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Post by: Ghaz
From the very reliable Lady Atia:
Howdy Guys and Girls - just want to say there is going to be a new paint and hobby range which will drop in August.
Regards,
Lady Atia
So the question is will it 'replace' or will it be 'in addition to' the current paint range?
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
I sure hope the paints are in addition to the current line (like back when they added the Air range or the special Technicals like Agrellan Earth, Blood for the Blood Gods, etc).
If it replaces the current line then I hope it's just a change in the pots used (unless the pots are worse than the current ones, of course).
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
New paint range? You mean a complete new paint range to replace the one they spent So™ Long™ Building™ Up™? Why?
And a new 'hobby' range? So a whole new set of brushes and tools at stupidly inflated prices?
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Post by: insaniak
Makes sense. The current range still has a couple of colours that have vaguely descriptive names, which was quite clearly an error. I'm hoping for a new paint range that has no reference to colours whatsoever.
'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
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Post by: Ghaz
Atia says she can't (not won't, can't) say whether this is an additional range or if it replaces the current range. If it does replace the current range, it makes the recent gemstone paints and new metallics a head scratcher if they're going to discontinue them so soon.
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Post by: MrFlutterPie
| made the switch to Vallejo a long time ago. While cheaper the driving factor in switching for me was not price. It was the fact that GW kept switching their paint ranges around too much. My armies go a long way back and it got hard for me to match colours so I got off the merry go around and switched brands.
Also Vallejo colours matched up with GW's new old 3ed paint range which made switching really easy for me.
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Post by: Mr.Church13
Honestly with the paint stuff they've been releasing there's no way this is anything but an in addition range.
There's been too much too recent for a reboot.
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Post by: RazorEdge
I doubt a new Paint range.
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Post by: Oguhmek
Maybe this refers to the new terrain kits that were just released? Perhaps more of them are coming.
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Post by: Carlson793
 Oguhmek wrote:Maybe this refers to the new terrain kits that were just released? Perhaps more of them are coming.
Atia is always very knowledgable and clear with regards to new releases vs. news/rumors about coming releases. Most likely, this is a new range along the lines of Technical, Base, Layer, etc., i.e. a line that has a purpose the current paints don't fill.
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Post by: Zywus
 MrFlutterPie wrote:| made the switch to Vallejo a long time ago. While cheaper the driving factor in switching for me was not price. It was the fact that GW kept switching their paint ranges around too much. My armies go a long way back and it got hard for me to match colours so I got off the merry go around and switched brands.
Also Vallejo colours matched up with GW's new old 3ed paint range which made switching really easy for me.
That really was a maddening decision from GW when they revamped their paint system not once, but two times (!) over a fairly short time period.
The main advantage the GW paint range had was that a lot of people already had armies painted in specific colors and was thus leery of switching to another brand. As soon as they switched their formulas, there was no reason not to switch if another range had superior price, quality or bottle design.
If they are about to revamp the line again and not just add a new specialist range or change the pots, it's starting to look like some absurd game of musical chairs and I have to somewhat question the sanity of anyone trying to keep up with it.
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Post by: Wulfson_40K
When the new paints were released (the gem ones/gloss/metallic) I asked if we would also get stickers with their name on it to present them on the big paint rack, as we don't carry all the regular paints and had enough space for the new ones. I was told that it shall come later as they would be changes in the paint range in the near future. I'm pretty sure that I was told that the Edge paints would become available in regular stores for the occasion.
I doubt anything drastic is happening (at least on the paint side of the hobby), probably just a chunk of the range going direct only and being replaced on the rack. At least I hope it's nothing drastic considering the money we invest in paints...
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Post by: Bottle
Maybe they are removing the old world names from the paints. Troll Slayer Orange becoming Fyreslayer Orange and Reikland Fleshshade becoming Stormcast Armour Wash etc.
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Post by: NoggintheNog
Meanwhile, the vallejo italian red I used for my blood angels a decade ago remains the same exact shade as italian red I buy today.
Something else GW seem to fundamentally misunderstand about the hobby. Shame really, as technically GW paints are really good, metallics stand up against any other product out there still.
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Post by: Don Savik
 insaniak wrote:Makes sense. The current range still has a couple of colours that have vaguely descriptive names, which was quite clearly an error. I'm hoping for a new paint range that has no reference to colours whatsoever.
'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
You made me spit out my drink with these names. I never knew how much I wanted Orruk History and Grot feet until now.
For a hobby range I could use more basing options. While its great they made sector imperialis bases and the AoS bases I just need simple basing kits like the ones they used to have but decided to remove for no reason. I just need like rocks and stones, not giant slabs of building.
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Post by: shinros
insaniak wrote:Makes sense. The current range still has a couple of colours that have vaguely descriptive names, which was quite clearly an error. I'm hoping for a new paint range that has no reference to colours whatsoever.
'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
+1 good sir for this post. Hmm I do hope it's new colours well we have to wait and see.
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Post by: Davor
H.B.M.C. wrote:New paint range? You mean a complete new paint range to replace the one they spent So™ Long™ Building™ Up™? Why?
And a new 'hobby' range? So a whole new set of brushes and tools at stupidly inflated prices?
It wouldn't be the first time they did that though. Didn't the last range just replace something that came out 2 years before it or something like that?
Oh please please please be dropper bottles. I would stop buying other paints even though they are cheaper if GW went to dropper bottles.
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Post by: JHall
It is not a new paint range. It is a slight rebranding of the existing lines into one comprehensive 2 rack system.
we will have it in our store next week. It combines the Air range, the existing paints, and brings back all the stuff removed from the rack to Direct Only into one massive system. There are new racks to hold it all as well.
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Post by: General Kroll
The air range is going into the stores?
Saints be praised.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I wonder if GW's realized yet that its paints are the only impulse purchase item they still offer?
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Post by: Jack Flask
insaniak wrote:Makes sense. The current range still has a couple of colours that have vaguely descriptive names, which was quite clearly an error. I'm hoping for a new paint range that has no reference to colours whatsoever.
'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
Ooooooo, what color is Wallet Burner? Also, does this mean they'll continue to expand the line with more useful colors like Chaos Tears and Dark Elf Melter?
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Post by: mdauben
 Ghaz wrote:From the very reliable Lady Atia:
Howdy Guys and Girls - just want to say there is going to be a new paint and hobby range which will drop in August.
Regards,
Lady Atia
So the question is will it 'replace' or will it be 'in addition to' the current paint range?
And this is one of the reasons why I stopped using GW paints years ago. They just can't stop  with them! 
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Post by: George Spiggott
insaniak wrote:...'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
This is so true. If, like me, you don't keep up with GW's games any more but want/are forced to buy their paints then trying to pick a colour based upon the product names is next to impossible. Given that I still use old GW paint names in general(ish) conversation this is a sad state of affairs.
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Post by: Azreal13
Ooh, I wonder if they'll do it with the brushes?
"Lay down a base coat with Fyreslayer beard, drybrush with Wulfen armpit, pick out the details with Witch Elf Nether Regions."
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Post by: Mymearan
Really happy about this news, will be nice to be able to get Lamenters Yellow, Dark Reaper etc in stores again instead of having to make orders from GW.
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Post by: Dryaktylus
 Azreal13 wrote:Ooh, I wonder if they'll do it with the brushes?
"Lay down a base coat with Fyreslayer beard, drybrush with Wulfen armpit, pick out the details with Witch Elf Nether Regions."
Nah. I've met some Witch Elves over the years - you don't get a brush from them since 2000 or so. 
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Post by: shabbadoo
Jack Flask wrote: insaniak wrote:Makes sense. The current range still has a couple of colours that have vaguely descriptive names, which was quite clearly an error. I'm hoping for a new paint range that has no reference to colours whatsoever.
'First, basecoat with Aeioulf Temper, then paint a layer of Orruk History mixed with Grot Feet, highlight the edges with Realm Of Fire Cafe Menu, and finish with a glaze of Wallet Burner.'
Ooooooo, what color is Wallet Burner? Also, does this mean they'll continue to expand the line with more useful colors like Chaos Tears and Dark Elf Melter?
Wallet Burner is a clear-ish coat. As per the usual directive, resist the urge to put on one thick coat, and instead put on multiple thin coats until you get the proper coverage. No, keep going. Just a few more thin coasts until you get that nice, opaque-ish finish you are looking for. Oh, and there is Chaos Tears, which is awesome, but no Dark Elf Melter. My favorite new color though is Sisters of Battle Oubliette. That one will probably sell so well that you just won't be able to find it most places.
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
More from Atia on this
via Brian Griffith, here on the blog
"I can confirm similar after a chat with my FLGS this afternoon.
He mentioned that his supplier had told him there was going to be a big revamp of the paint rack retailers use to sell the paints soon."
via JHall on dakka:
"It is a slight rebranding of the existing lines into one comprehensive 2 rack system.
we will have it in our store next week. It combines the Air range, the existing paints, and brings back all the stuff removed from the rack to Direct Only into one massive system. There are new racks to hold it all as well."
so basically stores will be able to sell more of the full range (no change in manufacturer), but may need more space for the rack(s)
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Post by: Ghaz
Yes. The post by JHall is further up in this thread...
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
I'm going to run and gun here before the Mods drag me away  , but my point is this:
GW paints are good, no question, and if you have the money to get this new range or the current range, they won't let you down. I've been a big critic of GW these past years, but their paints have never let me down. Vallejo paints are also good, plus you get the handy dropper style bottle, and you get more, for less. Win win.
But you can save money by buying big bottles of acrylic for cheap from art stores or poundland in the UK.
Make your own textured paint by adding fine sand, sand which I also get free from my local beach 
Grind up cork, bark, or slate for different textures if you want to experiment.
My local model airplane store sells gloss and inks for cheap.
Fight the system, make your own or buy cheaper!
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Post by: Mr.Church13
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm going to run and gun here before the Mods drag me away , but my point is this:
GW paints are good, no question, and if you have the money to get this new range or the current range, they won't let you down. I've been a big critic of GW these past years, but their paints have never let me down. Vallejo paints are also good, plus you get the handy dropper style bottle, and you get more, for less. Win win.
But you can save money by buying big bottles of acrylic for cheap from art stores or poundland in the UK.
Make your own textured paint by adding fine sand, sand which I also get free from my local beach
Grind up cork, bark, or slate for different textures if you want to experiment.
My local model airplane store sells gloss and inks for cheap.
Fight the system, make your own or buy cheaper!
Honestly that all just sounds like work.
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Post by: Inquisitor Gideon
I'll chime in on this and say I adore the current range too  I hope it's just a minor rebranding and no major changes as I am really loving all the colours they do right now. I get consistent and extremely good results with them. The only colour I'll whine slightly about is the damn base white and how quickly it clots up.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I'll chime in on this and say I adore the current range too I hope it's just a minor rebranding and no major changes as I am really loving all the colours they do right now. I get consistent and extremely good results with them. The only colour I'll whine slightly about is the damn base white and how quickly it clots up.
Maybe it's my eyesight, GW's white paint is not as 'white' as it used to be, if that sense.
The late 1990s, to the early 00s, was when GW last produced a white paint I liked. Ceramite white doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I've still got some old paints around, the goblin green I have from the 1990s is still in good order Automatically Appended Next Post: Mr.Church13 wrote: Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:I'm going to run and gun here before the Mods drag me away , but my point is this:
GW paints are good, no question, and if you have the money to get this new range or the current range, they won't let you down. I've been a big critic of GW these past years, but their paints have never let me down. Vallejo paints are also good, plus you get the handy dropper style bottle, and you get more, for less. Win win.
But you can save money by buying big bottles of acrylic for cheap from art stores or poundland in the UK.
Make your own textured paint by adding fine sand, sand which I also get free from my local beach
Grind up cork, bark, or slate for different textures if you want to experiment.
My local model airplane store sells gloss and inks for cheap.
Fight the system, make your own or buy cheaper!
Honestly that all just sounds like work.
Eh? Got a big bottle of cheap paint from an art store, pour it into an empty pot of GW paint, add some sand, and stir...
That's easy
And you get that warm fuzzy glow.
Back OT, I do like that lava effect paint that GW does, and if anybody knows a cheap way of making your own, hints/tips etc, I'd be grateful for the intel.
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Post by: Vulcan
We doubted that the replacement for 8E WFB would be a skirmish game on round bases with no points too.
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Post by: oni
Here's what I anticipate we'll see:
1. Base, Layer, Shade and Technical paints will remain unchanged
2. Dry will be replaced with the Edge paints (available in stores finally)
3. Air will be available in stores as individual pots
4. New brushes (just because)
5. Cheaper hobby tools (quality and price)
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Post by: Mymearan
 Vulcan wrote:
We doubted that the replacement for 8E WFB would be a skirmish game on round bases with no points too.
It's not a new paint range.
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Post by: eohall
Some of the new Shattered Dominion board painting tutorials display new "scenery paint sets" which include very large bottles of some of the current range colors, as well as what appear to be new purple labels on others.
Edit - just checked the website and they've just put out existing colors with the new "scenery" paint designation
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Post by: Azazelx
Inquisitor Gideon wrote:I'll chime in on this and say I adore the current range too I hope it's just a minor rebranding and no major changes as I am really loving all the colours they do right now. I get consistent and extremely good results with them. The only colour I'll whine slightly about is the damn base white and how quickly it clots up.
Some of the paints are awesome, some dry out way too quickly or separate and solidify. Same as it ever was. My Ceramite White is terrible, as is my Averland Sunset - which is a shame since they're both useful paints. Those paints that are consistently good, though, are really good. Automatically Appended Next Post: I also discovered Vallejo Premium Colour Airbrush paints recently. Essentially a small range of their Game/Model Air paints in 60ml bottles for only a fraction more money than the 18mm droppers.
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__41000__Vallejo_Premium_Color_Acrylic_Paint_Gunmetal_60ml_.html
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=260422
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Post by: Fezza213
https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/977
Pretty sure its GW updating the racks to two racks and adding all the online only paints in store such as the air and other paints that are online only.
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Post by: scarletsquig
I switched to army painter after the last big switch up, now that Army Painter are about to triple the number of paints in their range and add a range of technical paints, there's not a lot of reason to use the citadel ones.
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Post by: reiner
So... I assume they're still putting airbrush paint in pots?
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Post by: Azazelx
 scarletsquig wrote:I switched to army painter after the last big switch up, now that Army Painter are about to triple the number of paints in their range and add a range of technical paints, there's not a lot of reason to use the citadel ones.
Some of them are very good, and in very good colours. That's enough reason to be open to using them as part of your "toolkit". Then, I don't use any one range exclusively and certainly wouldn't use citadel ones exclusively.
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Post by: alphaecho
Is the relabelling of some paints as "scenery" part of the new range?
I bought the Shattered Dominion paint set and the karak stone and Screaming Skull pots are labelled as scenery rather than 'base' or 'layer'.
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Post by: Mymearan
alphaecho wrote:
Is the relabelling of some paints as "scenery" part of the new range?
I bought the Shattered Dominion paint set and the karak stone and Screaming Skull pots are labelled as scenery rather than 'base' or 'layer'.
They aren't relabelled, the old paints are still there. The Scenery paints are a different kind of paint (supposedly more hard-wearing). Exactly like Dawnstone, which has both a Layer and a Dry version.
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Post by: alphaecho
 Mymearan wrote:alphaecho wrote:
Is the relabelling of some paints as "scenery" part of the new range?
I bought the Shattered Dominion paint set and the karak stone and Screaming Skull pots are labelled as scenery rather than 'base' or 'layer'.
They aren't relabelled, the old paints are still there. The Scenery paints are a different kind of paint (supposedly more hard-wearing). Exactly like Dawnstone, which has both a Layer and a Dry version.
I probably wasn't clear enough. These 'scenery' versions of the base/ layer colours are new and have arrived in August.
Personally, I appreciate the big container of mechanicus grey as all my models are city based. Even better if it is a different harder wearing formula.
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Post by: Ghaz
From FB.
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Post by: EnTyme
I'm not entirely sure this is the hobby range referred to in the thread. This may be an unrelated release. It just doesn't match the description some of the store owners have mentioned.
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Post by: Aerethan
Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Maybe it's my eyesight, GW's white paint is not as 'white' as it used to be, if that sense.
The late 1990s, to the early 00s, was when GW last produced a white paint I liked. Ceramite white doesn't cut the mustard for me.
I've still got some old paints around, the goblin green I have from the 1990s is still in good order
Ceramite White is indeed an off white, leaning towards a very very light grey. It works well enough when thinned down as a base coat for a bright color going on top of it, or as a base coat for a brighter pure white. It is one of the few GW paints from their new lineup that I will spend money on(Mephiston Red being another with insanely great coverage for a bright red).
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Post by: RazorEdge
The Citadel Base Colours are all great. Better than their old foundation Colours.
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Post by: Wulfson_40K
 EnTyme wrote:
I'm not entirely sure this is the hobby range referred to in the thread. This may be an unrelated release. It just doesn't match the description some of the store owners have mentioned.
The change to the hobby range already happened. GW reworked the stockist program and made what appear to be a majority of the "direct only" hobby items available to stores (much to my pleasure, the edge paints are now available to us).
The "Best Seller Extra Paint 300" mentioned earlier in the thread is just a label used to see from which modules (from the stockist program) an item belong to. New items like the scenery paints (Blighted Tundra, Cursed Wastes and co) are not part of it and not yet associated with any module AFAIK. The brand new adhesive bands used to present the paints on the racks do not contain any unknown names unless I'm blind so I wouldn't hold my breath for additional paints in August.
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Post by: SeanDrake
The new range is the Tints which are the base colours from which all GW paints are made.
There the undiluted pigments intended to be added to the existing paints to get the colour you want. The orange not red enough add a few drops of the red tint. Basicly they can be used to change the hue or even added to a base colour to make your own colour.
There are also going to be some new sets ready for Christmas including a new full set of everything and a hobby station in living 42 paints.
Alsxo not sure you can make it out on the fb page but the tints are named after the primarchs I believe.
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Post by: Ghaz
From the Codex Genestealer Cult thread:
Fans of the Citadel Texture Paints range will be pleased to know that out product design boffins have made them even better, replacing the grit in them with plastic microbeads that create a more even texture on your bases. You can even apply them using a brush now! But what if you want a heavily textured base? Well, the texture paints now come in thick and thin varieties - both in larger 24ml pots - so you can really pile up the dirt. We'll be taking a closer look at these great new paints next month.
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Post by: Azreal13
That's our GW, just as the pressure is growing in manufacturers to stop using plastic micro beads because of their environmental impact, GW start using them!
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Post by: JonWebb
Interesting that as the UK aims to phase microbeads out of hygiene products due to environmental damage, GW would bring them in to a product.
Obviously less will be washed away/enter the environment, but still
Not bashing them, just an unfortunate timing for a UK company.
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Post by: Ghaz
GW must have got a good deal on some plastic microbeads from a manufacturer who has to phase them out of their hygiene products Anyway, the amount of microbeads entering the environment through GW's paints in comparison to even a single hygiene product would be very small IMHO.
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Post by: JonWebb
Ghaz wrote:GW must have got a good deal on some plastic microbeads from a manufacturer who has to phase them out of their hygiene products Anyway, the amount of microbeads entering the environment through GW's paints in comparison to even a single hygiene product would be very small IMHO.
Totally agree, just an unfortunate timing.
I promise not to wash my hair with GW paint, will that do? 
I wasn't thrilled by the first iteration of the texture paint, but its good to see them evaluating and improving product.
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Post by: Chikout
This is a bit ridiculous. The whole problem is that cosmetics go straight down the drain. There are plenty of paints that are toxic. If GW did get a deal you could argue the it is good for the environment as those microbeads will be going on people's bases rather than in the trash.
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Post by: Dr_Keenbean
I popped in to my FLGS the weekend before last and they had a new Citadel paint rack that had all the paints that were removed from stores but kept on the web store as well as all air and edge paints and extra products and also all the new paints (gloss washes, metallics, etc) that have been added.
It was literally the entire Citadel paint "system" in one (double-wide) rack.
Nothing about the tints we saw a blurry image of though. I'm still fairly curious about those.
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Post by: Ghaz
 JonWebb wrote: Ghaz wrote:GW must have got a good deal on some plastic microbeads from a manufacturer who has to phase them out of their hygiene products Anyway, the amount of microbeads entering the environment through GW's paints in comparison to even a single hygiene product would be very small IMHO.
Totally agree, just an unfortunate timing. I promise not to wash my hair with GW paint, will that do? I wasn't thrilled by the first iteration of the texture paint, but its good to see them evaluating and improving product.
GW was already using microbeads in at least one product though (Typhus Corrosion).
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Post by: Brother SRM
Yeah, since they're not being used for hygiene products and washing away into the water system, the major drawbacks of microbeads are pretty much moot. Nice they're coming out in bigger bottles though, good for folks who want to base a whole army.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
They'll still be going down sinks/ plug holes though. How else do you dispose of your paint pot water?
Won't be anywhere near the same levels as with hygiene products, but it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
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Post by: Ghaz
 sockwithaticket wrote:They'll still be going down sinks/ plug holes though. How else do you dispose of your paint pot water?
Won't be anywhere near the same levels as with hygiene products, but it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
How many people paint with GW paints versus those who use hygiene products? The amount entering the environment through GW paints will have an infinitesimal impact compared to the amount entering it through hygiene products.
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Post by: kronk
The existing bans from various countries (Canada, UK, etc) are specifically for cosmetics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbead
However, as sock says above, you're still going to get stuff down the drain when you wash your brushes or clean your paint pots. It's a drop in the ocean (heh) compared to cosmetics, but it's STILL putting gak in the water supply that doesn't belong.
I can't say I'm happy about it. But then, I don't have kids. feth the environment!
Weee!
*Runs outside, spraying 2 Aerosol hair spray bottles*
Weee!
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Post by: Davor
What do these plastic beads do? I don't have a clue. Does it help mix the paint better when shaking?
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Post by: OrlandotheTechnicoloured
they're in paint to add texture
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Post by: Ghaz
kronk wrote:The existing bans from various countries (Canada, UK, etc) are specifically for cosmetics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbead
However, as sock says above, you're still going to get stuff down the drain when you wash your brushes or clean your paint pots. It's a drop in the ocean (heh) compared to cosmetics, but it's STILL putting gak in the water supply that doesn't belong.
I can't say I'm happy about it. But then, I don't have kids. feth the environment!
Weee!
*Runs outside, spraying 2 Aerosol hair spray bottles*
Weee!
As I noted above, the amount of microbeads entering the environment through GW paints will have a negligible effect unlike the amount of microbeads entering the environment through hygiene products has a measured, harmful effect on the environment.
Davor wrote:What do these plastic beads do? I don't have a clue. Does it help mix the paint better when shaking?
No. As noted, it's what gives the new Texture paints their texture. Currently the only paint GW manufactures with microbeads is Typhus Corrosion.
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Post by: kronk
Davor wrote:What do these plastic beads do? I don't have a clue. Does it help mix the paint better when shaking?
Davor, it's an additive to modeling paints that will give a texture like this when applied to a base:
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Post by: Davor
Thank you Orlandothetechnocoloured, Ghaz and Kronk for the answers. The video and pics really helped. Greatly appreciated.
I didn't even know those paints existed Ghaz. Will have to see if my FLGS carries them or not. Also the new ones coming out as well.
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Post by: sockwithaticket
Ghaz wrote: sockwithaticket wrote:They'll still be going down sinks/ plug holes though. How else do you dispose of your paint pot water?
Won't be anywhere near the same levels as with hygiene products, but it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.
How many people paint with GW paints versus those who use hygiene products? The amount entering the environment through GW paints will have an infinitesimal impact compared to the amount entering it through hygiene products.
My stance is that we shouldn't have these entering the environment completely unecessarily in any quantity. Just because one thing is worse than another doesn't mean the lesser one is ok.
The US is awful for greenhouse gas emissions, that doesn't mean the rest of the world shouldn't attempt to reduce theirs.
Plus hygiene products are starting to face legislation banning microbeads, so the issue on that front is improving.
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Post by: Ghaz
At the quantity these will be entering the environment at from GW products, there are a lot more worrisome things entering the environment to go after.
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Post by: GoatboyBeta
sockwithaticket wrote:They'll still be going down sinks/ plug holes though. How else do you dispose of your paint pot water?.
I have some house plants in my window that get watered on a regular basis That said I have mixed feelings about this. Texture paints make basing much simpler and GW ones are probably the easiest for me to get hold of so any improvements are welcome. On the other hand I'd rather there were no microbeads involved even though the amount making there way into the environment from them will be tiny.
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Post by: silent25
Ghaz wrote:At the quantity these will be entering the environment at from GW products, there are a lot more worrisome things entering the environment to go after.
Just to add for all those people who are suddenly environmentalists because of GW putting beads in paint. You've already dumped more plastic into the environment with trashing sprues for kits and washed more plastic down the drain washing your hands and clothes from all plastic shavings from cleaning kits. As Ghaz said, there are a lot worse things to worry about that we dump into the environment.
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Post by: kronk
 silent25 wrote:
Just to add for all those people who are suddenly environmentalists because of GW putting beads in paint.
Not sure why you're preaching. I haven't seen any tree-huggers in this thread. Slow your roll.
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Post by: EnTyme
Ghaz wrote:
How many people paint with GW paints versus those who use hygiene products?
Based on my local FLGS, I would say these two demographics a definitely mutually exclusive.
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Post by: angelofvengeance
I don't know about you lot, but I use a glue spreader when I use the textured paints. I make sure the spreader is pretty damn clean before I wash it.
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Post by: silent25
 kronk wrote: silent25 wrote:
Just to add for all those people who are suddenly environmentalists because of GW putting beads in paint.
Not sure why you're preaching. I haven't seen any tree-huggers in this thread. Slow your roll.
Then why are we even talking about it if no one cares? 
People are talking about it, so they do.
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Post by: Gamgee
I care about the micro beads. I didn't even know they existed until now since I never see anything with them in Canada. So I think it should stay that way. I have a feeling these paints wont make it up here which is good.
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Post by: silent25
 Gamgee wrote:I care about the micro beads. I didn't even know they existed until now since I never see anything with them in Canada. So I think it should stay that way. I have a feeling these paints wont make it up here which is good.
Pointed out in another thread, but Liquitex already makes textured gels with glass and resin beads. I'm pretty sure it's available in Canada as well. My point is don't freak out about it. We're dumping a lot of plastic into the air, land, and water as is. There areas we can make more of an impact than worry about the bit that might go down the drain from this paint.
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Post by: shade1313
Yep, I'm doing a lot more with my airbrush lately, and it'd be damn nice to have those available at the local shop.
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Post by: Davor
Gamgee wrote:I care about the micro beads. I didn't even know they existed until now since I never see anything with them in Canada. So I think it should stay that way. I have a feeling these paints wont make it up here which is good.
Good point. Something about how only in Canada we can only have black or white spray paint from GW. I don't think the other colours are available for what ever reason. I wonder if this will go down the same path.
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Post by: Matt.Kingsley
Davor wrote: Gamgee wrote:I care about the micro beads. I didn't even know they existed until now since I never see anything with them in Canada. So I think it should stay that way. I have a feeling these paints wont make it up here which is good.
Good point. Something about how only in Canada we can only have black or white spray paint from GW. I don't think the other colours are available for what ever reason. I wonder if this will go down the same path.
Maybe in the future, but for now they'll be able to sell them as Canada's microbead ban only specifically targets cosmetic and cleaning companies.
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Post by: TheCustomLime
Oh, cool, I'm glad they made the texture paints brush on now. Not that I'd use my nice brushes with them, though.
And don't worry, my green hearted friends. I'll be sure not to chuck these into my local river.
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Post by: Pariah-Miniatures
go to you local art supply store and buy yourself a massive amount of texture paint in varying kinds from Liquitex, the inventors of acrylic paint that we all love so dearly.
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Post by: Gamgee
Onatrio means the land of a thousand lakes. It's basically a huge collection of lakes and rivers and a large water basin. Many of these run into each other and all over the place. Ontario is a pretty wet place because of this so any sort of pollution would be bad if it can be helped.
Given the fact that the Earth is dying I would rather not hasten it for some stupid plastic miniatures. I'm done with the Captain Planet stuff I got my opinion out. Back on topic.
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Post by: TheCustomLime
Gamgee wrote:Onatrio means the land of a thousand lakes. It's basically a huge collection of lakes and rivers and a large water basin. Many of these run into each other and all over the place. Ontario is a pretty whet place because of this so any sort of pollution would be bad if it can be helped.
Given the fact that the Earth is dying I would rather not hasten it for some stupid plastic miniatures.
The Earth is not dying. It is undergoing an unfavorable environmental paradigm shift that ironically is both caused by us and is bad for us. Some forms of life just looove what we have done with the planet. Also, it's the equivalent of declaring that you slowed down global warming by riding your bike to work once. The tiny amount you might release by rinsing your brushes would be infinitesimal compared to what the cosmetics industry is doing.
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Post by: motyak
Let's focus on the topic, yeah?
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Post by: TomWB
Ignore this, I was being off topic.
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Post by: TheDraconicLord
Welp, this is awesome. I'm a big fan of the Stirland Mud texture paint, been using it a lot lately because of Star Wars Imperial Assault miniatures so more and better texture paints is damn good news 
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Post by: Marxist artist
What's the difference in the thickness ? Of the similar texture paint?
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Post by: StygianBeach
Microbeads!
For feths sake!
I am not happy about that.
What do they start adding in next time, Fluoride?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
They're not microbeads. They're Citadel™ Finebeads™.
Completely different (and far higher quality) thing.
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Post by: Warhams-77
Are there any photos of the GW Battlemat?
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Post by: CragHack
Oh yeah, it's been quite some time I've been looking for a decent Urban themed battlemat. If it's anything close to the Sector Imperialis - I'm sold on that one.
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Post by: Warhams-77
- Wrong thread -
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Post by: Davor
 TheCustomLime wrote: Also, it's the equivalent of declaring that you slowed down global warming by riding your bike to work once. The tiny amount you might release by rinsing your brushes would be infinitesimal compared to what the cosmetics industry is doing.
That is funny. Ride your bike to work, but use up all that hydro and cause even more pollution. How ironic some people are.
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Post by: Ghaz
Close up shot from War of Sigmar:
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Post by: hotsauceman1
Today I learned several things, one the mictobeads exist, and people have a seething hatred for them.
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Post by: Zywus
Would these microbeads be a good size to use as molecular bonding studs on marine armour of older marks?
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Post by: Daedalus81
 StygianBeach wrote:Microbeads!
For feths sake!
I am not happy about that.
What do they start adding in next time, Fluoride?
Oh good lord...
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Post by: Kosake
Daedalus81 wrote: StygianBeach wrote:Microbeads!
For feths sake!
I am not happy about that.
What do they start adding in next time, Fluoride?
Oh... Oh my. This thread has certainly brought out some "interesting" points of view. Watch out for those chemtrails, guys.
To put it in scientific terms: microbeads and similar plastic particles *ARE* a problem. That stuff - predominantly added to cosmetics and personal hygieFne products - get washed down the drain and end up being eaten by small animals, which initiates their propagation through the food chain. And while they are not harmfull as such to humans, they can cause a lot of havoc for wildlife, being indigestible etc.
Now, Miniatures get stripped rather rarely all and all and texture paint is not something people use on a gallon per year basis (unlike scrubbing soaps or toothpaste), so the ammounts of microbeads that will be released to the environment from citadel paints is probably negligible, all things considered.
On the other hand - why does it has to be there in the first place? Fine sand would probably work just as well, if you stirr your paint a bit before use (as you should anyways, I bet even without sedimentation of the particles, half of those paints will suffer from phase sepparation when left unstirred).
Fluoride on the other hand, is an essential trace element, required for lotsa stuff in your biochemistry, so I fail to see how that is even a concern. In case you mean Fluorine, the element - well then, that would first ignite the paint pot, then the paint, then whatever else it comes into contact with, so I doubt it will become standard ingredient in paint formulations anytime soon.
That being said, is there a picture of what the textured paint will look like in practice?
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Post by: CragHack
So, I got some details regarding the new battlemat (posting it here, don't see a more suitable topic)
*It's covered in neopr-something (the same thing mouse pads are made from) and the bottom is made from rubber. It's really thick (~0,5 cm) and it has some special corners preventing from splitting like mouse pads do.
*The price is 65 euros.
*The size is 4x4.
*It has some road, connecting to a building.
*They are planning to make more.
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Post by: Ragnar69
That's lame. For that money I get a 6x4 mat from gamemat.eu in (very likely) the same quality.
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Post by: Armarnis
too bad that mat is only 4x4 and not 6x4 :<
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Post by: Dr_Keenbean
As someone who is pretty much done playing games that use 4'x6' in favor of ones that use 4'x4' (including Kill Team, low-point AoS, and Zone Mortalis) a mat that will probably look nice and not require me to pay an absurd shipping rate (since it seems like most are made in UK or the EU) is very enticing.
I'd really like to see some pictures though. I'm half expecting a photo of a painted Sector Imperialis board.
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Post by: StygianBeach
 Kosake wrote:Daedalus81 wrote: StygianBeach wrote:Microbeads!
For feths sake!
I am not happy about that.
What do they start adding in next time, Fluoride?
Oh... Oh my. This thread has certainly brought out some "interesting" points of view. Watch out for those chemtrails, guys.
To put it in scientific terms: microbeads and similar plastic particles *ARE* a problem. That stuff - predominantly added to cosmetics and personal hygieFne products - get washed down the drain and end up being eaten by small animals, which initiates their propagation through the food chain. And while they are not harmfull as such to humans, they can cause a lot of havoc for wildlife, being indigestible etc.
Now, Miniatures get stripped rather rarely all and all and texture paint is not something people use on a gallon per year basis (unlike scrubbing soaps or toothpaste), so the ammounts of microbeads that will be released to the environment from citadel paints is probably negligible, all things considered.
On the other hand - why does it has to be there in the first place? Fine sand would probably work just as well, if you stirr your paint a bit before use (as you should anyways, I bet even without sedimentation of the particles, half of those paints will suffer from phase sepparation when left unstirred).
Fluoride on the other hand, is an essential trace element, required for lotsa stuff in your biochemistry, so I fail to see how that is even a concern. In case you mean Fluorine, the element - well then, that would first ignite the paint pot, then the paint, then whatever else it comes into contact with, so I doubt it will become standard ingredient in paint formulations anytime soon.
That being said, is there a picture of what the textured paint will look like in practice?
LoL Daedalus81... nice edit there. Now, where did I leave my tin foil hat....
When I mentioned Fluoride it was a reference to Fluorosulfuric acid.
The microbeads are dangerous and should not be used in a product which will end up in the waterways... much like Fluorosulfuric acid.
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Post by: Ghaz
GW has posted a Textured Paints pdf for the new Texture paints. The results look quite good.
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Post by: unmercifulconker
I am loving these 'chunkier' texture paints, the large cracking martian paint looks ace and will definitely try the new snow one out for my Beastclaws.
Also like the base displays were they have textured over part of the debris to make it look like its sticking out of the ground.
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Post by: AllSeeingSkink
The snow effect one looks interesting. If that picture is a representation of how it really comes out, it might replace some of my existing go-to snow methods.
But after the horrible "snow static grass" they had years back I think I'll wait and see before I start throwing out my Woodland Scenics Soft Flake Snow and microballoons.
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