Right so at the end of my thread regarding the Infernal Tetrad. I got into a bit of gossip mongering about some up coming Chaos Space Marine and Daemon products.

So this what I know as true. As much as can be expected of an early rumer.

A good friend of mine who works in my local GW store, has let me in on some information. Now he's told me things that are "coming soon" before and he's always been proved right before. So I personally believe what he's told me.

Things he says are coming soon. a new daemonkin style Codex: for the three remaining Chaos powers, A new set of Chaos data cards comprising of the tacticle objective cards (originaly available with with the special edition version of Traitor's Hate) and new Pykic Power cards for Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, with seven powers for each and conversion kits for the Chaos Powers like those for Blood Angels, Space Wolves etc with 10 shoulder pads champion heads weapons. So yeh if he's done his clearvoyant trick I'll be very very busy through next year. If he gets anything else he lets me in on I'll be sure to share.

Here's hoping! We will need those to fight the plastic sisters of battle.

What is this exactly?

"Things he says are coming soon. a new daemonkin style Codex: for the three remaining Chaos powers"

It sounds weird

Slaanesh Dameonkin, Tzeentch Daemonkin, Nurgle Daemonkin.

A conversion kit? How lame.

Cult Troops are more than just shoulder pads and a few different helmets.

This is almost definitely incorrect. Sad panda has clearly stated more than once that there will not be deamonkin books. GW themselves have confirmed that they are doing full sprues for at least thousands sons. It is possible that we may get conversion kits as well, like with the GSc but that is the only part of this rumour that rings true.

daemonkin style Codex

Not a daemonkin codex.

Although I'm skeptical, nevertheless.

this sorta ties in with the 1k sons rumours, I could see the 1k sons codex be daemonkin style

Not a single crossover Codex: for all three one whole book for each of them.

The Data Cards are the only thing he said had stuff for all three in, the faction spesific psykic powers.

The only thing I don't get is how the updated psykic powers will play into the new Codex:s.

Point. If we're getting new powers there will need to be a printed version of them. Not everyone will be able to afford or want the the cards they're a nice touch and I always get them for any factions I own, but they are for everyone.

Now l lets take what I've heard to be true. If we're getting three new Codex:s it stands to reason that each discipline will be in the appropriate faction Codex:. But I know some people who flat out dislike the Daemonkin thing. should they have to buy three Codex:s they don't really want just so they can have the updated psykic powers for an army and Codex: they already own?

And Azreal13, when I said a daemonkin style Codex: I meant a Codex: each for each chaos power, that do for each of them, what Khorne Daemonkin does for Khorne unit's, but won't necessarily have "Daemonkin" in the title,

And on the subject of scepticism. Any man who is not sceptical about another man's rumour is a fool. Any man who endorses said rumour whithout evidence is a fool among fools.

I am sceptical about everything. The reason that I'm fairly confindent of these rumours is the guy that told me has tipped me off on things before. and everything he's told me about I now own. Like I said in my thread on the Infernal Tetrad "Sorcererof Khorne". His early info has always proved to be correct. I just hope they get the Data Cards before Christmas as I'll need them for the legion Codex: I'm wrighting.

"Please GW, please before Chrimbo,"

Are you sure he said 'crossover" meaning the other Daemonic powers, or crossover as in CSM: Thousand sons + Tzeentch Daemons?

Current rumors are pointing to the later. Especially since the confirmed Malgus DP box says "Thousand Sons" where normally the Faction name goes. As there is yet a "Thousand Sons" faction, it suggests a new codex.
There is also the rumor of a Warzone Fenris: Part 2, which would line up quite well with this.

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Right. as I understand it he means. A Codex: for Tzeentch, a Codex: for Nurgle and a Codex: for Slaanesh with new rules, wargear, formations, etc. For armies built around both mortals and daemons dedicated to the aforementioned power/faction. But they probably won't have "Daemonkin" in title.


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Yeh I'm pretty sure we'll be getting more campaign books to represent the activities of Abaddon's 13th black crusade. a lot more.

This is already wrong as we have seen the full sprues for the Thousand Sons.

Not a conversion kit.

The 40K, post Rubric, 1K Sons?

Have missed those?

 dan2026 wrote:
This is already wrong as we have seen the full sprues for the Thousand Sons.

Not a conversion kit.

Well, BA and SW have both conversion kits and full sprue, and the rumour even compared to those factions.

Not that I care much for these kind of rumors. Although they seem quite harmless.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

The Daemonette chariots?

 Azreal13 wrote:
The 40K, post Rubric, 1K Sons?

Have missed those?

They showed the sprue in the same video they revealed Magnus.
The one with the plastic Sisters name drop.

 Andross wrote:
Right so at the end of my thread regarding the Infernal Tetrad. I got into a bit of gossip mongering about some up coming Chaos Space Marine and Daemon products.

So this what I know as true. As much as can be expected of an early rumer.

A good friend of mine who works in my local GW store, has let me in on some information. Now he's told me things that are "coming soon" before and he's always been proved right before. So I personally believe what he's told me.

Things he says are coming soon. a new daemonkin style Codex: for the three remaining Chaos powers, A new set of Chaos data cards comprising of the tacticle objective cards (originaly available with with the special edition version of Traitor's Hate) and new Pykic Power cards for Tzeentch, Nurgle and Slaanesh, with seven powers for each and conversion kits for the Chaos Powers like those for Blood Angels, Space Wolves etc with 10 shoulder pads champion heads weapons. So yeh if he's done his clearvoyant trick I'll be very very busy through next year. If he gets anything else he lets me in on I'll be sure to share.

Oh are we doing rumours? Sisters Jan / Feb

S.Y.

 dan2026 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

The Daemonette chariots?

No. He's referring to the Hellstriders of Slaanesh.

 dan2026 wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

The Daemonette chariots?

 Azreal13 wrote:
The 40K, post Rubric, 1K Sons?

Have missed those?

They showed the sprue in the same video they revealed Magnus.
The one with the plastic Sisters name drop.

Yep, they were in the plastic recycling bin.

Wait, so a "my friend who works at a GW store" rumor isn't legit? WHAT?

 Andross wrote:


And on the subject of scepticism. Any man who is not sceptical about another man's rumour is a fool. Any man who endorses said rumour whithout evidence is a fool among fools.

Well said.

I think all of this makes sense if the second part of Battlezone Fenris has been confirmed. In my opinion this would be the most likely source of the rumours as the DP Magnus and plastic 1K Sons seems to be a natural fit, if this is so.

Details of these releases might change, but on the off chance that GW reviews these types of posts, I hope the excitement this type of stuff generates is evendent.

As a CSM and DoC player there is nothing rumoured here that I wouldn't welcome into my collections.

 jmurph wrote:
Wait, so a "my friend who works at a GW store" rumor isn't legit? WHAT?

Let me tell you, the people at the local GW shops are always the first to know about new releases and future direction of the game. No point in being skeptical.

 techsoldaten wrote:

 jmurph wrote:
Wait, so a "my friend who works at a GW store" rumor isn't legit? WHAT?

Let me tell you, the people at the local GW shops are always the first to know about new releases and future direction of the game. No point in being skeptical.

They really don't.

My sibling worked for GW for a few years and he literally got told maybe a week before.

For example your expected to paint x or y

S.Y.

I always enjoyed popping into my local to tell them about the near future releases they didn't know about lol

Here's to a relatively short-lived and amusing stint on the tracker.

The Tau Fire Warrior and Chaos Space Marine kits were, bar none, the worst kits I'd seen.

Fire Warriors got an excellent new kit (though they got rid of one of the better sets of legs from the original kit).

I literally abandoned my True Scale Chaos Marines project because the existing kit is so awful. I really should just sell them on EBay while there's still some demand.

I'd love to see new Chaos Marines. I'd also hate it, because if it's any good, I'd inevitably end up buying some to accumulate more models I'd barely use.

@Andross for keeping the thread civil and posting more of what he had heard. People at GW shops are not a good source for info in general but this is at least a rumor discussion of what could happen with CSM and Daemons.

The latest photos collected (pics via War of Sigmar, BOLS, Spikeybits and others) - GW had confirmed on FB that the sprue from the trashcan is indeed plastic 1k Sons for 40k


They have been teasing Fenris II for a while now

I love how in that last picture there is a Harlequin vaulting over a Flamer of Tzeentch.

Talk about balls of steel.

Wait...what's that tentacle-dredlock daemon in the background? It almost looks like it's holding that guardians head. Seems a bit too big and humanoid for a spawn.

 Roknar wrote:
Wait...what's that tentacle-dredlock daemon in the background? It almost looks like it's holding that guardians head. Seems a bit too big and humanoid for a spawn.

Chaos Spawn. Note the sword arm.

I'll let you on a pet peave.Which may explain why GW are trying to create so much new metierial for Chaos Space Marines. They did not truly finnish the army

. All other Codex:s I own, IS Marines, D Angels, S Angels, Space Wolves, Dark Eldar, Tyranids all have miniatures representing any and all unit choices.

Now with Chaos Space Marines. there are to blatent and conspicuous omissions. Cultits and Chosen.

You may say you get them both in Dark Vengance or mention the five man Cultist boxed squads.

Not in eitherare these true miniatures kits as what we expect from GW, but also show a huge a lack of effort and/or vision on there part. before I go on Ineed everyone to understand I love Games Workshop and almost every piece of work they've done. but this realy upset me they gave us beautiful examples of what they had in mind for Cultist and Cultist models but then forget to give us a boxed kit with all the weapon and head options. That is wrong. OK? you can't do that.

Any way Ithink we'll probably see kits for those soon too.

Now to address Abadabadoobaddon's coment.

You quite right. GW have been rather lax on the Slaash for 40K front. We got a few nice daemon units and nothing for the mortals. But hink on what you actually posted.

You dont think GW would my a Codex: for the forces of Slaanesh because they've not relesed new for that specific Chaos Power for along time.

OK we got a new Kharn with Traitor's Hate, a few days to week after Iget tipped off to new Codex: new Tzeentch models are anounced.

Throughout the extensive time I've hobbied within the 40K universe (been playing since 2nd Edition) I've found that the time we usually see new miniatures releases is when a new Codex: is released.

So your coment is probably more an argument for a new Slaanesh Codex: than one against.

Wait and see. Probably more waiting, and less seeing, if past is anything to go by... And then, what comes out will have great Fluff, but terrible play.

Codex: Khorne Daemonkin saw a Bloodthirster and that was it.

Traitor's Hate saw Kharn.

So I fully expect 1 new Slaanesh unit should a new book be made. To share between Marines & Daemons, of course.

I want to see an everchosen-kind of army.

Yes one model and a lot of formations. But then Khorne armys where still playing OK. Nurgle work OK too. But Slaanesh realy needs some help.

Right now if the Codex:s and so fourth come out as I've been told they will. They may release new berzerkers because a lot of people say they look goofy by todays standards.

personally I still like them the aesthetic still looks coherent alongside the new Kharn. If they had made a dramatic change to Kharn's appearance, then they would have had to had to have changed to keep a good fit between the units.

I would Like to new miniatures for the other 4 characters from the Chaos Big 5, Same design more or less as they are now but more dinamic poses.

We're definitely getting new Thousand sons so it's probably safe to say new noise marines are on the way.

Don't think they'll make new plque marine sculpts but they'll make probably convert them to plastic. I think now that one can fine sculpt in plastic. resin models are going to disappear outside Forge World altogether.

 Andross wrote:
I would Like to new miniatures for the other 4 characters from the Chaos Big 5,

If we see Malal elevated to a "true" Major God of Chaos, that would be awesome!

I'd like to see plastic Flesh Hounds, Fiends and Beasts of Nurgle.

My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

I think Games Workshop will be plastic only in the very near future.

In my time with Games Workshop I have seen the death of lead, the death of white metal and pewter, and now I wil witness the demise of resin at the hands hands of the Plastipocalypes.

 Andross wrote:
I think Games Workshop will be plastic only in the very near future.

In my time with Games Workshop I have seen the death of lead, the death of white metal and pewter, and now I wil witness the demise of resin at the hands hands of the Plastipocalypes.

Just wait until GW releases the miniatures in marzipan instead of plastic.

At least they'll have (terrible pun) tasty rules.

I said it and I deserve to suffer.

Has the War zone fenris sequal even been confirmed? So far we just got some artwork.

When they posted the Silver Towers in space artwork on facebook, they did call it Warzone Fenris part II, it should still be online if you want to check it.

OK, I think War Zone Feris is almost a dead cert.

I think they're gonna be building up to a Black Crusade campaign book like Codex: Eye of Terror, wihich is pretty cool.

I just pray ff they take the story into the 41K era they don't ruin the game by change the game play mechanic like they did when the released Age of Sigmar, hate that game.

The rules aren't quite as awful as the truly abominable rules to the Lord of the Rings game, but still horible.

I used to have 5 armies, but 1 game of Age of Sigmar and they were on EBay. shame I loved my wood elves. But as long as the don't completely destroy 40K, Then I don't mind if they bring back the surviving primarch's or kill the Emperor


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No Offence to anyone who loves AoS.

It just I find the rules are over simplified, multiple wounds on everything is ridiculous and the hero phase could be OK but feels weird, as it is.

It would be OK to have multiple games with different rules set in the same uivurse but binning a perfectly good game is probably not the best to do it.

Damn I mourn that game.

From what I've heard they aren't going to be doing a full AoS-ing to 40k. The story will be advanced but will be 30 seconds to midnight instead of 2 minutes. The rules will be cut down and go to a 'warscroll' format, but not to the level of a 4-page ruleset (that needs a full rulebook release before it works). Basically GW understands that with fantasy they went full Sigmar.

Never go full Sigmar.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
From what I've heard they aren't going to be doing a full AoS-ing to 40k. The story will be advanced but will be 30 seconds to midnight instead of 2 minutes. The rules will be cut down and go to a 'warscroll' format, but not to the level of a 4-page ruleset (that needs a full rulebook release before it works). Basically GW understands that with fantasy they went full Sigmar.

Never go full Sigmar.

I know I'm just some dude on a forum but for what it's worth that aligns with everything I've heard too.

Mentioned this in the future gw releases, but i was looking at the new WD and in the hints for next month it said "After Prospero."

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Yeh. I'm still nervous.

AoS, realy was bad. I'd hate to see them wreck the last good war game that isn't hitorical reinactment.

I like having a nice codex with back story, weapons with there own stats and special rules separate to the models wielding them.

I thought the Hero Phase could be fun if intergrated carfully enough. and all units must have propper stat lines and upgradable options.

Basically if they AoS the game at all I can see myself looking for comparative prices on napolionic cavalry.

Yea we might want to cut the AoS talk right there. Every time it is brought up on this forum or any other I've seen, it just devolves into the mother of all arguments.

Back to chaos stuff.

Since 1ksons are just a month away hopefully we will get some rumors on what kind of units, powers or formations we are to expect.

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Huh. That's the first time I've seen you peg a timeframe for Thousand Sons.

Is December for Rubrics aswell? I thought it was just gonna be Magnus but actual Thousand Sons release in December would be an awesome crimbo present.

What I would actually do is take current rules system and convert all new units to rules that work and play games with my brother and a handful of friends, who also hate boring unimaginative over simplified rules with no depth or creativety.

Yeh I'd feel really bad about not being able to go and play at my local GW store.

But I will not play baby hammer just to fit in with hypocritical sicophants.

One guy at my local says he won't play 40K if they butcher the rules, yet I know he's gonna be pushing them on little kids who've never seen a good rule system in their poor short lives. Then once he's done he'll go home hop in the shower and cry untill he feels just a little less dirty.

Don't think for one minute I feel strongly about this, by the way.

 Atia wrote:


There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Atia coming in with the good news!

I'm not all that interested in Blood Bowl (not to say it's a bad game. A game with that kind of rabid following this long after its official death has to be pretty good), but I am budgeting some time and resources for a Thousand Sons army. The bulk of my rubrics will be made using the current conversion kits, MK. IV armor from Betrayal at Calth and my small mountain of Tomb Kings bits, which has me excited about having the basic troops out of the way for Big Red and any special units they may get!

Edit:
Now that I think about it, I do wonder what all we should expect as far as units besides Magnus, Ahriman, Rubric Marines and Rubric terminators. I'm sure that generic TS Sorcerers will be in the book, but will there be any special units to represent the special organization of the Legion? Like Corvidae terminator sorcerers and what not?

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Yeah, debate on saving for another Dwarf Fund or blowing it on 1K Sons
As for the rest, I can't say.

 Andross wrote:
What I would actually do is take current rules system and convert all new units to rules that work and play games with my brother and a handful of friends, who also hate boring unimaginative over simplified rules with no depth or creativety.

Yeh I'd feel really bad about not being able to go and play at my local GW store.

But I will not play baby hammer just to fit in with hypocritical sicophants.

One guy at my local says he won't play 40K if they butcher the rules, yet I know he's gonna be pushing them on little kids who've never seen a good rule system in their poor short lives. Then once he's done he'll go home hop in the shower and cry untill he feels just a little less dirty.

Don't think for one minute I feel strongly about this, by the way.

If you don't feel strongly about it, stop posting, it's off topic in a news and rumour forum.

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

GW could not find a window for the Silver Tower Tzeentch models to be re-released and/or get multipart kits this year? It seemed like the next weeks are so empty. Only some hobby products according to the WD...

Warhams-77 wrote:

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

GW could not find a window for the Silver Tower Tzeentch models to be re-released and/or get multipart kits this year? It seemed like the next weeks are so empty. Only some hobby products according to the WD...

I sadly have no ETA for the arcanists (but they should take the stage as big badies for AoS next afaik) - but they reboxed the heroes (well, they are pretty pricey soooo). So who know's *shrugs*. It's usually one big release per month and filler for the other weeks now - hence it feels rather slow.

Yes, it does :( I will keep nine fingers crossed though. Genestealer Cults still arrived after it looked like they wouldn't when there was a week of emptiness after DW. And Burning of Prospero is big but it's hard to believe that will be it until the 19th of November (BB). The last two years were so packed with releases in comparison

Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

Do you really not realize that people referring to "1k sons" are using one of the long-established shorthand terms for the Thousand Sons? 1k = Thousand

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

 Sersi wrote:
People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Past actions are no indication of future actions when it comes to GW. They change horses mid-race so often they've become experts at it.

 Andross wrote:

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

Warhammer: Ancient Battles is long out of print

Yay, that's right my bad. a the mo the only definate units are thousand sons. But there will be more.

More what? Cult Terminators? Seems pointless to re-do the troops in plastic if the Terminators are going to stay the same all handicapped kit.

 Sersi wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Almost as if they were in a hurry to retire the boobnettes ASAP.

I feel like the original poster is just winging this whole thread by rewording things we already know with a little bit of suggestion in the mix.

 Wilson wrote:
I feel like the original poster is just winging this whole thread by rewording things we already know with a little bit of suggestion in the mix.

To go back to this topic - I'm pretty sure we will get all four cult armies down the line, but that's not anytime soon. It's the same with the (daemon) primarchs - you won't get all of them next year lol. These are big awesome releases, they won't hit out everything they can do within a few months.

Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting, I bet we see all plastic SoB and Squats before cult troops. Even Harlequins, AdMech and Genestealer Cults beat us to it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting...

Not sure if trolling or...

Methinks lamenting, given the rest of the post ;-)

Over on faeit they have dredged up the old rumour about Magnus being a combo kit with the loc. I was very dubious at first but on closer examination the following thoughts occurred.
The armour of his left arm and left leg look like separate pieces. His left leg has feathers sprouting behind his ankle.
The blade could easily be changed into a staff with a new head.
If you remove the armour, change the staff into a vertical orientation and add a loc head on an elongated neck , you could make the whole model appear taller and thinner.
In terms of extra bits you would need a new head, A new staff top, a new right hand and some new torso clothing. It would certainly be GW's most ambitious multi build set, but it could be possible.
Personally I think they will due a seperate box set but maybe share a sprue, like skarbrand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting...

Not sure if trolling or...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I bet we see all plastic SoB and Squats before cult troops.

Sarcasm detector may need adjusting.

I've been binge watching Daria.

In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change? They are from different factions and GW has all the tech and staff to produce seprate kits for each one. Kairos on the other hand would be more likely and they wont make it a triple kit, will they? The era of re-using parts of models has gone with the new tech imo. They could have made a Glottkin and a GUO, but they haven't.

But more significant, SP said the Lord of Change will be a kit that comes at the end of Tz releases. He never mentioned these would be multi-use sprues/kits albeit he reliably rumored all the other Tz releases.

Due to CAD/Zbrush (like most companies, including FW) they have lots of archives to take 3d meshes from. Using Tz elements for several Tzeentch models would not be surprising. And this was pointed out by SP too. He was even 'mocking' the other former Greater Daemon-rumor sources. It seems likely that not many people actually know something about these kits.

I have built a second Bloodthirster from the plastic kit's spare parts based on an AoS Korgorath body. It is very similiar to the Bloodthirster kit and fits the double-handed axe with some minor conversions. It also fits all the heads quite perfectly. Many of these bits are compatible both model- and designwise in a way. The Khorgorath's legs are a bit shorter though. But with a proper scenic base and Hive Tyrant Wings, he works fine as a Bloodthirster. The Korgorath seems to come from a similiar range of pieces (khorne archive?) as the new BT kits. But the final product is quite different.

I dont think the Natfka rumor is from a reliable source and it is just someone making it up and selling it as info to him.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Almost as if they were in a hurry to retire the boobnettes ASAP.

That's the point though. If they were really opposed to keeping Slaanesh in the game. They would not have replace those models at all. They would cut her out of the original 2008 codex. Rather than investing replacement kits and expanding the Slaanesh model line with three kinds of chariots and Hellstriders.

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Well you see, all the Chaos legions broke into warbands and therefore don't exist anymore. This is why M41 CSM don't have any Heresy equipment.

On the other hand the loyal legions broke into successor chapters that inherited their parent legion's equipment. This is why M41 SM have Heresy equipment.

Anyway most M41 CSM are recently-turned renegades from loyalist successor chapters that inherited their parent legion's equipment. And this is why M41 CSM don't have any Heresy equipment.

Exactly, Sersi

And a removal of Slaanesh from the range is some puritan Americans' agenda pushed on BOLS and just nonsense. The Khorne Bloodbound fluff sold via Warhammer Visions at magazine stores and supermarkets was so full of gore and brutality (including rape and canibalism) any content-sensitive parents would not allow this to be read by children and youths up to the age of at least 14. So GW evidently doesnt care about being kids-friendly. The Sylvaneth range comes with naked breasts, GW has no issue with releasing such models and clearly not with producing more 'nude' Slaanesh kits

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

You know how to make a day!

lord_blackfang a precedent has been set for three way kit builds Landraider/Landraider Crusader and Landraider Redeemer, and the Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought/Murderfang and Bjorne the Fell-Handed. So it's possible, and if we get the trio of daemonkin Codex:s, almost certain.

On a related topic I'm realy hoping for Sorcerer Dreadnought.

Warhams-77 wrote:
In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change? They are from different factions and GW has all the tech and staff to produce seprate kits for each one. Kairos on the other hand would be more likely and they wont make it a triple kit, will they? The era of re-using parts of models has gone with the new tech imo. They could have made a Glottkin and a GUO, but they haven't.

Because it so much profitable than stand alone kit.
There is a Bloodthirster with 3 variants and Skarbrand that is half-bloodthirster kit.
I wouldn't be surprised with the same treatment LoC/Fateweaver as default kit and Magnus as a differents box but with the sprue from first one.

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

Should have thought about that before you embraced the dark gods. A tech priest builds blessed war machines for the glory of the Imperium.

Your dark mechanicus just wants to see what happens if he puts a giant flamethrower on a mechanical dragon, or if he can make a giant mechanical dog with rotary cannons on its back.

The old traitor legions have been suffering attrition for 10,000 years, without the material support of a galaxy-spanning empire. Most of their old equipment has long since been destroyed and had to have been salvaged or replaced. Most of the Marines from the Heresy are long-dead and been replaced with sub-standard recruits created from dark arts and stolen geneseed.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

 Atia wrote:


There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Boo :( I know we had a good run with TGH and the Battletomes that came out after, but this lull is kinda grinding. Well, I guess it gives some time for the meta to pan out, if nothing else.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

Newer fluff actually says every black crusade was successful aside from the 12th, which only succeeded half. And they keep continuing that trend with every book. The imperium never actually wins, it only makes pyrrhic victories. The nice thing is, GW can pump out campagin books for years with primarchs, Chaos Gods, the Silent King, the Emperor himself and what not but at some point they will have to decide if they destroy the imperium or the Chaos forces. And so far Chaos seems to be in a good position with the imperium being dumb enough to kill their best hope in the form of Eldar support.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

Should have thought about that before you embraced the dark gods. A tech priest builds blessed war machines for the glory of the Imperium.

Your dark mechanicus just wants to see what happens if he puts a giant flamethrower on a mechanical dragon, or if he can make a giant mechanical dog with rotary cannons on its back.

The old traitor legions have been suffering attrition for 10,000 years, without the material support of a galaxy-spanning empire. Most of their old equipment has long since been destroyed and had to have been salvaged or replaced. Most of the Marines from the Heresy are long-dead and been replaced with sub-standard recruits created from dark arts and stolen geneseed.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

Yup, the Vengeful Spirit.. Horus' old flagship and one of the largest vessels EVER created by the Imperium is 100% out of drop pods and that's why CSM can't use technology that all marines had access to! Makes total sense.. absolutely no ability to replace them! Rhinos? Predators? Land Raiders? No problem! But super common drop pods? Impossible!

Sounds like the kind of complaints the #2 son would make.

Besides, newer fluff doesn't make the previous Crusades successful, they simply have Abaddon moving the goal posts so he can pretend he hasn't been defeated every time by saying everything has been part of the 10,000 year long con, haha.

Abadddon doing well adopting the old Orkish proverb. If he wins, he wins. If his armies die, they die, and that don't count as defeat. If he runs for it, he gets to come back for anuvver go, see?

As far as "at some point having to decide", the game has existed for almost 30 years, and they haven't had to decide on anything. 40K isn't a story. It's a setting for players to make up their own stories. Chaos and the Imperium can fight without result indefinitely because they're not real things.

The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

Can't they still use dreadclaws?

 aka_mythos wrote:
The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

CSM can just ride down in Khorne Skullz (TM) that when it lands it explodes out hitting everything around it with warp bone fragments while the occupants pile out of the now open topped skull. Its made of warp stuff so you don't need for logistics to recover it as more can be summonred.

 aka_mythos wrote:
The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

Maybe some sort of small tower/portal structure that a Sorcerer can raise anywhere on the field that spits out marines, terms and helbrutes that are in reserve?

 Wilson wrote:
I feel like the original poster is just winging this whole thread by rewording things we already know with a little bit of suggestion in the mix.

Oh, he writes the 'in depth" articles for Taco Bell, does he?

Warhams-77 wrote:
Exactly, Sersi

And a removal of Slaanesh from the range is some puritan Americans' agenda pushed on BOLS and just nonsense. The Khorne Bloodbound fluff sold via Warhammer Visions at magazine stores and supermarkets was so full of gore and brutality (including rape and canibalism) any content-sensitive parents would not allow this to be read by children and youths up to the age of at least 14. So GW evidently doesnt care about being kids-friendly. The Sylvaneth range comes with naked breasts, GW has no issue with releasing such models and clearly not with producing more 'nude' Slaanesh kits

Exalted for using common sense.

 Kirasu wrote:
Yup, the Vengeful Spirit.. Horus' old flagship and one of the largest vessels EVER created by the Imperium is 100% out of drop pods and that's why CSM can't use technology that all marines had access to! Makes total sense.. absolutely no ability to replace them! Rhinos? Predators? Land Raiders? No problem! But super common drop pods? Impossible!

The Traitor Legions found that the Drop Pods were an especially popular target for possession and the possessed drop pods had a far greater tendency to eat its occupants than other possessed vehicles, so they decided to abandon drop pods.

Either that or they all got damaged and Horus left the STC programming for making them in the back pocket of his other pair of pants, which accidentally got left back on Terra before he rebelled.



I wouldn't be surprised to see all 4 legions eventually., but not all at once. At least they're remembering that there are things in Chaos that aren't Khorne.

Cosmic Schwung wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

Can't they still use dreadclaws?

Yes and that's a good example of a drop-pod-ish alternative. Dreadclaws are of a more multi-purpose landing oriented aircraft, being somewhere between a drop pod and cerastus assault ram in its purpose.

I can't believe there are still people arguing that we shouldn't have Legion rules.

There are still far more World Eaters or Iron Warriors than there are Blood Angels in the galaxy, even when broken up into multiple warbands. They should have their own rules, and the Forge World method (a central list that everyone uses with add-ons for a few units, characters and army special rules) is the best way to do it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't believe there are still people arguing that we shouldn't have Legion rules.

There are still far more World Eaters or Iron Warriors than there are Blood Angels in the galaxy, even when broken up into multiple warbands. They should have their own rules, and the Forge World method (a central list that everyone uses with add-ons for a few units, characters and army special rules) is the best way to do it.

Exalted.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't believe there are still people arguing that we shouldn't have Legion rules.

There are still far more World Eaters or Iron Warriors than there are Blood Angels in the galaxy, even when broken up into multiple warbands. They should have their own rules, and the Forge World method (a central list that everyone uses with add-ons for a few units, characters and army special rules) is the best way to do it.

Who is crazy enough to say Legion rules would be bad? I would love them!

What other special chars besides magnus and ahriman could there be? Sobek and Hathor Mat would be cool. Maybe that khayon guy?

The only people I imagine arguing against legion rules are just GW apologists trying to keep themselves happy with the status quo.


By the way, I can totally buy into the whole chaos god upgrade kit, but god-specific books, eeeeh...

But while I'm here I may as well ask about a 40k Ahriman and Silver Tower miniatures boxes (Tzaangors in particular)

 Omega-soul wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:
In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change? They are from different factions and GW has all the tech and staff to produce seprate kits for each one. Kairos on the other hand would be more likely and they wont make it a triple kit, will they? The era of re-using parts of models has gone with the new tech imo. They could have made a Glottkin and a GUO, but they haven't.

Because it so much profitable than stand alone kit.
There is a Bloodthirster with 3 variants and Skarbrand that is half-bloodthirster kit.
I wouldn't be surprised with the same treatment LoC/Fateweaver as default kit and Magnus as a differents box but with the sprue from first one.

The problem with that example is that Skarband is a Bloodthirster. While Magnus is not a Lord of Change. We might see at least two or more variants of the LOC, and Kairos as a separate box with reused sprues. But not Magnus. Neither Nagash nor Glottkin were dual kits after all.


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 aka_mythos wrote:
The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.

We don't need drop pods just something comparable to what a drop pod does. Just give CSM the option to buy DS for its units for a price with reduce scatter; call it warp rift/gate/etc. It happens enough in the fluff and even in some of our data sheets to justify it.

Warhams-77 wrote:
In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change?

One reason would be to save up on sprue costs.

Say Magnus is 2 sprues. Say LOC is 2 sprue. But dual kit you get it with 3 sprues.

One less sprue for PLASTIC models is pretty significant saving.

Depends on what kind of look they would be looking for on LOC. If it's close enough to Magnus that with good sprue design they can cut down on different sprues they need to produce multi-boxing would make more money.

Combo box or individual has never been about what they CAN do but, surprise surprise, what they deem to be most PROFITABLE.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I can't believe there are still people arguing that we shouldn't have Legion rules.

There are still far more World Eaters or Iron Warriors than there are Blood Angels in the galaxy, even when broken up into multiple warbands. They should have their own rules, and the Forge World method (a central list that everyone uses with add-ons for a few units, characters and army special rules) is the best way to do it.

Who is crazy enough to say Legion rules would be bad? I would love them!

Me. I would prefer snowflake rules from loyalists be taken away. It just pigeonholes armies, makes for unfluffy armies and results in codex hopping where one days imperial fists are next day white scars depending on does army have tactical marines or bikes(despite the fact that most white scars are still tactical marines. Not bikes)

tneva82 wrote:
Me. I would prefer snowflake rules from loyalists be taken away. It just pigeonholes armies, makes for unfluffy armies and results in codex hopping where one days imperial fists are next day white scars depending on does army have tactical marines or bikes(despite the fact that most white scars are still tactical marines. Not bikes)

That sounds like a problem with the people you're playing.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Me. I would prefer snowflake rules from loyalists be taken away. It just pigeonholes armies, makes for unfluffy armies and results in codex hopping where one days imperial fists are next day white scars depending on does army have tactical marines or bikes(despite the fact that most white scars are still tactical marines. Not bikes)

That sounds like a problem with the people you're playing.

That is common for tournaments.

You have no reason to NOT use white scars if you have lots of bikes(well okay ravenwing). You get free rules. Similarly having tons of tactical marines(that would be fluffy white scar list) you are taking tons of unit that don't really benefit that much from white scar rules while losing all the benefits imperial fist doctrine gives you.

That's what special snowflake rules give. They drive out armies into same pattern to maximize benefit you get. And as proven already they don't really encourage fluffy armies. Just look at any white scar list at tournaments. Seen much tactical marines lately? I have yet to see white scar army dominated by tactical marines. Howabout white scar army with devastators? Seen those lately?

tneva82 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Me. I would prefer snowflake rules from loyalists be taken away. It just pigeonholes armies, makes for unfluffy armies and results in codex hopping where one days imperial fists are next day white scars depending on does army have tactical marines or bikes(despite the fact that most white scars are still tactical marines. Not bikes)

That sounds like a problem with the people you're playing.

That is common for tournaments.

You have no reason to NOT use white scars if you have lots of bikes(well okay ravenwing). You get free rules. Similarly having tons of tactical marines(that would be fluffy white scar list) you are taking tons of unit that don't really benefit that much from white scar rules while losing all the benefits imperial fist doctrine gives you.

That's what special snowflake rules give. They drive out armies into same pattern to maximize benefit you get. And as proven already they don't really encourage fluffy armies. Just look at any white scar list at tournaments. Seen much tactical marines lately? I have yet to see white scar army dominated by tactical marines. Howabout white scar army with devastators? Seen those lately?

If it makes you feel better I have never included any of those things in my CHAOS marine armies.

Joyboozer wrote:
If it makes you feel better I have never included any of those things in my CHAOS marine armies.

But you can bet whatever you wish that were legion rules introduced you could predict composition of army just by looking what legion it fields. And often see army that isn't even that accurate to the fluff.

Just 'cause mistake was made doesn't mean correct solution is to make another mistake. Correct is to fix the original mistake.

tneva82 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
If it makes you feel better I have never included any of those things in my CHAOS marine armies.

But you can bet whatever you wish that were legion rules introduced you could predict composition of army just by looking what legion it fields. And often see army that isn't even that accurate to the fluff.

Just 'cause mistake was made doesn't mean correct solution is to make another mistake. Correct is to fix the original mistake.

Legion rules as a concept is definitely not the problem. FW has done legion rules justice and kept them EXTREMELY fluff-accurate, fun and viable.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

Should have thought about that before you embraced the dark gods. A tech priest builds blessed war machines for the glory of the Imperium.

Your dark mechanicus just wants to see what happens if he puts a giant flamethrower on a mechanical dragon, or if he can make a giant mechanical dog with rotary cannons on its back.

This is actually not true. IA13 tells that many Crusade/Heresy-era items are still in production by the Dark Mechanicum because they took the schematics with them when they fled (and presumably destroyed local records to deny them to the Imperium). Enough that the Land Raider Proteus is exceptional in that all examples of the vehicle amongst Chaos forces are either stolen or over ten thousand years old because Chaos forces can't make them.

It looks as if we've exhausted this one...