Amazing how a coaching change and a style of hockey that worked for the players turned the team around.
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you up big time if you did!
