7th was Age of Darkness. Warhammer is Age of Sigmar. Could this new mold of 40k be... Age of Guilliman?

With any luck, the age of 40k actually being playable for the first time since the end of 5th edition.

Some suggestions I could think of.

Warhammer 40.000; Age of Guilliman
Warhammer 40.000; Age of the Primarchs
Warhammer 40.000; Age of the Dominatus Crusade
Warhammer 40.000; A New Hope
Warhammer 40.000; The Empire Strikes Back
Warhammer 40.000; Age of the Emperor
Warhammer 40.000; Age of Chaos Ascendant
Warhammer 40.000; Age of Ultramar Ascendant
Warhammer 40.000; Age of New Heresy
Warhammer 40.000; Age of Deeper Darkness
Warhammer 40.000; Age of Culling

Age of psychic powers

Warhammer 40, 000: Age of Copy/Paste.

Age of thank God 7th is dead.
Age of we playtested all armies at the same time.

I thought about Age of the Primarchs as well =]

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Warhammer 40.000; Age of the Emperor

I've never really heard 7th (or any edition before) being called "Age of". Now I'm not saying I'm the great herald who knows of every little joke across the board, but it doesn't seem like it was a common thing to call any of the previous editions "Age of" since there wasn't really any reason to.

I have seen a lot of people referring to 8th edition as "Age of the Emperor", but with a negative connotation.

It's essentially being said as a derogatory term. There are people who feel that the game is moving away from its Warhammer 40,000 roots and it's becoming Warhammer: Age of the Emperor.

Age of two- electric boogaloo.

 Talamare wrote:

 Lord Xcapobl wrote:
Warhammer 40.000; Age of the Emperor

I've never really heard 7th (or any edition before) being called "Age of". Now I'm not saying I'm the great herald who knows of every little joke across the board, but it doesn't seem like it was a common thing to call any of the previous editions "Age of" since there wasn't really any reason to.

I have seen a lot of people referring to 8th edition as "Age of the Emperor", but with a negative connotation.

It's essentially being said as a derogatory term. There are people who feel that the game is moving away from its Warhammer 40,000 roots and it's becoming Warhammer: Age of the Emperor.

As someone who loved 5th and 6th, but couldn't stand 7th, and recently loved the AoS game system, I fully welcome the 8th as a coming back to the roots. If the name was to be Age of the Emperor, it would be a great sign. But regarding the story so far, I don't think the Emperor will have anything to do with it. The age of darkeness is set. Now dawns the age of Guilliman!

Warhammer 40K: Death of the Rules Bloat.

It makes me giggle to see so much salt over the "dumbing down of the core rules for simpletons to be able to play" when over 25 years ago, the foundation for the exact rules those same people are defending got talked about exactly the same way, it's just 95% of the current players think "way back in the day" means 5th edition at most, but more likely 6th.

Death of bloats? Nah bloat isn't going anywhere. It just changes location.

 Talamare wrote:
I have seen a lot of people referring to 8th edition as "Age of the Emperor", but with a negative connotation.

It's essentially being said as a derogatory term. There are people who feel that the game is moving away from its Warhammer 40,000 roots and it's becoming Warhammer: Age of the Emperor.

Time to break that habit of the negative connotation. I realize the Emperor will likely have very little to do with the coming edition. I do not expect the fluff to radically charge to the point where the Emperor is killed, turns out to be a perpetual, and starts his own crusade following the one from Guilliman. Nor do I expect Guilliman to somehow save the Emperor without killing him, and then detaching him from the Golden Throne to start his crusade just as well. To me, the Warhammer 40K setting has always been about that status quo, the 'one minute to midnight' feel of dread.

Likewise, to keep the tone of the thread lighthearted, I interjected not one, but two Star Wars references, which were, oddly enough, rather appropriate. There is enough negativity on the boards as is.

On to Warhammer 40.000; Age of Frivolous and Joyous Warfare.
(Insert non-offensive 'Hello Kitty' reference in Space Marines and Necrons at your leisure here.)



Cheers.

Like I said, remember that 7th edition is the 5th build of the "simpler edition for stupid people" that made people ragequit around 1998, insisting it was the beginning of a quick end for WH40k and GW.

Maybe 8th edition will​ be 40K: the Edition that makes me want to play a current edition again.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Warhammer 40K: Death of the Rules Bloat.

Mhwh ahh hahha ha ha. Ehm sure rules bloat guys will totally not be disappointingly having to look trough multiple digital tomes in an argument about unit specific special rules that are interfering with each other.

However I do hope that the whole "rules bloat" meme dies a silent death in this edition.

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I might start calling it 40: The Squiggoth age.
Since all transports are now Squiggothified : )

Warhammer 40000: Warm Blanket

Age of Emperor.
A tribute to the AoSification of 40k.

Warhammer 40k: Who knew that the fandom was this whiny and I think AOSification (Which is correct and not correct) would be great #FightMe #WoaMamaThatHeresy #GWDon'tF#$%Up 8E

Also........

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Warhammer 40k: Who knew that the fandom was this whiny and I think AOSification (Which is correct and not correct) would be great #FightMe #WoaMamaThatHeresy #GWDon'tF#$%Up 8E

Also........

Spoiler:

Killer Queen has already touched this spoiler post, Bites Za Dusto!!!!

One can say objectively that the transition from WHFB to AOS alienated a large portion of the fanbase at release.

It would make sense that some people are concerned that this major transition will do the same to 40k.

#make40kSigmarAgain

Pancakey wrote:

One can say objectively that the transition from WHFB to AOS alienated a large portion of the fanbase at release.

It would make sense that some people are concerned that this major transition will do the same to 40k.

Feelings of alienation during the release of AoS were very justified, especially due to the shoddy communication and community engagement. However, simply taking the AoS release as a snapshot in time and trying to apply it to 8th edition 40k without the context of the intervening years is a poor way of qualifying the negative rhetoric some people are throwing around. Just the amount of GW's announcements and engagement alone are a black and white difference from how they did business one year ago, let alone during the WHFB End Times and AoS. I'm not kidding myself; this is GW and they have an extremely poor record when it comes to the management of their actual game systems. However, it's pretty easy to claim improvement when things are already as bad as they can get

While I agree with you last statement, I don't think the botched release of AOS had anything to do with community engagement.

Pancakey wrote:
While I agree with you last statement, I don't think the botched release of AOS had anything to do with community engagement.

Well, they killed WHFB and replaced it with an entirely new game system pretty much out of the blue without telling anyone, and they did it with barely any consideration for what the WHFB community wanted to see in a game. AoS at its release was clearly not what a majority of people were interested in playing, especially since it didn't include a transparent system for playing balanced armies against each other! However, they have incorporated a huge amount of feedback into AoS and turned it from an object of loathing into something that is widely accepted and enjoyed. I would argue that it was exactly because they showed no interest in engagement with the player base and their desires that the release of AoS turned out so badly.

Their behavior leading up to the release of 8th edition 40k has been totally unprecedented, at least for GW. They claim to have developed the rules and unit balance based on extensive play-testing conducted by independent groups of the most involved and experienced tournament organizers and players, which means that 8th will already be based on community feedback on the first day of its release. They are revealing many of the core mechanics in advance and being transparent about the fact that this is a full reboot of the rules, as opposed to simply dropping a new game out of thin air and telling everyone to buy it or get lost. Perhaps most importantly, they claim that game will have a living rule set going into the future, and that they will fully support it with regular tweaks and adjustments just as they are doing with AoS. That alone is a far cry from their previous practice of infrequently piling ill-formed rules on top of previously shaky foundations that made the game into an ever expanding mess of bloat and power creep because they couldn't be bothered to engage in actual game design or support.

I'd say that the botched release of AoS, and the prospective failure or success of 8th edition 40k, has everything to do with community engagement.

If 7E hasn't alienated the fanbase

I hope it doesn't end up getting called The bland edition.

 loki old fart wrote:
I hope it doesn't end up getting called The bland edition.

Well, so far it certainly is the edition of blandly vague and unqualified negative comments

 Haechi wrote:
7th was Age of Darkness. Warhammer is Age of Sigmar. Could this new mold of 40k be... Age of Guilliman?

Age of Gork (no! Mork! Ow!) No question!...?

Pancakey wrote:
While I agree with you last statement, I don't think the botched release of AOS had anything to do with community engagement.

I know the other guy alreafy called you out on this one but I have to as well. The botched release of AoS is thr ONLY reason for the community engagement.

They tried to tell people want they wanted, same as they'd been doing for years and their community rebelled and the lost an absolute gak ton of money and no small amount of independent stockists because of it. It was a wake up call straight to the nads.

Everything good that's happened in GW for the pasr 2 years owes itself to the sacrifice of WHFB. Fantasy died for our sins.

Warhammer 40,000: Age of Nietzsche (God is dead edition).

 Dakka Wolf wrote:
Warhammer 40, 000: Age of Copy/Paste.

Wins thread!

Age of Bigmar.



Cuz bigmarines that's why.

Age of super Space marines

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
While I agree with you last statement, I don't think the botched release of AOS had anything to do with community engagement.

Well, they killed WHFB and replaced it with an entirely new game system pretty much out of the blue without telling anyone, and they did it with barely any consideration for what the WHFB community wanted to see in a game. AoS at its release was clearly not what a majority of people were interested in playing, especially since it didn't include a transparent system for playing balanced armies against each other! However, they have incorporated a huge amount of feedback into AoS and turned it from an object of loathing into something that is widely accepted and enjoyed. I would argue that it was exactly because they showed no interest in engagement with the player base and their desires that the release of AoS turned out so badly.

Their behavior leading up to the release of 8th edition 40k has been totally unprecedented, at least for GW. They claim to have developed the rules and unit balance based on extensive play-testing conducted by independent groups of the most involved and experienced tournament organizers and players, which means that 8th will already be based on community feedback on the first day of its release. They are revealing many of the core mechanics in advance and being transparent about the fact that this is a full reboot of the rules, as opposed to simply dropping a new game out of thin air and telling everyone to buy it or get lost. Perhaps most importantly, they claim that game will have a living rule set going into the future, and that they will fully support it with regular tweaks and adjustments just as they are doing with AoS. That alone is a far cry from their previous practice of infrequently piling ill-formed rules on top of previously shaky foundations that made the game into an ever expanding mess of bloat and power creep because they couldn't be bothered to engage in actual game design or support.

I'd say that the botched release of AoS, and the prospective failure or success of 8th edition 40k, has everything to do with community engagement.

Something that is important to note here is that GW 'claims' they did substantial playtesting. There isn't really any proof they did it.

Recently Privateer Press release Mk3 with a ton of press claiming they perfectly tested the game for years. Yet on day 1 there was 100s of posts about broken rules on their forum. They basically needed to almost immediately release a FAQ with more changes in it than there has been for the entirety of Mk2's life. Then when the first tournament happened, it became PAINFULLY obvious that the game was poorly tested. There were a ton of broken overpowered lists and basically dominated the scene. This is ignoring the Skorne fiasco in which Skorne players realized that their previously low to mid tier faction received an insane amount of nerfs and nearly no buffs. As expected Skorne was so bad that a developer even slipped up and said that Skorne wasn't really playtested. Which combined with the new releases of the time that were also insanely overpowered began the "Nothing was playtested" meme.

This all happened to Privateer Press a company that previously was known as probably the best miniature company around since they had great PR and a great ruleset. After this event their reputation has been shattered.

When you parallel that to GW a company who has had a pretty poor reputation for a long time, it's only natural that the skepticism is dialed to 11.

 Talamare wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
While I agree with you last statement, I don't think the botched release of AOS had anything to do with community engagement.

Well, they killed WHFB and replaced it with an entirely new game system pretty much out of the blue without telling anyone, and they did it with barely any consideration for what the WHFB community wanted to see in a game. AoS at its release was clearly not what a majority of people were interested in playing, especially since it didn't include a transparent system for playing balanced armies against each other! However, they have incorporated a huge amount of feedback into AoS and turned it from an object of loathing into something that is widely accepted and enjoyed. I would argue that it was exactly because they showed no interest in engagement with the player base and their desires that the release of AoS turned out so badly.

Their behavior leading up to the release of 8th edition 40k has been totally unprecedented, at least for GW. They claim to have developed the rules and unit balance based on extensive play-testing conducted by independent groups of the most involved and experienced tournament organizers and players, which means that 8th will already be based on community feedback on the first day of its release. They are revealing many of the core mechanics in advance and being transparent about the fact that this is a full reboot of the rules, as opposed to simply dropping a new game out of thin air and telling everyone to buy it or get lost. Perhaps most importantly, they claim that game will have a living rule set going into the future, and that they will fully support it with regular tweaks and adjustments just as they are doing with AoS. That alone is a far cry from their previous practice of infrequently piling ill-formed rules on top of previously shaky foundations that made the game into an ever expanding mess of bloat and power creep because they couldn't be bothered to engage in actual game design or support.

I'd say that the botched release of AoS, and the prospective failure or success of 8th edition 40k, has everything to do with community engagement.

Something that is important to note here is that GW 'claims' they did substantial playtesting. There isn't really any proof they did it.

Recently Privateer Press release Mk3 with a ton of press claiming they perfectly tested the game for years. Yet on day 1 there was 100s of posts about broken rules on their forum. They basically needed to almost immediately release a FAQ with more changes in it than there has been for the entirety of Mk2's life. Then when the first tournament happened, it became PAINFULLY obvious that the game was poorly tested. There were a ton of broken overpowered lists and basically dominated the scene. This is ignoring the Skorne fiasco in which Skorne players realized that their previously low to mid tier faction received an insane amount of nerfs and nearly no buffs. As expected Skorne was so bad that a developer even slipped up and said that Skorne wasn't really playtested. Which combined with the new releases of the time that were also insanely overpowered began the "Nothing was playtested" meme.

This all happened to Privateer Press a company that previously was known as probably the best miniature company around since they had great PR and a great ruleset. After this event their reputation has been shattered.

When you parallel that to GW a company who has had a pretty poor reputation for a long time, it's only natural that the skepticism is dialed to 11.

Roll reversal.
PP have a head fool who thinks people are stupid
GW have a head guy who is finally paying attention to the customers.

Give it another decade or so and it will probably go back to the way you remember.

Age of the more things change, the more they stay the same

Warhammer 40k: The Age of Chaos Being Relevant Again - and a nice cup of tea.

Alternatively - WH40K: Abaddon wins his Arms (and don't start griefing the meme thing!)

Warhammer 40,000: the Simplifying...

40k ~ WarHammer of Sigmar

Clunk Hammer 1.0 - Age of Exception

Pancakey wrote:
Clunk Hammer 1.0 - Age of Exception

You haven't been playing this game for very long, have you?

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
Clunk Hammer 1.0 - Age of Exception

You haven't been playing this game for very long, have you?

Nice one!

Formations are what ruined 7th.

8th is already looking clunky and weve only had a sneak peaks!

By GWs admission this the "WE got EVERYTHING right edition!" (eventhough they crowd source their rules now)

I like how you evaded my question, but formations aren't what ruined 7th. Formations were a half-baked attempt at balancing a game that was already inherently difficult to balance and granulate.

Also, crowd sourcing their rules is probably one of the smartest things GW could have done, because they're not all that good at writing them on their own.

Warhammer 40,000: About time!

 Luciferian wrote:
I like how you evaded my question, but formations aren't what ruined 7th. Formations were a half-baked attempt at balancing a game that was already inherently difficult to balance and granulate.

Also, crowd sourcing their rules is probably one of the smartest things GW could have done, because they're not all that good at writing them on their own.

I evade all silly questions on 6+!

And crowd sourcing rules is not what you do when you have in house designers. It reeks of desperation!

Pancakey wrote:


I evade all silly questions on 6+!

And crowd sourcing rules is not what you do when you have in house designers. It reeks of desperation!

GW doesn't have game designers anymore, they have an in-house marketing team whose goal it is to sell models. Something they've openly admitted in the recent past. At this point I don't really need you to tell me how long you've been paying attention to 40k because it's transparent that you're relatively new and you're just having fun jumping on some kind of "OG 7th edition 4 lyfe" bandwagon.

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:


I evade all silly questions on 6+!

And crowd sourcing rules is not what you do when you have in house designers. It reeks of desperation!

GW doesn't have game designers anymore, they have an in-house marketing team whose goal it is to sell models. Something they've openly admitted in the recent past. At this point I don't really need you to tell me how long you've been paying attention to 40k because it's transparent that you're relatively new and you're just having fun jumping on some kind of "OG 7th edition 4 lyfe" bandwagon.

Ok. Ok. Since its been reduced to personal attacks I will bite. The first edition I played of 40k was rogue trader. Does that give me enough forum unicorn points to have an opinion now?

Pancakey wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:
Clunk Hammer 1.0 - Age of Exception

You haven't been playing this game for very long, have you?

Nice one!

Formations are what ruined 7th.

8th is already looking clunky and weve only had a sneak peaks!

By GWs admission this the "WE got EVERYTHING right edition!" (eventhough they crowd source their rules now)

Miscosted units ruined it, not formations. Formations of miscosted units were busted because the units were miscosted to begin with. No one is complaining about a riptide wing of 300 pt riptides.

Warhammer 40,000: Indiana Gulliman and The Last Crusade

Pancakey wrote:


Ok. Ok. Since its been reduced to personal attacks I will bite. The first edition I played of 40k was rogue trader. Does that give me enough forum unicorn points to have an opinion now?

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:


Ok. Ok. Since its been reduced to personal attacks I will bite. The first edition I played of 40k was rogue trader. Does that give me enough forum unicorn points to have an opinion now?

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

Believe.

I don't think I called 8th "unwieldy".

In my opinion , formations are what really hurt 7th. Remove them all and a lot of the bloat is gone. So I guess we agree that's one thing that they got right going foward.

But lets be honest, we all knew deep down inside that formations were so out of whack that the only solution was to completely remove them from the game. (Sorry bros who spent $1000s on formation armies - love GW)

Pancakey wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:


Ok. Ok. Since its been reduced to personal attacks I will bite. The first edition I played of 40k was rogue trader. Does that give me enough forum unicorn points to have an opinion now?

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

Believe.

I don't think I called 8th "unwieldy".

In my opinion , formations are what really hurt 7th. Remove them all and a lot of the bloat is gone. So I guess we agree that's one thing that they got right going foward.

But lets be honest, we all knew deep down inside that formations were so out of whack that the only solution was to completely remove them from the game. (Sorry bros who spent $1000s on formation armies - love GW)

It wasn't formations, the basic rules of 6th and 7th were all bloat. That needs to be trimmed before they even get into things like the Force Organization Chart and Formations. Hell, LoS was and is a pain.

 jreilly89 wrote:


It wasn't formations, the basic rules of 6th and 7th were all bloat. That needs to be trimmed before they even get into things like the Force Organization Chart and Formations. Hell, LoS was and is a pain.

Yep, formations were bad, but they were the house built on the rotten foundation laid by the core rules.

Pancakey wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

Pancakey wrote:


Ok. Ok. Since its been reduced to personal attacks I will bite. The first edition I played of 40k was rogue trader. Does that give me enough forum unicorn points to have an opinion now?

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

Believe.

I don't think I called 8th "unwieldy".

In my opinion , formations are what really hurt 7th. Remove them all and a lot of the bloat is gone. So I guess we agree that's one thing that they got right going foward.

But lets be honest, we all knew deep down inside that formations were so out of whack that the only solution was to completely remove them from the game. (Sorry bros who spent $1000s on formation armies - love GW)

It wasn't formations. It was miscosted units in those formations.

40k 8th edition "we are the the new GW so you can trust us "

 timetowaste85 wrote:
Age of thank God 7th is dead.
Age of we playtested all armies at the same time.

I was going to go with age of guilliman, as unoriginal as it is, but I like something along the lines of "age of we actually playtested this time".

N40K Then?

or Ultrahammer 40K..

 Luciferian wrote:

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

I've been playing 40K since early 2nd edition... and I think 8th edition is looking needlessly clunky,

Sure, they've simplified the core rules... but they've balanced that out by making every unit a special snowflake and removing USRs. Learning this edition is going to be a nightmare... because we're still looking at those '100 pages of special rules and exceptions'. The only difference is that they'll be on unit cards instead of in the core rules. Same problem, just relocated.

40k: Age Of Off Topic

41k: In The Noblebright Future Of The 42nd Millennium There Is Only Space Marines
40k: Time Of Unending
30k: Without The Forgeworld Prices
0k: The Gullimen Calendar
Warhammer: Unglued 2: 40k

Age of SigWAAAAAGH!

Warhammer 40k : A Galaxy Divided

Age of Aquarius?
Age of Alpharius!

 insaniak wrote:

I've been playing 40K since early 2nd edition... and I think 8th edition is looking needlessly clunky,

Sure, they've simplified the core rules... but they've balanced that out by making every unit a special snowflake and removing USRs. Learning this edition is going to be a nightmare... because we're still looking at those '100 pages of special rules and exceptions'. The only difference is that they'll be on unit cards instead of in the core rules. Same problem, just relocated.

I think this sums it up pretty well!

Warhammer 40Smug

I believe both Guilliman and WH40K FB Guy have made Smug cool again. And don't forget Cato is the new Sigillite and presumably a Lord of Terra.

Warhammer 40K A Space Colostomy.

Pancakey wrote:
Clunk Hammer 1.0 - Age of Exception

Do you mean chunk hammer?
From machine learning?

8th will be the NERD Edition, as in

'Never Enough Rolled Dice".

Please "Dawn of the Imperium", mainly because of the crazy forum posts that will follow.

Age of Sideway Drift

Warhammer 40k: Age of Dakka.

So far, there's a lot of it.

#MVGA

Make Vehicles Great Again

NuHammer 40K
40K: Rebouted (see what I did there? )
40K: Age of Girlyman
40K: A Universe Divided
40K: Band of Brothers

Age of loota's.

Ever wanted a 2 wound loota. Every army has them now it is even possible now to field 12+ wound loota's. This truely is the age of loota's : )

The end of mele Times

 Genestealer Jesse wrote:

Warhammer 40K A Space Colostomy.

In space ... no one can hear you poop into a bag.

Warhammer 40k-OS

Maybe they'll call it 4th Edition.

 insaniak wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

I can't believe you. Saying that 8th seems unwieldy compared to any one of several previous editions, including 7th, is just not something that anyone who had experience with previous editions of 40k would be able to bring themselves to do. Especially when the main complaint of 8th's detractors is that it is being streamlined or "dumbed-down" a la AoS. We're talking about 100 pages of special rules and exceptions compared to 14 pages of rules in their entirety.

I've been playing 40K since early 2nd edition... and I think 8th edition is looking needlessly clunky,

Sure, they've simplified the core rules... but they've balanced that out by making every unit a special snowflake and removing USRs. Learning this edition is going to be a nightmare... because we're still looking at those '100 pages of special rules and exceptions'. The only difference is that they'll be on unit cards instead of in the core rules. Same problem, just relocated.

A game with this many different units is going to have this issue no matter what. Unless you want early 3rd, because that's how you get early third.

Shouldn't it become Warhammer 41,000 at some point? Like the timeline was in stasis at M41.999999 for the longest time, and according to the IG Codex, was when Abaddon began his latest attack on Cadia. Don't have a clue if the GS books differ/retconned, but it's really time to move to progress not just in the story, but along the timeline as well. Therefore 41k. It's like a 401k, except nerdier and you lose money instead of save it.

Alternatively, Warhammer 40,002: Heretic(al) Boogaloo

 KommissarKiln wrote:
Shouldn't it become Warhammer 41,000 at some point? Like the timeline was in stasis at M41.999999 for the longest time, and according to the IG Codex, was when Abaddon began his latest attack on Cadia. Don't have a clue if the GS books differ/retconned, but it's really time to move to progress not just in the story, but along the timeline as well. Therefore 41k. It's like a 401k, except nerdier and you lose money instead of save it.

Alternatively, Warhammer 40,002: Heretic(al) Boogaloo

As long as there's a 4 in the front it's still technically valid to call it 40k.

'We round bro.' '45001?' 'Truncate bra.'


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Pancakey wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

I've been playing 40K since early 2nd edition... and I think 8th edition is looking needlessly clunky,

Sure, they've simplified the core rules... but they've balanced that out by making every unit a special snowflake and removing USRs. Learning this edition is going to be a nightmare... because we're still looking at those '100 pages of special rules and exceptions'. The only difference is that they'll be on unit cards instead of in the core rules. Same problem, just relocated.

I think this sums it up pretty well!

Of course YOU do.

Warhammer 40K: We Thought We Fixed That
Warhammer 40K: The Buckets of Dice Version
Warhammer 40K: Vehicles Are Better, Honestly!

Honestly, I feel GW made the same mistakes with AoS that Wizards did with 4E - they destroyed the fluff AND redid the rules all in one fell sweep, which alienated a lot of people from both ends of the spectrum (those following the game for the background, those in the game for the rules).

40K is now getting the revamped rules and changing everything under the hood, but the story is only getting minor changes overall (sort of like 5E D&D).

However, from my experience of watching many other game systems that have shifted to entirely new rulesets - some that were successful, some that weren't - my sense of what I see tells me about six months from now, the same complaints will still be heard across the boards that we've heard before. You need 3+ books for X army. My book is out of date. Vehicles suck. Eldar are OP. Deathstars - as far as the eye can see. Etc.

Age of Sigmar in spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaace!

Age of tzeentch

Destroyed fluff.... how?

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Destroyed fluff.... how?

What, in AoS? They nuked the planet and destroyed all semblance of space and time. AoS army books' lore sections are wall-to-wall buzzwords with no actual information in them.

 NenkotaMoon wrote:
Destroyed fluff.... how?

4e D&D came up with a new, not especially well defined setting. That wasn't a tremendous problem, since D&D has many, many settings (Greyhawk, Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, Spelljammer, Mystara, Points of Light, and that's just off the top of my head), but it was new fluff. Then they really bent Forgotten Realms into an odd shape to make it fit with 4e, since FR was one of the "crunchiest" D&D settings, in the sense that the fluff there was in many ways intimately tied to the crunch. Folks didn't like that very much, to put it mildly.

Unrelatedly - I think GW's big mistake with AoS was that the initial release was downright skeletal. They didn't release a game system, they released the bare skeleton of one. That skeleton has since been built up into something that works pretty well, but that initial release was incomplete. Combine that with the destruction of a much-beloved setting (even if they had written themselves into a corner), and people were bound to be cheesed off.

Warhammer 40,000: Primaris Edition

Warhammer 40K: The Warp Awakens
Warhammer 40K: Indomitus
Warhammer 40K: Return of the Primarchs
Warhammer 40K: Age of Heroes
Warhammer 40K: Dark Imperium
Warhammer 40K: A Galaxy Divided
Warhammer 40K: The Good, the Bad, and the Heretic

Please, we need to call the new marines Spacecasts.

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Please, we need to call the new marines Spacecasts.

Stormcast are already ground marines. Primaris are Chad marines.

Warhammer 40k We Decided To Actually Write Good Rules

 Luciferian wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Please, we need to call the new marines Spacecasts.

Stormcast are already ground marines. Primaris are Chav marines.

 loki old fart wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Please, we need to call the new marines Spacecasts.

Stormcast are already ground marines. Primaris are Chav marines.

Yeah, but if Stormcast Eternals+Space Marines already made SIGMARINES, then we need to use the left over parts. So logically, we get Spacecasts. Or, alternately and sticking with the Sigmar/guiliman theme, we could have Gullycasts.

 Luciferian wrote:

 EmberlordofFire8 wrote:
Please, we need to call the new marines Spacecasts.

Stormcast are already ground marines. Primaris are Chad marines.

Were did this name originate?

I'm sticking with Warhammer 40,000: Gauss Edition. Or possibly Age of Gauss.

Since everything's Gauss (wounds any target on 6s, regardless of T/AV) now.

Warhammer 40k: we can't believe you fell for the last fifteen years of trolling you, so here's a real ruleset for putting up with all that stanky garbage

Wardhammer 400,000: Spiritual Liege

Warhammer 40,000: Age of Odd Numbers (All the 3+ and 5+ to wound, transport passengers die on 1s)

Time then, to get that 7+ in there (by means of a 6, followed by an additional roll to add to that 6).

Gorkamorka 2: Roadkill Boogaloo

Age of Siguillimar 40,000