Urgh, what's a "battle royal"? And I agree on the size of the board, it's hard to imagine there'll be much maneuvering involved in the gameplay. Have to wait and see, I suppose. I'm still all about these money-saving bundle games though, long may they continue!
H.B.M.C. wrote: Arena doesn't look big enough. Not enough room to swing a skull-hammer-flail-thing.
Yep, not too much space to navigate, either. Looks like a 3x3 grid, or maybe 5x5?
I do find it a bit annoying that instead of returning SGs with more depth, like Necromunda or BFG, they keep on releasing these small 'fun to play a couple of times' games. Not everything has to have a thick rulebook, but it would be nice to have bit more expandability, so the game could start building a proper fanbase.
Make the arena 2-3x the size (as in a regular boardgame), introduce some obstacles etc. on the table, and add teams with 1-4 models or so. Mordheim junior, done.
A battle royal is basically a big free for all all fighting each other, the winner is the last one standing. Am interested in this, and I already own half of the miniatures.
Is 2016 set to be a record year for GW boxed game/rules releases?
Official confirmation of a product more than two weeks out.
*edit: Okay, I know they've been talking about the General's Handbook for a week or two, but a three-month lead is unheard of lately.
It's the same as Lost Patrol that just came out I think.
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Thraxas Of Turai wrote: A battle royal is basically a big free for all all fighting each other, the winner is the last one standing. Am interested in this, and I already own half of the miniatures.
Is 2016 set to be a record year for GW boxed game/rules releases?
I think they meant because it should be Battle Royale, not Royal.
H.B.M.C. wrote: Arena doesn't look big enough. Not enough room to swing a skull-hammer-flail-thing.
Yep, not too much space to navigate, either. Looks like a 3x3 grid, or maybe 5x5?
I do find it a bit annoying that instead of returning SGs with more depth, like Necromunda or BFG, they keep on releasing these small 'fun to play a couple of times' games. Not everything has to have a thick rulebook, but it would be nice to have bit more expandability, so the game could start building a proper fanbase.
Make the arena 2-3x the size (as in a regular boardgame), introduce some obstacles etc. on the table, and add teams with 1-4 models or so. Mordheim junior, done.
They are returning to the specialist games, as well. Blood Bowl is out early next year I think, Adeptus Titanicus is in the works, the others are no doubt on the way.
prowla wrote:
I do find it a bit annoying that instead of returning SGs with more depth, like Necromunda or BFG, they keep on releasing these small 'fun to play a couple of times' games. Not everything has to have a thick rulebook, but it would be nice to have bit more expandability, so the game could start building a proper fanbase.
I think this is done for two reasons. One is to make the minis cheaper. I don't know why Mr Roundtree will just not cut prices. Maybe not to embarrass Kirby or maybe it's a GW law that they can't do it. Who knows. Two I think they are doing these small releases so they put the "game" back in Game Workshop and/or not spend millions of dollars changing everything to Warhammer or Warhammer stores. Either the Warhammer store experiment failed and or it costs too much money to change ALL the stores to it.
I only want the Slaughterpriest with axe, but a fun little game would be ace. I can get my brother to play "sports" games like BB, but he's too scared that "proper" games like 40k, WHFB, Mordheim etc. would be too difficult for him*. Even boardgames like ZCide and Deathwatch. Having a couple dudes walk around and bash each other? That'd work, I hope.
What is 60 bucks in € in GW's currency converter?
*yes, I pointed out that BB is a lot more tactically challenging
prowla wrote:
I do find it a bit annoying that instead of returning SGs with more depth, like Necromunda or BFG, they keep on releasing these small 'fun to play a couple of times' games. Not everything has to have a thick rulebook, but it would be nice to have bit more expandability, so the game could start building a proper fanbase.
I think this is done for two reasons. One is to make the minis cheaper. I don't know why Mr Roundtree will just not cut prices. Maybe not to embarrass Kirby or maybe it's a GW law that they can't do it. Who knows. Two I think they are doing these small releases so they put the "game" back in Game Workshop and/or not spend millions of dollars changing everything to Warhammer or Warhammer stores. Either the Warhammer store experiment failed and or it costs too much money to change ALL the stores to it.
Hmm.. not sure if $60 for four characters + some rules and cards is cheap or expensive. I think they have found a new class of product, 'generic clampacks', that are relatively quickly produced by recycling existing 3d models + maybe sculpting an extra bit or two, and then get bundled in sets like this. Same thing with the army boxes that include a unique monopose terminator captains, etc.
I have a feeling these small sets are something apart from SGs and more about increasing the sales of existing / soon-to-be-clampack models by adding some extra value, in form of a boxed set with rules. The flyer / knight double boxes are all about "why not buy two!", with a heavy marketing vibe, as well.
Then again, I guess it's positive that they are trying something new. Almost feels like they're trying to run a proper business!
Davor wrote: I think this is done for two reasons. One is to make the minis cheaper. I don't know why Mr Roundtree will just not cut prices.
It's a perception thing. You don't lower prices on existing items unless you're willing to admit they're not going to sell otherwise. Investors don't like that. I'd rather expect a new pricing structure for future releases if someone at GW is really looking at fixing the broken wheels. Maybe an adjustment during reboxing.
That, and even though the total price of the package is much lower than the individual components (not even counting the game itself), you still have to pay 60 bucks for it. If you only want one or two of those guys, it's not exactly a straight up discount, unless you're willing to do some ebaying.
I have been thinking about getting this game more and more thoughout the day. September gives me a nice amount of time to finish off some current projects too.
Bottle wrote: How much do we think this will be in pounds? £35?
I have been thinking about getting this game more and more thoughout the day. September gives me a nice amount of time to finish off some current projects too.
For reference for all posters(not just picking on you here): GW prices their items based upon "price bands". You can easily figure out how much something will be based upon the price given elsewhere. To use this "Gorechosen" set as an example: The USD price listed is $60. Items in that price band include Lost Patrol, the Terminator Command Squad, and a Hammerhead; which are 35 GBP.
Bottle wrote: How much do we think this will be in pounds? £35?
I have been thinking about getting this game more and more thoughout the day. September gives me a nice amount of time to finish off some current projects too.
motski wrote: I hope they put out a Nurgle game where four heroes get together in a pit and vomit on each other
And then there is the Slaanesh one...
Maybe have like a warhammer quest sorta thing to find Slaanesh? Maybe have some Slaanesh characters fight their way through the Aelf-kin. That'd be cool eh.
motski wrote: I hope they put out a Nurgle game where four heroes get together in a pit and vomit on each other
Depending on the rules and the action cards you can hopefully do that mechanically. At least one could use it for fighting World Eater gladiators, but if it's not all about devolving into blind berserker rage, but more tactical, then it could simulate Ork leadership contests, pit fighter exhibitions, Marine sparring matches, wytch fightes, combat servitor tests, etc. . Sure, the cards will look out of place, even sleeved, and the arena a bit...unconventional, but if the game is a deent fit for such things I think people on BGG or Warhammer boards would make custom arenas and maybe even card decks for other races.
Yesterday I didn't know it was a thing and now I think this could be the best thing coming out from GW this year for my needs. I should really test Pit Fighter, shouldn't I?
Damn... they included the four best Bloodbound sculpts... Might have to get this...
edit: They actually didn't, they don't have the Slaughterpriest with Hackblade, which is the best alongside the normal Slaughterpriest (which is in the box). Would be perfect if it had him instead of the Aspiring Deathbringer.
Mymearan wrote: Damn... they included the four best Bloodbound sculpts... Might have to get this...
edit: They actually didn't, they don't have the Slaughterpriest with Hackblade, which is the best alongside the normal Slaughterpriest (which is in the box). Would be perfect if it had him instead of the Aspiring Deathbringer.
Between this and the Silver Tower heroes it really seems like they want people to have the Slaughterpriest with axe in a bundle. Maybe he sold so well that they don't feel like losing out when bundling him, as people might have one already, whereas the other one has to xell some more models on his own. Or maybe he DIDN'T sell? Or it is strictly going by oldest in the bundle? If GW was a company with a less, uh, ineresting marketing strategy history speculating would be wayyy easier.
And who might be the four other chars be? The Hackblade Slaughterpriest and the Impaling Spear guy are probably a given, but who else? Khorgos and the Bloodsecrator to keep it all plastic? Skarr? Khorne Herald? The Darkoath Chieftain for board game cross-over? OR will they give rules for finecast stuff?
PS: Can someone please PM me about the Pit Fighter rules/arena? All the GW links are dead and I don't have a BGG account.
Bottle wrote: How much do we think this will be in pounds? £35?
I have been thinking about getting this game more and more thoughout the day. September gives me a nice amount of time to finish off some current projects too.
For reference for all posters(not just picking on you here):
GW prices their items based upon "price bands". You can easily figure out how much something will be based upon the price given elsewhere. To use this "Gorechosen" set as an example:
The USD price listed is $60. Items in that price band include Lost Patrol, the Terminator Command Squad, and a Hammerhead; which are 35 GBP.
Exchange rates do affect the pricing, which is why the storm surge is cheaper than a knight in the uk yet more expensive in New Zealand.
Mymearan wrote: Damn... they included the four best Bloodbound sculpts... Might have to get this...
edit: They actually didn't, they don't have the Slaughterpriest with Hackblade, which is the best alongside the normal Slaughterpriest (which is in the box). Would be perfect if it had him instead of the Aspiring Deathbringer.
Or if they had him instead of the guy already included in the AoS character pack...
After seeing this up on the GW store for £35 I think I am going to get this. Could be a great boardgame to get 3 friends to play who aren't into warhammer. Also gives me an excuse to paint up 4 awesome Bloodbound models.
Baron Klatz wrote: Anyone wondering if this will be a pattern for chaos?
Tzeentch= Silver tower
Khorne= Gorechosen
Think Nurgle might be next with the campaign being about his invasion of the life realm?
(Then maybe Slaanesh game to mark it's return and horned rat=new Mordheim for a Vermintide shout out?)
Just my thoughts!
The gameplay seems to be themed as well.
So Silver Tower had a dynamic system that changes each time you play.
Gorechosen is simple, and all about strength without any trickery or hiding.
Nurgle, will it be a game that keeps growing until you get sick of playing it?
And Slaanesh...
reds8n wrote: This seems to be up on the GW sites now
£35/$60 USA.
So GW is completely ignoring the pound's drop in value due to Brexit?
At today's $1.32 to the pound, £35 = $46.14, not $60. This is a nearly 25% "Colonials tax" penalty (and yes I know the NZ/AUS penalty is much worse...).
£35/$60 is using $1.71 to the pound, an exchange rate that has not existed for more than a day or two since the 2008 crash eight years ago. No wonder the prices are so high...
reds8n wrote: This seems to be up on the GW sites now
£35/$60 USA.
So GW is completely ignoring the pound's drop in value due to Brexit?
Quite the opposite. They are guarding against the drop in profitability that selling at a disadvantageous exchange rate might bring. They aren't the first company to raise overseas pricing and won't be the last.
reds8n wrote: This seems to be up on the GW sites now
£35/$60 USA.
So GW is completely ignoring the pound's drop in value due to Brexit?
At today's $1.32 to the pound, £35 = $46.14, not $60. This is a nearly 25% "Colonials tax" penalty (and yes I know the NZ/AUS penalty is much worse...).
£35/$60 is using $1.71 to the pound, an exchange rate that has not existed for more than a day or two since the 2008 crash eight years ago. No wonder the prices are so high...
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Welcome to why the rest of the non-British world complains about GW pricing.
reds8n wrote: This seems to be up on the GW sites now
£35/$60 USA.
So GW is completely ignoring the pound's drop in value due to Brexit?
At today's $1.32 to the pound, £35 = $46.14, not $60. This is a nearly 25% "Colonials tax" penalty (and yes I know the NZ/AUS penalty is much worse...).
£35/$60 is using $1.71 to the pound, an exchange rate that has not existed for more than a day or two since the 2008 crash eight years ago. No wonder the prices are so high...
T
Welcome to why the rest of the non-British world complains about GW pricing.
And why GW's financials look positive even in the middle of a world recession.
Gallahad wrote: $60 USD is a crazy price for a game with four plastic models.
It basically amounts to a 50% on the four minis with a free minigame included.
Suppose the minis cost $100 each, making this box an 85% discount off retail. Would the box suddenly become more valuable to you than it is currently?
Crazy is crazy.
Of course it would. Your spending 60 to save 340 bucks. 95% of these one off games GW makes are for the minis, not the actual game. The one offs are short time fillers. You can buy this to use the models in Silver Tower and in Age of sigmar, so 60$ for this is a great price. Ive paid for more games that come with crappy colored wooden meeples. Id rather get 4 high quality/detailed plastic figures.
Gallahad wrote: $60 USD is a crazy price for a game with four plastic models.
It basically amounts to a 50% on the four minis with a free minigame included.
Suppose the minis cost $100 each, making this box an 85% discount off retail. Would the box suddenly become more valuable to you than it is currently?
Crazy is crazy.
Of course it would. Your spending 60 to save 340 bucks. 95% of these one off games GW makes are for the minis, not the actual game. The one offs are short time fillers. You can buy this to use the models in Silver Tower and in Age of sigmar, so 60$ for this is a great price. Ive paid for more games that come with crappy colored wooden meeples. Id rather get 4 high quality/detailed plastic figures.
Don't be dissing meeple. They're a staple of the gaming community
Yeah... it's gonna' take a very nice human-sized model for me to think it's worth $15, and as a board gamer, I think that's an absurd price for four pawns in what I'm expecting is going to be a cheap little game without great replay value.
If you just think of them as pawns, then I imagine someone will sell you the cards and tiles for $5-10. It's disingenuous to ignore the fact that the game is using high quality gaming pieces rather than minimal tokens in order to compare the cost to those minimally required tokens.
Also, by 28mm standards, those characters are all ogre sized rather than human sized.
decker, I more meant that the price for what you get will likely turn off just about any board gamer.
Regarding them being pawns, I mostly meant that they're just play pieces. I think GW's doing what GW does best, which is make a kit too complex, then charge even more for it, based on it being too complex.
Regarding size, I don't have any comparison shots. So, they're like 2.5" tall? 'cause that's what I'm used to as a minimum for "ogre-sized," and those guys don't look that bulky
Thanks for the comparison, that's what I'd thought.
Yeah- I think GW makes perfectly nice models, but prices them way above what they should. I just got Silver Tower for $90 off of ebay or something, which come with a lot of models, but not fantastic quality (several things broke, and all the printed materials other than the tiles were low quality), and with okay game value. With caveats, I'd recommend it at $90, and think it's a bit rough for $150, This one, though, you're looking at practically no game boards; half as many elaborate models; and none of the 44 simpler (1-4 piece) models, for nearly half the price. So, to me, this looks like a really poor deal.
The Silver Tower is the only "real" board game imo. Every other board game GW has put out recently have been roundabout ways of them making bundles for their other models.
Each of the Gorechosen models here was available for 35 CAD (so I think 25-30 USD?) on their own on release. So four of them together would have been a ballbustingly expensive 140 CAD (or 100-120 USD). For Four Models. The board game parts were an afterthought because they needed to move models.
spiralingcadaver wrote: Yeah... it's gonna' take a very nice human-sized model for me to think it's worth $15, and as a board gamer, I think that's an absurd price for four pawns in what I'm expecting is going to be a cheap little game without great replay value.
I hate to see what you think of the new Star Trek game then.
MechaEmperor7000 wrote: The Silver Tower is the only "real" board game imo. Every other board game GW has put out recently have been roundabout ways of them making bundles for their other models.
Each of the Gorechosen models here was available for 35 CAD (so I think 25-30 USD?) on their own on release. So four of them together would have been a ballbustingly expensive 140 CAD (or 100-120 USD). For Four Models. The board game parts were an afterthought because they needed to move models.
I am quite tempted by Gorechosen. For me I think about my hobby in terms of projects. Making a 3000pt AoS tournament army, painting up DW:O, completing my Necromunda Escher collection etc etc. These are all projects I have and some will take a long time to complete because I like to paint everything to my best ability (my AoS tournament army is now 2000+ points fully painted - but that has taken me over a year and a half).
What I see here is a very very manageable project - 5 models (including the free WD mini). I love the Bloodbound but don't want the commitment of another army just yet - this gives me a fun game to play potentially with non-wargamers. If it is ridiculous and gory it could be some good laughs. Even if I don't play it that often it is a full set I can display together in my cabinet as a centrepiece.
And at £35 it seems very reasonable to me - but I don't value it specifically in weight of plastic but instead how much enjoyment the project is going to give when working on it and after completion. Four/five models I can really go to town on with the paint jobs and great gaming set to go with it.
Bottle wrote: I am quite tempted by Gorechosen. For me I think about my hobby in terms of projects. Making a 3000pt AoS tournament army, painting up DW:O, completing my Necromunda Escher collection etc etc. These are all projects I have and some will take a long time to complete because I like to paint everything to my best ability (my AoS tournament army is now 2000+ points fully painted - but that has taken me over a year and a half).
What I see here is a very very manageable project - 5 models (including the free WD mini). I love the Bloodbound but don't want the commitment of another army just yet - this gives me a fun game to play potentially with non-wargamers. If it is ridiculous and gory it could be some good laughs. Even if I don't play it that often it is a full set I can display together in my cabinet as a centrepiece.
And at £35 it seems very reasonable to me - but I don't value it specifically in weight of plastic but instead how much enjoyment the project is going to give when working on it and after completion. Four/five models I can really go to town on with the paint jobs and great gaming set to go with it.
Also keep in mind that all 4 minis have rules for Silver Tower.
Bottle wrote: I am quite tempted by Gorechosen. For me I think about my hobby in terms of projects. Making a 3000pt AoS tournament army, painting up DW:O, completing my Necromunda Escher collection etc etc. These are all projects I have and some will take a long time to complete because I like to paint everything to my best ability (my AoS tournament army is now 2000+ points fully painted - but that has taken me over a year and a half).
What I see here is a very very manageable project - 5 models (including the free WD mini). I love the Bloodbound but don't want the commitment of another army just yet - this gives me a fun game to play potentially with non-wargamers. If it is ridiculous and gory it could be some good laughs. Even if I don't play it that often it is a full set I can display together in my cabinet as a centrepiece.
And at £35 it seems very reasonable to me - but I don't value it specifically in weight of plastic but instead how much enjoyment the project is going to give when working on it and after completion. Four/five models I can really go to town on with the paint jobs and great gaming set to go with it.
Also keep in mind that all 4 minis have rules for Silver Tower.
Was just about to post this same thing. I am hoping that in fact, Gorechosen will in turn have rules for the other heroes from Silver Tower or other AoS models. It doesn't make immediate thematic sense, but I could see "captured Stormcasts or Orruks" being forced to fight in the arena.
It's probably a pipe dream. We still don't have a Silver Tower FAQ.
I'm hoping that GW will include silver tower cards in the box, but am not holding my breath - they would have listed it on the product page if that was the plan.
I imagine the first issue of White Dwarf will have some specific rules for using the hackblade slaughterpriest in Gorechosen. Adding other heroes would be fun like you say, there are lots of other Khorne champions which could be added in.
I just hope it's a fun little game. Outside of things like ST's terribly laid out rulebook the recent GW boardgames are nice (well, haven't bought Lost Patrol). The Bloodbound heroes are okay models, but only the Slaughterpriests are truly great IMO, so I want some gaming fun out of them if I buy them.
(Of course I could always use them with Arena Rex rules if I like those during my upcoming tryout game)
I'm hoping that GW will include silver tower cards in the box, but am not holding my breath - they would have listed it on the product page if that was the plan.
Ya. They have been working on a more robust FAQ to clarify several of the oddities since then.
Yeah, of all the things that need clarifying, that really wasn't what I'd consider a high priority compared to some more essential/widespread mechanics.
fortunately, someone working on the game has been fairly active on BGG, so, I've got decent hopes that a better one will be released.
spiralingcadaver wrote: decker, I more meant that the price for what you get will likely turn off just about any board gamer.
Regarding them being pawns, I mostly meant that they're just play pieces. I think GW's doing what GW does best, which is make a kit too complex, then charge even more for it, based on it being too complex.
Regarding size, I don't have any comparison shots. So, they're like 2.5" tall? 'cause that's what I'm used to as a minimum for "ogre-sized," and those guys don't look that bulky
2.5"? That's pretty much 65mm. As a "minimum" for Ogre sized? I'd love to see which models you consider to be "ogres" in 28mm heroic scale, along with their RRP for that size.
You're also being deliberately disingenious. We all know the current wave of GW reboxings and boxed "games" are stealth price reductions via bundling - so that Rountree can say to his investors that sales have increased without any price drops. The games, if decent are essentially icing on the cake, but a lot of them are simply glorified boxed versions of the stuff we used to get in WD back in the day. WQ:ST and D:O seem to both be decent, though - and even though Execution Force is basically aka "The New Assassin Models Bundle", reports on it as a game are that it's pretty decent, if a little shallow.
The target market isn't so much the BGG crowd or even the CMON BG KS crowd, but us - the dedicated miniatures gamers/painters and those stepping into the hobby.
Azazelx wrote: 2.5"? That's pretty much 65mm. As a "minimum" for Ogre sized? I'd love to see which models you consider to be "ogres" in 28mm heroic scale, along with their RRP for that size.
1- warmachine, malifaux, kingdom death, are all examples of lines where you commonly get things with a head height at 2.5+"
2- I consider the khorne guys heavy infantry-sized, I'm not going to compare how good a deal they are compared to something I don't think they are equivalent to.
You're also being deliberately disingenious. We all know the current wave of GW reboxings and boxed "games" are stealth price reductions via bundling - so that Rountree can say to his investors that sales have increased without any price drops. The games, if decent are essentially icing on the cake, but a lot of them are simply glorified boxed versions of the stuff we used to get in WD back in the day.
No, I'm not, because, as you said,
WQ:ST and D:O seem to both be decent, though - and even though Execution Force is basically aka "The New Assassin Models Bundle", reports on it as a game are that it's pretty decent, if a little shallow.
I don't care if they re-box things or recycle rules to cut costs. I think space hulk is fantastic with basically old rules; I'm thoroughly enjoying silver tower which recycles a bunch of mechanics; I think lost patrol was complete trash because it didn't copy balanced mechanics from its predecessor, not because it was a lazy repackaging. I look for nice models with enjoyable rules for a reasonable price, possibly making exceptions to one category if another is spectacular. Considering GW, though, I don't think that the rules will blow my mind, and know what to expect from the other two, so will take a pass.
The target market isn't so much the BGG crowd or even the CMON BG KS crowd, but us - the dedicated miniatures gamers/painters and those stepping into the hobby.
This actually looks like good value IMO. They figures are cool looking and there are few enough that it will be fun, not tiresome, to paint them all. If the game is decent I will certainly purchase this.
Azazelx wrote: 2.5"? That's pretty much 65mm. As a "minimum" for Ogre sized? I'd love to see which models you consider to be "ogres" in 28mm heroic scale, along with their RRP for that size.
1- warmachine, malifaux, kingdom death, are all examples of lines where you commonly get things with a head height at 2.5+"
2- I consider the khorne guys heavy infantry-sized, I'm not going to compare how good a deal they are compared to something I don't think they are equivalent to.
Kingdom Death is in a firmly different scale, as is Malifaux (somewhat).
The newer Khorne stuff is larger than the old Chaos Warriors who I'd call heavy infantry. The Bloodbound and Bloodhumpers and so forth are like heavy heavy infantry, in terms of Warhammer-scaled - though not quite Ogre sized. Champions are larger, and certainly on a par, though proportioned differently. Still, the point here is "ogre sized" or what you'd apparently call the minimum for that- and Warmachine Ogruns are basically the same size as a GW Ogre (or even a Mantic Ogre), though with different proportions to the current OK stuff.
I won't argue against the fact that the current GW clampacks are overpriced, as I also feel that way, though I personally am happy with the proxy price of $15/ea. Anyone used to WM/H, KD or Malifaux shouldn't be shocked at those (proxy) price points, regardless of the aesthetic value which is subjective.
You're also being deliberately disingenious.
No, I'm not, because, as you said, <snip>
I don't care if they re-box things or recycle rules to cut costs. I think space hulk is fantastic with basically old rules; I'm thoroughly enjoying silver tower which recycles a bunch of mechanics; I think lost patrol was complete trash because it didn't copy balanced mechanics from its predecessor, not because it was a lazy repackaging. I look for nice models with enjoyable rules for a reasonable price, possibly making exceptions to one category if another is spectacular. Considering GW, though, I don't think that the rules will blow my mind, and know what to expect from the other two, so will take a pass.
I'm taking each game on its own merits, basically falling into one or both of two categories -
"Start Collecting-ish" bundles of models at a good price with rules tacked on (that may or may not be good or rubbish) - examples: Calth, Execution Force, that Imperial Knight game, Gorechosen.
These are aimed at us, as they're repackaging (or pre-packaging, as with Calth) of existing/new models at a more attractive price point for various business reasons - price drops/bundling without bundling, and also because sales of "new boxed games" looks much better than sales of "boxed models" in some business metrics.
"Games as Games" - again, quality is variable. I bought Lost Patrol for the components (I can use more scouts and stealers) but mostly because I have the original rules because internets - and it's much easier for me to buy the tiles in the boxed set than bugger about making my own (I'd rather be painting or gaming with my precious spare time). Otherwise I'd have easily given it a pass. DW:O and WQ:ST, as I think we both agree are on the other wise of the spectrum, being solid products in and of themselves at a (relatively) good price point. Premium compared to other boardgame products, but very reasonable when compared to GW retail products and how much we all know they'd charge for the models outside of a "starter set" format. (and may choose to do at some stage with sprue recuts).
The BGG/CMON KS crowd and Minis gamers are of course not mutually exclusive. There's tons of crossover - yourself and myself obviously included, but I'm clearly talking about the harder-core of each and their interaction on the Venn Diagram with some of the GW boxed "games". The ones that are glorified bundles. They're not going to buy Imperial Knights: Renegade because of the revolutionary gameplay - which is not why we bought it. But they aren't going to buy it simply because it saves you a few bucks on a pair of knights either, which is what we did.
Not sure about Kingdoms of Death, but Malifaux started at 32mm scale in first edition (similar height to GW heroic 28mm at the time, but finer proportions), then in second edition, the scale really ramped up. Malifaux is probably currently roughly a 35mm scale game.
The disappointing part of the khorne characters is that the basic khorne troops increased in scale too (though not to that extent). GW went for badasses among badasses, which doesn't really work when every other faction they face are badasses as well.
Az, I mostly agree with your assessment, though I'd reverse LP (using a lot of existing stuff with little content) vs. assassassinnorium, which put out a few models and a bunch of tiles.
Re: the model size, I don't really care about the specifics of proportional size- at $30/ea, I think they're horribly overpriced as I generally expect resin or a larger model or a small game expansion for that; at $15/ea, I'd be buying a lot of GW heroes instead of just recycling my ancient models and being tempted but turned off y the tag; at $15/ea for a bundle, I don't like them enough to want the set and don't feel like it's a deal compared to playing a bunch of games (GW or otherwise)
My beef was pretty much just in reply to you suggesting that 64mm+ is a "normal" size for Ogres and their peers - when it's never been so for GW or their followers. I think we probably agree on most of the rest.
LP is a lazy game, and it recycles assets - absolutely. But I feel that it's sold as a game rather than a model collecting set. Because let's face it - neither the old scouts or old stealers are particularly exciting or sought after in terms of bundling cool stuff together. It's like the poor, sickly cousin of DW:O.
That has got to be one of the most dramatic explanations of board game rules I've ever seen Still could be fun, and if nothing else its four Khorne hero's at a decent price that can also be used in AoS and Sliver tower. I wonder if this will be a one off Khorne only game or will other forces get something similar? The other chaos powers would fit an arena game pretty well, as would the destruction factions. Even Stormcast IIRC have training arenas where they fight each other.
GoatboyBeta wrote: That has got to be one of the most dramatic explanations of board game rules I've ever seen Still could be fun, and if nothing else its four Khorne hero's at a decent price that can also be used in AoS and Sliver tower. I wonder if this will be a one off Khorne only game or will other forces get something similar? The other chaos powers would fit an arena game pretty well, as would the destruction factions. Even Stormcast IIRC have training arenas where they fight each other.
I believe the White Dwarf added a new hero to Gorechosen, not sure who though.
Edit: The Slaughterpriest that actually came with the WD edition, huh not bad.
When this was announced (which was bloody months ago!) my attitude was a solid "meh" but now after being shown more of how it works (and getting a free extra hero.) I'm really thinking this is going to be a great little fun game. I'm now wondering what kind of awesome arenas i can build.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
Looks to be a solid card one, no folds that i can see, i imagine it fits on top of all the box contents and it was either have it that size or have it 4x the size and spend 90% of the game moving around.
It is hex based however, so if you picked up something like the magic the gathering board game or the old heroscape tiles you could probably make a very bad ass large arena with proper obstacles and homebrewed perils.
... Oh hey more preview pics up on the webstore page now. Plastic box insert looks like it might actually be pretty well-suited to storing the included four models w without damage to either model or paint job (assuming decent varnish and moderately careful treatment of box ) keep all cards in one pile and throw in some spare bits of foam and you could likely keep another two in there. Quite convenient.
(Maybe I will have to eat crow on previous guesses and it'll turn out they *have* fine for good quality components all round)
H.B.M.C. wrote: I really like that rule set up. I also think the way wounds are tracked is quite good.
It's just that arena is so damned tiny...
I'm guessing at this price point printed materials were at a bit of a premium.
Hell, it seems they've included rules, but not cards, for three more heroes. I'm guessing the arena is as big as they could cram into a standard board game sized box (30cm outer width by the looks of it) without having to print more than one board.
I'm guessing it's not exactly going to be a heavy, cloth-backed game board either
Looks to be a solid card one, no folds that i can see, i imagine it fits on top of all the box contents and it was either have it that size or have it 4x the size and spend 90% of the game moving around.
It is hex based however, so if you picked up something like the magic the gathering board game or the old heroscape tiles you could probably make a very bad ass large arena with proper obstacles and homebrewed perils.
Aren't heroscape tiles a bit small for 40mm bases? I thought that stuff was 32mm ish hex-based.
Ha! I would still prefer an arena four times the size of that one. It does look fun so I may just look for the non miniature components on a popular auction site as I have most of the models already.
The version everybody wants is Snotchosen, four champions of Nurgle beating each other silly.
I'll actually play that using the more gladiatorial Nurgle minis I've built already and will do in the future. The only question is if I can put in the effort to photoshop Nurgle-themed cards and a mouldy swamp arena.
Binabik15 wrote: The version everybody wants is Snotchosen, four champions of Nurgle beating each other silly.
I'll actually play that using the more gladiatorial Nurgle minis I've built already and will do in the future. The only question is if I can put in the effort to photoshop Nurgle-themed cards and a mouldy swamp arena.
So what does that make the Slaanesh version . Is that keys in the middle bowl or something???
Binabik15 wrote: The version everybody wants is Snotchosen, four champions of Nurgle beating each other silly.
I'll actually play that using the more gladiatorial Nurgle minis I've built already and will do in the future. The only question is if I can put in the effort to photoshop Nurgle-themed cards and a mouldy swamp arena.
So what does that make the Slaanesh version . Is that keys in the middle bowl or something???
The Slaanesh version would be just a game of Marco Polo lol. That or 50 Shades of (Slaanesh) Grey lol.
Binabik15 wrote: The version everybody wants is Snotchosen, four champions of Nurgle beating each other silly.
I'll actually play that using the more gladiatorial Nurgle minis I've built already and will do in the future. The only question is if I can put in the effort to photoshop Nurgle-themed cards and a mouldy swamp arena.
So what does that make the Slaanesh version . Is that keys in the middle bowl or something???
The Slaanesh version rhymes with Fourchosen, duh
RazorEdge wrote:Isn't Snotchosen about four Snotling Champions?
Who says Snotlings can't worship the jolly grandfather But, yes, Snotchosen can also refer to the travel edition of the game festuring* Snotlings brawling in a DVD case. The one with the hammer from the Doomdiver catapult always wins, though.
A guy on youtube (Bad Dice Podcast) has a copy to review and is quite positive about the game. Don't know him, but it seems genuine. If not, well, the video has a bit more info on gameplay and the components as well, so one can make up one's own mind.
I will order it as a bday present for myself (and if nobody wants to buy it off me to gift it back to me, well, I won't have to wait until mid October to open it )
I've seen several positive early reviews. Turns out this is more than just a 50% discount bundle. It's actually a competent (and fun) boardgame.
Secondary note:
I noticed from the blog posts about Gorechosen in the web store that one of the bloggers was using the Exalted Deathbringer w/ Impaling Spear. Also, one of the player models they posted to promote the game is a Bloodsecrator. It seems there are going to be rules for other models.
The video I was talking about shows the character pages for four more heroes that are in the manual: Hackblade SP, Bloodstoker, Bloodsecrator, Impaling Sp(e)artan dude
Which is great because one of my WD freebie SPs is already converted into a spear fighter and I have the two starter set chars, so I have all four. I just need to scrathchbuild/convert those two special chars from WD because I don't like their models (axeflails, ugh, and Valkiya is too busy, IMO).
Got my copy. Had a quick run through of the rules, very well put together, simple but fun and with enough depth to stop it being a one play bored game.
I can see myself homebrewing alot of scenarios/campaigns ect for it.
Yeah,
Picked mine up today as a fun paint project.
Quality of all the bits is a great.
Solid double sided board.
Regular dice
4 character models
Good card stock used for cards and tokens
(My board was scratched on one side, I've emailed GW and I think they are going to replace it )
The box has a plastic inlay with spaces for all the components and spots for assembled miniatures which is thoughtful and nice.
Rules seem tight, looking forward to playing (ONLY after they are painted! I'm not a heathen!)
Does anyone know what these are?
Tentacle teeth pits or
Tentacle teeth obstacles?
The rule book clarifies the other side of the boards pits/obstacles.
Will do a quick hobby blog for progress once I start Quick like my Lost patrol one
Think they are obstacles so not pits. But really its your game so you could call them pits or treat them like pits to make it more deadly.
Played it twice.Its pretty fun for what it is. nothing game changing but its pretty light and easy to run through without much set up or effort. I will highly recommend though marking the characters direct front and painting a line or so to show it as it really matters in the game.
Played the game pretty much all day Saturday. It's definitely better with four players, but two can still be a lot of fun. Fair warning, the Bloodsecrator can be pretty nasty.
EnTyme wrote: Played the game pretty much all day Saturday. It's definitely better with four players, but two can still be a lot of fun. Fair warning, the Bloodsecrator can be pretty nasty.
He's equally nasty in AoS. My brother's fething murdered most of my Stormcast on his own in one game!
Loving the box layout too. They've clearly given this game some thought! Some minis storage in there is awesome.
Atorg's Kill Zone diagram is incorrect – it should be three dark blue hexes, showing the three hexes in his front arc. In other words, his Kill Zone is identical to Vexnar the Reaper's."
which will be released soon as an errata.
Hope that helps.
. Is that keys in the middle bowl or something??? 
