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 kronk wrote:

JohnMarik wrote:
Wasn't one of the big things people talking about for this edition that the units will be on war scrolls for free on the internet and not in books so they can be updated, and the books would just be for fluff? This is the exact opposite.

No. The power levels will be free. That's useful for narrative and open gaming.

For matched play, with the more granular points that we're used to, you'll need the books.

My point is look into any post with someone disgruntled about 8th and you'll find enough people saying that the unit summaries will be separate and free allowing for rebalancing, if points aren't on those sheets that can't really happen right? Plus I feel like they went and redefined what "Core Rules" are. When they said all Core Rules would be free I'm sure we all assumed that that had meant the entire core ruleset as we've always taken it. But now it's defined as just the phases.

Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.

If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).

We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.

If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).

We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.

Right, and honestly I don't think that's a bad goal and it's a really good idea. I just feel like they were purposefully misleading which is less "New GW" and just the "Same Ol' GW" which gives me bad feelings lol

Looks good. If those prices turn out to be true, I'll only have to spend about half what I did for the last edition. Might even pick up some objective markers too.

I don't know why everyone is losing their heads over the fact that competitive play rules cost money. It's not like they are just copying Age of Sigmar.

Also, not a fan of the models. They suffer from over-design.

 Elbows wrote:
Also, worth noting (I think) that the NuMarines are heading in the Sigmarine direction...of having squads of guys fully equipped with the same item? This makes building armies easier and essentially future-proofs squads of models, but I think this is a sad sign if we eventually (over the next five years) see the disappearance of mixed-weapons Tactical Squads etc. I think it works of the Eldar aspect warriors (and yes it makes army construction damn easy), but I think the piece-meal nature of a Space Marine Tactical Squad is something rather iconic. Hope that doesn't slowly fade.

But the nurgle marines seem to have different loadouts in the same squad.

Precisely - which is what makes it even more...odd, lol.

It is possible that the mono-weapon design of the Primaris is meant to allow tactical squads to still have a niche in army design. If they could do everything a tactical squad could +1, then tactical squads become almost pointless.

Hopefully these design choices mean that they will continue to support tiny-marines into the new editions.

Most units having a singular loadout is how whfb always was. It would be weird to first say that in the new rules we can shoot from a unit on different targets, and then start a game wide trend of making every unit mono-equipped

a) Why did they give half of the Primaris marines Psychic Hoods?

b) Good god, those jump pack guys are hideous

c) The rest of it looks pretty cool, better save a bit of cash for next month.


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 the Signless wrote:

Hopefully these design choices mean that they will continue to support tiny-marines into the new editions.

I'm not counting on that at all, but we'll see.

I'm not sure whether or not I should get the chaos index. The rules and the forgeworld book are a no brainer, but I feel like the index is gonna be a waste of money if the codex comes out soon after. From the sounds of it, june is going to be packed with releases. The general unit profiles and such will be available for free right? The index is only for points if I understand correctly, so unless you want to play right away there isn't much reason to get the index?

Also I agree with the jump primaris...dear gods are they fugly. Random psychic hoods and shields on their...bolt(er?) pistols. Even the jump pack looks fugly lol, what a mess.

 Roknar wrote:
I'm not sure whether or not I should get the chaos index. The rules and the forgeworld book are a no brainer, but I feel like the index is gonna be a waste of money if the codex comes out soon after. From the sounds of it, june is going to be packed with releases. The general unit profiles and such will be available for free right? The index is only for points if I understand correctly, so unless you want to play right away there isn't much reason to get the index?

Is it soon? Didn't they just say "later" ?

No idea, but with chaos and imperium being the focus I would reckon they get their codex first.
Unless, the books for primaris and DG in the starter set ARE their codex books. Then there really isn't any way to tell what might come first.

Interesting looking new models - makes one wonder what vehicles may come out for these boys.

By the way, what exactly is a Primaris Ancient?

I thought that was a bad choice of words. But I suppose a vat-born primaris that is two weeks old is ancient by comparison to a new marine XD.
Probably enhanced vets?

Looks like that old rumor of "8th Edition in June" came true after all.

Glad to see it, but I wish it was sooner.

 Roknar wrote:
I thought that was a bad choice of words. But I suppose a vat-born primaris that is two weeks old is ancient by comparison to a new marine XD.
Probably enhanced vets?

Actually, if memory serves right, it isn't. A space marine ancient is the the guy who carries around the chapter banner. So these guys are just the same version.

With GW promoting Plasma Guns on the Primaris Marines, has anyone seen if their making "gets hot" obsolete?

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, it does appear that the "free" content is far less than originally teased/indicated. For instances there is a large section of "Advanced Rules" etc. which will not be free. However, if the rules are free for someone to try it out - that's essentially their aim.

If you have the very basic rules and the free (power level) sheets...in theory you can play the free demo (much like on a PC game).

We'll know precisely what we get when it launches I s'pose.

Depends on what they mean by advanced. Hopefully it refers to things like cities of death.

 jeff white wrote:
The hellblasters look like straight plasma but will likely be tricked out.

Looks longer than a regular plasma gun in the same way that the new bolt rifle is longer than the regular bolter. Probably boosts the range to 30" in the same way which will help the fire-support role a bit. Maybe an extra point of AP or immunity to "Gets Hot" (if that is even still a thing in 8th edition).

 amanita wrote:
Interesting looking new models - makes one wonder what vehicles may come out for these boys.

By the way, what exactly is a Primaris Ancient?

I suspect that they will use regular Marine vehicles for the most part with maybe just 1 or 2 special toys.

Possibly the Ancient is a veteran Marine who has gone through the Primaris upgrade procedure. It would make sense to have a small cadre of veteran officers upgraded and assigned to Primaris chapters, just as some companies of Primaris Marines have been sent to reinforce existing Chapters.

Darkagl1 wrote:


Depends on what they mean by advanced. Hopefully it refers to things like cities of death.

That's what it looks like, yes.

Cities of Death, Stronghold Assault, Planetary (something) and so on seem to be the advanced rules in the printed rulebook.


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 amanita wrote:
Interesting looking new models - makes one wonder what vehicles may come out for these boys.

By the way, what exactly is a Primaris Ancient?

They injected a dreadnought with Primaris serum, obviously! Like the Grinch's heart, it grew four sizes that day. Unlike the Grinch's heart, it won't immediately die of cardiac arrest.

Oh right , the plasma primaris. Ancients being a term coined for banner bearers is news to me but then that's fine. Hell blasters on the other hand is facepalm worthy.

kinda dissapointed they put the 280Pages in one book. My back was fond of 7th splitting it into 3 pieces.

Earth127 wrote:
kinda dissapointed they put the 280Pages in one book. My back was fond of 7th splitting it into 3 pieces.

The 7th edition rulebook was 208 pages. Only 72 fewer.

https://www.amazon.com/Warhammer-40000-English-Games-Workshop/dp/1782533184

I was scratching my head on how they can still earn money if the rules were free. You still gotta buy the Index books. Atleast i dont have to buy a 280page book filled with pics and fluff just for rules.

Everything looks and sounds great.

My only (and quite a big) quarrel is that codices will still be subsequently released. Looks like codex creep will be a thing again. I wish they just released yearly (or bi-yearly) Index updates instead. I think GW would actually make more money w/ yearly Index updates, since every player would need to buy them... Oh well.

 Galef wrote:
Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.

I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.

In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US

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War of the heaven. Thougg not suited to play it still link to them

 Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:
My only (and quite a big) quarrel is that codices will still be subsequently released. Looks like codex creep will be a thing again. I wish they just released yearly (or bi-yearly) Index updates instead. I think GW would actually make more money w/ yearly Index updates, since every player would need to buy them... Oh well.

Yeah, this is a thing in AoS too only it is not just codex-creep, it is also codex-lag. Early Battletomes like Seraphon are very underpowered compared to the ones that followed.

Supposedly GW plan to address this by not putting the points on the data sheets, instead these will be in a separate table. That way if GW needs to update a unit or even an army for balance, they can just issue a new points sheet for it in an FAQ. That way the points can be adjusted while the rest of the codex remains valid.

Well, from what I can see, the New Primaris Space Marine are pretty good looking, except their Inceptor and their captain in gravis armor.

The Inceptors models managed to copy the extremely cool Seraphim and come out as twice more stupid. They look uselessly bulky and slow while they should be fast asnd sleek. Suspended like that in mid air they look like a trio of morbidly obese men in low gravity. Despite being produced around 25 years after the Seraphim, they have the same static and boring posing, which, thanks to their bulk, looks even more static and bizarre on them. There is nothing more insuling to Sister of Battle fan than to steal a cool unit from them to then make it ugly and boring.

As for the captain, the gravis armor has the same problem then the terminator armor in my opinion. It looks so heavy and bulky it leaves me to Wonder how can you fight with any sort of dexterity in such a heavy armor. You have extremely narrow field of vision, huge chest plates and even more massive boots than the already massive boots of a standard power armor.

As for the Plague Marines, they do look fine, but I'm not sure if I prefer them to the current models. I prefer a lot more the older, darker colors that made them look dirtier and the option of a few gaunt Plague Marine instead of all of them being bloated. The Bloat Drone and the poxwalkers are very cool though.

I agree, that I think codex/power creep will unfortunately become a thing. The sad thing is that there's no reason for it - editors and game designers simply need to discuss stuff as it's being planned. You can make units "different" without being "more powerful", the two are not exclusive. There are heaps of games throughout history which have expansions/etc. which aren't power-creep, but GW has an AWFUL track record when it comes to this sort of thing.

Regarding the "don't need as much material" approach for this edition. I see that starting to crumble.

+Buy the rulebook.
+Buy the index.
+Buy the real codex.
+Buy the yearly annual which may address/adjust said codices, etc.

I'll be impressed/happy though if the "power level" sheets are free or something - meaning that casual players can just buy the main rulebook and roll from there.