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 Galef wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:

 Galef wrote:
If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?

Probably expanded options, formations and command points that aren't in the indices.

Yeah, basically is the same format as AoS battletomes. Formations, Battle traits, Psychics lores if the army uses them, etc...

So basically it will be unnecessary junk...until players pick up on certain combos that are "must-take" for competitive play? Great

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I assume you can see it that way... they offer more personalization. Theres people that find all of those things unnecesary in AoS too. Personally, as a more narrative Player, I prefer variation, even if it brings some broken combos.

For AoS actually battletomes have been a pretty good thing. For example, the Stormcast Battletome put together the two Stormcast subfactions, nerfed the OP things of the faction, but give it more variation in playstile, doing a pretty good job of balancing the army.
Obviously, if you don't want to play with the "Battletomes/Codices"; I'm sure you could play with the generic Psychic powers and Battletraits, etc... that the core rulebook will have, just like AoS.

 Galef wrote:
If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?

If Age of Sigmar is any indication of GW's current trend on publishing content, then the army books will contain Faction specific Matched Play and Narrative Play rules and add-ons, such as:

- Scenario and "historical" fluff battles
- Warlord Traits
- Artifacts
- "Chapter Tactics" equivalents per sub-faction
- Painting and Conversion guides
- Campagin play ideas
- Faction specific Detachments for different game modes
- Fluff and backstory (especially as the history is moving forward now)
- New units released since the Index books's release

 Galef wrote:


Yeah, basically is the same format as AoS battletomes. Formations, Battle traits, Psychics lores if the army uses them, etc...

So basically it will be unnecessary junk...until players pick up on certain combos that are "must-take" for competitive play? Great

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tneva82 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Galef wrote:

Spoiler:

Necrons being part of the Aeldari book is a head scratcher for sure. T'au or even Orks (who are technically cousins to Eldar) would have made a lot more sense.

I definitely got to get Xenos 1 and Chaos.
I am really glad all the Marines are in the same book. I'll be getting that one too, even though I don't play Marnies.

In fact, if these books end up being less than $30 US, I'll probably get all of them. Undoubtedly there is going to be a bundle with all 5 + main Rules. Hopefully for well under $200 US

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War of the heaven.

I don't really see that as applicable since Orks should also be a part of that and Space Marines/Chaos Marines are not in the same book for "Horus Heresy"
I really thing they just needed X more pages in the Aeldari book and Necrons fit the closest.

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Oh no doubt main reason was just more even but when thinking what force to put necrons make more sense than say tyranids. There's at least SOME thematic connection between them.

Alternatively of course maybe they just rolled dice which other alien army gets mixed in

Or the Xenos were put in alphabetically, as was noticed on another thread: Aeldari, Necrons, Orks, Tau, Tyranids.

So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.

Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?

 Roknar wrote:
So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.

Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?

Battletomes have all the Datasheets/Warscrolls, yes. I'm not sure you'll need the indexs, tought. In AoS you really don't need the Faction Great Books. You have all the warscrolls for free and the points in the GHB or the http://www.scrollbuilder.com/ app.
You can buy them if you want to have all it in paper without printing your own copies.

Looks like I will taking a "sick day" off work on the 17th of june to download and read all of these unit datasheets

 Galas wrote:

 Roknar wrote:
So if all I want is to play Black Legion, is there any point in getting the index if this follows AoS? Short of possibly summoning daemons that is. I'm not missing the traitor knight or the daemons for the time being and I'd be picking up the new version of IA13.

Do the battletomes reprint all relevant datasheets? Or should I get the index just in case?

Battletomes have all the Datasheets/Warscrolls, yes. I'm not sure you'll need the indexs, tought. In AoS you really don't need the Faction Great Books. You have all the warscrolls for free and the points in the GHB or the http://www.scrollbuilder.com/ app.
You can buy them if you want to have all it in paper without printing your own copies.

We don't know when the "Battletomes" will be released (if at all). it may be a few months before they get around to your particular faction. Plus the Index books are likely quite cheap, so they'll be worth getting.

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I will be buying the starter set fo sure, but I am sad I do not get a small pocket rulebook. Unsure on the other stuff as I may wait for them to be digital as erratas etc can be digitally updated rather than needing to print a reference sheet. I am very disappointed though that we have another chaos marines vs vanilla marines starter set. no non astartes love. I mean rowboat is headed to fight some bugs right now why not go in that direction and push some nids!

on the other stuff note. the tool is as useless as it is in AOS and you can get one for a few bucks on ebay. wound counters are just d10s, objective markers are neat but I already scratch built original ones... cards will be purchased though as I love maelstrom and hate eternal war missions

Disappointed that there's no mini-rulebook. The little guy is so much more convenient to have on hand; carrying a textbook around can get annoying.

Oh well, it's certainly not a deal breaker.

I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.

Wayniac wrote:
I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.

Who said the rulebook is $80?


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Disappointed that there's no mini-rulebook. The little guy is so much more convenient to have on hand; carrying a textbook around can get annoying.

Oh well, it's certainly not a deal breaker.

On the other hand, if the core rules really do fit on just a few pages, you may only have to take the reference pamphlet with you.

 Luciferian wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.

Who said the rulebook is $80?

I'm not sure, but I saw someone else say that so probably there. I'm hoping the rules are like 30 bucks

7th edition's rulebook was around $80, but it was a three-volume set with one book each for hobby information and fluff. This is just one book, which is smaller than the previous rulebook alone. I'd say $30-40 is a pretty safe bet.

The price of the rulebook is 45€ for what they have said here. 125€ The starter.

I don't know the price brackets for american dollars.

 Galas wrote:
The price of the rulebook is 45€ for what they have said here. 125€ The starter.

I don't know the price brackets for american dollars.

Thats like 50 for the rules and 140 for the starter set

I may have missed it, but do we know if there will be a "bundle" that includes the core Rules book and all 5 Faction Index books?

If so, how much do we think it will be? (in US dollars please)

 Galef wrote:
I may have missed it, but do we know if there will be a "bundle" that includes the core Rules book and all 5 Faction Index books?

If so, how much do we think it will be? (in US dollars please)

If you looked at the community site page linked in the first post of this page you will see a list of everything that has been announced.

The new jump marines

 Galef wrote:
If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?

new factions. Let's say a a few months time GW releases a buncha new world eater models. they'll release them snd put out a codex for them. or thats my feeling at least

BrianDavion wrote:

 Galef wrote:
If the 5 faction "Index" books are covering every single unit currently playable, then what will the stand-alone Codices even be for?

new factions. Let's say a a few months time GW releases a buncha new world eater models. they'll release them snd put out a codex for them. or thats my feeling at least

I suspect that the Codexes will have updated points costs, new models being released with the new codexes, faction specific stratagems and maybe some faction specific terrain? (The sporecyst should really be a tyranid fortification where you can take 1-3 of them per slot)

Plus fluff updates.

Am I the only one who is going to rapidly become confused by Interceptors and Intercessors?

 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Am I the only one who is going to rapidly become confused by Interceptors and Intercessors?

Not when you say "jump marines" and "plasma marines" or "bolter marines".

I don't think we should read too much into wich Xenos race was put into wich book. It was probably just: "How do the pages fit best?"

 Luciferian wrote:

Wayniac wrote:
I'm a little miffed they said "free rules" and really meant "free BASIC rules" with all the advanced stuff like Cities of Death and Planetary Assault and whatnot being in an $80 rulebook. They technically aren't lying, but it feels a little misleading since when they said "free rules" everyone assumed that meant a free rulebook in PDF, similar to what Privateer Press did with the new edition of Warmachine and Hordes, and not a barebones pamphlet.

Who said the rulebook is $80?


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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
Disappointed that there's no mini-rulebook. The little guy is so much more convenient to have on hand; carrying a textbook around can get annoying.

Oh well, it's certainly not a deal breaker.

On the other hand, if the core rules really do fit on just a few pages, you may only have to take the reference pamphlet with you.

Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?

Wayniac wrote:


Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?

Just chatted with a store owner $60 for the rulebook, and the grab bag codexes are $25 apiece, $160 is spot on for the dark imperium.

Wayniac wrote:
Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?

Prices are now coming in from the independent stockists. UK prices are:

Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00
Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35
Tactical Objective Cards £8.00
Sector Imperialis Objectives £20
Command Dice £12.50
Wound Trackers £8.00
Combat Gauge £6.00
Indices £15.00 each
Dark Imperium Novel £18.00

Euro prices are here, haven't seen any for the rest of the world yet.

http://imgur.com/lbOZ0wW

Wayniac wrote:



Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?

Everything I've seen says 95 British Pounds for the starter set and 35 for the rulebook. That's a pretty big difference if the sources you're referring to are talking about USD.

On the other hand, these are all unsubstantiated rumors, so it could be that all of us are wrong.

Sniped by the good person above.


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Man, the starter set is about $125 in the UK, $140 in the EU and $160 in the US? What gives.

Jump pack Marines = look great!
Death Guard = Fugly and Waaaaaay too busy!

I will buy the box set and trade/sell away the Eye sore army.

 Luciferian wrote:

Wayniac wrote:



Everything I have seen shows $160 for the boxed set and $80 for the rulebook. Maybe the people getting that info were looking at AU/NZ dollars?

Everything I've seen says 95 British Pounds for the starter set and 35 for the rulebook. That's a pretty big difference if the sources you're referring to are talking about USD.

On the other hand, these are all unsubstantiated rumors, so it could be that all of us are wrong.

Sniped by the good person above.


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Man, the starter set is about $125 in the UK, $140 in the EU and $160 in the US? What gives.

They figure with all of those Trump tax cuts we can afford a little more