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Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

Do you really not realize that people referring to "1k sons" are using one of the long-established shorthand terms for the Thousand Sons? 1k = Thousand

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

 Sersi wrote:
People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Past actions are no indication of future actions when it comes to GW. They change horses mid-race so often they've become experts at it.

 Andross wrote:

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

Warhammer: Ancient Battles is long out of print

Yay, that's right my bad. a the mo the only definate units are thousand sons. But there will be more.

More what? Cult Terminators? Seems pointless to re-do the troops in plastic if the Terminators are going to stay the same all handicapped kit.

 Sersi wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Almost as if they were in a hurry to retire the boobnettes ASAP.

I feel like the original poster is just winging this whole thread by rewording things we already know with a little bit of suggestion in the mix.

 Wilson wrote:
I feel like the original poster is just winging this whole thread by rewording things we already know with a little bit of suggestion in the mix.

To go back to this topic - I'm pretty sure we will get all four cult armies down the line, but that's not anytime soon. It's the same with the (daemon) primarchs - you won't get all of them next year lol. These are big awesome releases, they won't hit out everything they can do within a few months.

Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting, I bet we see all plastic SoB and Squats before cult troops. Even Harlequins, AdMech and Genestealer Cults beat us to it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting...

Not sure if trolling or...

Methinks lamenting, given the rest of the post ;-)

Over on faeit they have dredged up the old rumour about Magnus being a combo kit with the loc. I was very dubious at first but on closer examination the following thoughts occurred.
The armour of his left arm and left leg look like separate pieces. His left leg has feathers sprouting behind his ankle.
The blade could easily be changed into a staff with a new head.
If you remove the armour, change the staff into a vertical orientation and add a loc head on an elongated neck , you could make the whole model appear taller and thinner.
In terms of extra bits you would need a new head, A new staff top, a new right hand and some new torso clothing. It would certainly be GW's most ambitious multi build set, but it could be possible.
Personally I think they will due a seperate box set but maybe share a sprue, like skarbrand.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Chaos isn't really all that important in the 40k setting...

Not sure if trolling or...

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I bet we see all plastic SoB and Squats before cult troops.

Sarcasm detector may need adjusting.

I've been binge watching Daria.

In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change? They are from different factions and GW has all the tech and staff to produce seprate kits for each one. Kairos on the other hand would be more likely and they wont make it a triple kit, will they? The era of re-using parts of models has gone with the new tech imo. They could have made a Glottkin and a GUO, but they haven't.

But more significant, SP said the Lord of Change will be a kit that comes at the end of Tz releases. He never mentioned these would be multi-use sprues/kits albeit he reliably rumored all the other Tz releases.

Due to CAD/Zbrush (like most companies, including FW) they have lots of archives to take 3d meshes from. Using Tz elements for several Tzeentch models would not be surprising. And this was pointed out by SP too. He was even 'mocking' the other former Greater Daemon-rumor sources. It seems likely that not many people actually know something about these kits.

I have built a second Bloodthirster from the plastic kit's spare parts based on an AoS Korgorath body. It is very similiar to the Bloodthirster kit and fits the double-handed axe with some minor conversions. It also fits all the heads quite perfectly. Many of these bits are compatible both model- and designwise in a way. The Khorgorath's legs are a bit shorter though. But with a proper scenic base and Hive Tyrant Wings, he works fine as a Bloodthirster. The Korgorath seems to come from a similiar range of pieces (khorne archive?) as the new BT kits. But the final product is quite different.

I dont think the Natfka rumor is from a reliable source and it is just someone making it up and selling it as info to him.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Sersi wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I'm sorry, but I just don't see Slaanesh getting a codex. When was the last Slaanesh release for either system? It was the Fantasy marauders on steeds, right?

People keep saying that... But don't forget Slaanesh Daemons got their new models first like 3 year before we got the first Tzeentch or Nurgle daemons. In fact Slaanesh got new models with each daemon release up until AOS. S/he also got the Hellstriders before the Nurgle Blightking models, the AOS Khorne waves, and Silver Tower. Besides fiends and the KOS hir Daemon complete. Does anyone seriously think we won't get Noise Marines when GW's already confirmed SOB?

Almost as if they were in a hurry to retire the boobnettes ASAP.

That's the point though. If they were really opposed to keeping Slaanesh in the game. They would not have replace those models at all. They would cut her out of the original 2008 codex. Rather than investing replacement kits and expanding the Slaanesh model line with three kinds of chariots and Hellstriders.

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

 Kirasu wrote:

 Andross wrote:
Yes is off topic with the reason I stated this thread so I'll jump right back on.

OK, firstly the conversion kits are not for a spacific legion. They're for a chaos power so 10 Mark ... shoulder pads appropriate weapons etc. So they can be used for any appropriately dedicated armys.

Secondly. The Codex:s are 40K+ Armies. There will be no 1K stuff. There will be no Horus Heresy rule. It is set entirely within 40K era.

By the way, where are people getting all the 1st millennium stuff? I didn't know GW did rule set that far back. Where can I get material on that?

I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Well you see, all the Chaos legions broke into warbands and therefore don't exist anymore. This is why M41 CSM don't have any Heresy equipment.

On the other hand the loyal legions broke into successor chapters that inherited their parent legion's equipment. This is why M41 SM have Heresy equipment.

Anyway most M41 CSM are recently-turned renegades from loyalist successor chapters that inherited their parent legion's equipment. And this is why M41 CSM don't have any Heresy equipment.

Exactly, Sersi

And a removal of Slaanesh from the range is some puritan Americans' agenda pushed on BOLS and just nonsense. The Khorne Bloodbound fluff sold via Warhammer Visions at magazine stores and supermarkets was so full of gore and brutality (including rape and canibalism) any content-sensitive parents would not allow this to be read by children and youths up to the age of at least 14. So GW evidently doesnt care about being kids-friendly. The Sylvaneth range comes with naked breasts, GW has no issue with releasing such models and clearly not with producing more 'nude' Slaanesh kits

 Atia wrote:

 VeteranNoob wrote:

 SicSemperTyrannis wrote:
My wallet is ready. Always wanted to start a Thousand Sons army.

Good man Mine wavering between that and Steamhead AoS duardin. But just hang in there for a few...more...weeks...

There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

You know how to make a day!

lord_blackfang a precedent has been set for three way kit builds Landraider/Landraider Crusader and Landraider Redeemer, and the Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought/Murderfang and Bjorne the Fell-Handed. So it's possible, and if we get the trio of daemonkin Codex:s, almost certain.

On a related topic I'm realy hoping for Sorcerer Dreadnought.

Warhams-77 wrote:
In addition to how dubious Natfka's anonymous rumor sources are in general, and how fishy the text is worded, why make a Chaos Space Marine Patriarch compatible with a Lord of Change? They are from different factions and GW has all the tech and staff to produce seprate kits for each one. Kairos on the other hand would be more likely and they wont make it a triple kit, will they? The era of re-using parts of models has gone with the new tech imo. They could have made a Glottkin and a GUO, but they haven't.

Because it so much profitable than stand alone kit.
There is a Bloodthirster with 3 variants and Skarbrand that is half-bloodthirster kit.
I wouldn't be surprised with the same treatment LoC/Fateweaver as default kit and Magnus as a differents box but with the sprue from first one.

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

Should have thought about that before you embraced the dark gods. A tech priest builds blessed war machines for the glory of the Imperium.

Your dark mechanicus just wants to see what happens if he puts a giant flamethrower on a mechanical dragon, or if he can make a giant mechanical dog with rotary cannons on its back.

The old traitor legions have been suffering attrition for 10,000 years, without the material support of a galaxy-spanning empire. Most of their old equipment has long since been destroyed and had to have been salvaged or replaced. Most of the Marines from the Heresy are long-dead and been replaced with sub-standard recruits created from dark arts and stolen geneseed.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

 Atia wrote:


There is nothing major for AoS coming in the next two months afaik. Bloodbowl is November and 1k sons in December.

Boo :( I know we had a good run with TGH and the Battletomes that came out after, but this lull is kinda grinding. Well, I guess it gives some time for the meta to pan out, if nothing else.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

Newer fluff actually says every black crusade was successful aside from the 12th, which only succeeded half. And they keep continuing that trend with every book. The imperium never actually wins, it only makes pyrrhic victories. The nice thing is, GW can pump out campagin books for years with primarchs, Chaos Gods, the Silent King, the Emperor himself and what not but at some point they will have to decide if they destroy the imperium or the Chaos forces. And so far Chaos seems to be in a good position with the imperium being dumb enough to kill their best hope in the form of Eldar support.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Kirasu wrote:
I find it pretty asinine that CSM don't get "heresy rules" when SM get ALL sorts of horus heresy units magically inserted into their list of usable units. If anyone should have heresy rules it's the ORIGINAL TRAITOR LEGIONS.

but whatever.. obviously GW understands their fluff differently.

Logistics. The Imperium can still build a lot of things because they have working forge worlds and old STCs.

Should have thought about that before you embraced the dark gods. A tech priest builds blessed war machines for the glory of the Imperium.

Your dark mechanicus just wants to see what happens if he puts a giant flamethrower on a mechanical dragon, or if he can make a giant mechanical dog with rotary cannons on its back.

The old traitor legions have been suffering attrition for 10,000 years, without the material support of a galaxy-spanning empire. Most of their old equipment has long since been destroyed and had to have been salvaged or replaced. Most of the Marines from the Heresy are long-dead and been replaced with sub-standard recruits created from dark arts and stolen geneseed.

I don't think people realize the basic, underlying truth of Chaos in 40K: If it was strong enough to destroy the Imperium, it would have. 12 failed Black Crusades later, you'd think people would start to get that Chaos Marines are underdogs, not an equal force to the combined might of Imperium. Bitter, vengeful remnants of once-proud legions, who fight among themselves as often as they fight anyone else. They lost the Heresy. They lost the Scouring. They ended up hiding in the Eye of Terror for a reason. Because the loyal forces kicked the crap out of them until their only choice was to run to a place where they couldn't be followed. It's called the Scouring, lol. Not the "Cursory Rinsing with Warm Water."

They emerge from their hiding places, rage and pillage for a bit, then the Imperium gets a task force organized to crush them, and the Chaos Marines are forced to run back to the Warp and hide in the Eye of Terror or the Maelstrom again.

Yup, the Vengeful Spirit.. Horus' old flagship and one of the largest vessels EVER created by the Imperium is 100% out of drop pods and that's why CSM can't use technology that all marines had access to! Makes total sense.. absolutely no ability to replace them! Rhinos? Predators? Land Raiders? No problem! But super common drop pods? Impossible!

Sounds like the kind of complaints the #2 son would make.

Besides, newer fluff doesn't make the previous Crusades successful, they simply have Abaddon moving the goal posts so he can pretend he hasn't been defeated every time by saying everything has been part of the 10,000 year long con, haha.

Abadddon doing well adopting the old Orkish proverb. If he wins, he wins. If his armies die, they die, and that don't count as defeat. If he runs for it, he gets to come back for anuvver go, see?

As far as "at some point having to decide", the game has existed for almost 30 years, and they haven't had to decide on anything. 40K isn't a story. It's a setting for players to make up their own stories. Chaos and the Imperium can fight without result indefinitely because they're not real things.

The explanation GW seems to have settled on is that Drop Pods require a more involved support network to maintain and operate than Chaos marines have. When you turn planets into hellscapes it isn't easy for the Techmarines, that have largely been infected with Obliterator virus, to bring servitors and recovery ships to collect the Drop Pods to perform the necessary maintenance with what's likely an inconsistent supply of spare parts.

CSM should have something Drop pod-ish but given the fiction is shouldn't necessarily be the Astartes Drop Pods.