(post copied from the Ork Forums and adjusted with current info)

Story:
GW is not playing Orks at Adepticon because - and I quote - "It's genuinely is because the studio Ork army is not 4,000 points! No conspiracy theory here - that's the truth! We do love Orks too... trust us!" (this was a response to a fellow Ork player asking why we were excluded from voting which army Game Workshop would bring to Adepticon. Well then... I don't know about this brothers... but I feel a disturbance in the Warp... I see a green light far away on the other side of the galaxy... I hear the sounds of a WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!



Plan:
It's obvious GW would never, under any circumstances, lie to their customers so.... I think it's time we send them reinforcements! Although we're unlikely going to gather enough of a Green Tide for Adepticon we must prepare GW for any future WAAAAGHS! Therefore, I suggest we send A Waaagh to GW!

Sending a Waaagh to GW will consist of every Ork player we can find sending at least 1 Ork Boy model to GW (DO NOT SEND ANYTHING TO ANY INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK FOR GW! Be respectful).

Potential Address (do not send anything negative or dangerous here!!):

Games Workshop Ltd.

Willow Rd.

Lenton

Nottingham

NG7 2WS

Please do it 2nd Class (from UK or cheapest postage from where ever you are because we want this to be fun and not money consuming) on the 28th of March 2018 (or around this date depending on your availability... we gotta make it noticeable). On the package or letter you must scrawl (as noticeable and as Large as you can) WAAAAAAGH AID ENCLOSED!

Inside you may write what ever letter you like but I would suggest something related to them not having 4k points worth of Orks. I personally will be saying something like: Your team at Adepticon said that they couldn't bring Orks because the Studio didn't have 4k points of them, so I thought you might need some help. Here is something to get you started.

Please be aware! I very much doubt GW will take notice (this is more for our own enjoyment and sanity) so don't send you good models because you're unlikely to ever get them back! I would suggest sending 1 unpainted or painted Ork Boy.

What we Hope to accomplish:

Not much... we're Ork players so we're just as "imaginative" as the Orks are! It's really a bit of fun. However, if anything we hope to get some response out of GW, give some attention to Orks for once or at least demonstrate how much we all feel a little underrepresented by GW (despite being one of the original founding factions). In addition, perhaps it might even prove how dedicated the Ork player base still is to seeing the representation of Orks!

PLEASE NOTE! This is in no way intended to harass GW or be aggressive in anyway. It's simply a bit of fun from the Ork community to show how strong we can all be! I do not (and I hope the community agrees) condone any negativity put in those letters and packages! I do not want you in anyway to send anything negative at all or anything that might hurt a staff member at GW! I'm serious guys! If GW is going to take us seriously at least act like an adult!)

So spread the word to every Ork player you know! Even copy and paste this if you need too and post it on other forums! LET'S SEND THE WAAAAAAGH!

If you have any suggestions please post below! Again, we don't want to harm anyone at GW so please be respectful when sending your Boyz!

EDITS 1:

FAQ 1: Over the bast few days we have had a few concerns and questions regarding the movement. I have decided to write this to maybe help iron out some stuff. Think of this like a FAQ... apart from they'll probably come more often than GW does them! EYYYYYYY! (bad joke I know)

The purpose of this movement has being questioned a few times by a few people. They either (the following is not a complete lists of complaints and concerns) A. can't understand why we would send GW their own products. or B. believe this is a movement created by Ork players because we are angry at GW for not bringing out our codex or ignoring us. I don't want to cast any shame on these people as they are valid concerns and points.

Well in response I personally (I can't vouch for the others leading this campaign) have answers to both concerns.

This movement was not created or pushed because we are angry at GW as Ork players. Sure, Ork players are angry. However, if anything, anger and Adepticon just gave us the excuse to start this movement. The purpose (from my point of view) is to push a community Ork event that involves as many Ork players and none Ork players as possible! Through this event we hoped to bring people together in appreciation for Orks. In addition, we hope that you post screenshots of the model you are going to send as well as stories of why you love Orks (maybe even stories of your favourite Ork moments)! In fact I hope in the letter you send to GW you also add a note explaining why you love Orks and why Orks should be played more by the GW team. Let's turn those negative Ork emotions into good Ork emotions! An Ork doesn't sit around and cry! He gets up and solves his problem! Although probably through hitting it or colliding a moon into it. Hell, if you're not an Ork player I would love you to still get involved and tell us your favourite moments fighting Orks!

This leads me to another mission this team hopes to achieve! To involve every 40k player not just Orks! We hope that players will go out and buy the cheapest Ork models (or have one laying around) and learn to paint those Ork models up. Then you would send one of those models away while keeping the other 3 as a sort of trophy of your achievements as a painter. By doing this we hope the person might even learn to appreciate the art of painting Orks and perhaps (is they're feeling heretical enough) buy more Ork models in the future to paint for themselves and their shelves! This event might make a few Ork players out of you yet!

This leads me to my finale statement for now. What else can you do to make this movement successful? We have had a few suggestions to help Orks out and help make this campaign a positive movement. If you wish (you don't have to) feel free to enclose with your letter a few suggestions to the GW team regarding how Orks play in 40k. The Ork codex is likely a long ways a way so it's very much possible any suggestions or concerns you have might even be heard by the GW team. In that way we can turn this movement into not only a fun community event, but also a useful one! Again, this is option and wasn't the intended purpose but it's a good suggestion from a few Ork players nonetheless! Regardless, the easiest way to help with this is to just share pictures of your Orks and this movement here, on a forums or even on social media.

So keep up the Ork painting and make sure to post screenshots and stories! WAAAAAAAAGH!

I love this! I'm purchasing an Ork right now so I can take part

I think if every Ork player that sees this sent 1 painted Ork boy to GW, they'd have enough for their 4000 points.

HOWEVER, I also don't think GW should be playing a Sea of Green at Adepticon. They want to do well, which doesn't mean they can't play Orks, but it does mean that playing Orks correctly takes more time than other players, so it'll hurt their chances of getting full games in, which hurts both their chances of winning AND of selling their brand.

For this reason, I picked Chaos as the army they should bring.

 Yarium wrote:
I think if every Ork player that sees this sent 1 painted Ork boy to GW, they'd have enough for their 4000 points.

HOWEVER, I also don't think GW should be playing a Sea of Green at Adepticon. They want to do well, which doesn't mean they can't play Orks, but it does mean that playing Orks correctly takes more time than other players, so it'll hurt their chances of getting full games in, which hurts both their chances of winning AND of selling their brand.

For this reason, I picked Chaos as the army they should bring.

It's not really about that. It's about sending a message that's it's funny they don't have 4K points worth of Orks. XD Also the Ork Boyz was because we don't want people to spend more than £5 on the models and postage. We would, in the future, like to see Orks at least be an Option for GW to pick when going to tournaments.

Who knows, maybe the models will be featured in a huge diorama in Warhammer World or something like that...

 corpuschain wrote:
Who knows, maybe the models will be featured in a huge diorama in Warhammer World or something like that...

TBH, at this point any good attention (even like this) would be good enough to do the Ork community for years. XD

I like the idea
Any adress?

Now this is how you do it right. Great idea.

I like this idea because it's funny and not mean-spirited. I think things like this are much more likely to have an impact than just yelling at GW online.

I'll be putting a few of my extra models in the mail.

 petitflacheur wrote:
I like the idea
Any adress?

I originally had an address but I took it down because I didn't want GW to feel like we were targeting a specific group at their HQ. I've now put it up as a potential address but feel free to send it to any other GW office if you're unable to send overseas. (not sure if they have offices in the USA or such... but probably best sending to the main HQ) (DO NOT SEND TO INDIVIDUALS!!!)

I'm in!

Though a painted Ork (three colour standard :-)) would be best - don't want them saying they don't have time to get the army painted.

For postage purposes, if the package is under 1" thick, it goes as 'Large Letter', about £0.78. So, send it unassembled for best results, and certainly not attached to the base.

I'll link this to as many Forums/Clubs as possible.

Cheers,

I'm going to try to hunt down some chaga to send in as well. Some fungus tea to go along with the violent space fungus seems fitting.

This sounds perfect;

I wouldn't restrict yourself to sending just a Boy model - it should be any unit type; that said, I would limit yourself to a single model sent.

It'd do well if they got a mix of units for their army, but, we also don't want to be sending them a full army at once (at least not from a single person).

I really hope this idea does well. I love the enthusiasm behind it.

I'm in, I have one or two spare models kicking about.

I have my Nob ready to send in the post as soon as that date hits! I'll be sending mine 1st class tracked to make sure they get it!

I have an old metal skorcher boy that could lend it's help to the WAAAAGH, see if I can find him when I get home.

If enough people do this, who knows? This may go down in history as "The Great Communal Waaagh!"

 lolman1c wrote:
I have my Nob ready to send in the post as soon as that date hits!

Seems a little extreme, but I admire your dedication. Might need some form of refrigerated packaging, though.

 Dysartes wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I have my Nob ready to send in the post as soon as that date hits!

Seems a little extreme, but I admire your dedication. Might need some form of refrigerated packaging, though.

eyyyyyyy!!!!! That's the kinda jokes we need in this Waaaaagh!

@ dsyartes: lol :p

I'm in, stille have a spare ork lying around from a painting contest; he keeps trying to blend in in my grot revolution, but it doens't really work

I applaud this plan. While this could be viewed as a cynical poke at them I think it is a phenomenal message to GW to show them that we have dedicated our money, time and our brains to the ork way of life and they should appreciate us and the best army they ever made.

I'm gonna send them an ork boy and a nob with PK plus a converted Orruk shaman (counts as weirdboy) as well so they can get their army up to speed with some da jumping.

That's as absurd as sending a couple bottles of Coca Cola to the Coca Cola office.

 koooaei wrote:
That's as absurd as sending a couple bottles of Coca Cola to the Coca Cola office.

I think absurdity is the complete purpose of this process. It highlights the absurdity of the reason GW quoted. To continue your analogy it would be the same as the coca-cola office going to a marketing event but only taking Sprite with them because they didn't have enough of their other products.

 Nithaniel wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
That's as absurd as sending a couple bottles of Coca Cola to the Coca Cola office.

I think absurdity is the complete purpose of this process. It highlights the absurdity of the reason GW quoted. To continue your analogy it would be the same as the coca-cola office going to a marketing event but only taking Sprite with them because they didn't have enough of their other products.

Exsactly this! I've seen enough Orks by GW to know they're either lying or threw all their orks away. It's more about sending a message and having a bit of Orkish fun! Who else could do something so futile but expect a result? And might even get one! Orks Orks ORKS!

I'd so donate to this cause... if I had a boy :(

 Zid wrote:
I'd so donate to this cause... if I had a boy :(

Feel free to send them a letter or email encouraging them to look into playing Orks more.


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Reddit post up to bring in more support. Feel free to up vote: https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/855emm/send_the_waaagh_to_gw_28th_of_march/

Finally, a use for all of my Gorkamorka era plastic trukks and buggies!

Pink Horror wrote:
Finally, a use for all of my Gorkamorka era plastic trukks and buggies!

Dude, don;t send them to GW! They'll melt um down! These are relics that need to be taken good care of! (maybe not the trukk... that thing is ugly! )

I'd not send em anything OOP.

as for GW lacking a 4000 point army of Orks I can see it, Orks are, as I understand it, pretty cheap, (points wise) so it's possiable their studio army is just only 3000 points

BrianDavion wrote:
I'd not send em anything OOP.

as for GW lacking a 4000 point army of Orks I can see it, Orks are, as I understand it, pretty cheap, (points wise) so it's possiable their studio army is just only 3000 points

No, this is a misunderstanding in 8th edition. Our stuff is actually more expensive than most marine stuff. Even before the marine codex our long range weapons are worse yet some how equal to or the same price as marine weapons. Our trukks cost more than rhinos. The stompa is 900-1100pts (no joke). Our deff dreads cost about the same as a dreadnought.... and so on... it's the reason why anything but boyz isn't competitive to players. But this is a discussion for the ork nerf thread.

 lolman1c wrote:
(DO NOT SEND ANYTHING TO ANY INDIVIDUALS WHO WORK FOR GW! Be respectful).

This disclaimer made me laugh more than it should've.

 Zid wrote:
I'd so donate to this cause... if I had a boy :(

Just buy the 4 pack online and ship it to them

 Jidmah wrote:

 Zid wrote:
I'd so donate to this cause... if I had a boy :(

Just buy the 4 pack online and ship it to them

I am more than happy for people to send just a letter telling them they should focus on Orks more (or even a faction they don't see too much). The Boyz thing was just for Ork players. It's like every tribe sending a boy a way to help the poor Orks at GW who never get to Waaagh.

If you send them exclusively boyz, they'll end up with a competitive army and think that orks are fine as is.

I'm gonna send them a boy with a big shoota

I'm heading down to WHW next week, wonder if there's anyone there I can offer a Boy to?

 mrhappyface wrote:
I'm heading down to WHW next week, wonder if there's anyone there I can offer a Boy to?

haha, just go up to a GW member and go "I hear you need some Waagh Aid" and then hand them a boy and walk away

 lolman1c wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I'm heading down to WHW next week, wonder if there's anyone there I can offer a Boy to?

haha, just go up to a GW member and go "I hear you need some Waagh Aid" and then hand them a boy and walk away

Maybe I should interupt the WarhammerTV stream with my offering, get some good TV coverage for our plight.

 mrhappyface wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

 mrhappyface wrote:
I'm heading down to WHW next week, wonder if there's anyone there I can offer a Boy to?

haha, just go up to a GW member and go "I hear you need some Waagh Aid" and then hand them a boy and walk away

Maybe I should interupt the WarhammerTV stream with my offering, get some good TV coverage for our plight.

No, don't do anything disruptive and give them a reason to hate Ork players.

Don't you mean 'another reason'? I speak in jest.

Not much happening at Warseer or 40k Online. Da Waaagh and Bolter & Chainsword have got the message.

I have spare Orks to contribute to The Cause - anyone need an Ork Boy?

This is pretty funny! I'd love to participate, is there like a date I should be gunning for?
(I'd have to figure out how I'm gonna get some Orks, then how to get 'em to Nottingham from Korea)

No worries - PM me your supporting letter, I'll send a boy with mine.

Moriarty wrote:
Don't you mean 'another reason'? I speak in jest.

Not much happening at Warseer or 40k Online. Da Waaagh and Bolter & Chainsword have got the message.

I have spare Orks to contribute to The Cause - anyone need an Ork Boy?

Good. On reddit we got over 300 up votes I think with lots of support. But the bolt and chainsword people seem to not get it. They genuinely think we're idiots who believe GW will actually use the models to make an army... clearly didn't even bother to read the full post... it's not about giving GW actual help (they can walk 2 feet and open their own box of boyz) It's about sending a message that Ork players feel left out and it's a but of fun to bring the community together! Well let's leave them out! If this gets some traction then they'll miss out, if it doesn't then so what. They'll never know.

 lolman1c wrote:


Good. On reddit we got over 300 up votes I think with lots of support. But the bolt and chainsword people seem to not get it. They genuinely think we're idiots who believe GW will actually use the models to make an army... clearly didn't even bother to read the full post... it's not about giving GW actual help (they can walk 2 feet and open their own box of boyz) It's about sending a message that Ork players feel left out and it's a but of fun to bring the community together! Well let's leave them out! If this gets some traction then they'll miss out, if it doesn't then so what. They'll never know.

No, its not that us people on the B&C don't get it, its that we think its a bad idea. Or at least the two of us that responded to the post do. There is no part of my brain that thinks GW would use these models, and yes, we did read the post. What my brain thinks is that the Ork community as a whole needs to quit feeling left out when we haven't even gotten a release date for our codex yet. How can you sit here and feel left out, and organize a campaign to send in Ork models to GW, when there are other armies besides is that also don't have a codex yet, and we have no idea what is going to be in ours? I get that it sucks that Orks can really only run mass boys lists right now. I play mechanized Ork myself. But we literally have zero clue what will be in our dex. It could be fantastic. What it -will- be at minimum is better than the index, and given the index is better than anything Orks have received since 3rd/4th edition, I'm not seeing why the Ork community should be so up in arms that they think sending in models to GW is warranted. Look, my post on the B&C sums it up best. Agree or disagree, this is my opinion:

Honestly, think about it. You're a company that produces miniatures and wargaming material. You have released more codex's, FAQs, Errata, and miniatures in the last year than ever before. Your company has taken a complete 180 degree turn from the direction they were in a year ago. Despite all of these things, you now have a portion of your customer base sending you plastic Orks in the mail because you decided not to put them up as an option for an Adepticon poll. How then would you be inclined to treat that particular customer base?

Sending GW a bunch of Orks in the mail is not going to accomplish anything. If anything, it will just further drive a wedge between them and the Ork community. Its bad enough we don't heve anyone working at GW that truly knows Orks. Starting what I would consider a rude badgering campaign against GW will likely just make them quit taking the Ork community seriously. I swear, the whining from Ork players in general is as bad as the Chaos community was back during 7th edition. If other Ork players are tired of it already, Im sure GW is too. So imagine how well its going to go over with them when they receive a bunch of random Orks in the post. Probably not very well. -You- may mean it to be all in good fun, but -they- will likely not receive it that way. There is this saying that goes "perception is reality." I would be inclined to perceive receiving my own products in the mail poorly, not constructively.

Like I said, the best way to enact change is to be active in the community and give GW solid feedback about what works, what doesn't, and what we want/need. Not throwing what Im sure GW will see as a hissy fit via postbox <_<

And I stand by that opinion. Regardless of the quality of the paintjob, or how funny or lighthearted your letter will be, I doubt GW is going to take it that way. Its childish and unneeded. What would be better would be the Ork community coming together and creating constructive and well thought out feedback on units and mechanics that Orks need to see with the codex and then sending it in via the official email they made specifically for that purpose. But no, lets just send in Ork models and a cheeky letter instead of doing something that is both professional and impactful as a community.

@Kaldoth - The premier 40k xenos army, which has been a classic space marine enemy (since the beginning of Rogue Trader and beyond), has less Studio points dedicated to it than Imperial/Dark Eldar counterparts - it's a travesty for the oldest and most populous 40k race (in fluff and in players);

It's not about actually building GW an army - it's about building a community; and in what better way is there to show GW that Ork players are still here, then to mob up in a traditional boy fashion, and have each warlord throw a model in to support the Waaagh!.

At the end of the day, provided all the models end up in the same location after all is said and done, they'll be likely to group all of the donated Orks into one big warband, and take a picture - it'd make a great community outreach/coming together opportunity; plus a great lead-in to the Ork Codex previews when they do start showing up.

It's not about physically building GW an army, it's about building GW a community - and showing them that we're here, and having a good time regardless of how things go - simply, it's for a laugh, and some fun; for GW, and for the community.

Kaldoth wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:


Good. On reddit we got over 300 up votes I think with lots of support. But the bolt and chainsword people seem to not get it. They genuinely think we're idiots who believe GW will actually use the models to make an army... clearly didn't even bother to read the full post... it's not about giving GW actual help (they can walk 2 feet and open their own box of boyz) It's about sending a message that Ork players feel left out and it's a but of fun to bring the community together! Well let's leave them out! If this gets some traction then they'll miss out, if it doesn't then so what. They'll never know.

No, its not that us people on the B&C don't get it, its that we think its a bad idea. Or at least the two of us that responded to the post do. There is no part of my brain that thinks GW would use these models, and yes, we did read the post. What my brain thinks is that the Ork community as a whole needs to quit feeling left out when we haven't even gotten a release date for our codex yet. How can you sit here and feel left out, and organize a campaign to send in Ork models to GW, when there are other armies besides is that also don't have a codex yet, and we have no idea what is going to be in ours? I get that it sucks that Orks can really only run mass boys lists right now. I play mechanized Ork myself. But we literally have zero clue what will be in our dex. It could be fantastic. What it -will- be at minimum is better than the index, and given the index is better than anything Orks have received since 3rd/4th edition, I'm not seeing why the Ork community should be so up in arms that they think sending in models to GW is warranted. Look, my post on the B&C sums it up best. Agree or disagree, this is my opinion:

Honestly, think about it. You're a company that produces miniatures and wargaming material. You have released more codex's, FAQs, Errata, and miniatures in the last year than ever before. Your company has taken a complete 180 degree turn from the direction they were in a year ago. Despite all of these things, you now have a portion of your customer base sending you plastic Orks in the mail because you decided not to put them up as an option for an Adepticon poll. How then would you be inclined to treat that particular customer base?

Sending GW a bunch of Orks in the mail is not going to accomplish anything. If anything, it will just further drive a wedge between them and the Ork community. Its bad enough we don't heve anyone working at GW that truly knows Orks. Starting what I would consider a rude badgering campaign against GW will likely just make them quit taking the Ork community seriously. I swear, the whining from Ork players in general is as bad as the Chaos community was back during 7th edition. If other Ork players are tired of it already, Im sure GW is too. So imagine how well its going to go over with them when they receive a bunch of random Orks in the post. Probably not very well. -You- may mean it to be all in good fun, but -they- will likely not receive it that way. There is this saying that goes "perception is reality." I would be inclined to perceive receiving my own products in the mail poorly, not constructively.

Like I said, the best way to enact change is to be active in the community and give GW solid feedback about what works, what doesn't, and what we want/need. Not throwing what Im sure GW will see as a hissy fit via postbox <_<

And I stand by that opinion. Regardless of the quality of the paintjob, or how funny or lighthearted your letter will be, I doubt GW is going to take it that way. Its childish and unneeded. What would be better would be the Ork community coming together and creating constructive and well thought out feedback on units and mechanics that Orks need to see with the codex and then sending it in via the official email they made specifically for that purpose. But no, lets just send in Ork models and a cheeky letter instead of doing something that is both professional and impactful as a community.

Firstly, we have for many years being sending plenty of suggestions to GW regarding Orks and so far have had little to no feedback to suggest any of it got through or even is cared by GW. To even suggest the index is better than anything for nearly 15+ years is like hanging a grot upside down and shooting at him and saying "well, at least he is not being tore apart like every other grot before him". Look at CA for an example. There was little there to give hope to the Ork community and I don't need to go down the countless threads that have discussed the problems in that book regarding Orks. I don't know how any Ork player can sit there for that amount of time and still give their trust to GW. I for one am shocked this is such a positive movement to help relievesome of the stress of the Ork community.

Hoever, this has nothing to do with the campaign. Moreover, this is not a response to the codex not having a date. That is not mentioned once anywhere in the post. If anything this is one of two things. First, it's a community event to build excitement and support for Orks. Bring everyone together to tell stories about what they sent, what they painted. People who have no need to paint orks are actually buying Orks and learning to paint them just to do this. We're spreading the hobby and love of Orks to people who may have never even thought about Orks before. Hell, who knows... we may even have made a few Ork players out of people because they enjoyed painting the model so much. Second, this could be more of a response to years of neglect to one of the founding factions of 40k. Again, you call this a negative movement saying we're "up in arms". I've composed and edited this post to be as positive as possible. I may personally dislike how GW have treated Orks but I have not pushed that in any way when copy and pasting this post from the organisers. I more believe the Adepticon thing was just an excuse to for the creator to just want people to paint some orks and show GW we love orks!

Secondly, you call this childish and destructive. Having a bit of a laugh using some brittish humour is not childish. Live a little and realise that having fun is for all ages. Your criticisms are based off of theoretical ideas that GW might not like us sending Orks to them in support of seeing more official Ork armies played. There is no proof this in any way will damage relations with the community. In fact, it may bring a smile to GW's face that so many people care about their products. Or, like you said, it may cause them to be angry. Who knows, but I think having a go is a great way to find out.

fe40k wrote:
@Kaldoth - The premier 40k xenos army, which has been a classic space marine enemy (since the beginning of Rogue Trader and beyond), has less Studio points dedicated to it than Imperial/Dark Eldar counterparts - it's a travesty for the oldest and most populous 40k race (in fluff and in players);

It's not about actually building GW an army - it's about building a community; and in what better way is there to show GW that Ork players are still here, then to mob up in a traditional boy fashion, and have each warlord throw a model in to support the Waaagh!.

At the end of the day, provided all the models end up in the same location after all is said and done, they'll be likely to group all of the donated Orks into one big warband, and take a picture - it'd make a great community outreach/coming together opportunity; plus a great lead-in to the Ork Codex previews when they do start showing up.

It's not about physically building GW an army, it's about building GW a community - and showing them that we're here, and having a good time regardless of how things go - simply, it's for a laugh, and some fun; for GW, and for the community.

Read my post again.

Do you now understand that I know its not about giving GW an army, and how there are more productive ways to enact change than sending them Orks in the mail, which is a completely non-productive way to go about doing that?

If not, read my post again until it makes sense, because I literally addressed all of that numerous times.

Firstly, we have for many years being sending plenty of suggestions to GW regarding Orks and so far have had little to no feedback to suggest any of it got through or even is cared by GW. To even suggest the index is better than anything for nearly 15+ years is like hanging a grot upside down and shooting at him and saying "well, at least he is not being tore apart like every other grot before him". Look at CA for an example. There was little there to give hope to the Ork community and I don't need to go down the countless threads that have discussed the problems in that book regarding Orks. I don't know how any Ork player can sit there for that amount of time and still give their trust to GW. I for one am shocked this is such a positive movement to help relievesome of the stress of the Ork community.

Hoever, this has nothing to do with the campaign. Moreover, this is not a response to the codex not having a date. That is not mentioned once anywhere in the post. If anything this is one of two things. First, it's a community event to build excitement and support for Orks. Bring everyone together to tell stories about what they sent, what they painted. People who have no need to paint orks are actually buying Orks and learning to paint them just to do this. We're spreading the hobby and love of Orks to people who may have never even thought about Orks before. Hell, who knows... we may even have made a few Ork players out of people because they enjoyed painting the model so much. Second, this could be more of a response to years of neglect to one of the founding factions of 40k. Again, you call this a negative movement saying we're "up in arms". I've composed and edited this post to be as positive as possible. I may personally dislike how GW have treated Orks but I have not pushed that in any way when copy and pasting this post from the organisers. I more believe the Adepticon thing was just an excuse to for the creator to just want people to paint some orks and show GW we love orks!

Secondly, you call this childish and destructive. Having a bit of a laugh using some brittish humour is not childish. Live a little and realise that having fun is for all ages. Your criticisms are based off of theoretical ideas that GW might not like us sending Orks to them in support of seeing more official Ork armies played. There is no proof this in any way will damage relations with the community. In fact, it may bring a smile to GW's face that so many people care about their products. Or, like you said, it may cause them to be angry. Who knows, but I think having a go is a great way to find out.

Again, I posted my opinion. I think its a bad idea, especially if its backed by British humor But hey, just as I'm allowed to voice my opinion, y'all are allowed yours. What I won't stand for is being accused of not reading or being intelligent enough to discern the intent behind this whole thing. I in no way am trying to stop anybody, nor do I have any delusions that I could even if I wanted to. At the end of the day, you're going to do what you are going to do. I just look at this and see it ending badly. I guess the best thing I could say is ask yourself what would be more likely to make the Codex a good book and get us some some updated models:

-500 Ork players coming together, penning a document (or multiple documents) discussing the various issues Ork players have, why there is this feeling of animosity and distrust towards GW, what can be done to fix it, what problems there are with Orks, what is bad in the index, what is good, what we need, what we want, etc, and then undersigning that document as a community

OR

-500 Ork players sending 500 Ork boyz in the mail

Sorry, but I err on the side of professionalism.

Why are you getting all defensive? I never said you weren't intelligent. I was just trying to assure you the real reason why it was happening in case you were negative because you just thought it was a bunch of people venting their frustration and not a genuine cause to get Ork players together for something. Because I genuinely see nothing wrong with the community doing this. You're actually making me feel a bit defensive like I need to prove to you I'm not an idiot.

And ask yourself honestly this... why can't we do both campaigns? Feel free to start your own campaign to gather a large document to send to GW. I wouldn't be against that idea.

And please don't use the get 'out of jail free card': "it's my opinion". There is a difference between opinion and just being rude. You could have happily gone "Here is my criticisms and concerns... but I wish you the best of luck anyway". But you just went on and decided to call us "childish" and unprofessional. Forgive me if I don't feel taken back by this unnecessary insult towards something that has picked up a lot of positive momentum.

I guess here is my opinion (I wanted to hold this off because you'll probably twist it and use it against me like a lot of people do here but... here we go): It just seems very bitter. It reminds me of when my mate was attacked for hosting charity events to help raise awareness for prostate cancer and the people would tell her she would be of more help if she got a medical degree and actually tried to find a cure. Then they would walk off and not actually do anything themselves... But I wish you the best of luck and genuinely hope this encourages you to make your own campaigns to help improve Orks. Any movement looking to change Orks positively is a good movement and will likely have my support.

 lolman1c wrote:
Why are you getting all defensive? I never said you weren't intelligent. I was just trying to assure you the real reason why it was happening in case you were negative because you just thought it was a bunch of people venting their frustration and not a genuine cause to get Ork players together for something. Because I genuinely see nothing wrong with the community doing this. You're actually making me feel a bit defensive like I need to prove to you I'm not an idiot.

And ask yourself honestly this... why can't we do both campaigns? Feel free to start your own campaign to gather a large document to send to GW. I wouldn't be against that idea.

And please don't use the get 'out of jail free card': "it's my opinion". There is a difference between opinion and just being rude. You could have happily gone "Here is my criticisms and concerns... but I wish you the best of luck anyway". But you just went on and decided to call us "childish" and unprofessional. Forgive me if I don't feel taken back by this unnecessary insult towards something that has picked up a lot of positive momentum.

I guess here is my opinion (I wanted to hold this off because you'll probably twist it and use it against me like a lot of people do here but... here we go): It just seems very bitter. It reminds me of when my mate was attacked for hosting charity events to help raise awareness for prostate cancer and the people would tell her she would be of more help if she got a medical degree and actually tried to find a cure. Then they would walk off and not actually do anything themselves... But I wish you the best of luck and genuinely hope this encourages you to make your own campaigns to help improve Orks. Any movement looking to change Orks positively is a good movement and will likely have my support.

I'm not being defensive, nor was it my intention to make anyone else feel the need to be defensive. Text on a webpage often loses inflection and tone when read. Seriously, that wasn't my intention, nor did I have any intention to be rude. So, in that regard I do apologize However, I am a very blunt person, and I always will be. I think sending GW a bunch of Orks in the mail is very childish and an ill conceived way of making changes. Positive momentum and a community of players coming together is usually good. When it isnt good is when it comes together to do something that will likely move them further away from what they want, which is a competitive and fun Codex that reflects the true character of Orks and some good model kits that give us the freedom to loot and convert like Ork players have always loved doing.

To answer your question of "why not both," to that I don't have an answer. Actually, if everyone sending these models off enclosed a copy of something the Ork community came up with as a group in regards to balancing our dex and updating our units, I feel like that would work quite well. Its still taking a shot at GW and having a bit of fun, but also reinforces the fact that Ork players are a community of people who all care about our army and want to see it done right when the dex finally drops because multiple copies of the same player-made document would be sent in with it. On its own, sending in models to GW with some cheeky letters still seems like a bad idea to me. However, after reading your last response and reflecting on my own thinking, I suppose that a wall of text saying "Ork players are mad because x, give us y, get rid of z" spanning several pages would likely be skimmed and tossed aside without any way to prove everyone who undersigned it actually took part in creating it. Documents are always boring, and I will admit while I don't like the idea, sending GW Orks in the mail does have shock value.

Again, apologies if I came off as rude or disrespectful. Not my intention. Just voicing my opinion.

To answer your question of "why not both," to that I don't have an answer. Actually, if everyone sending these models off enclosed a copy of something the Ork community came up with as a group in regards to balancing our dex and updating our units, I feel like that would work quite well. Its still taking a shot at GW and having a bit of fun, but also reinforces the fact that Ork players are a community of people who all care about our army and want to see it done right when the dex finally drops because multiple copies of the same player-made document would be sent in with it. On its own, sending in models to GW with some cheeky letters still seems like a bad idea to me. However, after reading your last response and reflecting on my own thinking, I suppose that a wall of text saying "Ork players are mad because x, give us y, get rid of z" spanning several pages would likely be skimmed and tossed aside without any way to prove everyone who undersigned it actually took part in creating it. Documents are always boring, and I will admit while I don't like the idea, sending GW Orks in the mail does have shock value.

TBH, if you had just said this I wouldn't have become defensive. And in fact I like this and will even be adding it to an edited version of the post. I think it's good if we encourage people to send suggestions as well!

 lolman1c wrote:

To answer your question of "why not both," to that I don't have an answer. Actually, if everyone sending these models off enclosed a copy of something the Ork community came up with as a group in regards to balancing our dex and updating our units, I feel like that would work quite well. Its still taking a shot at GW and having a bit of fun, but also reinforces the fact that Ork players are a community of people who all care about our army and want to see it done right when the dex finally drops because multiple copies of the same player-made document would be sent in with it. On its own, sending in models to GW with some cheeky letters still seems like a bad idea to me. However, after reading your last response and reflecting on my own thinking, I suppose that a wall of text saying "Ork players are mad because x, give us y, get rid of z" spanning several pages would likely be skimmed and tossed aside without any way to prove everyone who undersigned it actually took part in creating it. Documents are always boring, and I will admit while I don't like the idea, sending GW Orks in the mail does have shock value.

TBH, if you had just said this I wouldn't have become defensive. And in fact I like this and will even be adding it to an edited version of the post. I think it's good if we encourage people to send suggestions as well!

Rather than sending in separate suggestions, I think it would be better if some people from the online Ork community actually came together one day before the post day for your Ork models and hashed out a document that addressed the issues Ork players have currently. The reason I say this is it is very easy for Joe in the U.S. to send in an Ork and say "Ork nobs need to be T5, not T4" and for Jim to send in a letter saying "Ork nobs need to be 3+, not 4+." IE, if many people from many different parts of the world were all sending in the exact same sheet of paper with their signature at the bottom of it, that would let GW know that "Hey, this is what we ALL want," rather than having to sift through a bunch of one-off suggestions about specific units and the like. I know I'd be willing to sit down and hash something like that out with other players from around the world for a few hours on a weekend.

Edit: Then again, getting the Ork community together is a bit like herding grots. Sooooo who knows if that would even be possible

Kaldoth wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:

To answer your question of "why not both," to that I don't have an answer. Actually, if everyone sending these models off enclosed a copy of something the Ork community came up with as a group in regards to balancing our dex and updating our units, I feel like that would work quite well. Its still taking a shot at GW and having a bit of fun, but also reinforces the fact that Ork players are a community of people who all care about our army and want to see it done right when the dex finally drops because multiple copies of the same player-made document would be sent in with it. On its own, sending in models to GW with some cheeky letters still seems like a bad idea to me. However, after reading your last response and reflecting on my own thinking, I suppose that a wall of text saying "Ork players are mad because x, give us y, get rid of z" spanning several pages would likely be skimmed and tossed aside without any way to prove everyone who undersigned it actually took part in creating it. Documents are always boring, and I will admit while I don't like the idea, sending GW Orks in the mail does have shock value.

TBH, if you had just said this I wouldn't have become defensive. And in fact I like this and will even be adding it to an edited version of the post. I think it's good if we encourage people to send suggestions as well!

Rather than sending in separate suggestions, I think it would be better if some people from the online Ork community actually came together one day before the post day for your Ork models and hashed out a document that addressed the issues Ork players have currently. The reason I say this is it is very easy for Joe in the U.S. to send in an Ork and say "Ork nobs need to be T5, not T4" and for Jim to send in a letter saying "Ork nobs need to be 3+, not 4+." IE, if many people from many different parts of the world were all sending in the exact same sheet of paper with their signature at the bottom of it, that would let GW know that "Hey, this is what we ALL want," rather than having to sift through a bunch of one-off suggestions about specific units and the like. I know I'd be willing to sit down and hash something like that out with other players from around the world for a few hours on a weekend.

Edit: Then again, getting the Ork community together is a bit like herding grots. Sooooo who knows if that would even be possible

I would suggest doing a thread on Dakka Dakka for that or on the Ork Da WAAAAGH forums. Please feel free to do it 1 week before and send me the PDF and I'll make sure to send it.

Just 1 more week to go! How we all comming a long?

Mine's gone today - gotz to be the first one in :-)

This reminds me of the time someone had the idea that to show gw that sisters should be updated everyone should buy sisters models on a regular period to promote updating the army.

I say: go for it. If you're familiar with their track record and think spending more money will fix the problems: hey it's your money, do what you will.

I won't be participating. But don't let that stop you.

They just announced plastic sisters so it may have worked!

GW is a business. Though I appreciate the lighthearted, possibly comedic idea of sending a Boy to GW so they can drum up enough points to play 4k at Adepticon, the best way to get them to pay attention to the playerbase is to do exactly what SOB players have done for the past 10 years - complain.

Their recent actions have proven that they are listening and considering comments from the community.

Make your opinions on our lack of codex, lack of new models and anything else you're upset about known publicly on their facebook group. Support others who share your opinion and do the same. This is the only way we will get heard.

I'm about to paint up my model and I'll send it next week.

 Nithaniel wrote:
They just announced plastic sisters so it may have worked!

Haha! I know right! Someone goes "This Sisters players never get anything so I doubt you will" And boom! Sisters of Battle are announced! This gives me a lot of hope for this campaign!


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 An Actual Englishman wrote:
GW is a business. Though I appreciate the lighthearted, possibly comedic idea of sending a Boy to GW so they can drum up enough points to play 4k at Adepticon, the best way to get them to pay attention to the playerbase is to do exactly what SOB players have done for the past 10 years - complain.

Their recent actions have proven that they are listening and considering comments from the community.

Make your opinions on our lack of codex, lack of new models and anything else you're upset about known publicly on their facebook group. Support others who share your opinion and do the same. This is the only way we will get heard.

Well i do expect people to place their concerns and suggestions in the letter alongside the boy. People think we're just sending them boyz but it's more the boy comes alongside the letter.

Glad this is happening. It's a Waaaaaagh! Orks like to conquer places they haven't been before. GeeDubs is a land of space marines and Elder. Boyz from all over are flooding in for the fun. I got boy I can send.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
GW is a business. Though I appreciate the lighthearted, possibly comedic idea of sending a Boy to GW so they can drum up enough points to play 4k at Adepticon, the best way to get them to pay attention to the playerbase is to do exactly what SOB players have done for the past 10 years - complain.

Their recent actions have proven that they are listening and considering comments from the community.

Make your opinions on our lack of codex, lack of new models and anything else you're upset about known publicly on their facebook group. Support others who share your opinion and do the same. This is the only way we will get heard.

I get this is all about opinions..... but you're wrong.

The fact sisters players have had to winge for 10 years is proof that has nothing to do with plastic sisters being announced- it has everything to do with the fact that GW is making a push for more female inclusion in the hobby and that 2018 so far has pretty much been the year of #metoo..... wonder why they don't have models ready? its because they just arrived at the party their marketing survey told them they were missing out on.

The idea that nerds whining on facebook is going to initiate more of a change in attitude than a fun, comedic organisation of the community which has never been done before, is totally unique to the hobby and faction and in turn gives GW FREE publicity (do you think if this goes well that it wont be posted all over social media? possibly even local news as a "light hearted" public interest story?) is laughable.

and the earlier suggestion of writing them an essay on the concerns of ork players........ this is a toy company, not a local council.

keep it up guys, both the premise of the idea and the comments against it are hilarious.

I need to pack up my 40k models for a bit while I move. I'm setting aside an AOBR slugga boy, nob and big shoota boy.

I'll have to mail them out on the 24th because I'll be traveling on the 28th, but it will probably take several extra days for them to get there.

Is there a US location that can be used?

It seems that the Nottingham address will cost around $90-100 for even a single miniature.

fe40k wrote:
Is there a US location that can be used?

It seems that the Nottingham address will cost around $90-100 for even a single miniature.

What? When i buy stuff from Americans or send Americans stuff it's only like $10 max. I once sent a 1k point tyranid army for $10 postage.

Process wrote:

The idea that nerds whining on facebook is going to initiate more of a change in attitude than a fun, comedic organisation of the community which has never been done before, is totally unique to the hobby and faction and in turn gives GW FREE publicity (do you think if this goes well that it wont be posted all over social media? possibly even local news as a "light hearted" public interest story?) is laughable.

The idea that sending a company that produces and sells models, one of it's own models back to somehow initiate a change in their release plans and schedule is laughable. What you stated, about "nerds whining on facebook" is EXACTLY what Sister's players have been doing and is without question a driver for their release.

Sisters' players have whined for a long time about their lack of support. GW have not listened in the past but they are now. This is nothing to do with "female inclusion", don't try to turn this into a feminism thread, it's about the bottom line, profit, money. That's what drives GW and it always has. If Ork players indicate that they aren't going to spend money on old kits until new ones are released, what do you think GW will do? Do you think they'll listen (as they have literally just done or do you think they'll ignore it? It makes no difference of course, it still has a far greater chance of having an effect in comparison to sending them a Boy and a nicely worded letter.

For Mork sake! Have you not read a single post in this entire thread!? For the last time! We're not doing this because we want GW to bring the codex out sooner! That wasn't even mentioned anywhere and didn't even come into my mind until someone suggested that's why we are doing that! Now if you want to continue this make your own thread! Please can we keep this on topic related to pictures of what you are sending and Ork stories. Gork... not everything has to be negative on DakkaDakka. Sometimes people do things to insight fun.

 lolman1c wrote:
For Mork sake! Have you not read a single post in this entire thread!? For the last time! We're not doing this because we want GW to bring the codex out sooner! That wasn't even mentioned anywhere and didn't even come into my mind until someone suggested that's why we are doing that! Now if you want to continue this make your own thread! Please can we keep this on topic related to pictures of what you are sending and Ork stories. Gork... not everything has to be negative on DakkaDakka. Sometimes people do things to insight fun.

Well obviously you haven't read my post as I don't believe I mentioned the codex either? I was talking about models mate.

Here's the reasons you claim to be doing this;

lolman1c wrote:What we Hope to accomplish:

Not much... we're Ork players so we're just as "imaginative" as the Orks are! It's really a bit of fun. However, if anything we hope to get some response out of GW, give some attention to Orks for once or at least demonstrate how much we all feel a little underrepresented by GW (despite being one of the original founding factions). In addition, perhaps it might even prove how dedicated the Ork player base still is to seeing the representation of Orks!

I've bolded what I think are the pertinent points. Why do we feel underrepresented by GW? Because we have no news of our codex, no news of new models and the Studio can't even drum up 4k worth of points which is awful honestly. GW know how dedicated Ork fans are, it's why they repeatedly take the piss.

 lolman1c wrote:

fe40k wrote:
Is there a US location that can be used?

It seems that the Nottingham address will cost around $90-100 for even a single miniature.

What? When i buy stuff from Americans or send Americans stuff it's only like $10 max. I once sent a 1k point tyranid army for $10 postage.

Yeah, I didn't think it'd be so expensive either; I just used the UPS calculator - maybe a different shipping service will give better rates.

It seems excessive, butit is an international package.

HI fe40k,

No need to bankrupt yourself posting from the US. PM me a covering letter, and I'll send one in for you.

:-)

Two more just sent from my end of the country!

Moriarty wrote:
HI fe40k,

No need to bankrupt yourself posting from the US. PM me a covering letter, and I'll send one in for you.

:-)

Two more just sent from my end of the country!

That's very nice of you. Thank you for the support!

I'll be doing a thread this week to see what we would like also putting in this letter I am sending. So, you xan also wait for that if needs be.

I think this is a hilarious and very Orky (not childish) idea. The absurd idea of sending GW their own models to "help" them seems like something an actual Ork would come up with, and as long as it's done in a friendly manner I don't see a problem. I don't have any Orks and don't live in the UK, so it's a bit too much effort for me to participate personally, but I'll be cheering you on.

Good lukk wif yer WAAAGH!

 An Actual Englishman wrote:

Process wrote:

The idea that nerds whining on facebook is going to initiate more of a change in attitude than a fun, comedic organisation of the community which has never been done before, is totally unique to the hobby and faction and in turn gives GW FREE publicity (do you think if this goes well that it wont be posted all over social media? possibly even local news as a "light hearted" public interest story?) is laughable.

The idea that sending a company that produces and sells models, one of it's own models back to somehow initiate a change in their release plans and schedule is laughable. What you stated, about "nerds whining on facebook" is EXACTLY what Sister's players have been doing and is without question a driver for their release.

Sisters' players have whined for a long time about their lack of support. GW have not listened in the past but they are now. This is nothing to do with "female inclusion", don't try to turn this into a feminism thread, it's about the bottom line, profit, money. That's what drives GW and it always has. If Ork players indicate that they aren't going to spend money on old kits until new ones are released, what do you think GW will do? Do you think they'll listen (as they have literally just done or do you think they'll ignore it? It makes no difference of course, it still has a far greater chance of having an effect in comparison to sending them a Boy and a nicely worded letter.

Social media whining was a factor, not a driver. Companies don't make investments based on facebook comments, what the 10 years of whining may have achieved is prompting GW to hire the company that produced their market research survey, the results of which indicated Sisters definitely still had a market. Now have a guess at which "consumer" campaign will make more of an impact- whining nerds on facebook or hilarious product specific campaign aimed directly at the company which in turn can be used as marketing?

My point wasn't about feminism, it was about the fact that in the current social climate, pushing a strong female presence in your products is highly fashionable and marketable.... which not only helps with the "bottom line, profit, money" but also helps create a company image that is "forward thinking, with the times and inclusive for all" which promotes sales of other lines which; guess what? helps with "bottom line, profit, money".

This wont change the codex, it wont change the release date and it wont result in new models directly.... but it'll have more positive impact than whining on facebook.

Process wrote:

Social media whining was a factor, not a driver. Companies don't make investments based on facebook comments, what the 10 years of whining may have achieved is prompting GW to hire the company that produced their market research survey, the results of which indicated Sisters definitely still had a market. Now have a guess at which "consumer" campaign will make more of an impact- whining nerds on facebook or hilarious product specific campaign aimed directly at the company which in turn can be used as marketing?

You genuinely think that GW decided to make plastic Sisters on a whim from a single market survey carried out a few months back? Really? I don't think you're so naive.
Which consumer campaign do I think will have more success? The one I have just seen work successfully. The years of whining from SOB players has got them what they want. Literally. Not only is this "campaign" untested, it also makes no sense.

Process wrote:
My point wasn't about feminism, it was about the fact that in the current social climate, pushing a strong female presence in your products is highly fashionable and marketable.... which not only helps with the "bottom line, profit, money" but also helps create a company image that is "forward thinking, with the times and inclusive for all" which promotes sales of other lines which; guess what? helps with "bottom line, profit, money".

I think you're putting waaay to much emphasis on the so called importance of a female presence in a game system that has always appealed to men more so than women.
Particularly when we have robot people, blue fish people, fungi bros etc

Process wrote:
This wont change the codex, it wont change the release date and it wont result in new models directly.... but it'll have more positive impact than whining on facebook.

In your opinion and not according to the most recent announcement made by GW in relation to Sisters. This statement is in direct contradiction to what is actually happening as I write this.

I think people are getting concerned that doing this seems like a nasty cynical childish prank. I can see how people think that. But for me as an ork player since 2nd edition I have had a tonne of feel badsies playing orks particulary in the latter half of that time. This is more like a statement that we are still here we don't hate you for your lack of attention to out models. And we've got your back when it comes to orks even if you don't really want to.

NOW GIVE US A CODEX! Before Deathwatch and other minor armies. It is whining but its also a bit crappy that our last codex was the first in 7th edition and shaping up to be the last in 8th

 Nithaniel wrote:
I think people are getting concerned that doing this seems like a nasty cynical childish prank. I can see how people think that. But for me as an ork player since 2nd edition I have had a tonne of feel badsies playing orks particulary in the latter half of that time. This is more like a statement that we are still here we don't hate you for your lack of attention to out models. And we've got your back when it comes to orks even if you don't really want to.

NOW GIVE US A CODEX! Before Deathwatch and other minor armies. It is whining but its also a bit crappy that our last codex was the first in 7th edition and shaping up to be the last in 8th

I don't care when the codex comes out as long as it is good. The lack of attention comment was more aimed at GW not playing Orks in any official sense for a while now. Honestly, if you like this idea then share your pictures and stories surrounding Orks. If you dislike the idea then make your own idea or move on... There is a difference between criticism and attacking the campaign because it's an idea the person dislikes... And on other platforms I've had people spam the chats with attempts to shut this down... now that is childish! But please! Let's all move away from this! i don;t want any more comments regarding this! Please voice your opinions in another thread so we can focus this thread on why you all love Orks!

I'm sendin' da Boyz later today.

This is simple, good clean fun. At worst, it'll probably get a handful of smiles cracked and a public thank you letter, at best, it might make them take an Ork army to Adepticon. Either way, it's not hurting anyone and is somewhat amusing. I can't imagine being grouchy and bored enough to sit here and try to rain on somebody's parade by writing out paragraphs dubbing the idea 'childish'. As C.S. Lewis said, "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”

I just sent one. Waaaagh

I love the example right there! Keep it up boyz!

I just sent a boy and a nob (and some mushroom tea). It cost $14 to ship USPS, so not too terrible.

I want some of that tea now!

 lolman1c wrote:
I want some of that tea now!

I might be able to send you some after I get back. I'm traveling for a couple weeks starting Monday.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I want some of that tea now!

I might be able to send you some after I get back. I'm traveling for a couple weeks starting Monday.

Haha, you're okay but thanks for the other....

ANYWAY!!!!! ONLY 2 DAYS LEFT! GET YAH ORKS AND LETTER READY YAH GITZ!

 Nithaniel wrote:
It is whining but its also a bit crappy that our last codex was the first in 7th edition and shaping up to be the last in 8th

Don't worry - of the known books, Sisters of Battle will be the last out Beta test in CA 2018, plus model release in 2019 sees to that

If the Ork codex is awesome and lets you play lots of different ways to win (like tyranids) then I don't care if it comes out in even 2 years! But if it's a index +1 (or worse... a Index 1.25) then I think we should complain that it took them this long for a major faction. But until now we need to nudge them to let them know we still exist.

I have just finished my Nob and will post him off tomorrow!

Epic! Can't wait for GW to get all our Orkz! Keep an eye out to see if they mention us at all.

Well, i've written about my concerns about extreme alpha-striking, terrain problems and suggested some ways around it but got no response other than a generic one.

 koooaei wrote:
Well, i've written about my concerns about extreme alpha-striking, terrain problems and suggested some ways around it but got no response other than a generic one.

Did you do it by email or physical response?

Personally I don't find this idea offensive or cynical, it is rather hilarious actually) Sadly I've read about it sorta late and thus won't participate.

Nah, it's fine.

Is there any news about this? Did GW respond?

Was just mentioning this to a friend yesterday. I haven't seen anything mentioned by GW. Hope they got the message.

 corpuschain wrote:
Is there any news about this? Did GW respond?

I'm in Asia at the moment so unsure if they ever sent anything to my house (I have my friends check the mailever week) but so far I doubt they did. I know they get my letter though because it was signed for. Either 3 options happened:

1.It got lost in the countless fan mail they gte. I know a good few people sent an Ork but I always said from the start that I doubt we would get anything back. It might be months before they even read the first one.

2.they're saving it for when they want to talk about Orks to push how much they love the community and how many people love Orks. Even if they over emphasise this it would be great publicity for them. I wouldn't even mind if they did it.

3. They read the letters and threw them in the bin because they hate Orks. This is very unlikely but having no response at all to the many people who sent it kinda feeds the already growing paranoia that they hate Orks to people who think that.