Saw this on Natfka. Didn't see anything posted here.

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/10/rumors-of-nid-november.html

Nid November? That has a certain familiar ring to it. This is a rumor that is showing up now, and I am hoping that we can get some solid confirmations and additional information soon on this. A super psychic monster and gigantic creatures as a separate army sounds interesting.



These are rumors at this point. I am digging to see what else shows up alongside this, but hopefully we will get more info soon. Seeing 40k continue into November is a good thing.

via Adeptus Astartes Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/AAStudios?fref=photo
Our little mole at Warhammer World has been whispering:
"In November a new Tyranid army is being launched as 'super psychic' monsters with new psychic monstrous and gigantic creatures being released as a independent army like the mechanicum and cult mechanicum"

If true, god help us what the pricing will be. Seeing what Tau is, I am really hoping this rumour is false so I can buy Christmas gifts first and not miss out on any limited edition stuff that could go on with Nids.

Then again, rumour is new army, not a new codex. So who knows, it could be like last year, in November I believe, Nids could just get new minis and rules.

Well.. the nids don't seem to have much in the way of GMC's at the moment outside of Forge World stuff... Though they did have a new psychic monster last time? I'll keep this super salty though until we have more reliable sources than Natfka and FB Adeptus Astartes

Excited for Nids. The summer of AoS and the ensuing ennui has sapped my interest in GW. Here's hoping the Nids can bring me back.

Is this gonna come out before or after Tzeentch Daemonkin?

Pft yea, and Grizzly Adams had a beard.

November of which year?

T

I almost hope not... Plastic Heresy, Eldar Exodites, new Nids, new Chaos... If all these rumors are true, I'll have to spend the moth in my wallet too...

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
I almost hope not... Plastic Heresy, Eldar Exodites, new Nids, new Chaos... If all these rumors are true, I'll have to spend the moth in my wallet too...

Eldar Exodites? Have i missed something

IA:11 is rumored to be the next Imperial Armour being redone. Atleast according to Natfka.

 Iechine wrote:
Pft yea, and Grizzly Adams had a beard.

Grizzly Adams DID have a beard!

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
IA:11 is rumored to be the next Imperial Armour being redone. Atleast according to Natfka.

it's not rumoured, it's confirmed, but that's Corsairs, not Exodites

Oh that's right. Corsairs. My mistake. Too caught up on dino riding.

All I have to say is:

Let it be a dominatrix. Please let it be a dominatrix. Don't even care when the new codex comes out if it's a dominatrix

An interesting rumor, thanks for sharing it. How reliable has Adeptus Astartes been in the past? They are not on Pretre's tracker yet, are they?

They certainly have some sort of connection in GW (although I've not seem anything very far in advance from them),

but they've also put up putuative info with 'with salt' warnings and later retracted them as they've proved to be junk,

so I belive they've been handed the rumour from somebody they trust to some extent (so not cilckbait city),

but not necessarily that it will turn out to be right

Don't know... What kind of army should that be? The Hive Mind incarnate? An elite force blasting the enemy away and/or doing some Enslaver stuff?

 luke1705 wrote:
All I have to say is:

Let it be a dominatrix. Please let it be a dominatrix. Don't even care when the new codex comes out if it's a dominatrix

That's the epitome of 'super psychic' and 'gargantuan', sure. But it exists to controll and lead huge swarms to big for mere Hive Tyrants, not a circle of elite psykers. Would be cool, though.

If it's true I guess the Maleceptor will get some new rules (easy to manage, it's not in the codex).

I hope it doesn't look derpy.

Please GW give Nids something very nice.

It would most certainly sell a lot

Thanks, Orlando, good to know

 Medium of Death wrote:
I hope it doesn't look derpy.

Please GW give Nids something very nice.

Spoiler:

Plastic Hierophant anyone?

Heirophant isn't psychic. Gigantic psychic Tyranid (psychic) screams Dominatrix.

I'll be honest, if they do a good 40k scale Dominatrix model, I'll do my best to hunt one down at a good discount. I've wanted one for a long time.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I hope it doesn't look derpy.

Please GW give Nids something very nice.

Spoiler:

Plastic Hierophant anyone?

Heirophant isn't psychic. Gigantic psychic Tyranid (psychic) screams Dominatrix.

I'll be honest, if they do a good 40k scale Dominatrix model, I'll do my best to hunt one down at a good discount. I've wanted one for a long time.

You and me both brother. If of course, by "hunt one down at a discount", you mean "purchase immediately and unashamedly at full retail from my FLGS"

Not bashing bargain hunting FWIW. Just very excited by even the remote possibility

Lol wtf, an independent army? God GW's greed affecting the lore is hardly new but this is just sad

I recall someone saying a Genestealer cult was inbound. I was not around for the original G-Cult but they may have a psychic hitch and maybe a big papa cult leader.

 Fishboy wrote:
I recall someone saying a Genestealer cult was inbound. I was not around for the original G-Cult but they may have a psychic hitch and maybe a big papa cult leader.

Patriarchs (now Broodlords) are not gigantic by any interpretation of the word. Neither is anything else associated with Genestealers.

Also, Alan Merett hates them, so don't expect them to ever make a return.

It'd be a real shame if the Genestealer Cult rumours amounted to just a new super-expensive plastic super-psychic 'Nid creature and a Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It'd be a real shame if the Genestealer Cult rumours amounted to just a new super-expensive plastic super-psychic 'Nid creature and a Codex.

The original rumour was a board game GSC vs. Deathwatch - this new rumour doesn't sound related.

-Loki- wrote:Also, Alan Merett hates them, so don't expect them to ever make a return.

I guess he did, maybe he still do. But I don't think that matters that much anymore. He approved so many things in the past years that I wonder if he's still in the position to just say 'No'.

 -Loki- wrote:

 Medium of Death wrote:
I hope it doesn't look derpy.

Please GW give Nids something very nice.

Spoiler:

Plastic Hierophant anyone?

Heirophant isn't psychic. Gigantic psychic Tyranid (psychic) screams Dominatrix.

I'll be honest, if they do a good 40k scale Dominatrix model, I'll do my best to hunt one down at a good discount. I've wanted one for a long time.

While not exactly the most psychic thing in the Tyranid arsenal, it kinda is psychic as it has a warp field and back in 4th edition it was a psyker.

If true, it sounds like fun.
It would be strange to se a new army with brand new fluff though. Mechanicum and Harlequins had a solid fluff base,
so this approach of something unheard of sounds like a brand new approach for GW.

Lets hope its a Daemon kin style fusion, where the tyranids use psychic mindcontrol
to get human allies/slaves, or something.

Edit: When I think about it, it sounds unlikely GW would gamble with something brand new at this point.
AoS is probably still to much of a gamble with new stuff and lore, so they probably play 40k
really safe for now, like with releasing a new codex and gargantuans for one of their top tier Xenos, Tau.

A 'new army'? Nah, not unless that just means someone's army is featured in Visions

A plastic mega-nid? Just maybe. Converting a FW beasty into plastic would seem relatively little work.

Genestealer Cult? Also just maybe, although not sure what they'd do re models. The _sensible_ option for Cultists themselves would be a conversion set for use with any humanoid models you like (IG, Chaos cultists, quite a few WHFB models), but GW would probably be too scared that customers would use such a kit on non-GW models. So a specific Genestealer Cultists kit would be more likely, even though it would be rather similar to e.g. Chaos cultists.

But so long as they release a Cultist limousine, I won't be complaining

The gene stealer cult is a different rumour - from Hastings on warseer so pretty reliable but no time frame and he mentioned hybrids, limo, magus type release. This might be Tyranids:Bio knight-type feel with a single kit maybe building a psychic version [dominatrix] and assault/shooty build. A single kit/book release would be doable in the timeframe. As much as I really, really want a lovely big Nid kit- for that reason alone I doubt it and doesn't this sound like the BoLs release rumours earlier in the year which were bobbins?
Hope it is true, doubt it though.

Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.

Sad Panda wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.

Cheers! No sign of the big Nid beastie then I take it?

What if the two are unrelated? What if it's Gene cult is coming AND nids get a psychic giant monster (something to match knights).

Sad Panda, is there a chance for another campaign book in the next weeks? Tau vs Tyranids? You mentioned the odd decurion for Tau in upcoming campaign books and last years Leviathan and Exterminatus were doing exactly this (for Necrons and Nids as far as I remember - before the new Necron codex arrived in Jan 2015).

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well.. the nids don't seem to have much in the way of GMC's at the moment outside of Forge World stuff... Though they did have a new psychic monster last time? I'll keep this super salty though until we have more reliable sources than Natfka and FB Adeptus Astartes

To be honest 'nids are the only army I can think of that actually had something downgrade from Gargantuan to MC - hello Mr Trygon! We all remember you.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well.. the nids don't seem to have much in the way of GMC's at the moment outside of Forge World stuff... Though they did have a new psychic monster last time? I'll keep this super salty though until we have more reliable sources than Natfka and FB Adeptus Astartes

To be honest 'nids are the only army I can think of that actually had something downgrade from Gargantuan to MC - hello Mr Trygon! We all remember you.

Wasn't the FW Trygon bigger though?

Oh lord, if both my armies get updated in a two month span (Nids and Tau) I don't know that I'll be able to keep the heat on through winter...

Is it ok for me to wish for a massive necron walker to combat everyone else's walkers and giant monstrous creatures?

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well.. the nids don't seem to have much in the way of GMC's at the moment outside of Forge World stuff... Though they did have a new psychic monster last time? I'll keep this super salty though until we have more reliable sources than Natfka and FB Adeptus Astartes

To be honest 'nids are the only army I can think of that actually had something downgrade from Gargantuan to MC - hello Mr Trygon! We all remember you.

Wasn't the FW Trygon bigger though?

Doesn't look like it.

http://www.spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/trygon.jpg

 Sword Of Caliban wrote:
Is it ok for me to wish for a massive necron walker to combat everyone else's walkers and giant monstrous creatures?

What's wrong with the giant pyramids of doom and giant laser turrets?

Sad Panda wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.

Thanks for the info, man.

Guys like you and Hastings are reliable as can be, but it's been such a long wait for Genestealer Cult stuff that I can still hardly believe it. Of course, I guess the big question is exactly what form the GCult stuff will take in 40K...Tyranid army list entry, codex of their own, etc.

I'd say that I can't wait, but I actually can. If it's definitely going to happen...I can be patient and wait 'til next year. I'm just glad it's happening.


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 Bulldogging wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Well.. the nids don't seem to have much in the way of GMC's at the moment outside of Forge World stuff... Though they did have a new psychic monster last time? I'll keep this super salty though until we have more reliable sources than Natfka and FB Adeptus Astartes

To be honest 'nids are the only army I can think of that actually had something downgrade from Gargantuan to MC - hello Mr Trygon! We all remember you.

Wasn't the FW Trygon bigger though?

Doesn't look like it.

http://www.spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/trygon.jpg

Yeah, I only both versions and they're basically identical in size. The FW version just has much nicer details.

Sad Panda wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.

EF?

Execution Force.

Ah, thanks.

This literally made my day yesterday hearing this... if we can get a Knight or Knigh+ sized GMC I would well I would buy 3 but I would also cry tears of joy.. maybe literally. I really cannot wait.. this coupled with the rumor that nids get a full release early in 2016 is too much. Thank god I've got a bunch of gift cards to local shops otherwise I think I'd have to worry about financial ruin too.

New super psychic monster? Independent army? A Genestealer cult release would bring me back to spending money on GW again....

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

Alan Merrett isn't a fan of Genestealer Cult, which is why they haven't really been seen in a long time outside of BL novels. I'd absolutely love to see them again but I wouldn't count on it. They're still mentioned in the fluff, so I wouldn't take much heed in that - Squats were mentioned in the 6th ed rulebook and we haven't seen hide nor beardhair of them yet.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

To be honest 'nids are the only army I can think of that actually had something downgrade from Gargantuan to MC - hello Mr Trygon! We all remember you.

Necron Trancendant C'Tan ?

Sad Panda wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:
Genestaeler cult is oretty much a given. Hasting is the most reliabke.rumourmonger, and its not a coincidence that the new sm codex mention the purge of a cult

True. Deathwatch/Genestealer Cult will almost certainly be the next board game after EF and Calth. But not this year.

What's EF and Calth ?

The first is probably Execution force, as others have mentionned, but I have no clue about the second

Calth is likely to be the Horus Heresy boardgame which comes with plastic Marines (and hopefully more than the leaked ones) that is rumored to be available for preorder in early November 2015.

What is the 'thrope model that is a FW exclusive? Would be cool if they released that in GW plastic. Plastic Lictors would be neat too. If they do a small range update of Nids every year, I would be fine with it. But likely we are going to be seeing Nids released for 7th soon enough. Yay two year rules turnover!

Only just got the last codex in preparation of starting nids lol

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But likely we are going to be seeing Nids released for 7th soon enough. Yay two year rules turnover!

That's not new though. If I remember right, Tyranids are the only race other than Space Marines to get a new codex every edition since 2nd.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But likely we are going to be seeing Nids released for 7th soon enough. Yay two year rules turnover!

That's not new though. If I remember right, Tyranids are the only race other than Space Marines to get a new codex every edition since 2nd.

Imperial Guard, too. Who could also use an update.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But likely we are going to be seeing Nids released for 7th soon enough. Yay two year rules turnover!

That's not new though. If I remember right, Tyranids are the only race other than Space Marines to get a new codex every edition since 2nd.

Although I'd argue that no army has been as all over the place as Tyranids have been.

2nd edition codex - Fast and deadly
3rd edition rulebook list - Slow moving steamroller horde
3rd edition codex - Mutable genus and mutant hordes
4th edition codex - Dakkafex spam, Stealer Shock
5th edition codex - Tervigons, Trygons and Swarmlord, oh my!
6th edition codex - FMC spam

Plus some transitional variants after edition switches.

Every codex writer has interpreted them differently. It'd be nice if they could choose a very general approach and stick with it for more than one edition.

 gorgon wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
But likely we are going to be seeing Nids released for 7th soon enough. Yay two year rules turnover!

That's not new though. If I remember right, Tyranids are the only race other than Space Marines to get a new codex every edition since 2nd.

Although I'd argue that no army has been as all over the place as Tyranids have been.

2nd edition codex - Fast and deadly
3rd edition rulebook list - Slow moving steamroller horde
3rd edition codex - Mutable genus and mutant hordes
4th edition codex - Dakkafex spam, Stealer Shock
5th edition codex - Tervigons, Trygons and Swarmlord, oh my!
6th edition codex - FMC spam

Plus some transitional variants after edition switches.

Every codex writer has interpreted them differently. It'd be nice if they could choose a very general approach and stick with it for more than one edition.

But then you wouldn’t have to re-buy your army every edition. Let’s not talk crazy here.

Actually, that reminds me. I prolly shouldn't spend the money to build out Skyblight right now.. Should wait for the new codex and stick to my guns as a primarily groundbound swarm...

I must be one of the few Nid players that doesn't want to see a new codex, but that's only because I don't want to see a bunch of stuff get invalidated and just poof into the ether.

Right now, there's Leviathan, the codex and a mass of dataslates. However, considering that they just dropped War Zone Damocles: Kauyon for the Tau that's supposed to have "Everything in it" for Tau, gives me a little bit of hope, if they do drop a new 'dex for us.

I don't think we'll get new stuff in November though, I'm thinking it won't happen until Jan..which is everything I've heard from various sources. I dunno if it'll just be Genstealer Cult or what though.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Calth is likely to be the Horus Heresy board game which comes with plastic Marines (and hopefully more than the leaked ones) that is rumored to be available for preorder in early November 2015.

ICYMI- Betrayal at Calth confirmed today.

 Schlyne wrote:
I must be one of the few Nid players that doesn't want to see a new codex, but that's only because I don't want to see a bunch of stuff get invalidated and just poof into the ether.

Right now, there's Leviathan, the codex and a mass of dataslates. However, considering that they just dropped War Zone Damocles: Kauyon for the Tau that's supposed to have "Everything in it" for Tau, gives me a little bit of hope, if they do drop a new 'dex for us.

I don't think we'll get new stuff in November though, I'm thinking it won't happen until Jan..which is everything I've heard from various sources. I dunno if it'll just be Genstealer Cult or what though.

Nothing about the Tau was invalidated or removed. A new Tyranid codex would simply collect all the new stuff from last year, and almost certainly a Bugcurion detachment and the various formations under a single cover.

Still, the Chaos part of me can't help but feel insanely jealous that yet another army could likely be jumping the cue ahead of us.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Bugcurion detachment

You might have just coined the name with that one. No matter what it is, shorthand will be Bugcurion.

Oc-tau-ber and Nid-vember? What's next? :p

 mazik765 wrote:
Oc-tau-ber and Nid-vember? What's next? :p

Horusherecember?

Well given that HH launches in November, probably not...

I'm furious at the lousy state of 'Nids, and I very much doubt a new Tyranid codex would fix the glaring issues I see with the army.

I like the minis, but GW can go feth itself on keeping me interested in their rules.

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm furious at the lousy state of 'Nids, and I very much doubt a new Tyranid codex would fix the glaring issues I see with the army.

Especially if a new 'Nid Codex is just a 'here are the new models, other rules stay the same' kinda update like the Tau one is.

God I hope that doesn't become a trend...

Shall we try to build a time line?
We got some AoS with lizardmen coming out,
And they dropped the horus heresy teaser, so we know thats coming, So 3rd week of november maybe the second part of damocles? could have nids in it, tho I assumed something farsight was related,

Question does GW release new stuff the month of december? if so id hedge my bets on a december being either nids or AoS the following month or vica vercea

 Girrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Shall we try to build a time line?
We got some AoS with lizardmen coming out,
And they dropped the horus heresy teaser, so we know thats coming, So 3rd week of november maybe the second part of damocles? could have nids in it, tho I assumed something farsight was related,

Question does GW release new stuff the month of december? if so id hedge my bets on a december being either nids or AoS the following month or vica vercea

Blood Angels were December last year IIRC with a little bit of Smaug the Golden for The Hobbit.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Girrrrrrrrrrr wrote:
Shall we try to build a time line?
We got some AoS with lizardmen coming out,
And they dropped the horus heresy teaser, so we know thats coming, So 3rd week of november maybe the second part of damocles? could have nids in it, tho I assumed something farsight was related,

Question does GW release new stuff the month of december? if so id hedge my bets on a december being either nids or AoS the following month or vica vercea

Blood Angels were December last year IIRC with a little bit of Smaug the Golden for The Hobbit.

They were split between both months. This year is Heresember though.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm furious at the lousy state of 'Nids, and I very much doubt a new Tyranid codex would fix the glaring issues I see with the army.

Especially if a new 'Nid Codex is just a 'here are the new models, other rules stay the same' kinda update like the Tau one is.

God I hope that doesn't become a trend...

Well, the people who have built 'armies' of four flyrants and precious little else would be fine with that, I'm sure. But it would be disheartening for those of us who are genuine fans of the army who want to use the rest of our stuff.

The army needs a real overhaul, but I think it's unlikely that we'll see one.

Space Hulk did not get more than one or two weeks so why should the HH game. I dont think it will be a long release. Nids, Tau, more AoS all still possible in 2016

Edited for clarity

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm furious at the lousy state of 'Nids, and I very much doubt a new Tyranid codex would fix the glaring issues I see with the army.

Especially if a new 'Nid Codex is just a 'here are the new models, other rules stay the same' kinda update like the Tau one is.

God I hope that doesn't become a trend...

The big thing about any of the new codices are the formations, imo. If Tyranids get, say, a formation that lets Lictors charge after Infiltrate/Outflank/Deep Strike, it'll change the dynamic of that unit. If they get a formation that gives makes Dakkafexes better, MC spam lists might make a comeback. Or a formation that lets a MC take a Look Out Sir as long as there are Termagants/Hormagaunts within 6" even though they're not a squad.

The formations that do exist are actually pretty good. If they all got added in with a few new ones and suddenly there was a Detachment Bonus (like the Decurion 4+ RP) that had some sort of boost for every model in Synapse range that was part of the Detachment, we could see some seriously different lists.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I'm furious at the lousy state of 'Nids, and I very much doubt a new Tyranid codex would fix the glaring issues I see with the army.

Especially if a new 'Nid Codex is just a 'here are the new models, other rules stay the same' kinda update like the Tau one is.

God I hope that doesn't become a trend...

Become? It is the trend. SM were the same and so were Eldar apart from Exarch powers, pretty much.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Become? It is the trend. SM were the same and so were Eldar apart from Exarch powers, pretty much.

Except GW has never said "Nah brah, you can just get this and keep your existing Codex! You don't need the new one!" before. Ever. Until now.

This means that if this becomes the norm then being stuck with a gak Codex (like the 'Nids) then too bad, you're gonna be stuck with that for a while longer.

And the previous Eldar Codex was riddled with Strength D? I don't remember that...

Ughh. Is it so hard to decide on a design paradigm and stick with it through at least one edition?

 Eldarain wrote:
Ughh. Is it so hard to decide on a design paradigm and stick with it through at least one edition?

Beware what you're asking for! The day it'll happen is the day GW will update its editions every 6 months!

I personally would like to see the mid size mobs be able to join a unit, having a zoan or a venomthrope sniped out in the first turn by an ignores cover shot is extremely frustrating.

Having regen work different would also be more useful as a biomorph, changing it from it will not die for 30p having a 5+ FNP for 30p seems to me to be priced better, either that or lower the cost for IWND.

Having synapse do more than fearless would also promote a bit more synergy, I really liked the old Tervigon rules where you could buff the squishy's you expelled with their creator was a great rule.

Heck giving squishys a 6+ FNP if near a GC or your warlord might change it up as well

If they got some good formations then you'll be happy. Tyranids need a slightly bigger push than Tau but not too much. Your codex wasn't all that bad. So I might expect at least a few points tweaks, but otherwise mostly just some solid formations.

Assuming GW doesn't take leave of their senses. Good luck.

Yeah, I couldn't disagree more with that. What Tyranid players could use are more of the stinker units -- and there are plenty -- to improve and create more options for army building.

A few formations that drive army composition down a very narrow path or two really doesn't improve the situation. I want some interesting variety, not an OP build or two.

Having said that, I only expect some minor tweaks. They had opportunities with the last codex to price Genestealers appropriately, improve some of the MCs, etc. and they chose not to. And they probably won't mess with the Leviathan units much, some of which were DOA.

 gorgon wrote:
Yeah, I couldn't disagree more with that. What Tyranid players could use are more of the stinker units -- and there are plenty -- to improve and create more options for army building.

A few formations that drive army composition down a very narrow path or two really doesn't improve the situation. I want some interesting variety, not an OP build or two.

Having said that, I only expect some minor tweaks. They had opportunities with the last codex to price Genestealers appropriately, improve some of the MCs, etc. and they chose not to. And they probably won't mess with the Leviathan units much, some of which were DOA.

I'd love the bad units to be buffed as much as the next guy, but tell me this:

If the big "Nidecurion" bonus was "All models from this formation have FNP and Eternal Warrior while in Synapse", would you be mad? I mean, that basically bring Warriors back as decent units, makes almost all the bigger bugs decent, and might actually make foot Tyrants worth taking (since Tyrant Guard would be much harder to take down). Not to mention that mass blobs of little bugs would be much harder to kill overall.

Requizen wrote:
If the big "Nidecurion" bonus was "All models from this formation have FNP and Eternal Warrior while in Synapse", would you be mad?

Of course, because it doesn't fix the underlying problem of the book being full of gak units.

Meh, if we get a few new things, and all the existing unit and formation dataslates in one book I'll be happy.

I fear a nerf of twin linked devourers with Brain leeches.

I sincerely hope the Tyranids doesnt get the Tau treatment. Tau atleast had a somewhat solid codex, couple new units and formations was really all it needed (though some number tweaks would have been nice on say stealthsuits, but off topic). Tyranids need a damn near complete rewrite their dex is so lousy.

I love tyranid models, always have. But theyre the only army whose abysmal rules deter me from picking them up. While i DONT want them to get Biomancy access back because tyrants with ironarm was absolute bull**** to deal with, they need some seriously better powers.

As for GMCs i could see them getting a smaller but still a GMC Harridan (as in one thats ~400pts when kitted out and killable but not easily like the Stormsurge ended up as). While i could also see the Trygon becoming a GMC once again, that'd be a bit lame to just bump it to GMC status considering all GMCs are much bigger than it is now.

So no actual updates here, just wishlisting?

Not to sound rude but I keep popping in only to find nothing actually indicating a Tyranid release.

With the Horus Heresy game confirmed for early November, and no rumor-mongers backing Naftka on "Nidvember" (or even "nids soon"?) this seems really false... best to let the thread fall down the page unless there is any real info to discuss.

It's the cult or it was last time I was informed

Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it. I have a hard time believing they'll be getting an updated model with "new weapon options" when they already have 4. Why would they get a new kit and not Hormagaunts?

Fingers crossed for a gakky new GMC called the "Galactovore" or something equally horrendous, bristling with melee D-weapons while still being like toughness 5 with a 6'' move 'cause 'nids.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Fingers crossed for a gakky new GMC called the "Galactovore" or something equally horrendous, bristling with melee D-weapons while still being like toughness 5 with a 6'' move 'cause 'nids.

Odds on it'll be that. Nothing T7+ for us 'Nid players...

@HBMC: Purely anecdotal but my experience across several groups over the last decade - I'm seen more as a Games Master running a bunch of villains to be mown down at range and beaten snotless in assault for the enjoyment of the Protagonist than a fellow gamer.

GW seem to agree with that. Orks get more attacks on the charge than a four armed 'stealer for IIRC half the points, just as one example.

Heck, 'stealers have a sprue full of upgrade heads that they couldn't be bothered doing anything with last time I checked.

I wouldn't be that bothered if we simply got a new codex with no model releases.

 Souleater wrote:
@HBMC: Purely anecdotal but my experience across several groups over the last decade - I'm seen more as a Games Master running a bunch of villains to be mown down at range and beaten snotless in assault for the enjoyment of the Protagonist than a fellow gamer.

GW seem to agree with that. Orks get more attacks on the charge than a four armed 'stealer for IIRC half the points, just as one example.

Heck, 'stealers have a sprue full of upgrade heads that they couldn't be bothered doing anything with last time I checked.

I wouldn't be that bothered if we simply got a new codex with no model releases.

And at the same time, Tau have the ability to;

Move 6" ---> Shoot (With long range, cumbersome rifles with excellent accuracy) ---> Run 6" ---> (Some then have the ability to move during the Assault phase)

IN THE SAME TIME IT TAKES AN ORK TO;

Move 6" ---> Run 6" or shoot like a slow.

Seriously GW?

I don't care about anything but a 5++ on the friggin Tyrants and other MCs. Maybe a 4++ on the Tyrant because it needs it.

If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it.

This is exactly why GW don't announce things more than a few days before release. They want your impulse-purchases, but not at the cost of your normal, planned consumption of plastic crack.

I bet there are quite a few miserable Nid players that bought the Malfunctor/Toxicreme kit before they read the rules.

 mazik765 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

You are infact wrong.

The stompas mega choppa is strength D so the orks have some strength D just no shooting. Don't think space wolves have any strength D, might be wrong. But wolves came after orks i think.

 Souleater wrote:
@HBMC: Purely anecdotal but my experience across several groups over the last decade - I'm seen more as a Games Master running a bunch of villains to be mown down at range and beaten snotless in assault for the enjoyment of the Protagonist than a fellow gamer.

GW seem to agree with that. Orks get more attacks on the charge than a four armed 'stealer for IIRC half the points, just as one example.

Heck, 'stealers have a sprue full of upgrade heads that they couldn't be bothered doing anything with last time I checked.

I wouldn't be that bothered if we simply got a new codex with no model releases.

Yeah, I've said it before -- to get inside the studio's head, you have to think about things from a narrative viewpoint. Tyranids obviously aren't the hero of the story, but they also aren't a proper villain in the same way as Chaos, DE, Orks, etc. can be. They're a faceless, amoral force of nature to be overcome.

And that's why in the game a mighty Trygon can be killed by a force thumbtack, while human(-ish) heroes get access to a rule that lets them stand at ground zero of a Typhon's Dreadhammer cannon blast and only take a single wound. With rules like Eternal Warrior, it's not about realism or gameplay or balance...it's about creating those narrative moments in games where heroes get to be heroic.

That's why we aren't going to get gribblies or even medium creatures that bolters can't mow down like grass. That's why we aren't going to get MCs that can't get beat down by human(-ish) heroes doing heroic things. GW wants those narrative, cinematic moments in games, and Tyranids are naturally on the other side of that. It is what it is.

As a longtime Tyranid player, I've become resigned to the fact that I'm going to get some really nice looking models, that the attractiveness of the rules for said models will be a crapshoot, and that each new codex will drive Tyranid army composition in a completely different thematic direction.

I don't expect some of the awful Leviathan MCs to get fixed. They were obviously doubleplusungood from the beginning, and we should assume GW is fine with them that way. And I don't think we're going to get fixes for all the underwhelming gribblies and medium creatures. I do, however, expect a bugcurion that provides huge benefits so long as players build their armies in a very specific way.

Yes, this does sound a bit negative coming from me, but it's on GW to prove me wrong at this point. In a few months, I fully expect the cry to be:

Codex: Winged Tyrants is dead! All hail Codex: Bugcurion!

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it. I have a hard time believing they'll be getting an updated model with "new weapon options" when they already have 4. Why would they get a new kit and not Hormagaunts?

Do you remember that one kid in school whose uncle 'worked for Nintendo' and knew how to get the full Triforce and had to tell everyone about it? That's Larry Vela / BOLS. The only difference is that he wants pages hits instead of attention.

Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

 daemonish wrote:
Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

I expect Q1 but the small format & paperback are still available.

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Codex-Tyranids-Small-Format

 daemonish wrote:
Well looks like the codex is "no longer available" on the UK website, so maybe Nidcember.

Yeah, seeing as November is almost done. I'm getting confused trying to keep all these rumoured releases straight. Nidve3mber? CSM? AM/IG in the new year? And where does AoS and the new HHBC and related stuff fit in? Looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.

-C6

 ceorron wrote:

 mazik765 wrote:

 ceorron wrote:
If I had to guess at tthe GMC i'd say the hierophant or a mini-heirophant like creature. That seems to be the most probable to me some how. Also no strength D, GW will justyfy this by saying you already got strength 10 in there and D is a bit strong for 'nids. (orks didn't get any strength D shooting so very unlikely with nids).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the Ork/Space Wolves codex were released before D-strength weapons in the codex were a thing. That being said I'm not familiar at all with how long Eldar have had it for.

You are infact wrong.

The stompas mega choppa is strength D so the orks have some strength D just no shooting. Don't think space wolves have any strength D, might be wrong. But wolves came after orks i think.

Stompa has literally always had that Str D melee attack. Stompa was just officially codex'd in, its not new in fact its been nerfed.

Ork dex felt like to me they wanted to bring 40k into a more well-rounded manor since they have very little glaring problems to me, but have no overpowered gak either. That opinion went right out the window with the next few releases and i have once again shelved my orks.
However orks did get a Str D shooting attack. SAG boxcars is a Str D Vortex now instead of removes models, which is actually much stronger and removes any rule conflicts people loved to argue about with the old one. Not like i'd call that a legit Str D though since ive YET to roll that with the new dex.

It felt like they completely flipped their mentality after the ork dex, including with increasing squad sizes everywhere. Deffdredds would have benefited hugely from that.

anyway this is about nids.

I honestly wouldnt expect any non-psyker based Str D shooting in the codex, but i would be surprised if their rumored GMC doesnt have D melee attacks. Theyre more shooty than Orks but theyre still a melee army. And i swear to god if that GMC is easier to kill than my storm surge what the fething hell GW lol. Tyranid MCs/GMCs shouldnt be the easiest to kill period. Even my Ghostkeel is way more durable than a flyrant and thats just wrong.

Is there any valid rumor to Nidvember? Any new info on kits?

nope.

 ntdars wrote:
Does anyone have any new info on Q1 Nids next year?

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/10/40k-rumors-about-those-q1-tyranids.html

I was thinking of scoring big on some Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals and putting together a cheap Nid army - but if something as basic as Termagaunts are getting new kits, I don't think it'll be worth it. I have a hard time believing they'll be getting an updated model with "new weapon options" when they already have 4. Why would they get a new kit and not Hormagaunts?

Which Black Friday/Cyber Monday deals are you talking about?

each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

iNcontroL wrote:
each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

Keep reaching for that rainbow, novembers not finished yet!

Joyboozer wrote:

iNcontroL wrote:
each time you guys bump this with nothing new to offer a little bit of my soul dies -.-

Keep reaching for that rainbow, novembers not finished yet!

It might as well be. We have new Archaon, new Tau, new Asta Militarium, but no new Tyranid rumors. If they're really supposed to be released Q1 2016, we still have 4 months.

Going to close this for now.

I'm sure the Hivemind will have its moment.