From what I can see the indexes are:
Imperium 1- space marines, blood angels, dark angels, space wolves, grey knights, deathwatch, legion of the damned
Imperium 2- Astra Militarum, Ad mech, Imperial knights, imperial agents, talons of the Emperor
Chaos- heretic astarties, chaos daemons, questor traitoris (I think)
Xenos 1- craftworlds, new dark eldar name, eldar with the Y name, harlequins, necrons
Xenos 2-orks, t'au, tyranids, gene cults
Not a massive fan of the jump pack Primaris Marines but the Deathguard stuff looks pretty good. Could be quite an expensive box though, I guess.
Also, is this the first confirmation we've had that Tactical Objectives are still in the game? I can't remember them saying that elsewhere.
I hope the 5 Index books are logically divided up, especially on the Imperial side. I'd hate to have to buy both just to play 2 different types of Space Marines.
Slipspace wrote: Not a massive fan of the jump pack Primaris Marines but the Deathguard stuff looks pretty good. Could be quite an expensive box though, I guess.
Also, is this the first confirmation we've had that Tactical Objectives are still in the game? I can't remember them saying that elsewhere.
I hope the 5 Index books are logically divided up, especially on the Imperial side. I'd hate to have to buy both just to play 2 different types of Space Marines.
You can enlarge that pic on the community side. All SM are in one book, all other imperial factions in the other.
Slipspace wrote: Not a massive fan of the jump pack Primaris Marines but the Deathguard stuff looks pretty good. Could be quite an expensive box though, I guess.
Also, is this the first confirmation we've had that Tactical Objectives are still in the game? I can't remember them saying that elsewhere.
I hope the 5 Index books are logically divided up, especially on the Imperial side. I'd hate to have to buy both just to play 2 different types of Space Marines.
Zoom in on the pictures. You can see who is in what book on the bottom of the cover.
Lance845 wrote: Interested in hearing what these command dice are. What are those top 8ish dice? Odd symbols on them... interesting.
I'm guessing symbols for the different Command options to place beside a unit?
Well like... one looks like a mortar. One a drop pod. I see feet running, and also feet running in 3 directions?
Yeah.
Drop Pod = Deepstrike / can't move this round?
Feet running = advancing/run?
3 Feet running = Falling back?
Half Marine helmet = not moved and in cover? +2 Save
Bomb = ??
Slipspace wrote: Not a massive fan of the jump pack Primaris Marines but the Deathguard stuff looks pretty good. Could be quite an expensive box though, I guess.
Also, is this the first confirmation we've had that Tactical Objectives are still in the game? I can't remember them saying that elsewhere.
I hope the 5 Index books are logically divided up, especially on the Imperial side. I'd hate to have to buy both just to play 2 different types of Space Marines.
Zoom in on the pictures. You can see who is in what book on the bottom of the cover.
So... Legion of the Banner = new Primaris only army?
Slipspace wrote: Not a massive fan of the jump pack Primaris Marines but the Deathguard stuff looks pretty good. Could be quite an expensive box though, I guess.
Also, is this the first confirmation we've had that Tactical Objectives are still in the game? I can't remember them saying that elsewhere.
I hope the 5 Index books are logically divided up, especially on the Imperial side. I'd hate to have to buy both just to play 2 different types of Space Marines.
Zoom in on the pictures. You can see who is in what book on the bottom of the cover.
So... Legion of the Banner = new Primaris only army?
Legion of the Damned. Not banner. Also Imperium book 2 lists Adeptus Mechanicus. I would say thats confirmation that Skitari have been folded into the main army.
Huh? I thought the 'Dark Imperium' was the side cut off from the Astronomican... So why does a book titled 'Dark Imperium' feature Guilliman and the Smurfs?
Poly Ranger wrote: Huh? I thought the 'Dark Imperium' was the side cut off from the Astronomican... So why does a book titled 'Dark Imperium' feature Guilliman and the Smurfs?
Agree. I figured a "Dark Imperium" box set would be Blood Angles vs Nids.
Poly Ranger wrote: Huh? I thought the 'Dark Imperium' was the side cut off from the Astronomican... So why does a book titled 'Dark Imperium' feature Guilliman and the Smurfs?
Could be a strike team hitting the other side of the great rift.
Poly Ranger wrote: Huh? I thought the 'Dark Imperium' was the side cut off from the Astronomican... So why does a book titled 'Dark Imperium' feature Guilliman and the Smurfs?
Agree. I figured a "Dark Imperium" box set would be Blood Angles vs Nids.
I have to say though - I am really looking forward to hearing about the state of the half of the Imperium cut off from Terra. It gives GW a way to have a bit of brightness in Guilliman (plus whatever other Primarch joins him) running a successful enough crusade whilst making the other side more Grimdark than we've ever seen just to counter it. Then players that complain about 'too much Grimdark' and players who complain about 'imperium plot armour' BOTH get a bone thrown to them :-)
Poly Ranger wrote: Huh? I thought the 'Dark Imperium' was the side cut off from the Astronomican... So why does a book titled 'Dark Imperium' feature Guilliman and the Smurfs?
Could be a strike team hitting the other side of the great rift.
I wonder if the faction list for each book is exhaustive.
It confirms that all Eldar factions still exist as their own, but Militarum Tempestus and KDK seem to have disappeared.
All the Eldar in one book is exactly what I was looking for. Will be getting that one, possibly even before the main rules. Shame there's no pricing yet.
The new models all look great, as do those objective markers. Hopefully some other armies get some new models to keep them in the forefront as well. I'm a little concerned we'll be seeing months of Primaris and maybe a couple of additional Death Guard guys.
Really like the sound of what's included in the Rulebook. Three Ways To Play sounds like an understatement, with the Death From Above and Apocalypse rules in the main book too. Nice to see all this condensation of the roughly 8700 books I was faced with when considering re-entering the hobby earlier this year.
fresus wrote: I wonder if the faction list for each book is exhaustive.
It confirms that all Eldar factions still exist as their own, but Militarum Tempestus and KDK seem to have disappeared.
MT where just a glorified AM elites list. KDK was just a glorified CSM/Demons ally list. hopefully they're not listed as independant factions because it's not nesscary.
on another ntoe, is it just my imagination or is the Primaris Captain wearing what looks like a psykic hood?
fresus wrote: I wonder if the faction list for each book is exhaustive.
It confirms that all Eldar factions still exist as their own, but Militarum Tempestus and KDK seem to have disappeared.
MT where just a glorified AM elites list. KDK was just a glorified CSM/Demons ally list. hopefully they're not listed as independant factions because it's not nesscary.
Note though, that we're missing things like Black Templars, White Scars and Imperial Fists, while gaining the sh*tshow that is the legion of the damned. PUT FLAMES ON IT, IT'S BADASS!
on another ntoe, is it just my imagination or is the Primaris Captain wearing what looks like a psykic hood?
Spoiler:
I would have said "yep, that is clearly a psychic hood" and I still think so, but those jetpack buggerers also have something that looks like psychic hoods that makes me say that there is a small chance it's just a design choice.
fresus wrote: I wonder if the faction list for each book is exhaustive.
It confirms that all Eldar factions still exist as their own, but Militarum Tempestus and KDK seem to have disappeared.
MT where just a glorified AM elites list. KDK was just a glorified CSM/Demons ally list. hopefully they're not listed as independant factions because it's not nesscary.
Note though, that we're missing things like Black Templars, White Scars and Imperial Fists, while gaining the sh*tshow that is the legion of the damned. PUT FLAMES ON IT, IT'S BADASS!
on another ntoe, is it just my imagination or is the Primaris Captain wearing what looks like a psykic hood?
Spoiler:
I would have said "yep, that is clearly a psychic hood" and I still think so, but those jetpack buggerers also have something that looks like psychic hoods that makes me say that there is a small chance it's just a design choice.
the jet pack guys armor for the moment I am saying thats our mk 9 armor.
My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Novelist47 wrote: My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Thoughts?
someone on the rumors forum says retailers are being told 125 british pounds.
Novelist47 wrote: My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Thoughts?
someone on the rumors forum says retailers are being told 125 british pounds.
100£, 125€ is what I think.
Garion wrote: Starter set retail price is 125€. Confirmed by an online shop
Novelist47 wrote: My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Thoughts?
someone on the rumors forum says retailers are being told 125 british pounds.
$220 AUD for this starer set is a load of crap for me.
Don't get me wrong about this actual starter set. I love the models and I think they alone would warrant paying that kinda money. But now I know that at least 50 of that is going to that rulebook, bringing the starter set down to 170. I'd really rather pay for the 280 rulebook separately, now I gotta waste cash on something I don't need.
Novelist47 wrote: My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Thoughts?
someone on the rumors forum says retailers are being told 125 british pounds.
100£, 125€ is what I think.
Garion wrote: Starter set retail price is 125€. Confirmed by an online shop
ahh 100 pounds is a tinsy bit better, proably be 192 bucks Canadian or so
Novelist47 wrote: My first question is, how much will all of this cost?
I'm not happy that the actual 280 page rule book is bundled up in the starter set. It should've been a small, thin and efficient rulebook-lite like the past editions. Now they have good reason to drive up the starter set price.
I think this starter set will be more than $200 AUD, (Dark Vengeance is only 165 AUD on the website), and I got Assult on Black Reach for 150 AUD.
The rulebook alone might be easily $80 AUD +, I do not want to pay for that in the starter set.
Thoughts?
someone on the rumors forum says retailers are being told 125 british pounds.
$220 AUD for this starer set is a load of crap for me.
Don't get me wrong about this actual starter set. I love the models and I think they alone would warrant paying that kinda money. But now I know that at least 50 of that is going to that rulebook, bringing the starter set down to 170. I'd really rather pay for the 280 rulebook separately, now I gotta waste cash on something I don't need.
yeah in cluding a ahrd cover rule book with the set is a tad.. odd. especially as with the rules being as light as they are they coulda proably gone el chepo on em
yeah in cluding a ahrd cover rule book with the set is a tad.. odd. especially as with the rules being as light as they are they coulda proably gone el chepo on em
I honestly think GW is going for another cash grab. They know customers are going to have to buy this anyway, and they're milking every last drop out of us.
"Make it a big book and charge them more, they'll whine and moan, but they'll still pay."
New Index Books!
Rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books.
The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
Head over to the Warhammer Community site for more details on the rest of the Forge World range.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
yeah in cluding a ahrd cover rule book with the set is a tad.. odd. especially as with the rules being as light as they are they coulda proably gone el chepo on em
I honestly think GW is going for another cash grab. They know customers are going to have to buy this anyway, and they're milking every last drop out of us.
"Make it a big book and charge them more, they'll whine and moan, but they'll still pay."
I dunno, a lotta people might skip it due to that. I mean I think they're banking on "new type of space marine, everyone'll want it" (they're proably right) but..
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
GW book pricing level has gone back to sane ones it seems.
Interesting, the Dark Imperium starter set is only 125€, 190 AUD. That's honestly quite cheap imo. The 280 page rulebook is 45€ (68 AUD), meaning that the actual starter set is only 85€, $122 AUD. That is surprisingly cheap for a starter set, now I'm wondering how well made the sprues and everything are.
Either way, customers are still potentially saving up to 60 AUD if GW opted for a rulebook-lite version in the starter set. I do recognise that they're giving us a good deal, a lot cheap than my first estimations, they still forcing onto customers a product we might not want.
New Index Books!
Rules for the extensive Warhammer 40,000 Forge World range will be made available in a series of Index books.
The first two of these will be available alongside the new edition of Warhammer 40,000, available to pre-order on the 3rd of June. These first two books will cover the forces of the Adeptus Astartes and their traitorous kin.
Head over to the Warhammer Community site for more details on the rest of the Forge World range.
Automatically Appended Next Post: So great. Still separate books for FW models.
Yeah, I saw the warhammer community post about that, very glad about that. I always liked where FW took the game.
Renegades and Heretics, and the Ork units they introduced were things I heavily based my armies on. I was very concerned about the fate of those units, I'm glad they eased my anxiety. GW did a good job on that front, wish they did a good job on all fronts though.
Yeah, I saw the warhammer community post about that, very glad about that. I always liked where FW took the game.
Renegades and Heretics, and the Ork units they introduced were things I heavily based my armies on. I was very concerned about the fate of those units, I'm glad they eased my anxiety. GW did a good job on that front, wish they did a good job on all fronts though.
What they should have done is included the rules for FW models in the base index/codexs. This having to purchase multiple books to play a single army is nonsense. This was a prime chance to fix that.
Rippy wrote: As much as I agree with you Lance, that was never going to happen.
not unless forge world started being carried in local GW stores, which according to my local GW manager would be a logistical problem because FW would proably not be able to keep up with demand.
Rippy wrote: As much as I agree with you Lance, that was never going to happen.
I also agree. FW was always a seperate entity from GW, they might have been owned by the same people, but they were very distinct and seperate groups.
As much as I would've preferred it all being in the xeno book, all the content they would put for the orks alone originating from the FW book would mean a 3rd xeno book. Having an Imperial Armour about orks is much the same as a 3rd xeno book, or a very big ork codex to me.
Rippy wrote: As much as I agree with you Lance, that was never going to happen.
I also agree. FW was always a seperate entity from GW, they might have been owned by the same people, but they were very distinct and seperate groups.
As much as I would've preferred it all being in the xeno book, all the content they would put for the orks alone originating from the FW book would mean a 3rd xeno book. Having an Imperial Armour about orks is much the same as a 3rd xeno book, or a very big ork codex to me.
Sure, but Nids is the malanthrope, a new type of spore mine, 2 heirodules, and a bio titan. Necrons get 2 maybe 3 characters, a vehicle, and some pylons.
Rippy wrote: As much as I agree with you Lance, that was never going to happen.
I also agree. FW was always a seperate entity from GW, they might have been owned by the same people, but they were very distinct and seperate groups.
As much as I would've preferred it all being in the xeno book, all the content they would put for the orks alone originating from the FW book would mean a 3rd xeno book. Having an Imperial Armour about orks is much the same as a 3rd xeno book, or a very big ork codex to me.
Sure, but Nids is the malanthrope, a new type of spore mine, 2 heirodules, and a bio titan. Necrons get 2 maybe 3 characters, a vehicle, and some pylons.
How big of a book is that going to be?
I'm not so knowledgeable on the other Imperiaum Armour stuff. Orks, and Heretics and Renegades were quite meaty entries. I guess with those smaller entries, I think the best bet would be to petition for free online pdf versions. The ideal solution would be to merge it all into the codex within those situations, but of course that's not going to happen.
Rippy wrote: As much as I agree with you Lance, that was never going to happen.
I also agree. FW was always a seperate entity from GW, they might have been owned by the same people, but they were very distinct and seperate groups.
As much as I would've preferred it all being in the xeno book, all the content they would put for the orks alone originating from the FW book would mean a 3rd xeno book. Having an Imperial Armour about orks is much the same as a 3rd xeno book, or a very big ork codex to me.
Sure, but Nids is the malanthrope, a new type of spore mine, 2 heirodules, and a bio titan. Necrons get 2 maybe 3 characters, a vehicle, and some pylons.
How big of a book is that going to be?
Well likely one book will have several aliens much like GW proper books have.
SolidOakie wrote: What is Questor Tratoris (listed on the chaos codex)? Is it traitor guard? Please God be traitor guard
Traitor Knights.
Traitor knights and no traitor guard? I hope they are included. How could traitor guard be left out?
They will be in the Forge World books, confirmed by Facebook posts.
Yupp, currently Imperial Armour 11 (could be another one, but I think its 11) focuses on the Renegade and Heretics list. Basically evil IG, with a big chaos spin. GW has announce Forces of Chaos Imperial Armour FW book. Renegades and Heretics will probably be in that one. If its not, GW has announced that more will come.
Just remember us ad mech and tau players who have been promised an IA book for over 18 months now and still have no idea when it's gonna show up ... i want my big robots damn it.
Darkmind wrote: Hope they didn't forget about us renegade guard/lost and the damned players. I really don't want to use IG stats.
I have been amassing an army of models for my renegade army. Defiance games USMC, wargames factory great coats, maelstrom's edge contractors, dreamforge guys, mantic pathfinders, imperial guards, warhammer fantasy state troops, and skitarii. My army will be glorious.
Kataklysmic wrote: Just remember us ad mech and tau players who have been promised an IA book for over 18 months now and still have no idea when it's gonna show up ... i want my big robots damn it.
Yes, it's ridiculous, but I'm glad that it didn't release and was invalidated 2 months later.
Also, it's been 12 months and 13 days, not 18 months.
Darkmind wrote: Hope they didn't forget about us renegade guard/lost and the damned players. I really don't want to use IG stats.
I have been amassing an army of models for my renegade army. Defiance games USMC, wargames factory great coats, maelstrom's edge contractors, dreamforge guys, mantic pathfinders, imperial guards, warhammer fantasy state troops, and skitarii. My army will be glorious.
Darkmind wrote: Hope they didn't forget about us renegade guard/lost and the damned players. I really don't want to use IG stats.
I have been amassing an army of models for my renegade army. Defiance games USMC, wargames factory great coats, maelstrom's edge contractors, dreamforge guys, mantic pathfinders, imperial guards, warhammer fantasy state troops, and skitarii. My army will be glorious.
how... how much is painted? o.o
None so far, I'm still waiting for my maelstrom's edge contractors and a lot of bits. 10 guards are 40 bucks where I'm at, with 80 bucks i can fully kit out 20 dudes, have 20 more partially incomplete, have a bunch of bits, and the end model would look a lot cooler than your average guardsmen.
Dark Imperium boxset 125€
Index book 20€ each
Warhammer 40.000 book 45€
Tactical Objectives 10€
Command Dice 15€
Sector Imperialis Objectives 25€
Combat Gauge 8€
Wound Trackers 10€
GW book pricing level has gone back to sane ones it seems.
I hope this is true. So i only have to spent 45+20+20 € to get all the rules i need and the new background. But i will probably get the Tactical Objectives and Wound Trackers. Not sure about the Command Dice if those are really handy but it depends on the rules.
This looks great, only bummer is that I have to buy all 5 index books due to the armies I have. Necrons being in with the Eldar armies and not the other xenos book is a bit of an odd choice to me.
I'm hoping these are around $30 in freedom dollars.
Prices in the UK could be even more competitive. My local store has said the RRP will be £95 at launch (on top of which they will apply their usual 20% discount) which is pretty good value considering what comes in the box.
Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.
I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.
In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US
While I'm working on a Death Guard force for 2nd ed, I had hopes some of the new models would be good for part-bashing. The Death Guard are so incredibly, wildly over-the-top, I won't be using any of them. That's a shame as I was really quite excited about the prospect. I quite like the look of the Space Marine models even if the fluff behind them is a bit crap. The jump fellas look neat, minus the silly shielded bolters.
The books and selection - eh? If I ever do run my own Death Guard-esque force in 40K I'd need the Death Guard book ---- so I hope that's included in the actual Chaos index (though I imagine the indexes from extraneous starter boxes will be available on eBay).
I'm a bit meh on the large tome rulebook, as that's neat for fluff/reading/excitement, but crap for taking to game night - so I hope the "free" rules are printable and enough to cover gaming night use. The indexes seem neat, but I'd be pissed if proper faction books are launched in a month or two and you ended up wasting your money on the indexes.
The tactical objective cards aren't a good thing for me...I've actually played 7th a few times now (just to push models around) and really dislike the random drunken commander card-driven game play. That's incredibly weak sauce to me, and it looks like that'll probably be popular again with most folks.
So, at the moment - I'm okay with most of the stuff, but very let down by the Death Guard. It seems I can download the free rules, buy an Eldar index and be able to play right off the bat - which I hope is the case. Pick up the big rulebook later for fun.
I'm thinking picking up the boxset, parting out the contents for bitz sales, and keeping the accessories. The only models in there that I actually like are the plasma guns.
Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.
the_scotsman wrote: Ynnari, a faction with a grand total of exactly three models, gets on the cover of one of the three books.
Adepta Sororitas does not.
*sisters player trolling intensifies*
To be fair, Ynnari applies to 99% of CWE, 75% of DE and 100% of Harliequins. The only models from each of those that cannot be considered Ynnari is the Avatar of Khaine and Haemonculi Coven units.
But I do agree that it's odd to have the name on the cover whereas, Adeptus Sororitus is not on the Imperium 2 book.
JohnMarik wrote: Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.
I thought this was odd too. The mention that points costs will be updatable, yet the way to get those it to get the books as the free rules won't include points cost.
In any case, I am happy that the books are available (as I like having physical copies) and that they are all pretty cheap. I can finally have all the rules.....at least until supplements start coming out.
From what I can see the indexes are:
Imperium 1- space marines, blood angels, dark angels, space wolves, grey knights, deathwatch, legion of the damned
Imperium 2- Astra Militarum, Ad mech, Imperial knights, imperial agents, talons of the Emperor
Chaos- heretic astarties, chaos daemons, questor traitoris (I think)
Xenos 1- craftworlds, new dark eldar name, eldar with the Y name, harlequins, necrons
Xenos 2-orks, t'au, tyranids, gene cults
I'm getting all five.
Imperium 1: My main army is Space Marines, so I'll get this one.
Imperium 2: Wife plays Sisters of Battle, we both have some Talons of the Emperor, AND we each have a Knight.
Chaos: Chaos Space Marines are the funzors. I have a small faction. I'll need this book.
Xenos 1: Finally! I don't play any Eldar...Damn! Wife has Necrons. Grr...
Xenos 2: Orks. I lurve my small ork army.
JohnMarik wrote: Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.
I think it will be just like AOS and the Grand order books. You can have the book or get the unit rules for free on GW's page.
JohnMarik wrote: Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.
No. The power levels will be free. That's useful for narrative and open gaming.
For matched play, with the more granular points that we're used to, you'll need the books.
The death guard models are terribly cool. If I had it in me to start another new army then this is where I would go for sure. I don't mind the drone at all. The hellblasters look like straight plasma but will likely be tricked out. In all see no reason to buy them. Non terrain is a bummer. Including the full book rather than a pocket sized edition is OK too... Looks to be a good deal. Shame I will need six new books tho.
Aaaahhh, I was right on the money. Codex: Space Marines, Codex: Imperial Inferiorus, codex: Chaos, codex: Aeldari and codex: Non-threats (Tyranids, Orks etc)
Also, worth noting (I think) that the NuMarines are heading in the Sigmarine direction...of having squads of guys fully equipped with the same item? This makes building armies easier and essentially future-proofs squads of models, but I think this is a sad sign if we eventually (over the next five years) see the disappearance of mixed-weapons Tactical Squads etc. I think it works of the Eldar aspect warriors (and yes it makes army construction damn easy), but I think the piece-meal nature of a Space Marine Tactical Squad is something rather iconic. Hope that doesn't slowly fade.
JohnMarik wrote: Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.
No. The power levels will be free. That's useful for narrative and open gaming.
For matched play, with the more granular points that we're used to, you'll need the books.
My point is look into any post with someone disgruntled about 8th and you'll find enough people saying that the unit summaries will be separate and free allowing for rebalancing, if points aren't on those sheets that can't really happen right? Plus I feel like they went and redefined what "Core Rules" are. When they said all Core Rules would be free I'm sure we all assumed that that had meant the entire core ruleset as we've always taken it. But now it's defined as just the phases.
Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.
If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).
We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.
Elbows wrote: Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.
If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).
We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.
Right, and honestly I don't think that's a bad goal and it's a really good idea. I just feel like they were purposefully misleading which is less "New GW" and just the "Same Ol' GW" which gives me bad feelings lol
Looks good. If those prices turn out to be true, I'll only have to spend about half what I did for the last edition. Might even pick up some objective markers too.
I don't know why everyone is losing their heads over the fact that competitive play rules cost money. It's not like they are just copying Age of Sigmar.
Also, not a fan of the models. They suffer from over-design.
Elbows wrote: Also, worth noting (I think) that the NuMarines are heading in the Sigmarine direction...of having squads of guys fully equipped with the same item? This makes building armies easier and essentially future-proofs squads of models, but I think this is a sad sign if we eventually (over the next five years) see the disappearance of mixed-weapons Tactical Squads etc. I think it works of the Eldar aspect warriors (and yes it makes army construction damn easy), but I think the piece-meal nature of a Space Marine Tactical Squad is something rather iconic. Hope that doesn't slowly fade.
But the nurgle marines seem to have different loadouts in the same squad.
It is possible that the mono-weapon design of the Primaris is meant to allow tactical squads to still have a niche in army design. If they could do everything a tactical squad could +1, then tactical squads become almost pointless.
Hopefully these design choices mean that they will continue to support tiny-marines into the new editions.
Most units having a singular loadout is how whfb always was. It would be weird to first say that in the new rules we can shoot from a unit on different targets, and then start a game wide trend of making every unit mono-equipped
I'm not sure whether or not I should get the chaos index. The rules and the forgeworld book are a no brainer, but I feel like the index is gonna be a waste of money if the codex comes out soon after. From the sounds of it, june is going to be packed with releases. The general unit profiles and such will be available for free right? The index is only for points if I understand correctly, so unless you want to play right away there isn't much reason to get the index?
Also I agree with the jump primaris...dear gods are they fugly. Random psychic hoods and shields on their...bolt(er?) pistols. Even the jump pack looks fugly lol, what a mess.
Roknar wrote: I'm not sure whether or not I should get the chaos index. The rules and the forgeworld book are a no brainer, but I feel like the index is gonna be a waste of money if the codex comes out soon after. From the sounds of it, june is going to be packed with releases. The general unit profiles and such will be available for free right? The index is only for points if I understand correctly, so unless you want to play right away there isn't much reason to get the index?
No idea, but with chaos and imperium being the focus I would reckon they get their codex first.
Unless, the books for primaris and DG in the starter set ARE their codex books. Then there really isn't any way to tell what might come first.
I thought that was a bad choice of words. But I suppose a vat-born primaris that is two weeks old is ancient by comparison to a new marine XD.
Probably enhanced vets?
Roknar wrote: I thought that was a bad choice of words. But I suppose a vat-born primaris that is two weeks old is ancient by comparison to a new marine XD.
Probably enhanced vets?
Actually, if memory serves right, it isn't. A space marine ancient is the the guy who carries around the chapter banner. So these guys are just the same version.
Elbows wrote: Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.
If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).
We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.
Depends on what they mean by advanced. Hopefully it refers to things like cities of death.
jeff white wrote: The hellblasters look like straight plasma but will likely be tricked out.
Looks longer than a regular plasma gun in the same way that the new bolt rifle is longer than the regular bolter. Probably boosts the range to 30" in the same way which will help the fire-support role a bit. Maybe an extra point of AP or immunity to "Gets Hot" (if that is even still a thing in 8th edition).
amanita wrote: Interesting looking new models - makes one wonder what vehicles may come out for these boys.
By the way, what exactly is a Primaris Ancient?
I suspect that they will use regular Marine vehicles for the most part with maybe just 1 or 2 special toys.
Possibly the Ancient is a veteran Marine who has gone through the Primaris upgrade procedure. It would make sense to have a small cadre of veteran officers upgraded and assigned to Primaris chapters, just as some companies of Primaris Marines have been sent to reinforce existing Chapters.
Depends on what they mean by advanced. Hopefully it refers to things like cities of death.
That's what it looks like, yes.
Cities of Death, Stronghold Assault, Planetary (something) and so on seem to be the advanced rules in the printed rulebook.
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amanita wrote: Interesting looking new models - makes one wonder what vehicles may come out for these boys.
By the way, what exactly is a Primaris Ancient?
They injected a dreadnought with Primaris serum, obviously! Like the Grinch's heart, it grew four sizes that day. Unlike the Grinch's heart, it won't immediately die of cardiac arrest.
Oh right , the plasma primaris. Ancients being a term coined for banner bearers is news to me but then that's fine. Hell blasters on the other hand is facepalm worthy.
I was scratching my head on how they can still earn money if the rules were free. You still gotta buy the Index books. Atleast i dont have to buy a 280page book filled with pics and fluff just for rules.
My only (and quite a big) quarrel is that codices will still be subsequently released. Looks like codex creep will be a thing again. I wish they just released yearly (or bi-yearly) Index updates instead. I think GW would actually make more money w/ yearly Index updates, since every player would need to buy them... Oh well.
Galef wrote: Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.
I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.
In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US
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War of the heaven. Thougg not suited to play it still link to them
Dr. Cheesesteak wrote: My only (and quite a big) quarrel is that codices will still be subsequently released. Looks like codex creep will be a thing again. I wish they just released yearly (or bi-yearly) Index updates instead. I think GW would actually make more money w/ yearly Index updates, since every player would need to buy them... Oh well.
Yeah, this is a thing in AoS too only it is not just codex-creep, it is also codex-lag. Early Battletomes like Seraphon are very underpowered compared to the ones that followed.
Supposedly GW plan to address this by not putting the points on the data sheets, instead these will be in a separate table. That way if GW needs to update a unit or even an army for balance, they can just issue a new points sheet for it in an FAQ. That way the points can be adjusted while the rest of the codex remains valid.
Well, from what I can see, the New Primaris Space Marine are pretty good looking, except their Inceptor and their captain in gravis armor.
The Inceptors models managed to copy the extremely cool Seraphim and come out as twice more stupid. They look uselessly bulky and slow while they should be fast asnd sleek. Suspended like that in mid air they look like a trio of morbidly obese men in low gravity. Despite being produced around 25 years after the Seraphim, they have the same static and boring posing, which, thanks to their bulk, looks even more static and bizarre on them. There is nothing more insuling to Sister of Battle fan than to steal a cool unit from them to then make it ugly and boring.
As for the captain, the gravis armor has the same problem then the terminator armor in my opinion. It looks so heavy and bulky it leaves me to Wonder how can you fight with any sort of dexterity in such a heavy armor. You have extremely narrow field of vision, huge chest plates and even more massive boots than the already massive boots of a standard power armor.
As for the Plague Marines, they do look fine, but I'm not sure if I prefer them to the current models. I prefer a lot more the older, darker colors that made them look dirtier and the option of a few gaunt Plague Marine instead of all of them being bloated. The Bloat Drone and the poxwalkers are very cool though.
I agree, that I think codex/power creep will unfortunately become a thing. The sad thing is that there's no reason for it - editors and game designers simply need to discuss stuff as it's being planned. You can make units "different" without being "more powerful", the two are not exclusive. There are heaps of games throughout history which have expansions/etc. which aren't power-creep, but GW has an AWFUL track record when it comes to this sort of thing.
Regarding the "don't need as much material" approach for this edition. I see that starting to crumble.
+Buy the rulebook.
+Buy the index.
+Buy the real codex.
+Buy the yearly annual which may address/adjust said codices, etc.
I'll be impressed/happy though if the "power level" sheets are free or something - meaning that casual players can just buy the main rulebook and roll from there.
Am I the only that thinks the scopes on the bolt rifles are their own bits? While there are alternative companies, it would be nice for the people who have to play with 100% GW parts.
Personally, not gonna buy anything until there's confirmation on wether or not I can play Scions as their own
How do they plan on updating the points anyway?
They're not supposed to be free, but the only why to update them, short of releasing a new codex is by faqing, in which case the points are online and free.
At which point, why weren't they free from the get go? I might be misunderstanding their procedure but to me this seems no different than the system we already have now.
With the possible exception of not getting new editions and rather new codex releases for the same edition.
Well, they're taking a but of a different approach than the GHB for AoS apparently. Assuming, as they have said, the factions are going to be getting more dedicated, full books that replace these indexes we're basically back to the same point we are now. They can always errata points of course, but that's a messy way to do it.
Elbows wrote: Also, worth noting (I think) that the NuMarines are heading in the Sigmarine direction...of having squads of guys fully equipped with the same item? This makes building armies easier and essentially future-proofs squads of models, but I think this is a sad sign if we eventually (over the next five years) see the disappearance of mixed-weapons Tactical Squads etc. I think it works of the Eldar aspect warriors (and yes it makes army construction damn easy), but I think the piece-meal nature of a Space Marine Tactical Squad is something rather iconic. Hope that doesn't slowly fade.
In Age of Sigmar, we still see a mix of weapons in the squad, even in the Stormcast Eternals. For example, the Liberators (Hammer and Shield guys) and Prosecutors (winged hammer-throwers) are stuck with what they get in the Starter Set, but the individual kits give them two different options for default loadout, and 1-in-so-many can take a "special" weapon. We also see it in Ironjzaw Brutes, Stormcast Retributors and Judicators, and several of the Kharadron Overlords, Khorne Bloodbound, and Skaven kits. It's not gone, it's just not for EVERY kit; the new AoS cavalry units in particular seem to not be getting any special weapons for the squads. I mean, the Liberators can have Swords or Hammers with their Shields, and 1-in-5 can have either a big two-handed hammer or sword as a stronger weapon. Not gone, just different.
Also, it is a way to keep Standard Astartes as a relevant option, since they can mix up their loadouts and be more flexible, while the Primaris are much more specialized. There's no telling what options might be available when they get their own kits outside of the starter set.
Dr. Cheesesteak wrote: My only (and quite a big) quarrel is that codices will still be subsequently released. Looks like codex creep will be a thing again. I wish they just released yearly (or bi-yearly) Index updates instead. I think GW would actually make more money w/ yearly Index updates, since every player would need to buy them... Oh well.
Yeah, this is a thing in AoS too only it is not just codex-creep, it is also codex-lag. Early Battletomes like Seraphon are very underpowered compared to the ones that followed.
Supposedly GW plan to address this by not putting the points on the data sheets, instead these will be in a separate table. That way if GW needs to update a unit or even an army for balance, they can just issue a new points sheet for it in an FAQ. That way the points can be adjusted while the rest of the codex remains valid.
It became Codex Creep because they started adding in NEW rules for the armies. Early on, it wasn't so creepy ( ), but when the General's Handbook came out, the subsequent army books began to have content in them designed to work with the Narrative and Matched Play sections of the General's Handbook (Allegiance Abilities, Artifacts, Warlord Traits, Path to Glory, etc). The older books don't have that, which is why they are "lacking" in the tournament scene (though that's not entirely true).
Roknar wrote: How do they plan on updating the points anyway?
They're not supposed to be free, but the only why to update them, short of releasing a new codex is by faqing, in which case the points are online and free.
At which point, why weren't they free from the get go? I might be misunderstanding their procedure but to me this seems no different than the system we already have now.
With the possible exception of not getting new editions and rather new codex releases for the same edition.
For Age of Sigmar, they are going to be releasing a new version of the book every year or so. I imagine we will get something similar for 40K.
Am I correct in assuming if I want to get up and playing from day 1 with full rules I will need:
The main core rulebook (no interest in the boxed set so can get this seperately)?
Books 1,2,4 and 5 since I play SWs, IKs, IG, Crons, Nids, Orks and Eldar?
And at some future date each of those armies will get a stand alone dedicated codex?
Roknar wrote: How do they plan on updating the points anyway? They're not supposed to be free, but the only why to update them, short of releasing a new codex is by faqing, in which case the points are online and free. At which point, why weren't they free from the get go? I might be misunderstanding their procedure but to me this seems no different than the system we already have now. With the possible exception of not getting new editions and rather new codex releases for the same edition.
They can release a yearly General's handbook to round up any new releases and make any adjustments to power levels or something they fethed up.
Ratius wrote: Am I correct in assuming if I want to get up and playing from day 1 with full rules I will need:
The main core rulebook (no interest in the boxed set so can get this seperately)? Books 1,2,4 and 5 since I play SWs, IKs, IG, Crons, Nids, Orks and Eldar? And at some future date each of those armies will get a stand alone dedicated codex?
Yikes, thats a fair outlay no?
Yes. I wasn't aware of stand alone codecies, though. Yuck.
I'm getting the rule book plus all 5 books. I don't need/want the starter box.
Ratius wrote: Am I correct in assuming if I want to get up and playing from day 1 with full rules I will need:
The main core rulebook (no interest in the boxed set so can get this seperately)?
Books 1,2,4 and 5 since I play SWs, IKs, IG, Crons, Nids, Orks and Eldar?
And at some future date each of those armies will get a stand alone dedicated codex?
Yikes, thats a fair outlay no?
Its better than you having to buy 7 codices plus the rulebook like in every edition prior. Plus the prices seem to have dropped somewhat, based on the rumours.
I sure hope the rules are super cheap, because a lot of books get inflated in price in Canada just for the lulz (probably our dumb governments fault this time). I would say books get over priced here more than anything else. I had to stop buying books because it was too hard to justify how much more expensive they are than anything else.
If they are the Age of Sigmar battle tome level that's cool. It's doable. Even the pricier Kharadron Overlords one I picked up was definitely worth the cost for sheer content.
Gamgee wrote: Naturally my armies rules are split into 3 books. -_-
How expensive are these books and is there fluff in the indexes or is that the main 40k rulesbook?
I'll probably grab the main rules just for the fluff alone and so I can keep up to date on theory crafting.
qft.
I'll definitely get the big book for the fluff, though apparenty it has some other special rules that aren't in the free Core rules(?). Hopefull the Indexes, since softcover and maybe just unit rules only (no galleries, fluff, etc?) will be like $20 US. A man can dream...
Ratius wrote: Am I correct in assuming if I want to get up and playing from day 1 with full rules I will need:
The main core rulebook (no interest in the boxed set so can get this seperately)?
Books 1,2,4 and 5 since I play SWs, IKs, IG, Crons, Nids, Orks and Eldar?
And at some future date each of those armies will get a stand alone dedicated codex?
Yikes, thats a fair outlay no?
At least you know your armies! I'm returning from 5th w/ just Eldar and still deciding which additional armies to play, so I'll be buying 3 (CSM, DE, Nids are candidates), possibly all 5 of the books, and only using 2 at most (limiting myself to 2 factions for the rest of my 40k career) after all is said and done.
Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.
I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.
In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US
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War of the heaven.
I don't really see that as applicable since Orks should also be a part of that and Space Marines/Chaos Marines are not in the same book for "Horus Heresy"
I really thing they just needed X more pages in the Aeldari book and Necrons fit the closest.
Roknar wrote: Oh so one single book to cover all factions every year, with only a bunch of new point tables. That about right?
In Age of Sigmar, there are the Grand Alliance Books, and they have not been updated yet having been out for well over a year now. The General's Handbook is the one that contains the Matched Play points which will get adjusted over time. I imagine we will have something similar for 40K.
Gamgee wrote: I sure hope the rules are super cheap, because a lot of books get inflated in price in Canada just for the lulz (probably our dumb governments fault this time). I would say books get over priced here more than anything else. I had to stop buying books because it was too hard to justify how much more expensive they are than anything else.
If they are the Age of Sigmar battle tome level that's cool. It's doable. Even the pricier Kharadron Overlords one I picked up was definitely worth the cost for sheer content.
Take a look at the prices for the Grand Alliance Books for Age of Sigmar. $101 USD for all of the warscrolls for each army being supported, not including units or armies released after them, obviously.
I imagine each army will get its own Codex over time as new units and new armies get added in. These new alliance books are most likely a stopgap to keep everyone playing until we start getting proper Codexes (Codices?) again.
I imagine when they say full faction rules they mean it. So it would be the equivallent of having a bttletome in AoS? So I imagine for Tau and DE there would be rules for some fluffy sept's and Kabal's respectively.
I have to see what rules are in these indexes to see if I can justify grabbing them and how they compare to the rules in a battletomb. If my factions are just getting a battletomb of their own later with full rules and any new additions from the inevitable launch I may as well wait since I won't be able to get games with my Tau here anyways and me DE army isn't anywhere near ready yet.
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In that case bunk core rules for me and I'll have to use my Barak-Mhornar ingenuity to find the indexes for cheap somewhere. That or see a good preview of them to see if the are worth the price.
TheLumberJack wrote: Im confused, do we need to buy the rulebook to get everything or is it free?
The main 40k rules-lite is free. The advanced rules are not. I have no idea what "advanced" means but probably the rules for organizing more advanced list building rules for tournament games and more in depth balance as opposed to imply using unit power ratings.
TheLumberJack wrote: Im confused, do we need to buy the rulebook to get everything or is it free?
The main 40k rules-lite is free. The advanced rules are not. I have no idea what "advanced" means but probably the rules for organizing more advanced list building rules for tournament games and more in depth balance as opposed to imply using unit power ratings.
I imagine that the unit rules and Datacards will be available as a free PDF download off of the GW website. Cause, you know, it is for Age of Sigmar
They are using language that indicates the different mission types and scenarios as being the "advanced rules", so stuff like Cities of Death. It looks to me like the full core rules for running standard mission types will be free.
Galef wrote: If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?
Well I have on idea but it depends on what rules are in the indexes.
In AoS battle tombs there are individual faction rules for running that faction as a single coherent force as opposed to part of a grand alliance army. For the Overlords this includes the ability to make your army be one of the six great ports or your own unique one. So you can specify what type of kahradron overlords your army is depending on sky port. It also has formations inside of them as well and battle plans for pre generated battles and tons of fluff. Each of the ports has different rules and some of them can be pretty strong.
If all of that is already in the indexes then I imagine that codices might be the start of new faction lore and stories that will eventually become new plot books gathering storm style. If most of the rules are in the indexes already they will probably just be for releasing new models and rules. However if the indexes are not that in depth then they would add faction specific rules. So for Tau probably septs and DE probably rules for famous kabals ect.
To me is pretty clear that the datasleets are gonna be free with the Power Levels in them. If not, how are you going to play the game? Is absurd to have the Core Rules for free but not the units rules.
The Indexs probably will have the Datasleets and point costs. But I think that the Warhammer40k app, like the warscrolbuilder one, will have points costs too. Or maybe only Power level, because thats more similar to AoS points. You pay for the models, not upgrades.
The "leaks" have started, we just got two page scans up on spikey bits. They could have like waited a day to make it a little less obvious it was GW "leaking" the info.
Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.
I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.
In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US
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War of the heaven.
I don't really see that as applicable since Orks should also be a part of that and Space Marines/Chaos Marines are not in the same book for "Horus Heresy"
I really thing they just needed X more pages in the Aeldari book and Necrons fit the closest.
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Oh no doubt main reason was just more even but when thinking what force to put necrons make more sense than say tyranids. There's at least SOME thematic connection between them.
Alternatively of course maybe they just rolled dice which other alien army gets mixed in
Galef wrote: If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?
Probably expanded options, formations and command points that aren't in the indices.
Yeah, basically is the same format as AoS battletomes. Formations, Battle traits, Psychics lores if the army uses them, etc...
So basically it will be unnecessary junk...until players pick up on certain combos that are "must-take" for competitive play? Great
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I assume you can see it that way... they offer more personalization. Theres people that find all of those things unnecesary in AoS too. Personally, as a more narrative Player, I prefer variation, even if it brings some broken combos.
For AoS actually battletomes have been a pretty good thing. For example, the Stormcast Battletome put together the two Stormcast subfactions, nerfed the OP things of the faction, but give it more variation in playstile, doing a pretty good job of balancing the army.
Obviously, if you don't want to play with the "Battletomes/Codices"; I'm sure you could play with the generic Psychic powers and Battletraits, etc... that the core rulebook will have, just like AoS.
Galef wrote: If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?
If Age of Sigmar is any indication of GW's current trend on publishing content, then the army books will contain Faction specific Matched Play and Narrative Play rules and add-ons, such as:
- Scenario and "historical" fluff battles
- Warlord Traits
- Artifacts
- "Chapter Tactics" equivalents per sub-faction
- Painting and Conversion guides
- Campagin play ideas
- Faction specific Detachments for different game modes
- Fluff and backstory (especially as the history is moving forward now)
- New units released since the Index books's release
Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.
I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.
In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US
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War of the heaven.
I don't really see that as applicable since Orks should also be a part of that and Space Marines/Chaos Marines are not in the same book for "Horus Heresy"
I really thing they just needed X more pages in the Aeldari book and Necrons fit the closest.
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Oh no doubt main reason was just more even but when thinking what force to put necrons make more sense than say tyranids. There's at least SOME thematic connection between them.
Alternatively of course maybe they just rolled dice which other alien army gets mixed in
Or the Xenos were put in alphabetically, as was noticed on another thread: Aeldari, Necrons, Orks, Tau, Tyranids.
So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.
Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?
Roknar wrote: So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.
Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?
Battletomes have all the Datasheets/Warscrolls, yes. I'm not sure you'll need the indexs, tought. In AoS you really don't need the Faction Great Books. You have all the warscrolls for free and the points in the GHB or the http://www.scrollbuilder.com/ app.
You can buy them if you want to have all it in paper without printing your own copies.
Roknar wrote: So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.
Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?
Battletomes have all the Datasheets/Warscrolls, yes. I'm not sure you'll need the indexs, tought. In AoS you really don't need the Faction Great Books. You have all the warscrolls for free and the points in the GHB or the http://www.scrollbuilder.com/ app.
You can buy them if you want to have all it in paper without printing your own copies.
We don't know when the "Battletomes" will be released (if at all). it may be a few months before they get around to your particular faction. Plus the Index books are likely quite cheap, so they'll be worth getting.
I will be buying the starter set fo sure, but I am sad I do not get a small pocket rulebook. Unsure on the other stuff as I may wait for them to be digital as erratas etc can be digitally updated rather than needing to print a reference sheet. I am very disappointed though that we have another chaos marines vs vanilla marines starter set. no non astartes love. I mean rowboat is headed to fight some bugs right now why not go in that direction and push some nids!
on the other stuff note. the tool is as useless as it is in AOS and you can get one for a few bucks on ebay. wound counters are just d10s, objective markers are neat but I already scratch built original ones... cards will be purchased though as I love maelstrom and hate eternal war missions
I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.
Wayniac wrote: I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.
Who said the rulebook is $80?
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Disappointed that there's no mini-rulebook. The little guy is so much more convenient to have on hand; carrying a textbook around can get annoying.
Oh well, it's certainly not a deal breaker.
On the other hand, if the core rules really do fit on just a few pages, you may only have to take the reference pamphlet with you.
Wayniac wrote: I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.
Who said the rulebook is $80?
I'm not sure, but I saw someone else say that so probably there. I'm hoping the rules are like 30 bucks
7th edition's rulebook was around $80, but it was a three-volume set with one book each for hobby information and fluff. This is just one book, which is smaller than the previous rulebook alone. I'd say $30-40 is a pretty safe bet.
Galef wrote: If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?
new factions. Let's say a a few months time GW releases a buncha new world eater models. they'll release them snd put out a codex for them. or thats my feeling at least
Galef wrote: If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?
new factions. Let's say a a few months time GW releases a buncha new world eater models. they'll release them snd put out a codex for them. or thats my feeling at least
I suspect that the Codexes will have updated points costs, new models being released with the new codexes, faction specific stratagems and maybe some faction specific terrain? (The sporecyst should really be a tyranid fortification where you can take 1-3 of them per slot)
Wayniac wrote: I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.
Who said the rulebook is $80?
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Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote: Disappointed that there's no mini-rulebook. The little guy is so much more convenient to have on hand; carrying a textbook around can get annoying.
Oh well, it's certainly not a deal breaker.
On the other hand, if the core rules really do fit on just a few pages, you may only have to take the reference pamphlet with you.
Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?
Wayniac wrote: Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?
Prices are now coming in from the independent stockists. UK prices are:
Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00
Euro prices are here, haven't seen any for the rest of the world yet.
Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?
Everything I've seen says 95 British Pounds for the starter set and 35 for the rulebook. That's a pretty big difference if the sources you're referring to are talking about USD.
On the other hand, these are all unsubstantiated rumors, so it could be that all of us are wrong.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Man, the starter set is about $125 in the UK, $140 in the EU and $160 in the US? What gives.
Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?
Everything I've seen says 95 British Pounds for the starter set and 35 for the rulebook. That's a pretty big difference if the sources you're referring to are talking about USD.
On the other hand, these are all unsubstantiated rumors, so it could be that all of us are wrong.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Man, the starter set is about $125 in the UK, $140 in the EU and $160 in the US? What gives.
They figure with all of those Trump tax cuts we can afford a little more
Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?
Everything I've seen says 95 British Pounds for the starter set and 35 for the rulebook. That's a pretty big difference if the sources you're referring to are talking about USD.
On the other hand, these are all unsubstantiated rumors, so it could be that all of us are wrong.
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Automatically Appended Next Post: Man, the starter set is about $125 in the UK, $140 in the EU and $160 in the US? What gives.
It did come from Spikey Bits, so could just be incorrect info.
Da-Rock wrote: Jump pack Marines = look great!
Death Guard = Fugly and Waaaaaay too busy!
I will buy the box set and trade/sell away the Eye sore army.
this is always the case with starter sets, the faction in the starter that is not space marines gets sold at a discount all over. also people will be splitting boxes up for ebay so I will be surprised if we do not see the rulebooks for a good 30-50% markdown there brand new and pulled straight from the box.
I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
I'm really hoping they don't do that. I don't want to have 10 books just for chaos marines alone. If they want to have different legion playstyles they can do something like they did with the Traitor Legion supplement
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
I'm really hoping they don't do that. I don't want to have 10 books just for chaos marines alone. If they want to have different legion playstyles they can do something like they did with the Traitor Legion supplement
My guess (and hope as well!) is that GW will have the Chaos Marines book for everything. There isn't a decent comparison to Age of Sigmar for this, as each army is broken up by Faction. But 40K is a bigger game with more years and units behind it. It is possible we may see a Codex for each army, though I don't see a precedent for it. Basing off of the recent Kharadron Overlords book, there are plenty of opportunities to have the Legion/Chapter Tactics have just a couple pages of rules, and with Death Guard unlocking Plague Marines as Troops over regular Chaos Marines. THAT is my guess (and hope!).
The thing is, will we see the same for Space Marines? Are we going to get a separate Codex for each main flavor of Astartes? Wolves? Dark and Blood Angels? Vanilla? How would Grey Knights get counted in on all of this? (Speaking of which, are they counted as Astartes or Imperium for the Index books?)
flamingkillamajig wrote: Is it me or do those Primaris marines look ugly AF without their helmets on?
Especially the one who somehow already has two bolts in his head.
Because this needs to be posted on every page, Primaris marines can be made from existing marines. It's entirely possible for any normal Marine or Character to become a Primaris.
flamingkillamajig wrote: Is it me or do those Primaris marines look ugly AF without their helmets on?
Especially the one who somehow already has two bolts in his head.
The entire second company is already Primaris, I assume the entire Chapter is by now.
AND yeah I saw someone mention the Plague marines, how busy they look. I really don't like them at all... as miniatures they look good, each one being a character of sorts, but together as an army it looks like a mess.. I blame the paint style, players should be able to give them a more uniform look and dull it down.
Not a fan of the jump pack numarines.
The pack doesn't look right.
l like the new helmet. They look more aggressive, and there's a slight touch of templar knight.
EMPEROR VULT
I do find it disconcerting how there are only numarines in the box though. This to me implies that they will phase out the older kits, leaving only the new ones.
At least there are different rules for the older marines, I guess.
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
I'm really hoping they don't do that. I don't want to have 10 books just for chaos marines alone. If they want to have different legion playstyles they can do something like they did with the Traitor Legion supplement
My guess (and hope as well!) is that GW will have the Chaos Marines book for everything. There isn't a decent comparison to Age of Sigmar for this, as each army is broken up by Faction. But 40K is a bigger game with more years and units behind it. It is possible we may see a Codex for each army, though I don't see a precedent for it. Basing off of the recent Kharadron Overlords book, there are plenty of opportunities to have the Legion/Chapter Tactics have just a couple pages of rules, and with Death Guard unlocking Plague Marines as Troops over regular Chaos Marines. THAT is my guess (and hope!).
The thing is, will we see the same for Space Marines? Are we going to get a separate Codex for each main flavor of Astartes? Wolves? Dark and Blood Angels? Vanilla? How would Grey Knights get counted in on all of this? (Speaking of which, are they counted as Astartes or Imperium for the Index books?)
Time will tell...
Grey Knights are in the Marine book. And I see they may have an individual book for those marine chapters(even though they don't need to) but even then I doubt they are gonna make codex for every loyalist legion army. That would just be way too many codexes. I'm hoping they do it like the Kharadon overlords, and just have a few pages of rules dedicated to each legion in one big book
Love the deathguard models even though I'll never be playing chaos; they have a lot of character. Not a huge fan of the primaria marines, but I might snag the captain if I can get him for cheap off of a bits site.
flamingkillamajig wrote: Is it me or do those Primaris marines look ugly AF without their helmets on?
Especially the one who somehow already has two bolts in his head.
Because this needs to be posted on every page, Primaris marines can be made from existing marines. It's entirely possible for any normal Marine or Character to become a Primaris.
Well excuse me, but I have not seen it posted anywhere I have been looking nor the explanation. Sorry to offend friend, thanks for the explanation. Still think unhelmeted models look meh and hope they have the options for all helms in the standard kit!
I'm on board with that, they look horrendous. I like the rest of the set a lot, though.
That's cause the jump pack ISN'T a jump pack.
Let's take a close look at the model
Spoiler:
take a look at the feet of those minis their feet are clearly on some brackets, which might be good for keeping feet locked into position etc, but they'd be a pain to walk on etc. then take a look at how they're based, notice they're on a flier stand (as opposed to assault marines whom useally are depicted landing or jumping) those are jump pack Marines. those are JET PACK Marines.
I'm on board with that, they look horrendous. I like the rest of the set a lot, though.
That's cause the jump pack ISN'T a jump pack.
Let's take a close look at the model
Spoiler:
take a look at the feet of those minis their feet are clearly on some brackets, which might be good for keeping feet locked into position etc, but they'd be a pain to walk on etc. then take a look at how they're based, notice they're on a flier stand (as opposed to assault marines whom useally are depicted landing or jumping) those are jump pack Marines. those are JET PACK Marines.
That's why they don't have chainswords. Cause they aren't gonna be in cc range
I'm on board with that, they look horrendous. I like the rest of the set a lot, though.
That's cause the jump pack ISN'T a jump pack.
Let's take a close look at the model
Spoiler:
take a look at the feet of those minis their feet are clearly on some brackets, which might be good for keeping feet locked into position etc, but they'd be a pain to walk on etc. then take a look at how they're based, notice they're on a flier stand (as opposed to assault marines whom useally are depicted landing or jumping) those are jump pack Marines. those are JET PACK Marines.
I'm on board with that, they look horrendous. I like the rest of the set a lot, though.
That's cause the jump pack ISN'T a jump pack.
Let's take a close look at the model
Spoiler:
take a look at the feet of those minis their feet are clearly on some brackets, which might be good for keeping feet locked into position etc, but they'd be a pain to walk on etc. then take a look at how they're based, notice they're on a flier stand (as opposed to assault marines whom useally are depicted landing or jumping) those are jump pack Marines. those are JET PACK Marines.
That's why they don't have chainswords. Cause they aren't gonna be in cc range
and like Tau crisis suits they'll proably be able to swiftly move out of CC if they get in it. which raises the obvious question, where and what are the Primairs assault unit? I can't imagine them not having one,
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
I'm really hoping they don't do that. I don't want to have 10 books just for chaos marines alone. If they want to have different legion playstyles they can do something like they did with the Traitor Legion supplement
My guess (and hope as well!) is that GW will have the Chaos Marines book for everything. There isn't a decent comparison to Age of Sigmar for this, as each army is broken up by Faction. But 40K is a bigger game with more years and units behind it. It is possible we may see a Codex for each army, though I don't see a precedent for it. Basing off of the recent Kharadron Overlords book, there are plenty of opportunities to have the Legion/Chapter Tactics have just a couple pages of rules, and with Death Guard unlocking Plague Marines as Troops over regular Chaos Marines. THAT is my guess (and hope!).
The thing is, will we see the same for Space Marines? Are we going to get a separate Codex for each main flavor of Astartes? Wolves? Dark and Blood Angels? Vanilla? How would Grey Knights get counted in on all of this? (Speaking of which, are they counted as Astartes or Imperium for the Index books?)
Time will tell...
I don't think we'll need to buy ten different books to play CSM. I'd be surprised if they didn't include rules for Plague Marines in Index: Chaos. Since they do have a pretty focused faction book for Deathguard, what I'm wondering about is if they'll come out with a CSM codex that tries to cover most everything or if that will be the permanent role of Index: Chaos.
I guess the main thing I'm wondering is are the Index books are supposed to stick around and be a useful resource indefinitely, or are they're just a temporary measure to get us by? They'll definitely be coming out with new books, but I'm not sure if they'll render the Indexes irrelevant or if the Indexes will still be the core of a faction's rules. That makes a difference on how much money I'll spend on them. I'm not sure if I'm making any sense.
Hmm, interesting observations. I did notice the foot braces but it didn't occur to me that these could be something other than jump infantry like we've seen before. That certainly does make them more interesting, but does not make them look any better
Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: I'm curious what the digital prices will be for the compendiums and what kind of release schedule there will be for faction-specific codexes. I might get everything, or I might only get digital versions of a few things, it kind of depends on further information coming out.
Also, I'd be curious to see if the "traditional" codexes get skipped for very specific codexes. We can already see that there's a Death Guard book. Maybe there will never be a "normal" CSM codex and instead we'll get one for each of the legions plus maybe a Renegade CSM book. If that's the case, some units might only appear in the Chaos compendium.
I'm really hoping they don't do that. I don't want to have 10 books just for chaos marines alone. If they want to have different legion playstyles they can do something like they did with the Traitor Legion supplement
My guess (and hope as well!) is that GW will have the Chaos Marines book for everything. There isn't a decent comparison to Age of Sigmar for this, as each army is broken up by Faction. But 40K is a bigger game with more years and units behind it. It is possible we may see a Codex for each army, though I don't see a precedent for it. Basing off of the recent Kharadron Overlords book, there are plenty of opportunities to have the Legion/Chapter Tactics have just a couple pages of rules, and with Death Guard unlocking Plague Marines as Troops over regular Chaos Marines. THAT is my guess (and hope!).
The thing is, will we see the same for Space Marines? Are we going to get a separate Codex for each main flavor of Astartes? Wolves? Dark and Blood Angels? Vanilla? How would Grey Knights get counted in on all of this? (Speaking of which, are they counted as Astartes or Imperium for the Index books?)
Time will tell...
I don't think we'll need to buy ten different books to play CSM. I'd be surprised if they didn't include rules for Plague Marines in Index: Chaos. Since they do have a pretty focused faction book for Deathguard, what I'm wondering about is if they'll come out with a CSM codex that tries to cover most everything or if that will be the permanent role of Index: Chaos.
I guess the main thing I'm wondering is are the Index books are supposed to stick around and be a useful resource indefinitely, or are they're just a temporary measure to get us by? They'll definitely be coming out with new books, but I'm not sure if they'll render the Indexes irrelevant or if the Indexes will still be the core of a faction's rules. That makes a difference on how much money I'll spend on them. I'm not sure if I'm making any sense.
I get you. I think all the info in them will be relevant, but more specialized stuff will get their own codexes, but these indexes will be a good place to get general info on an army. I for one like the idea of indexes for certain factions. It makes sense to have all the marines in one big book together, as it does for chaos and eldar too.
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
looks like an air supply hooked to pipes, which makes sense with the "dropping in from orbit" comment GW made on em
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
looks like an air supply hooked to pipes, which makes sense with the "dropping in from orbit" comment GW made on em
Yeah, those are breathing tubes. Nice little detail they added to differentiate them from the ground troops.
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
Oh my god that is my favorite thing ever! Look at thise smug mustachioed bastards!
Also not a fan of the Hover Marines, but I suppose they aren't the worst looking things I have ever seen. I was hoping for an angrier assault unit of Prime marines too.... We can only hope they are not too far off.
Wish they would show off the supposed new chapters created from Prime Marines as I need to decide what kind of of army to make!
I can appreciate the grotty looks of the DG, but good lord most of the mini's come off as looking terrible... and not just in the way a Nurgle player wants...
Spetsnaz0129 wrote: Also not a fan of the Hover Marines, but I suppose they aren't the worst looking things I have ever seen. I was hoping for an angrier assault unit of Prime marines too.... We can only hope they are not too far off.
Wish they would show off the supposed new chapters created from Prime Marines as I need to decide what kind of of army to make!
I can appreciate the grotty looks of the DG, but good lord most of the mini's come off as looking terrible... and not just in the way a Nurgle player wants...
I'm hoping that the Primaris codex shows us some of the new chapters. I agree that they do need to give us a posterboy for the "27th founding"
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
Oh my god that is my favorite thing ever! Look at thise smug mustachioed bastards!
I'm surprised the snow shoes haven't recieved an explaination.
Was I just dreaming when I heard that the core rules and datasheets were going to be free for the 8th edition? I was expecting online PDF releases like AoS. Perhaps I just made that one up in my head or something.
I know it's all about the scale but come on, should have at least one of the special weapon Marines take a knee and aim down the sights, that would look cool.
I find the special weapon marines to have the most boring poses.
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
Oh my god that is my favorite thing ever! Look at thise smug mustachioed bastards!
I'm surprised the snow shoes haven't recieved an explaination.
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
Oh my god that is my favorite thing ever! Look at thise smug mustachioed bastards!
I'm surprised the snow shoes haven't recieved an explaination.
Looks like the new starter is going to be one of those "Shut up and take my money!" releases, at least for me. First time I've ever been excited about anything Nurgle-related. I love that drone thing!
Swastakowey wrote: I like the new Marines, however these airborne guys look weird in the face. Can anybody else see the creepy toothy smile with mustache face these guys have going?
It bothers me to no end.
lol I can't un-see that now.
Overall I feel fairly unimpressed with the P-Marines. Lazy, almost illogical, fluff behind them and 'hey, let's just make BIGGER space marines.' idk, I would have rather had a couple cool new units (maybe some new bigger skimmers with swivel turrets, or some cooler looking artillery, or something humvee like, or like scout demolition crews that can blow up terrain or lay booby traps of some sort, or some more cool variations in the drop pods) or rather had new factions or reboots of factions that could use a makeover
Marines bigger than guardsmen, True Scale Marines. It's what people have been asking for. Congratulations. On the local forum people are happy about it.
Waaargh wrote: Marines bigger than guardsmen, True Scale Marines. It's what people have been asking for. Congratulations. On the local forum people are happy about it.
True scale...Or are they? If they are then we need to start campaigning for true scale custodes!
Waaargh wrote: Marines bigger than guardsmen, True Scale Marines. It's what people have been asking for. Congratulations. On the local forum people are happy about it.
True scale...Or are they? If they are then we need to start campaigning for true scale custodes!
And orks, nids, eldar, and everything else. Once again, the only models not in scale are Imperial Guard.
The easy way for them to update points cost without it invalidating the fact that people have paid for points costs by buying a codex is simply to put a unique code in the back of every codex which you have to use when you log on to the website. Therefore they can update it continuously rather than once a year in an FAQ, and those who have paid for a codex won't feel cheated that everyone else got the points for free a year later.
This method has been used successfully on most 'install' CDs since the late 90's.
Edit: or even better allow the code to download the digital version on upto 3 different devices (like most paid VPNs do for example), this can then be a automatically updating digital dex (think app) and the max 3 device thing will mean that people can't just search for a code online.
Yeah, rest of the models look fine but Assault NuMarines are awful.
-two pistols doesn't make any iota of sense. I know it's a movie cliche, but seriously carrying pistol in each hand is LESS effective than carrying than just 1 pistol and using it properly. For Cypher, there is at least kind of justification that he carries two different pistols, presumably he shoots mostly with his Bolt pistol and disposes tougher comers with Plasma.
-what the heck are those shields? Putting shields on pistols is senseless. First of all, you can't see where you shoot. Second, putting thick enough shields to pistols to actually protect anything, you end up having pistols which are heavy and cumbersome. It would make far more sense to use the weight for making the pistol more powerful and wield the shield separately a'la Combat shield.
One thing they said that I don't really care for is that apparently, unlike AOS, the 40k warscrolls (datasheets?) will NOT be available online but will come in the boxes (and be in the books). That seems like a big step backwards, most everyone I know has printouts of the warscrolls they need for AOS in a binder. Not being able to get the sheets for 40k easily means that people can't view the stats without the books, which seems to defeat the entire purpose of how they did it for AOS. They seem to have backtracked quite a bit on "free rules" like they initial stated.
Yeah, rest of the models look fine but Assault NuMarines are awful.
-two pistols doesn't make any iota of sense. I know it's a movie cliche, but seriously carrying pistol in each hand is LESS effective than carrying than just 1 pistol and using it properly. For Cypher, there is at least kind of justification that he carries two different pistols, presumably he shoots mostly with his Bolt pistol and disposes tougher comers with Plasma.
-what the heck are those shields? Putting shields on pistols is senseless. First of all, you can't see where you shoot. Second, putting thick enough shields to pistols to actually protect anything, you end up having pistols which are heavy and cumbersome. It would make far more sense to use the weight for making the pistol more powerful and wield the shield separately a'la Combat shield.
They are Space Marines. They can process way more data in their brains and likely can track two different targets while shooting at them. They also don't need the iron sights on the pistols/bolt guns, they have targeting systems in their helmet.
Welp....I might actually drop money on this if the price is right. If hellblasters are suppose to be the devastator equivallent, you got a pretty decent army for the SMs right out of the box.
The nurgle side looks like it's mostly troops + 1 heavy and 3 characters, but still looks like a decent force. Ironically I'm more of a fan of the Primaris marines (If only because they look better as duplicates, the nurgle marines are too unique to use in multiples).
Yeah, rest of the models look fine but Assault NuMarines are awful.
-two pistols doesn't make any iota of sense. I know it's a movie cliche, but seriously carrying pistol in each hand is LESS effective than carrying than just 1 pistol and using it properly. For Cypher, there is at least kind of justification that he carries two different pistols, presumably he shoots mostly with his Bolt pistol and disposes tougher comers with Plasma.
-what the heck are those shields? Putting shields on pistols is senseless. First of all, you can't see where you shoot. Second, putting thick enough shields to pistols to actually protect anything, you end up having pistols which are heavy and cumbersome. It would make far more sense to use the weight for making the pistol more powerful and wield the shield separately a'la Combat shield.
I don't mind the dual pistols (if Seraphim, ordinary women, can do it, so can super humans), but the shields on the gun do look pretty stupid. What are they supposed to be protecting? They don't cover enough of the marine to protect him from fire.
I'm on board with that, they look horrendous. I like the rest of the set a lot, though.
That's cause the jump pack ISN'T a jump pack.
Let's take a close look at the model
Spoiler:
take a look at the feet of those minis their feet are clearly on some brackets, which might be good for keeping feet locked into position etc, but they'd be a pain to walk on etc. then take a look at how they're based, notice they're on a flier stand (as opposed to assault marines whom useally are depicted landing or jumping) those are jump pack Marines. those are JET PACK Marines.
I saw a pic from the back where they also have jets on their knee pits.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Oops there it is above my post, lol
So the Primaris "jump" marines are more like T'au Crisis Suits then? I can dig that
Hopefully Primaris Marines are going to be limited to Infantry and the 'jump' guys. Leave Assault, Bikes and Terminator armour to the regular Marines.
Galef wrote: So the Primaris "jump" marines are more like T'au Crisis Suits then? I can dig that
Hopefully Primaris Marines are going to be limited to Infantry and the 'jump' guys. Leave Assault, Bikes and Terminator armour to the regular Marines.
I personally can't WAIT to see the assault version.
Poly Ranger wrote: The easy way for them to update points cost without it invalidating the fact that people have paid for points costs by buying a codex is simply to put a unique code in the back of every codex which you have to use when you log on to the website. Therefore they can update it continuously rather than once a year in an FAQ, and those who have paid for a codex won't feel cheated that everyone else got the points for free a year later.
This method has been used successfully on most 'install' CDs since the late 90's.
Edit: or even better allow the code to download the digital version on upto 3 different devices (like most paid VPNs do for example), this can then be a automatically updating digital dex (think app) and the max 3 device thing will mean that people can't just search for a code online.
This is what they SHOULD do. But do you honestly think it's what they WILL do?
Galef wrote: So the Primaris "jump" marines are more like T'au Crisis Suits then? I can dig that
Hopefully Primaris Marines are going to be limited to Infantry and the 'jump' guys. Leave Assault, Bikes and Terminator armour to the regular Marines.
yeah Tau crisis suits is proably the closest comparison. and IMHO I have no issue with a Primaris assault unit so long as they can diffrentiate it. make em use power swords and thunder sheilds across the whole unit or something. assault squads would still have their place as the mobile one you toss at cheap infantry fast to tear em up, but the Primaris sword and board squad could be used to intercept chargers, and be partiuclarly effective vs chaos space marines. (my over all feel is that Primaris Marines are beiing kitted out to be most effecvtive vs chaos)
Dakka Wolf wrote: I'm surprised the snow shoes haven't recieved an explaination.
A fairly good suggestion over in the rumour thread was that they may be grav-plates ala land speeders and the like.
Given the setup, that seems plausible to me (I had just assumed they were skids for landing at high speeds).
My first thought was they were some sort of shock absorber, but grav plates could also be cool.
Can grav-plates be reversed so they "pull" instead of "push"? If so, that could make for some interesting shenanigans in the fluff as these guys are able to fly around and then grab hold to things with their feet.
Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
I'm still hoping 8th could bring about plastic Eldar Aspects, rather than more marines, frankly. Instead of a replacement for existing marines (though they are growing on me) they could have made 8th be "the death of Finecast".
AegisGrimm wrote: Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
Looking at the NuMarines more and the new, (possible flyer) assault marines.....I will be pre-ordering my first Games Workshop box set ever.....(and that's since Rogue Trader in 1985).
AegisGrimm wrote: Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
AegisGrimm wrote: Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
Don't you mean the "casual observors"
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"Age of Collors"
In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only WOR.
My FLGS is putting on a discount that's actually dang good for pre-orders of 8th edition products .It will be the cheapest I can get them anywhere. Even my best online discounts can't imagine this. The launch day event is going to be huge here. My FLGS owner is saying that he is probably going to set up a barbecue as well as both gaming and painting tables. We might have to go to a place outside the store itself since it will be so huge.
So hype. I'm getting in as much gaming as I can and then crashing. Also the event will be for 8th edition itself as well. Also add in a huge prize raffle and you got a win going on.
AegisGrimm wrote: Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
Don't you mean the "casual observors"
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"Age of Collors"
In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only WOR.
I wen from saying pass on starter and getting box sets to... two box sets in a day, and swapping the nurgle out of both, so 4x numarines content.... yay nu marines!
in the assault guy's shields I se ethem as maybe projectors for shields? like an iron halo does not actually cover the body but emanates an energy field, couldn't those do the same? I am also betting they are not assault marines but in fact flying or jet pack
AegisGrimm wrote: Unfortunately the follow the same naming generator as Stormcast, where everything has 'ors' at the end, and all the names are hard to pick apart to the casual observer.
Don't you mean the "casual observors"
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"Age of Collors"
In the grim darkness of the 41st Millennium, there is only WOR.
G00fySmiley wrote: I wen from saying pass on starter and getting box sets to... two box sets in a day, and swapping the nurgle out of both, so 4x numarines content.... yay nu marines!
in the assault guy's shields I se ethem as maybe projectors for shields? like an iron halo does not actually cover the body but emanates an energy field, couldn't those do the same? I am also betting they are not assault marines but in fact flying or jet pack
Well an Iron Halo plugs directly into the power pack on the back of the space marines power armor. My question would be, where is the power supply in the smgs?
G00fySmiley wrote: I wen from saying pass on starter and getting box sets to... two box sets in a day, and swapping the nurgle out of both, so 4x numarines content.... yay nu marines!
in the assault guy's shields I se ethem as maybe projectors for shields? like an iron halo does not actually cover the body but emanates an energy field, couldn't those do the same? I am also betting they are not assault marines but in fact flying or jet pack
Well an Iron Halo plugs directly into the power pack on the back of the space marines power armor. My question would be, where is the power supply in the smgs?
i mean it is power armor, the power pack is powering more than a halo so maybe conduit in the armor idk, it is just a thought, will be curious when they release full rules, i kind of dig the bolter shield guns though i understand that seems to be an unpopular opinion here of late
G00fySmiley wrote: I wen from saying pass on starter and getting box sets to... two box sets in a day, and swapping the nurgle out of both, so 4x numarines content.... yay nu marines!
in the assault guy's shields I se ethem as maybe projectors for shields? like an iron halo does not actually cover the body but emanates an energy field, couldn't those do the same? I am also betting they are not assault marines but in fact flying or jet pack
Well an Iron Halo plugs directly into the power pack on the back of the space marines power armor. My question would be, where is the power supply in the smgs?
i mean it is power armor, the power pack is powering more than a halo so maybe conduit in the armor idk, it is just a thought, will be curious when they release full rules, i kind of dig the bolter shield guns though i understand that seems to be an unpopular opinion here of late
I have no opinion on them myself. I just don't care. I was just pointing out fluff wise why the SMGs are unlikely to be miniature Iron Halos.
G00fySmiley wrote: I wen from saying pass on starter and getting box sets to... two box sets in a day, and swapping the nurgle out of both, so 4x numarines content.... yay nu marines!
in the assault guy's shields I se ethem as maybe projectors for shields? like an iron halo does not actually cover the body but emanates an energy field, couldn't those do the same? I am also betting they are not assault marines but in fact flying or jet pack
Well an Iron Halo plugs directly into the power pack on the back of the space marines power armor. My question would be, where is the power supply in the smgs?
i mean it is power armor, the power pack is powering more than a halo so maybe conduit in the armor idk, it is just a thought, will be curious when they release full rules, i kind of dig the bolter shield guns though i understand that seems to be an unpopular opinion here of late
Hey, I like them too! Enjoying your hobby is more important than being popular.
i mean it is power armor, the power pack is powering more than a halo so maybe conduit in the armor idk, it is just a thought, will be curious when they release full rules, i kind of dig the bolter shield guns though i understand that seems to be an unpopular opinion here of late
I too like the look of the assault primaris. It's just a different profile than what you see in a lot of marine armies.
i mean it is power armor, the power pack is powering more than a halo so maybe conduit in the armor idk, it is just a thought, will be curious when they release full rules, i kind of dig the bolter shield guns though i understand that seems to be an unpopular opinion here of late
I too like the look of the assault primaris. It's just a different profile than what you see in a lot of marine armies.
yeah, whereas vanilla marines rush in with chain sword via jump packs, these guys, look like they'll be jetting about and spraying down opponents with SMG fire, If what I predict about em comes true, they're likely to be, rules wise, the stand outs of the new Primaris Marines. I mean the other squads are basicly just bigger better Marines, these guys? they're something new.
