Some Spaces Wolves release rumors from a solid source

PJ1933 - B&C

I am 99% sure that the SW codex will be pre order 25th August, no confirmation on any SW kits coming. Same weekend will see Hobbit/LotR battle of Pelannor fields box game up for pre order. No I will not be revealing where this came from but it’s not from BoLs or FLGS or any of the usual rumour mongers.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/348821-q3-2018-august-codex-space-wolves/page-4#entry5130523

(see the N&R IK thread for some of his earlier posts)

Woof Woof!

Does someone remember where that Space Wolves vs Orks campaign boxed set rumor came from a few months ago?

That must be just after the huge Ork release they have planned...

Ah but really, hope the codex is a good one with goodies for the fans

Primaris Wolves riding Primarithunderwolves? A Redemptor with four synonyms for murder in its name? A whole fleet of Sleighspeeders? The possibilities are certainly "exciting"

Seriously though, are we expecting this to be a big deal release or more like the previous sub-Marine 'dexes with just a Primaris accessory sprue bundled in with the big boys?

Listen up boyz, there is an amazin box set coming with Orks and SW. I can promise you this will happen because I am currently on hiatus from the game. It's bound to happen, because I won't be able to enjoy it. That's how my universe works.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Primaris Wolves riding Primarithunderwolves? A Redemptor with four synonyms for murder in its name? A whole fleet of Sleighspeeders? The possibilities are certainly "exciting"

Seriously though, are we expecting this to be a big deal release or more like the previous sub-Marine 'dexes with just a Primaris accessory sprue bundled in with the big boys?

Nothing but a Primaris Murdermammoth - 3 variants. One comes with rapid fire tusks, the other has assault tusks and the last has heavy tusks.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Primaris Wolves riding Primarithunderwolves? A Redemptor with four synonyms for murder in its name? A whole fleet of Sleighspeeders? The possibilities are certainly "exciting"

Seriously though, are we expecting this to be a big deal release or more like the previous sub-Marine 'dexes with just a Primaris accessory sprue bundled in with the big boys?

The New Space Wolves PrimarICE Fangwolfinoris deals mortal wounds on every re-roll of it's Frostidor Cannon and has a powerful aura ability granting all PRIMARICE keyword units within it's 6" howling range the ability to automatically win the game if the controlling player gets first turn!

In other news we're bringing back Formations for everyone's favorite faction the Space Wolves!

Wolves don't need any new models unlike many factions so just Wolfy Wolf Primaris is likely as they did that for all sub Marine factions with their own Codexes and previosuly they have been drowned in increasingly silly wolf models.

But its Wolves so who knows

Primaris Murdermammoth

- missing at least one "Wolf" - More likely a Wolfmoth or a Great Fanged Murder Mamwolf

and this? : /

]via Ishagu on B&C
I heard a rumour about Primaris BIKERS this year. They might be released alongside SW.

From my usual sometimes correct info leaker
I actually heard this a few weeks ago but didn't want to make a new topic about it. I thought I'd mention it seeing as the conversation turned to Primaris and potential new units.

All I was told is that a Primaris biker unit would likely be released this year. I wasn't even given details if it would be jetbikes or not, but I expect so as they have the anti grav thing going on.

zamerion wrote:
and this? : /

]via Ishagu on B&C
I heard a rumour about Primaris BIKERS this year. They might be released alongside SW.

From my usual sometimes correct info leaker
I actually heard this a few weeks ago but didn't want to make a new topic about it. I thought I'd mention it seeing as the conversation turned to Primaris and potential new units.

All I was told is that a Primaris biker unit would likely be released this year. I wasn't even given details if it would be jetbikes or not, but I expect so as they have the anti grav thing going on.

I really hope this is true!

When the edition was new the GW Facebook guys said in some random reply something along the lines: "Wouldn't it be cool if there were new Space Marine bikes?" It struck me as unusual, and since then I've suspected that release of new bikes is near.

I am gonna be real disappointed if bigly space marines get jetbikes instead of ridiculous Tonka-tired goofbikes in the grand tradition of space marine bikery.

I'm sure the inevitable hilarious weapon loadout will make up for it. They'll be modeled with the driver not steering at all and holding a lascannon in each hand and wearing a special helmet with two lasguns poking out the nostrils.

Personally I'm hoping for jetbikes.

Of course it will be jetbikes, nothing but the best(and supposedly mostly gone from this ostensibly dark-age setting...) for Cawly Sue's Adeptus Snowflakeius Marines.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Of course it will be jetbikes, nothing but the best(and supposedly mostly gone from this ostensibly dark-age setting...) for Cawly Sue's Adeptus Snowflakeius Marines.

They're just returning to their roots:


Like they did with Inceptors:

Anything on Leman Russ? Is it still just hoping for him because we're overdue another Primarch and why else hold back the last Marine codex so long, or has there been any actual rumor on him in the meantime?

It'll be interesting to see if Space Wolf Primaris get more than an upgrade sprue with shoulder pads. With how wolfed up everything is these days, naked Primaris look out of place in a Space Wolf army (at least one assembled with the latest wolf kits).

Fingers crossed for more hover longboats and a Krakenwolf, too.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Of course it will be jetbikes, nothing but the best(and supposedly mostly gone from this ostensibly dark-age setting...) for Cawly Sue's Adeptus Snowflakeius Marines.

They're just returning to their roots:

Spoiler:

Old != good.

Like they did with Inceptors:

Spoiler:

HERE. COMES. RUSS!!!!!!!

It makes sense to delay the Space Wolves Codex for the introduction of Russ. Finally the Imperials receive a second primarch, making it 2 for 2 in the primarchs department.

 Yodhrin wrote:


There's a reason 40K moved on from Rogue Trader, sadly the people working at GW seem to have forgotten that.

Rogue Trader was awesome. The new fluff is obviously dumb as feth, but I'm just going to ignore it and enjoy the great new models instead.

even if you dislike the old stuff, well the basic ideas can be mined for some good stuff, BTW to add fuel to this, I was at my local GW today and told EVERY Space Wolf kit has gone "last chance to buy"
This suggests a codex soon likely with a complete reboxing of everything to add the 8th edition rules,I doubt we'll see many new kits though, although I kinda hope we see a new Longfang kit since that one dissappered awhile back

BrianDavion wrote:
even if you dislike the old stuff, well the basic ideas can be mined for some good stuff, BTW to add fuel to this, I was at my local GW today and told EVERY Space Wolf kit has gone "last chance to buy"
This suggests a codex soon likely with a complete reboxing of everything to add the 8th edition rules,I doubt we'll see many new kits though, although I kinda hope we see a new Longfang kit since that one dissappered awhile back

I would be very surprised if we do not see a new Long Fang kit rocking a Helfrost weapon of some kind.

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
even if you dislike the old stuff, well the basic ideas can be mined for some good stuff, BTW to add fuel to this, I was at my local GW today and told EVERY Space Wolf kit has gone "last chance to buy"
This suggests a codex soon likely with a complete reboxing of everything to add the 8th edition rules,I doubt we'll see many new kits though, although I kinda hope we see a new Longfang kit since that one dissappered awhile back

I would be very surprised if we do not see a new Long Fang kit rocking a Helfrost weapon of some kind.

thats my hope, on the other hand given Primaris Marines I'm not expecting many if any, new old marine kits. If a new Longfang kit comes out we can safely say that word of the demise of old school marines was much exaggerated and that GW clearly intends both to co-exist for the forseeable future.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
even if you dislike the old stuff, well the basic ideas can be mined for some good stuff, BTW to add fuel to this, I was at my local GW today and told EVERY Space Wolf kit has gone "last chance to buy"
This suggests a codex soon likely with a complete reboxing of everything to add the 8th edition rules,I doubt we'll see many new kits though, although I kinda hope we see a new Longfang kit since that one dissappered awhile back

I would be very surprised if we do not see a new Long Fang kit rocking a Helfrost weapon of some kind.

thats my hope, on the other hand given Primaris Marines I'm not expecting many if any, new old marine kits. If a new Longfang kit comes out we can safely say that word of the demise of old school marines was much exaggerated and that GW clearly intends both to co-exist for the forseeable future.

Ehhh...

Long Fangs(and Skyclaws) were using older stock to begin with. They contained the previous iteration of Assault and Devastator kits. It's possible they've had kits ready to go for awhile but just didn't release them.

For the first time in my life I really really REALLY want my army to have nothing new. I just want the army to not get stupider.

pm713 wrote:
For the first time in my life I really really REALLY want my army to have nothing new. I just want the army to not get stupider.

Agreed. I’m in great fear of some sort of werewolf primarch monster nonsense

Not looking forward to Russ and TWC stupidity in every Imperial army from now until forever. And you know he will have exactly 9 wounds (with a LOS to fenrisian wolves or something) and can auto kill a Magnus or Morty just because.

 Ssgt Carl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
For the first time in my life I really really REALLY want my army to have nothing new. I just want the army to not get stupider.

Agreed. I’m in great fear of some sort of werewolf primarch monster nonsense

The only way the return of Russ would not be similarly super lame like the return of Guilliman was, if he would return as some sort of disgusting mutated monster, gripping to his last and rapidly diminishing shreds of sanity.

I would be very surprised if we do not see a new Long Fang Primaris Agressors kit rocking a Helfrost weapon of some kind.

GW'd that for you.

Agreed. I’m in great fear of some sort of werewolf primarch monster nonsense

Also Agreed. I can't say it enough. I'd rather never have a Russ model, than a stupid Wolf Wolf mcWulfen Russ.

The only way the return of Russ would not be similarly super lame like the return of Guilliman was, if he would return as some sort of disgusting mutated monster, gripping to his last and rapidly diminishing shreds of sanity.

I disagree completely. But we've had this discussion before.

Justyn wrote:


I disagree completely. But we've had this discussion before.

Yeah, probably. Whilst I don't want loyalist Primarchs being brought back at all, I really don't think there is any point in doing so if you're just basically porting their HH versions into 40K. 40K versions need to be different and preferably grimdarkified so that they won't bring any unneeded excess hope. This is why Daemon Primarchs work, they're radically different from their HH versions. Though I understand that some people are very attached to these characters and don't want them to be changed. But that is why it probably is the best if they just stay in HH where they belong.

Hopefully the next edition they will fix the issues everyone has with the Primaris integration into the space marines.

I posted on another thread but hopefully the wolves will have grey hunter intercessors instead of this tacked on unit charts.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
HERE. COMES. RUSS!!!!!!!

It makes sense to delay the Space Wolves Codex for the introduction of Russ. Finally the Imperials receive a second primarch, making it 2 for 2 in the primarchs department.

Russ will not return.

Maybe some other character might return like the Old Wolf from ashes of prospero. (hopefully). But we will not see the return of Russ for sometime. Hopefully I want to see an odin like version of Leman Russ, not wolf wolf


Automatically Appended Next Post:

pm713 wrote:
For the first time in my life I really really REALLY want my army to have nothing new. I just want the army to not get stupider.

I want better integration and more naturalized version of the Primaris not whatever it is going on right now with the primaris.

 Crimson wrote:

 Ssgt Carl wrote:

pm713 wrote:
For the first time in my life I really really REALLY want my army to have nothing new. I just want the army to not get stupider.

Agreed. I’m in great fear of some sort of werewolf primarch monster nonsense

The only way the return of Russ would not be similarly super lame like the return of Guilliman was, if he would return as some sort of disgusting mutated monster, gripping to his last and rapidly diminishing shreds of sanity.

Interesting how different our points of view are. I feel exactly the opposite

Justyn wrote:

I would be very surprised if we do not see a new Long Fang Primaris Agressors kit rocking a Helfrost weapon of some kind.

GW'd that for you.

For future reference, "fixed that for you" style of posts are not looked upon kindly here.

Additionally, the only thing that factions have received as Primaris specific kits has been the Lieutenants. The other kits are just the Primaris stuff with upgrade frames.

Yeah, probably. Whilst I don't want loyalist Primarchs being brought back at all, I really don't think there is any point in doing so if you're just basically porting their HH versions into 40K. 40K versions need to be different and preferably grimdarkified so that they won't bring any unneeded excess hope. This is why Daemon Primarchs work, they're radically different from their HH versions. Though I understand that some people are very attached to these characters and don't want them to be changed. But that is why it probably is the best if they just stay in HH where they belong.

Staying in HH I can agree with. Sadly the floodgates are open.

Hopefully the next edition they will fix the issues everyone has with the Primaris integration into the space marines.

I posted on another thread but hopefully the wolves will have grey hunter intercessors instead of this tacked on unit charts.

Actually I hope they make them all start as Blood Claws. "Where is your chainsword?", "You don't have one...., Give me that Bolter, Here is your chainsword, come back in 100 years when you have learned to use it properly."

To be honest I just can't stand Primaris. The basic and Hellblaster models look great. The rest of them look like crap. The squads are all stupidly bland. No Options no flavor. It really is what some people have said about Marines for years. they are just painted different colors.

For future reference, "fixed that for you" style of posts are not looked upon kindly here.

Thanks for that info I guess. Now just out of curiosity is it you specifically that doesn't look kindly upon it. Because in my years of reading these forums no one else has ever mentioning that in any post I've read. While I don't tend to post a lot, I do read them very regularly. And I wonder why it is so inconvenient to you that you needed to mention it.

Actually I hope they make them all start as Blood Claws. "Where is your chainsword?", "You don't have one...., Give me that Bolter, Here is your chainsword, come back in 100 years when you have learned to use it properly."

As I noted this isn't likely because Primaris Marines aren't exactly freshly decanted newbies. by time they link up with the Space Wolves they've been fighting awhile. Especially as Gulliman is a smart guy (like him or not, he's a primarch give him credit) he'll know how important making sure Primaris Marines have a solid record they can brag about when they first meet the wolves. What kinda thing might a Primaris Marine say upon meeting? Lemme try and craft a possiability. "My name is Ragnarr, I was born on Fenris when the Space Wolves where a Legion, I'm older then you pup, far far older, I REMEMBER the Primarch, I was selected to become part of the Primaris Marine project due to my high scores, and spent centuries training and testing, when Gulliman returned I was at the forefront of the force he deployed to Terra to defend it from deamons, have you ever been to Terra runt? Following that, I traveling as part of the Indomatius crusade, fighting along side a Primarch whom is now lord commander of the Imperium once more, bringing countless Imperial worlds back into the fold, finally I was permitted to return home to aide my Brethren in the Rout... so what have you done Pup?"


Basicly my point is that the Space Wolf Primaris Marines aren't complete rookies, they'll have combat experiance, and Gulliman is smart eneugh to make sure that they've something to brag about before returning to Fenris.

I would like another Imperial Primarch. And while I would like Russ to be different from his 30k self, I don't really want him to be a giant werewolf either. Grizzled, hairier, different armor (possibly stripped down a little) is what I'd expect to see. Compared to RG I'd expect him to be a little less buff-master, and a little more beat stick.


As for Primaris Bikers, Neat, I guess. I'm not totally psyched about it, but I do like that they are expanding the Primaris line. If they are jetbikes I hope they are shooty, and significantly cheaper than the Custodes bikes.

 cuda1179 wrote:
I would like another Imperial Primarch. And while I would like Russ to be different from his 30k self, I don't really want him to be a giant werewolf either. Grizzled, hairier, different armor (possibly stripped down a little) is what I'd expect to see. Compared to RG I'd expect him to be a little less buff-master, and a little more beat stick.


As for Primaris Bikers, Neat, I guess. I'm not totally psyched about it, but I do like that they are expanding the Primaris line. If they are jetbikes I hope they are shooty, and significantly cheaper than the Custodes bikes.

I always saw him returning more like an Odin like character, his eye gone (the opposite eye of Magnus's) And wiser character from his experience, not the boy king we are so familiar with. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a crazed werewolf, but a methodical thinker and warrior. All decked out like a Viking King of Old, his armor tattered by thousands of years in the warp fighting with his 13th company. His eye long since plucked out by his brother magnus the red. And his journey to find the fruit of eternity so that he may revive the emperor. Only to realize it never existed, and that his Father would want him to return. Returning with his non-wulfen 13th company members to find his people scattered and his Fenris Destroyed. Hopefully turning into the Man the Emperor thought he might be.

It would be amazing character development and would allow GW to have two seperate versions of Leman Russ, one as a youth, a blonde hair wild eye (or was he red headed?!) and now a wisened old man whose lost much due to time.

But my money for an imperial Primarch would be the Khan.

A Primaris Biker should be fun be we still need our close combat unit of primaris that use chainswords or a Terminator-like unit for primaris. While also making them less of an 'upgrade' or 'superior' to regular space marines, but oh well.

I am more excited for the lore expansion and hopeful for a continuation of ashes of prospero.

They gave a major hint at Russ way back before the galaxy exploded, when Magnus was sacking Fenris. He popped out to chat with Ragnar.

I think he would make a solid next imperial primarch. But I also don’t see him just shoe horned in without a campaign or other significant event.

stormboy wrote:
They gave a major hint at Russ way back before the galaxy exploded, when Magnus was sacking Fenris. He popped out to chat with Ragnar.

I think he would make a solid next imperial primarch. But I also don’t see him just shoe horned in without a campaign or other significant event.

Probably and they hopefully won't just make him a werewolf :/

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
I would like another Imperial Primarch. And while I would like Russ to be different from his 30k self, I don't really want him to be a giant werewolf either. Grizzled, hairier, different armor (possibly stripped down a little) is what I'd expect to see. Compared to RG I'd expect him to be a little less buff-master, and a little more beat stick.


As for Primaris Bikers, Neat, I guess. I'm not totally psyched about it, but I do like that they are expanding the Primaris line. If they are jetbikes I hope they are shooty, and significantly cheaper than the Custodes bikes.

I always saw him returning more like an Odin like character, his eye gone (the opposite eye of Magnus's) And wiser character from his experience, not the boy king we are so familiar with. It wouldn't make sense for him to be a crazed werewolf, but a methodical thinker and warrior. All decked out like a Viking King of Old, his armor tattered by thousands of years in the warp fighting with his 13th company. His eye long since plucked out by his brother magnus the red. And his journey to find the fruit of eternity so that he may revive the emperor. Only to realize it never existed, and that his Father would want him to return. Returning with his non-wulfen 13th company members to find his people scattered and his Fenris Destroyed. Hopefully turning into the Man the Emperor thought he might be.

It would be amazing character development and would allow GW to have two seperate versions of Leman Russ, one as a youth, a blonde hair wild eye (or was he red headed?!) and now a wisened old man whose lost much due to time.

.

I do love your vision of Russ. While I agree that seeing him as an older man with much of the intemperance of his youth long since contained, he should still be more of a combat monster than RG. Not saying he can't be a support character too, just on a slightly lower scale than RG. I think I'd also give him a better movement value than RG, not much, just a tad.

 cuda1179 wrote:


I do love your vision of Russ. While I agree that seeing him as an older man with much of the intemperance of his youth long since contained, he should still be more of a combat monster than RG. Not saying he can't be a support character too, just on a slightly lower scale than RG. I think I'd also give him a better movement value than RG, not much, just a tad.

Thank you, i just love my space wolves (even though I don't even play them!) ever since I read the Emperor's Gift they have been my favorite faction in the Imperium. As they didn't even lift a finger till someone decided to shoot at them.

But yes I think he still can but be wisened while wielding a Gundrak like weapon.

I do think him becoming a more talented psyker would be alot better and more inline with his character (while also kind of making him a hypocrite :B)

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:


I do love your vision of Russ. While I agree that seeing him as an older man with much of the intemperance of his youth long since contained, he should still be more of a combat monster than RG. Not saying he can't be a support character too, just on a slightly lower scale than RG. I think I'd also give him a better movement value than RG, not much, just a tad.

Thank you, i just love my space wolves (even though I don't even play them!) ever since I read the Emperor's Gift they have been my favorite faction in the Imperium. As they didn't even lift a finger till someone decided to shoot at them.

But yes I think he still can but be wisened while wielding a Gundrak like weapon.

I do think him becoming a more talented psyker would be alot better and more inline with his character (while also kind of making him a hypocrite :B)

Was he ever a psycher before?

 cuda1179 wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:


I do love your vision of Russ. While I agree that seeing him as an older man with much of the intemperance of his youth long since contained, he should still be more of a combat monster than RG. Not saying he can't be a support character too, just on a slightly lower scale than RG. I think I'd also give him a better movement value than RG, not much, just a tad.

Thank you, i just love my space wolves (even though I don't even play them!) ever since I read the Emperor's Gift they have been my favorite faction in the Imperium. As they didn't even lift a finger till someone decided to shoot at them.

But yes I think he still can but be wisened while wielding a Gundrak like weapon.

I do think him becoming a more talented psyker would be alot better and more inline with his character (while also kind of making him a hypocrite :B)

Was he ever a psycher before?

Yes he was all the Primarchs are.

Read the latest horus heresy books or lexi to see he did infact have psychic powers, its why the thousand sons could sense him coming through the warp. He was terrifying.

I like the idea of an older "Odinesque" version of Russ, they could package him as "Lemen Russ, the Old King" heck they could even keep the werewolf aspect and make it a transformation that can happen in battle, and give us two minis, ala Morathi from AOS.

heck they could even keep the werewolf aspect and make it a transformation that can happen in battle, and give us two minis, ala Morathi from AOS

Please no. Conceptually I hate beast Russ. On top of that GWs werewolf miniatures are god awful, looking like ballerinas from planet of the apes.

Justyn wrote:

heck they could even keep the werewolf aspect and make it a transformation that can happen in battle, and give us two minis, ala Morathi from AOS

Please no. Conceptually I hate beast Russ. On top of that GWs werewolf miniatures are god awful, looking like ballerinas from planet of the apes.

Yeah I rather just have... you know.... Guys that look like space marines.... Not erm whatever we got in 7th edition




God these things were horrifying bad.

I miss these doofuses

Yeah I thought the old ones were really bad, until they released the new ones.

The August white dwarf , in the next month section hints "A war of Vengeance" . It must be 40k related cause we already had plenty of sigmar and special board games.
Also it ties up with Russ returning and declaring a war of vengeance after seeing what happened on Fenris. A man can only hope

 lonewolf81 wrote:
The August white dwarf , in the next month section hints "A war of Vengeance" . It must be 40k related cause we already had plenty of sigmar and special board games already.
Also it ties up with Russ returning and declaring a war of vengeance after seeing what happened on Fenris. A man can only hope

Source?!? I mean you say the white dwarf from august.

Source?!? I mean you say the white dwarf from august.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Justyn wrote:

heck they could even keep the werewolf aspect and make it a transformation that can happen in battle, and give us two minis, ala Morathi from AOS

Please no. Conceptually I hate beast Russ. On top of that GWs werewolf miniatures are god awful, looking like ballerinas from planet of the apes.

Yeah I rather just have... you know.... Guys that look like space marines.... Not erm whatever we got in 7th edition




God these things were horrifying bad.

I miss these doofuses

Those 13th company models came out just as i left the hobby, absolutely one of the coolest most interesting kits GW have put out. When i came back to the hobby last year i was a little shocked how stupid and in your face they'd gone with space wolves. They truly are a ruined faction for me.

Process wrote:
Those 13th company models came out just as i left the hobby, absolutely one of the coolest most interesting kits GW have put out. When i came back to the hobby last year i was a little shocked how stupid and in your face they'd gone with space wolves. They truly are a ruined faction for me.

Space Wolves are the single best example of Flanderization in 40K.

Im so glad I've still got a box of Wulfen unopened, with arms from another box. Mixing them with Primaris kits makes them look closer to the old models. I absolutely adored the old models, their artwork was so brutal I wish we got something more akin to that. The way they are just tearing the enemy apart and throwing them about, loved it.

Still though even with the Primaris kits, it feels like there's something missing and I can't put my finger on it. Maybe its the heads. The new ones look so stupid, I wish we just got the old models in an updated form, they were perfect.

Looking forward to this though, always loved the Wolves, seen someone's work on some Space Wolf Reivers and they gave them Dispossesed axes and they looked amazing, never even thought of that.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:


There's a reason 40K moved on from Rogue Trader, sadly the people working at GW seem to have forgotten that.

Rogue Trader was awesome. The new fluff is obviously dumb as feth, but I'm just going to ignore it and enjoy the great new models instead.

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth. Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

Its really hard to fit most beards in a primaris armour, so some gritty primaris heads with wild hair, and a primaris unit with chain swords would pretty much keep me satisfied.

A plastic wolf priest or even rune priest would also be nice, and about time.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

I think anyone who thinks the Primaris Marines udnermines the whole IoM in decline thing need to realize something...

Primaris Marines are proably too little too late. they won't save the IoM

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

I think anyone who thinks the Primaris Marines udnermines the whole IoM in decline thing need to realize something...

Primaris Marines are proably too little too late. they won't save the IoM

They undermine it completely by existing. The IoM is supposed to be an empire in decline and stagnation. They have nothing new, they are rooted in the past and fighting to survive. A new army of brand new super guys with innovation and better gear is completely counter to it.That's before the mess of Primarchs comes in.

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

I think anyone who thinks the Primaris Marines udnermines the whole IoM in decline thing need to realize something...

Primaris Marines are proably too little too late. they won't save the IoM

They undermine it completely by existing. The IoM is supposed to be an empire in decline and stagnation. They have nothing new, they are rooted in the past and fighting to survive. A new army of brand new super guys with innovation and better gear is completely counter to it.That's before the mess of Primarchs comes in.

An empire in decline that NEVER produces ANYTHING new sounds great on paper, but when you gotta sell new models, you suddenly realize it's got a giant flaw to it.

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

I think anyone who thinks the Primaris Marines udnermines the whole IoM in decline thing need to realize something...

Primaris Marines are proably too little too late. they won't save the IoM

They undermine it completely by existing. The IoM is supposed to be an empire in decline and stagnation. They have nothing new, they are rooted in the past and fighting to survive. A new army of brand new super guys with innovation and better gear is completely counter to it.That's before the mess of Primarchs comes in.

What you describe is a rogue traderesque parody, little better than obi wan sherlock clousseau.

Justyn wrote:
Yeah I thought the old ones were really bad, until they released the new ones.

2003- Those Wulfen are awful. They look like Michael Jackson in Thriller.

2015- Man wish we had those old metal Wulfen, the jorts wearing ones are gak.

JSG wrote:

pm713 wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Crimson wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

Rogue Trader was a product of the time, when anything nerdy had to be drenched in OTT "metal" stuff and enjoyed ironically in order to be considered acceptable. 40K grew up and "took itself seriously" because the culture moved on and people were comfortable admitting "no, actually, I genuinely enjoy this stuff", but alas along with its creators appears to have hit the midlife crisis stage and is grasping in vain to recapture its youth.

Whilst I generally really like the fluff resulting from the second edition's major fluff restructuring, there is is such thing as taking itself too seriously.

Now as you say, the new fluff can just be ignored(to an extent), but the issue for me is every time they do stuff like this, it's stuff I can't use if I do ignore the new fluff. The 40K I like and enjoy is the one where the Imperium is poised on the brink of catastrophe, in terminal decline socially and technologically, and stuff like Land Speeders are considered rare and miraculous even among the Imperium's elite, so while I can write my own more appropriate background material for something like the Redemptor, there's no place in it for Cawly Sue Marines riding jetbikes, or Primarchs. Obviously I can just ignore model releases I don't care for as well, but I'd much rather they were releasing things I do want to buy like a new version of the big chunky ground bike.

I certainly agree with you (in fact, I agree very strongly!) about the importance of Imperium being in decline, and that Primarchs returning really undermine that theme in a serious way, things like jetbikes or grav tanks really do not bother me. Land Speeders have always existed, slightly smaller or bigger grav vehicles are not a big deal. As for Primaris, eh, they're just better looking Space Marines.

I think anyone who thinks the Primaris Marines udnermines the whole IoM in decline thing need to realize something...

Primaris Marines are proably too little too late. they won't save the IoM

They undermine it completely by existing. The IoM is supposed to be an empire in decline and stagnation. They have nothing new, they are rooted in the past and fighting to survive. A new army of brand new super guys with innovation and better gear is completely counter to it.That's before the mess of Primarchs comes in.

What you describe is a rogue traderesque parody, little better than obi wan sherlock clousseau.

It's almost like I simplified it because I don't want to spend half an hour writing a post for dakka....

I personally hope that GW keeps up with the Wolf stuff and stops butchering Vikings. "Odin" Russ ugh. What you're really asking for is Thor at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

Skaorn wrote:
I personally hope that GW keeps up with the Wolf stuff and stops butchering Vikings. "Odin" Russ ugh. What you're really asking for is Thor at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

Well, that's not entirely a bad thing. Russ not changing at all in 10,000 years isn't really interesting, or realistic. Him being older, wiser, and more restrained (while still being a beast when he is needed to be) is likely more believable.

Would also be cliche

Things become Cliche' because they appeal. Subverting expectations is great when done well. But when done wrong we get a giant pile of crap. This tends to happen far far more often than not. I'll take Ragnarok Thor over Episode 9 Luke every day of the week every time.

40k is the king of cliches. The angry, raging berseker Primarch is literally named Angron.

I wanna see what happens in the fluff when both Russ and the Lion come back (probably not at the same time), and they meet each other for the first time since they disappeared...

Should be less than some think if gw doesn't mess from previous fluff. They aren't hostile

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I wanna see what happens in the fluff when both Russ and the Lion come back (probably not at the same time), and they meet each other for the first time since they disappeared...

"wait are you fethers STILL fighting honor duels everytime you meet the other guys?!"

"wait are you fethers STILL fighting honor duels everytime you meet the other guys?!"

Given how much every thing else has regressed in 10000 years. They will probably just laugh that one off over a beer.

Justyn wrote:

"wait are you fethers STILL fighting honor duels everytime you meet the other guys?!"

Given how much every thing else has regressed in 10000 years. They will probably just laugh that one off over a beer.

The Lion and Old Man Russ bro-hugging over beers. Nu40K in a nutshell

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Not looking forward to Russ and TWC stupidity in every Imperial army from now until forever. And you know he will have exactly 9 wounds (with a LOS to fenrisian wolves or something) and can auto kill a Magnus or Morty just because.

I'm actually expecting him to have daemon primarch stats with the explanation that he's been running around buck-naked in the warp for so long that it's mutated him.

I'm actually expecting him to have daemon primarch stats with the explanation that he's been running around buck-naked in the warp for so long that it's mutated him.

Please no. The SW are already enough of a joke faction with the Wolf Wolf McMurder Wolf Wolfy Wolf Wolves.

Justyn wrote:

I'm actually expecting him to have daemon primarch stats with the explanation that he's been running around buck-naked in the warp for so long that it's mutated him.

Please no. The SW are already enough of a joke faction with the Wolf Wolf McMurder Wolf Wolfy Wolf Wolves.

They are a joke because of wargear names?

Really? People are still on that? The blood angels were all blood this and blood that for a time, as well.

Justyn wrote:

"wait are you fethers STILL fighting honor duels everytime you meet the other guys?!"

Given how much every thing else has regressed in 10000 years. They will probably just laugh that one off over a beer.

For The Lion, not much time will have passed, given that he's been sleeping since the Heresy. Russ, on the other hand, has probably been busy (or maybe not, because the Warp's like that). The look of shock on El Johnson's face after waking up and realizing that he's dealing with an older and wiser Russ would probably be priceless.

Heafstaag wrote:

Justyn wrote:

I'm actually expecting him to have daemon primarch stats with the explanation that he's been running around buck-naked in the warp for so long that it's mutated him.

Please no. The SW are already enough of a joke faction with the Wolf Wolf McMurder Wolf Wolfy Wolf Wolves.

They are a joke because of wargear names?

Really? People are still on that? The blood angels were all blood this and blood that for a time, as well.

And people hate those blood names as well. Point being?

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Always loved space wolves years ago. Would like a more Viking feel myself.

No sleds and crap like that, a sprue of round shields, axes some mechanical ravens would do me. Hell I’d even name them Hugin and munin.
Then just bulk them out with a decent bike pack and wolf packs.

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Sorry, I've gotta side with Calgar's bro here- Murderfang is daft in concept and execution. He's armed with Murderclaws, that's strike one. They found him on a planet called Omnicide. Strike two. Both of these I can kinda live with in the silliness of 40k, but the bit that really grinds my gears is the bare head- which sets the precedent for all SM Dreads "heads" being the actual head of the pilot and they're just wearing a helmet. Um, no. They're buried deep in the chassis and the head is just decorative. Bare headed Dreadnoughts are the single stupidest thing SW have given us, and this is coming from someone who loves TWC.

Justyn wrote:
Things become Cliche' because they appeal. Subverting expectations is great when done well. But when done wrong we get a giant pile of crap. This tends to happen far far more often than not. I'll take Ragnarok Thor over Episode 9 Luke every day of the week every time.

Episode 8 Luke, but who's counting?

What're the odds on us finally seeing an updated Ragnar, do you think? All the other classic SW characters have had a resculpt, leaving Mr Blackmane out in the cold.

 Grimtuff wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Sorry, I've gotta side with Calgar's bro here- Murderfang is daft in concept and execution. He's armed with Murderclaws, that's strike one. They found him on a planet called Omnicide. Strike two. Both of these I can kinda live with in the silliness of 40k, but the bit that really grinds my gears is the bare head- which sets the precedent for all SM Dreads "heads" being the actual head of the pilot and they're just wearing a helmet. Um, no. They're buried deep in the chassis and the head is just decorative. Bare headed Dreadnoughts are the single stupidest thing SW have given us, and this is coming from someone who loves TWC.

And what about hellbrutes? I always assumed some dreads are too damaged and the marine is on the tomb, and others have the head with a helmet.
But I agree, both helmeted and bare head dreadnoughts look stupid.

What're the odds on us finally seeing an updated Ragnar, do you think? All the other classic SW characters have had a resculpt, leaving Mr Blackmane out in the cold.

Much as I want a new Ragnar model, I'm dreading the fluff about how he gets Primarisized.

 Galas wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Sorry, I've gotta side with Calgar's bro here- Murderfang is daft in concept and execution. He's armed with Murderclaws, that's strike one. They found him on a planet called Omnicide. Strike two. Both of these I can kinda live with in the silliness of 40k, but the bit that really grinds my gears is the bare head- which sets the precedent for all SM Dreads "heads" being the actual head of the pilot and they're just wearing a helmet. Um, no. They're buried deep in the chassis and the head is just decorative. Bare headed Dreadnoughts are the single stupidest thing SW have given us, and this is coming from someone who loves TWC.

And what about hellbrutes? I always assumed some dreads are too damaged and the marine is on the tomb, and others have the head with a helmet.
But I agree, both helmeted and bare head dreadnoughts look stupid.

The Dreadnought concept has clearly gone from beeing sanctified servitor war machines to become dynamic robotic suits for damaged marines. Because people wanted them to be more dynamic and built them like that. Same thing with eldar wraith constucts -used to be staggering mumy tomb warriors that could fall asleep, now dynamic dual sword weilding monsters.

 Fayric wrote:

 Galas wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Sorry, I've gotta side with Calgar's bro here- Murderfang is daft in concept and execution. He's armed with Murderclaws, that's strike one. They found him on a planet called Omnicide. Strike two. Both of these I can kinda live with in the silliness of 40k, but the bit that really grinds my gears is the bare head- which sets the precedent for all SM Dreads "heads" being the actual head of the pilot and they're just wearing a helmet. Um, no. They're buried deep in the chassis and the head is just decorative. Bare headed Dreadnoughts are the single stupidest thing SW have given us, and this is coming from someone who loves TWC.

And what about hellbrutes? I always assumed some dreads are too damaged and the marine is on the tomb, and others have the head with a helmet.
But I agree, both helmeted and bare head dreadnoughts look stupid.

The Dreadnought concept has clearly gone from beeing sanctified servitor war machines to become dynamic robotic suits for damaged marines. Because people wanted them to be more dynamic and built them like that. Same thing with eldar wraith constucts -used to be staggering mumy tomb warriors that could fall asleep, now dynamic dual sword weilding monsters.

Actually back to what they were orignally......

Wasn’t there a short story or novel of a young Blood Claw wandering the Fang shortly after the Heresy and finding Russ? He was older and wiser and talked to the young pup for a bit.
It was right before he left.

I vaguely remember this story but can’t rememver where.

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Wasn’t there a short story or novel of a young Blood Claw wandering the Fang shortly after the Heresy and finding Russ? He was older and wiser and talked to the young pup for a bit.
It was right before he left.

I vaguely remember this story but can’t rememver where.

I'm 90% sure that's the Leman Russ novel. He basically tells a story of how he nicked a Dark Angels sword to stab the Lion IIRC. I thought Russ mainly wanted to chat with the Claw because he was the first Chapter Wolf rather than a Legionary.

ArmchairArbiter wrote:
HERE. COMES. RUSS!!!!!!!

It makes sense to delay the Space Wolves Codex for the introduction of Russ. Finally the Imperials receive a second primarch, making it 2 for 2 in the primarchs department.

Is yvrainne on the same level as primarch? I never got to play against her

 Galas wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
They are a joke because of wargear names?

It goes a fair bit beyond that.

In fairness Logan is viking as much as wolf there. a liiitle bit more viking over all would be appreciated. and Murderfang in hindsight was clearly intended to foreshadow the wulfen. people got so hung up on the name they missed that though

Sorry, I've gotta side with Calgar's bro here- Murderfang is daft in concept and execution. He's armed with Murderclaws, that's strike one. They found him on a planet called Omnicide. Strike two. Both of these I can kinda live with in the silliness of 40k, but the bit that really grinds my gears is the bare head- which sets the precedent for all SM Dreads "heads" being the actual head of the pilot and they're just wearing a helmet. Um, no. They're buried deep in the chassis and the head is just decorative. Bare headed Dreadnoughts are the single stupidest thing SW have given us, and this is coming from someone who loves TWC.

And what about hellbrutes? I always assumed some dreads are too damaged and the marine is on the tomb, and others have the head with a helmet.
But I agree, both helmeted and bare head dreadnoughts look stupid.

Helbrutes are kinda daemonic looking so they're more forgiven. The issue then stems from the fact they don't act daemonic like they should.

pm713 wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
Wasn’t there a short story or novel of a young Blood Claw wandering the Fang shortly after the Heresy and finding Russ? He was older and wiser and talked to the young pup for a bit.
It was right before he left.

I vaguely remember this story but can’t rememver where.

I'm 90% sure that's the Leman Russ novel. He basically tells a story of how he nicked a Dark Angels sword to stab the Lion IIRC. I thought Russ mainly wanted to chat with the Claw because he was the first Chapter Wolf rather than a Legionary.

That’s where it’s from! Thank you. I did like that take on him, hopefully if he comes back in 40k it’s like that and not as a werewolf.

Wolf players may want to look away now....

I heard a rumour that SW codex will NOT contain russ which will no doubt please many people.
This is because he is coming with a later codex on a totally unrelated note apparently Khorne has got himself a new pet "there's a good doggy, no drop the bloodthirster".

Well, all previous 40K Primarch releases had video teasers for them some 6 to 4 months prior.

SeanDrake wrote:
Wolf players may want to look away now....

I heard a rumour that SW codex will NOT contain russ which will no doubt please many people.
This is because he is coming with a later codex on a totally unrelated note apparently Khorne has got himself a new pet "there's a good doggy, no drop the bloodthirster".

congrats you've fallen for a hoax over 6 months old.

The idea of a returned primarch going traitor doesn't make much sense on a number of levels. First off from a busniess POV Khorne players aren't apt to be all that intreasted in "evil Russ" sure some'll snag him but it'll be a curiosity more then anything else. It'd also be a missed chance with space wolves whom, from what I can tell are one of the more popular marine factions.

From a story standpoint if Russ was proven and known to have fallen it would put the space wolves under a cloud of suspicion, NO marine legion whose primarch has fallen is trusted, Gulliman won't even accept the use of their geneseed. the space wolves would proably be destroyed, and if not would pretty much exist under a cloak of heavy suspicion, which might be good if they wanted to grimdark to hell the space wolves, but it just doesn't feel like what they wanna do to me.

that said a loyalist primarch returning IS big news. remember Magnus, Morty, have always been there in the background, their return isn't a big story to be told. So I do think that a loyalist primarch returning in a codex seems unlikely. and more likely to happen in a "big event book" ala Gathering storm.

SeanDrake wrote:
Wolf players may want to look away now....

I heard a rumour that SW codex will NOT contain russ which will no doubt please many people.
This is because he is coming with a later codex on a totally unrelated note apparently Khorne has got himself a new pet "there's a good doggy, no drop the bloodthirster".

How long ago was that rumour of Russ falling to Khorne? Damn id be pissed and I ain't even a Wolves main.

Id like there to be no teaser for him. Just have him show up out of nowhere and start taking names.

Badtucker's comment is interesting

http://natfka.blogspot.com/2018/07/rumored-space-wolf-codex-release-august.html?m=1#comment-4011263723

talking to folk in the know.... no russ. or they are really secretive on it.

not saying he's not comming... just not in this codex.
next primarch is a traitor one who has alot of beef with girlyman. he will drop in a campaign book - which is somthing he he are going to be doing more of after the big dexes are done.

That can be only two Primarchs that fit that, Fulgrim or Lorgar.
Also, did that person really use Girlyman and not Guilliman?

Well that's nafka so pass until source isn't site known for makeup crap

 Nova_Impero wrote:
That can be only two Primarchs that fit that, Fulgrim or Lorgar.
Also, did that person really use Girlyman and not Guilliman?

Is Gorillaman not his name?

What beef does Fulgrim have with Roboute? I don't remember Fulgrim having much to do with Roboute during the Heresy.

But yeah, unless Angron is still super pissy that Roboute got away at Nuceria.... Its probably not him if these rumors are true.

Fulgrim is the one who almost killed Guilliman before he was put into stasis. I would assume he is not happy that he is back on his feet.

You would think Guilliman would be the one who was more pissed off, being on the receiving end of a Cuban necktie from Fulgrims sword. Just on a side note, can we just soak in how much of a bad ass Fulgrim was at dueling lol.

Fulgrim is a bit upset he was cheated out of his kill yes.

Lorgar probably still has a major grudge stemming from Monarchia.

Fulgrim is much more likely though being the Daemon Primarch for Slaanesh. I would expect Fulgrim and Angron before any others make an appearance as that covers off all the Chaos Gods.

And back on topic - I would love for Russ to come back but think it unlikely that this would be in time for the codex due to the lack of teasers from GW.

I guess I just don't see why they waited this long to do SW if not to do something different than rehash of Index with Stratagems and Relics added like the other quick dexes.

tneva82 wrote:Well that's nafka so pass until source isn't site known for makeup crap

You know Dakka has a worse record than Nafka? Naftka is no different than Dakka. All he does is collect rumours just like how people on Dakka do. Unless you have ACTUAL proof he makes up crap.

Also wasn't this a rumour from 6 months ago from what I read from a previous poster. So it seems a recycled rumour doing the rounds.

So much of what he puts there IS made up crap. Only fools take anything posted there seriously.


Dakka has rumour accuracy stats. Check reliable ones. If those post listen. If not or "anonymous source" ignore. Faeit is place for fools to go to for rumours. There#s better sources so why not just use those?

Do i listen trustworthy source or site that puts up made up crap to collect clicks to get money...difficult choise...not!

 Nova_Impero wrote:
Fulgrim is the one who almost killed Guilliman before he was put into stasis. I would assume he is not happy that he is back on his feet.

We need Fulgrim so he can finish the job!

 Nova_Impero wrote:
That can be only two Primarchs that fit that, Fulgrim or Lorgar.
Also, did that person really use Girlyman and not Guilliman?

You make it sound like he misspelled Girlyman's name.

Justyn wrote:
I guess I just don't see why they waited this long to do SW if not to do something different than rehash of Index with Stratagems and Relics added like the other quick dexes.

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

 zend wrote:


What beef does Fulgrim have with Roboute? I don't remember Fulgrim having much to do with Roboute during the Heresy.

But yeah, unless Angron is still super pissy that Roboute got away at Nuceria.... Its probably not him if these rumors are true.

Problem is, Guilliman didn't originally do much in the Heresy. The original concept actually was pretty much .. Ultramarines missed the Heresy for the most part, hence they have all those guys left we'll use to make new Marine Chapters and Guilliman writes the user manual.

I guess Calth is the one iconic conflict they were in, though BL has been piling on more stuff with Imperium Secundus, etc.., etc. to give Ultramarines something to do in the broader Heresy-story-bloat.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Geifer wrote:

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

Yeah, but the turnaround would be too short, if GW would've wanted to see some numbers on the original Primaris before putting more resources there. We know, among others, from the rumour engine that the AoS Soul Wars content was kicking around on the "Eavy Metal paint stations and social media guys' desk before Dark Imperium was released. So would any other Primaris stuff released in 2018, presumably. I wouldn't expect more Primaris to cash in on the 2017 record year until the second half of 2019 at the earliest.

I hope it’s Fulgrim because I really want to see updated Emperors Children ala Thousand Sons and Death Guard.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Geifer wrote:

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

Yeah, but the turnaround would be too short, if GW would've wanted to see some numbers on the original Primaris before putting more resources there. We know, among others, from the rumour engine that the AoS Soul Wars content was kicking around on the "Eavy Metal paint stations and social media guys' desk before Dark Imperium was released. So would any other Primaris stuff released in 2018, presumably. I wouldn't expect more Primaris to cash in on the 2017 record year until the second half of 2019 at the earliest.

Quite right on the time frame for new projects, but who says GW waited for numbers? Primaris are the new Marines and there is little doubt that GW has confidence in them. Marines don't fail. There really is no reason to wait, especially since it's not just new models. GW committed to bollocksing up the entire background to fit in Primaris. You don't think that after that effort they want to wait what their accounting department has to say? That train's long gone.

tneva82 wrote:
So much of what he puts there IS made up crap. Only fools take anything posted there seriously.


Dakka has rumour accuracy stats. Check reliable ones. If those post listen. If not or "anonymous source" ignore. Faeit is place for fools to go to for rumours. There#s better sources so why not just use those?

Do i listen trustworthy source or site that puts up made up crap to collect clicks to get money...difficult choise...not!

Badtucker posted a comment, this has nothing to do with the website.

Warhams-77 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
So much of what he puts there IS made up crap. Only fools take anything posted there seriously.


Dakka has rumour accuracy stats. Check reliable ones. If those post listen. If not or "anonymous source" ignore. Faeit is place for fools to go to for rumours. There#s better sources so why not just use those?

Do i listen trustworthy source or site that puts up made up crap to collect clicks to get money...difficult choise...not!

Badtucker posted a comment, this has nothing to do with the website.

The difference is that we shut down those posts for the most part and it's gospel over there.

*deleted*

off topic. sorry

 Geifer wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Geifer wrote:

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

Yeah, but the turnaround would be too short, if GW would've wanted to see some numbers on the original Primaris before putting more resources there. We know, among others, from the rumour engine that the AoS Soul Wars content was kicking around on the "Eavy Metal paint stations and social media guys' desk before Dark Imperium was released. So would any other Primaris stuff released in 2018, presumably. I wouldn't expect more Primaris to cash in on the 2017 record year until the second half of 2019 at the earliest.

Quite right on the time frame for new projects, but who says GW waited for numbers? Primaris are the new Marines and there is little doubt that GW has confidence in them. Marines don't fail. There really is no reason to wait, especially since it's not just new models. GW committed to bollocksing up the entire background to fit in Primaris. You don't think that after that effort they want to wait what their accounting department has to say? That train's long gone.

And september seems to be a common big release month

BrianDavion wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Geifer wrote:

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

Yeah, but the turnaround would be too short, if GW would've wanted to see some numbers on the original Primaris before putting more resources there. We know, among others, from the rumour engine that the AoS Soul Wars content was kicking around on the "Eavy Metal paint stations and social media guys' desk before Dark Imperium was released. So would any other Primaris stuff released in 2018, presumably. I wouldn't expect more Primaris to cash in on the 2017 record year until the second half of 2019 at the earliest.

Quite right on the time frame for new projects, but who says GW waited for numbers? Primaris are the new Marines and there is little doubt that GW has confidence in them. Marines don't fail. There really is no reason to wait, especially since it's not just new models. GW committed to bollocksing up the entire background to fit in Primaris. You don't think that after that effort they want to wait what their accounting department has to say? That train's long gone.

And september seems to be a common big release month

Hopefully not as big as Orktober

 xttz wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Geifer wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Geifer wrote:

There's still the opportunity for the first chapter specific Primaris (like, real units, not just a character). GW did say about Orks and Space Puppies that they'd get new models. Wolfed up Primaris need production capacity and release slots, too, not just Russ.

Yeah, but the turnaround would be too short, if GW would've wanted to see some numbers on the original Primaris before putting more resources there. We know, among others, from the rumour engine that the AoS Soul Wars content was kicking around on the "Eavy Metal paint stations and social media guys' desk before Dark Imperium was released. So would any other Primaris stuff released in 2018, presumably. I wouldn't expect more Primaris to cash in on the 2017 record year until the second half of 2019 at the earliest.

Quite right on the time frame for new projects, but who says GW waited for numbers? Primaris are the new Marines and there is little doubt that GW has confidence in them. Marines don't fail. There really is no reason to wait, especially since it's not just new models. GW committed to bollocksing up the entire background to fit in Primaris. You don't think that after that effort they want to wait what their accounting department has to say? That train's long gone.

And september seems to be a common big release month

Hopefully not as big as Orktober

this isn't a compeition, let's hope both armies get awesome stuff and lots of it