I'm curious to see what the average Primaris content of everybodys army?

I currently have;
DI Gravis Capt
4 Lts including 500th
Librarian
13 Intercessors, can swap out "normal" sgts w PF & Chainsword
10 Hellblasters, 5 regular 5 heavy
11 Reivers, 5 Assault bolter 5 HBP & knives /chainswords (dont care if currently legal or not.
1 Redemptor
6 Aggressors, 3 flame 3 bolt
3 Inceptors
1 Repulsor.

Just need another dread, more intercessors & inceptors, & another Repulsor.

I've basically just added regular Astartes to fill in where any gaps in tactical options existed.


whatcha got?

0. I converted a "Primaris" Captain from a Sternguard with a MK IV helmet for Kill Team cuz they don't have normal captains.

I bought the marines from the Dark Imperium box, and got 5 more reavers. I'm forming a Primaris only army, but this is what I got so far.

For me zero. GW finally managed to release marine products I don't have any interest in.

My existing SM armies:
DA = 0 Though If I find a well painted squad at a price I'm willing to pay I'm not opposed to adding Primaris to this force....
SW = 0 & never (other than my drop pods, this army is 100% 2e & RT era stuff.)
UM 9th co. = 0 & never (army is 100% RT vintage models.)
Doom Eagles = 0 Probably not ever going to add any Primaris here as this is an all jump pack force & I hate the jump pack primaris models.
Mentor Legion = I've got 1 min. squad of hellblasters. So I'll eventually get around to painting them up in the green & white of the Mentors.
Dreadnought Force = 1 Redemptor. I like dreads. So adding a redemptor to my options was a no-brainer. I'll eventually paint it up as Mentor Legion.

Honestly I figure that I'll just wait concerning the Primaris. While I find their options a bit sparse at the moment I'm sure GW will get around solving that. When they do I'll build an all Primaris army.

I have the marines from Dark Imperium, a three-man Reiver squad, a three-man Aggressor squad and an additional 4 or 5 primaris marines. I also have a Repulsor to ferry them about and a Primaris Dreadnought for support.

I already had 3, almost 4, full companies of older marine figures so this will likely be all I collect. I just wanted a sort of "1 of everything" to try them out on the field to see if I like them more than old-style marines. They are impressive looking, but I don't think I'll ever get rid of my older marine figures.

I have the SMs from B@C that when combined add up to about 1k. I don't play them as an army but they're on hand.

My regular SM army is x 20 intercessors; x 6 inceptors; x 10 helblasters; x 3 bolt aggressors; 1 captain; 1 chaplain; 1 apoth; 1 LT. All Primaris.

I bought starter set leftovers from a couple friends that play Death guard, found bunch of starter set leftovers at the FLGS, and found a couple good eBay deals. So, with that in mind...

Existing Dark Angels: 0, no room in the case.
Space Wolves: 6 Helblasters
Deathwatch: 20 Helblasters, 20 Intercessors
Ultramarines: (New army) Gravis Captain, 2 starter Lt., 30 Intercessors, 6 inceptors, 30 Helblasters.

Crimson Fists. Fully Painted (Got in before the wagon started rolling)

2 Gravis Captains
Chaplain
Librarian
Captain with plasma pistol and Power Fist
60 Intercessors
18 Inceptors (12 Assault Bolters, 6 Plasma)
15 Hellblasters
10 Heavy Hellblasters
5 Redemptors
1 Repulsor
10 Reivers
6 Bolter Aggressors
6 Flamer Aggressors

Well, for me its Primaris and Scouts, but no more the old Tactical Marines.
More concretely, 3x5 Intercessors and 3x5 Hellblasters.

I hate the primaris transport rules. Its makes no sense that they cant enter an "old" transport like razorback/rhino/drop pod, etc. Only their repulsor, which i dont own. I dont buy them because these transport rules for them are ridiculous. It also makes no sense that they cant have any special, or heavy weapons, like a regular tac squad. I like the models, though. I have a standard troop choice of 5, which i didnt buy, got them all for free.

0 Primaris officially in my 5000 point (or so) of Dark Angel.
2 characters unofficially.

I feel they are another model line, so I'll never add them to my existing force (I would start another Chapter instead, but outside of Intercessor no other Primaris model catch my interest).

However, I have 2 Primaris-size model from Scibor, a Liutenant/Captain and a Gravis terminator because I wasn't aware of them to being so big and epically scaled (fun fact: I bought both of them BEFORE Primaris come out... but they're perfectly Primaris-sized).

So, if I will ever make a Primaris force, it will be made by the basic Intercessor kit and a huge number of Scibor model: they're even pricier than GW, but the model quality is awesome and some of their model (black templar and son of lion... but the roman too) are better Primaris forces than GW official model, a lot of more character to them and quite distinctive.

I picked up 2 of the marine side of the DI box, but one of the gravis captains and one of the character+intercessor sprues went to The Boy. In addition to that, I’ve got 5 reivers, 3 agressors, 10 intercessors, a repulsor, Calgar + guard, and a captain.

This is divided between my Ultras and Deathwatch

Ultra:
5 DI intercessors (on sprue)
5 DI hellblasters (on sprue)
Calgar, Victix guard (built, not primed)
Ancient (primed)
3 intercessors (primed)
3 inceptors
5 hellblasters
repulsor
captain
2x Lt.s
7 intercessors

DW:
1 inceptor (on sprue)
5 reivers (clipped, in cleanup for build)
1 inceptor (built, not primed)
3 bolter aggressors (built, not primed)
1 inceptor (primed)
5 man intercessor squad w/rapid fire rifles
5 man intercessor squad w/ assault rifles

I’m not in any particular rush to add more to my Ultras. Maybe a reiver squad, or a 5 man intercessor kit to make some of the character options out of. DW might get a box of hellblasters to add some AV punch to the kill teams.

I like the models, dislike the fluff, and the rules are not all that. So overall I’m not driven to pick up a huge amount more then I already have. Ultras are mostly for novelty/fun, as I have a huge army of old stuff. DW I wanted to be able to put down 2 full fortis kill teams. Which I will have once everything gets built/painted.

For me it's 0!
In fact, the only units in my SW army that you can't use in 2nd ed that I have are drop pods, TWC, Fenrisian wolves and a stormfang/stormwolf (aside from basic tank options like the LR Crusader/Redeemer)

No primaris anything, no centurions, only basic dreadnaughts, only the basic landspeeders (no vengeance or storm)

Primaris are an "all or nothing" thing, for me. Which right now means nothing, as I can't really afford to start a new army. Eventually I might do a primaris raven guard someday. Just wish they had better vehicle options.

Zero for me, as GW decided that GK should not get them.

When Primaris got released, I started another Space Marine army, homebrewed Chapter. Mono-Primaris, no non-Primaris units (barring a unit of Scouts that only get played if I'm playing 10th Company, which I rarely do). At current moment, it's Battle Company sized with elements of the 10th Company.

My 2nd Company Ultramarines have no Primaris, but my 5th Company will be all Primaris.

So, "normal" for me is either all or nothing. I don't like mixing the Primaris and Mark 7 Marines.

Currently, 0.

Not that I don't like Primaris, but I don't like Marines, especially Marines infantry, to make it worth my while to buy more models for my Space Wolves. If I do buy more, I'd buy Predators and Vindicators.

That said, I really do like the Intercessors now with Bolter Discipline. I don't like their helmets, though.

 Melissia wrote:
Primaris are an "all or nothing" thing, for me. Which right now means nothing, as I can't really afford to start a new army. Eventually I might do a primaris raven guard someday. Just wish they had better vehicle options.

This is me too. Primaris and oldmarines together looks wrong to me, so I'm going to keep them apart. I still love oldmarines, and my Salamanders are going to stay that way.

I've got the Primaris half of Dark Imperium and Wake the Dead, so I'll probably do them as a different chapter when I finally get around to it - and to justify it being a mono-primaris force I'll probably make it either Ultima Founding or a chapter that was so close to destruction that after primaris reinforcements arrived they're basically a primaris army (e.g. Lamenters).

Primaris from DI, plus 10 Intercessor, 5 Hellblasters, 5 reivers, 3 agressor, 3 Inceptors and a Primaris Captain. But I maximun use the 3 Inceptors, 5 Hellblasters and a 5 man squad Intercessors.

I had a mental block on mixing Primaris and regular marines for a while, but I mix them now depending on what I need. Primaris stand on objectives being hard to shift, regular marines with better transport options go forward.

Overall I own:
1 Captain
1 Librarian
Several Lieutenants *
1 Apothecary *
1 Ancient *
6 min Intercessor squads (4 Bolt Rifles, 2 Stalkers, with a mix of CC weapons)
1 min Hellblaster squad
1 min Aggressor squad
2 Redemptors
With a box of Inceptors and a Repulsor on the way.

I have about twice that in regular marines.

* Kit-bashed.

0 as I feel like Primaris are uber heresy and a marketing move by GW with little to no regard to the established canon and theme if the setting.

I like the Primaris models and the lore doesn't bother me at all. But I didn't want to put them in my existing Blood Angels, so I started an all Primaris army.

Well, my current marine army is all Primaris. They just look so much better; I can't use the minimarines any longer.

0 primaris. They dont match the rest of my units in style. They cant use any of the transports i've painted. No thanks

I only collect Primaris for my Marine armies. I never liked the look of old marines.

0. I refuse to polute my DA or homebrew marines.

I have an ever increasing collection of sprues through subscription though, so may build them into their own chapter

I own a whole 1.

That said, I've not painted it yet, and have no intention of playing with it - I own around 3 companies of regular marines.

 p5freak wrote:
I hate the primaris transport rules. Its makes no sense that they cant enter an "old" transport like razorback/rhino/drop pod, etc. Only their repulsor, which i dont own. I dont buy them because these transport rules for them are ridiculous. It also makes no sense that they cant have any special, or heavy weapons, like a regular tac squad. I like the models, though. I have a standard troop choice of 5, which i didnt buy, got them all for free.

These are the most offending sales-driven rules GW ever published. I own a single Intercessor model gifted by my local GW shop. I had fun painting him and he now rests proudly on the base of one of my IK but I am not exchanging my vintage SM chapter with the brand new Primaris line. It also doesn´t help that only the Intercessors look good. The Reivers ripped of the NL and those fat jump pack troops look just plain stupid.

depends.
for my very long term in the works thematic ironhands it is 0 cuz it will be an exlusive dreadnough only army. there are far better regular dreads then the primaris dread.
for a more playable army, well i bought the imp fist battleforce box so that basicly mean 100% primaris.

I have a fair bit of Primaris in my force:

10x Intercessors
10x Hellblasters
10x Reivers
6x Inceptors

Normally I never really use them all at once, I usually take some Tacticals as well to make the most of Lias Issodon's infiltrator trickery, but I've certainly warmed to Primaris in recent times.

Zero, zip, nada, sweet fa.

I have zero primaris marines in my Blood Angels and I don't plan on changing that.

Zilch.

I already have about 9000 points of marines and their gear, I don't need or want any Primaris marines.

None. They look strange next to the marines already in my collection, and they don't synergize with the transports I already have. They also don't really serve a niche that can't already be accomplished with my normal marines.

The beta bolter rules have made the idea of adding Intercessors a bit more compelling. But If I decided to run some I don't think I'd run the new models since they still look out of place to me.

I might pick some up eventually, but there's just no rush.

My Crimson fists are all Primaris apart from 5 sternguard who are siege of new Rynn city veterans.

Model wise...

Primaris captain X 2
Primaris lieutenant X 2
Apothecary
Librarian
20 intercessors
15 hellblasters
1 redemptor
3 aggressors
Repulsor with forgeworld doors

Lets see, in addition to my 1 1/2 companies of Ultra Marines 2nd Company I now have....

Calgar + Friends
1 Captain
1 Gravis Captain
1 Converted Librarian
2 Ancients
4! LTs
1 Apothecary
1 Chaplain
30 Intercessors
15 Reivers
15 Hellblasters
6 Bolt Aggressors
6 Inceptors
2 Redemptors
2 Repulsors

20 DW Intercessors
5 DW Reivers
+ about 35 assorted regular DW vets

I have too darn many if thats what you want to ask!

I actually quite enjoy the look of the models and they are amazing sculpts. Now with bolter drill they are pretty sturdy and can dish out quite a bit of firepower downrange. My only complaint is that they cannot take drop pods.

Zero from me, too. (though I got a few heads off ebay?)

My main issue is the scale jump - I've got a lot foot-sloggin' Black Templars infantry, and just one Primaris Marine would dwarf even my terminators, and make them look like silly little babby marines.
I like the goofier older proportions of the marines, and on top of that, have too many silly little plastic men anyway. Before 8th dropped, I was planning to wrap this army up. With Primaris being mostly sit-and-shoot, which doesn't sit well with how I play my Templars, I couldn't even justify buying them for a strategic advantage, while the more close-combat oriented models - aggressors and reivers - really don't do it for me aesthetically.
My main issue with both of those is that their designs invoke other marine ranks - chaplains for the reivers, librarians for the aggressors (the hoods - I nearly got aggressors, but the hoods put me off) - with almost no reason at all. While Templars don't have librarians, I really love my chaplians, and think the skull helm is really iconic and unique, and I dislike how that's sort of been taken by these oversized, overdetailed scout stand-ins with silly shorts and stubby wings who also have grappling hooks because they weren't overcrowded enough.

Also! Redemptor dred! I felt like GW possibly sabotaged one of their best designs with the redemptor! I love the contrast the drednought had with the rest of sci-fis battle robots. In a world dominated by sleek, responsive humanoid battle machines, with hotshot pilots, GW made a lumbering, anonymous, sinister box, with enough firepower to level a block of flats in mere moments, piloted by the enraged cadavers of some long-forgotten hero, too useful to be allowed the respite of death! It was brilliant! Those dinky old box dreads are beautiful! I know the redemptor isn't the first dred with knees, but it's probably the most articulated thus far, and I think it's a mistake.

TBH I never really 'got' true scale marines, and the community's obsession with them. But if ever GW releases Primaris Black Templars characters (mark that on my calendar next to characters for Dark Eldar and the new Guard regiments), I guess I'll be making 'classic-scale' conversions of them.

My Crimson Fists are all Primaris. About 2 companies worth.

Only non-primaris I have are deathwatch vets and Gorgon terminators. Oh and I guess space hulk terminators.

I know I'm in the vaaaaast minority but I've stayed away from 40k for years because I just didn't like the silly proportions of the models. Mini Marines look goofy as heck and most terminators look like their heads are growing out of their chests.

I own 2 primaris reivers (Jago and Kaede, high killcount between them) for my Marines Malevolent kill team and 1 grav captain painted as a Star Phantom that I did for fun.

Otherwise, zero in my primary gaming collection. I primarily play heresy-era Iron Warriors so it would make no sense to have them.

None, I don't want them.

All primaris all the time. Old marines are dead to me. They just look silly compared to the better proportioned and posed primaris.

I honestly tried to fit them into my armies but they just don't hold up on the battle field.

I have an entire shelf of freshly painted hellblasters, inceptors (plasma and bolter), intercessors (these actually get some run as deathwatch since I can only deepstrike in 3 vet squads and with the new bolter rule they are not terrible for backfield objective holders), aggressors, repulsor and redemptor. All of them are trash when played against any half decent army (eldar soups, imperial soups, tau, orcs, nids and now GSC).

2 wounds 3+ armor save isn't enough to protect units that cost as much as they do. The repulsor costs too much and the redemptor tries to do too many things and they both are too fragile.

I'm hoping that GW wakes up and these models get a massive points reduction or a swath of new rules because I actually like them (if they weren't so mono posed they'd be really nice but a dash of bits helps a lot.) They're easy to paint and I enjoy the scale. But given the current meta landscape they just don't belong anywhere near a competitive board.

I think they will drop in points when old marines disappear. Until then they need to keep them more expensive than regular ones.

My fluffy Deathwatch list. I'd have more bodies and fewer toys in there but wanted it to be one full Watch Company

Characters = Primaris Captain, Librarian, Apothecary

KT 1 = 5 Intercessors, 5 Boltstorm Aggressors
KT 2 = 5 Intercessors, 5 Hellblasters
KT 3 = 10 Intercessors
KT 4 = 5 Intercessors with ABRs, Reiver, Flamestorm Aggressor, and 3 Plasma Inceptors as a separate FA choice

Toys: Repulsor with lasers, Corvus with lasers, Redemptor with gatlings

I have the Gravis Cpt, 1 librarian, 1bolt rifle LT, BP/sword LT, 20 Intercessors, 5 hellblasters, 20 reivers (10 carbine, 10 blade/pistol), 3 inceptors, 6 aggressors (3 flame, 3 HB) Redempter dread, transport. Was gonna make an all space Wolf primaris great company and with the new libby plus vanguard marines I can't wait to add to all my primaris force.

Currently own zero Primaris. Unlikely to change in the near future.
Dont hate them or anything, just find them quite boring.

Aside from adding to my 30k collection, I don't think I could go back to oldmarines. The only value I'd have for them would be for conversion parts for my 30k or Primaris armies. I certainly won't go and replace all I own with Primaris, that would be ridiculous, but any further armies I do will be Primaris. My homebrew chapter will be exclusively Primaris, any other Marine Chapters I start will be Primaris, and any expansions to my Ultramarines will probably be Primaris.

None at all, with no plans to add any ever (including the new vanguard ones just shown).

I just have the Dark Imperium stuff, the birthday captain and a second box of unbuilt intercessors. As for my list, the only primaris included is ten intercessors, accompanied by the captain with PF and PP, and the Leiutenant with PS and BP, it's a roving death squad that bullies pretty much any infantry. And the Captain with power fist and Iron Resolve wrecks in CC, one game he killed two armigers and a helverin. When I get round to building them I might change that up to 20 intercessors, and depending on the rules I'll field the new stuff in Shadowspear. Either way though I'm gonna buy it because raptors. But most of my list is old marines, I love them way more than primaris fluff wise, and honestly I might never get around to the gravis captain and flying dudes from Dark Imperium.

Understanding how GW works, I own a single normal marine, a Skulls Ultramarine Ancient, that was an honorable mention for a Golden Demon long ago. All the rest of my 3K marine force is Primaris, and Gman.

Classic marines are dead as squats and benwa ball dreadnoughts. Most likely never going to go fully 100% away, but finding and getting a few of them is going to be a Ebay/FW exercise.

0. I'm taking advantage of the primaris scare to get regular marine stuff at dirt cheap prices Plus I play Lamenters and Alpha Legion, 2 armies not exactly known for having Primaris. I mean yes, they got reformed with Primaris, but I like playing old, repentance crusade Lamenters. And my alphas are CSM, so no primaris there even if I do use loyalist kits for them.

Not really knocking primaris, but I find their lack of customization both aesthetically and tactically really boring. I get some every so often in trades and usually give them away for a song. I just feel every army looks the same. Once you've seen one gravis captain you've seen them all, so on and so forth. Whereas with old marines you can do way more in regards to loadout, armor marks, heads, kit and pouches, you get the idea.

Zero.

I have fully painted Primaris marines from First Strike but they don't form part of my army. I'm old school marines all the way

I'm curious what these vanguards will be like.

Either 0% or 100%. I love Primaris; they are beautiful. I also love squatties.

BUT NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET!

Mixing sqautties with Primaris is an abomination and I will fight any man, woman or child who says otherwise!

I'm really looking forward to the new stuff and will fosho buy the box.

I run 15-20 in 1500 point games. Both my BAs and SWs have 2 squads of Intercessors. They are great objective campers, even moreso with Bolter Discipline.

My SWs usually get some Hellblasters to march up the field with Bjorn while by Blood Angels have been getting a lot of mileage out of Inceptors, even with the price hike to UWOF.

It seems like there's a common pattern to the responses here. I too felt they needed to be a separate army. My Dark angels have 0. My crimson fists are entirely primaris.

I have the following, fully painted and ready to go.

1 x Gravis Captain
1 x Primaris Captain with Fist and Plasma
1 x Marneus Calgar
1 x Librarian
2 x Honor Guard
4 x Lieutenants including Calsius and Ltd Editions
1 x Apothecary
1 x Chapter Ancient
30 x Intercessors
3 x Additional Sgts with different wargear
10 x Reivers
5 x Aggressors
3 x Inceptors
10 x Hellblasters
2 x Repulsors
2 x Redemptors
1 x Guilliman (He is the Lord of the Primaris after all)


Bring on Wave 2, Can't wait to add more! I already like the Primaris more than I ever liked the classic Marines including my HH army lol

0 for me, as all of my Space Marines were built with Horus Heresy in mind foremost, occasionally with some 40K units added (such as Bjorn or Wulfen) for flavour and to make the army actually "work" in 40K.

When Tooth & Claw was released, I was _extremely_ tempted for a short while to start introducing Primaris elements into the army, but they just didn't mesh well at all with either my Heresy aesthetic or with the Space Wolves army list from a rules perspective.

There are some cool minis in the Primaris range, and there's a lot that I like, but they're just too basic and underdeveloped at this stage to get excited about for me.

I had a browse through the whole thread. Lots of Primaris haters.

Move on guys, its been two years. If you ain't buying GW ain't caring about you anways lol

 Brother Castor wrote:
I have fully painted Primaris marines from First Strike but they don't form part of my army. I'm old school marines all the way

Having said that, I'm going to try them in Kill Team...

I have a mixed DA army.

Azrael
Sammael on Corvex
10 Tacticals
7 Scouts
6 Ravenwing Bikes
Attack Bike
Ravenwing Land Speeder
5 Devs
Drop Pod

plus

Primaris Librarian
Primaris Lt.
5 Intercessors
3 Aggressors
3 Inceptors
10 Hellblasters

 Ishagu wrote:
I had a browse through the whole thread. Lots of Primaris haters.

Move on guys, its been two years. If you ain't buying GW ain't caring about you anways lol

Not buying is the only way we have to express to them our disdain.

It's called voting with your wallet, only thing most companies really listen to.

I wonder if there are still many people whose marine armies are solely made out of Rogue Trader era MK6 beakies and who are still mad at GW for introducing this scale creepy MK7 nonsense, not to mention removing the ability to arm your marines with shuriken catapults.

Saying "all of nothing" doesn't mean you hate primaris. It just means you feel they look better or play better when used as a coherent primaris-centered force.


Primaris aren't the same as beakie helmets vs non-beakie helmets. They actually play differently than normal marines. For example, they can't get inside of Rhinos or Razorbacks. So if you use a mechanized force, Primaris actually don't fit in to that force at all.

It's quite interesting how many DA players there are that refuse the models & the fluff.

Having said, primaris is heresy.

If I do end up getting primaris, they'll be turned into alpha legion count-as.

The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

 Ishagu wrote:
The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

It's not elitist to have standards.

So shouldn't you be throwing your classic Marines away? The Primaris certainly look a lot better.

 Ishagu wrote:
The only Heresy is to refuse them.

Classic Marines will be supported for a long time yet. Primaris will get lots of awesome releases in the coming years.

You can be some elitist about it, or you can realise that nothing lasts forever and that no one will take your collection away.

Before Primaris came out I had no interest to add any more Astartes to my collection. Thanks to them I now have an extra 3/4k of models lol

Honestly, in my experience lurking online forums and reddit, it tends to be the people like you who are all about primaris tend to be the more elitist ones. I see a lot more bad mouthing of people who like classic marines than of people who prefer primaris ones. There are a lot of valid reasons to dislike primaris marines. If you like them that's good for you, everyone is entitled to their opinion and it's not up to me to tell you what's good and what isn't.

Primaris marines, and the path 8th edition has been taking, almost killed my interest in Warhammer completely, until people I know with similar feelings started getting into Horus Heresy. Thanks to 30k I now have about 3,000 more points of models.

I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are no longer usable.
My classic Marine collection is bigger than most's. I even have a large Horus Heresy army and characters from multiple Legions. I was annoyed about the Primaris for a week, then I realised that in the long run they'll become the best representation of Marines on the tabletop. Great models, great look, great design, great philosophy. Also people complain about the lore. Clearly thy aren't reading anything as BL has put out some of their best books in the post Gathering Storm setting.

Haters gonna have to get over it

 Ishagu wrote:
I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are redundant.

But you ARE saying its "redundant to hate new things".

As posted above, everyone is entitled to their opinion, and this a forum to share those differing opinions.

In my opinion, introducing primaris as a replacement line for old tacs would've had less opposition, rather than introducing them as "better marines". If this was the case, then purchasing the primaris line would have been an optional choice if you wanted a better sculpt and better scale, much like how the transition during the old 2nd ed tac/termies to the 3rd ed, and not for the purpose of replacing the 'I'm never gonna use these" tac marines with "I might sometimes use them" primaris marines.

People were angry when GW changed the base sizes of Marines. I guess the hobby is full of easily offended, overly angry people.

They would have been livid to have to replace their models. This way you don't have to change anything, these are a new line entirely.

It's the best way to do it. The standard range is massive and bloated, it needs nothing new.

 Ishagu wrote:
People were angry when GW changed the base sizes of Marines. I guess the hobby is full of easily offended, overly angry people.

They would have been livid to have to replace their models. This way you don't have to change anything, these are a new line entirely.

It's the best way to do it. The standard range is massive and bloated, it needs nothing new.

It needs nothing new you say, and yet you're pushing for an entire new line.

Providing updated models for existing units don't add to the bloat. When you're starting to add primaris marines to soon replace tac marines, you're adding to the bloat until the latter is completely removed from the game. And at that point, you've done nothing to reduce the bloat - just changed one bloat with another bloat.

And people were only mad at the base size changes because the base size regulation was implied in 7th edition. 8th ed has made it clear that there are no base size rules and people are free to use whatever they deem fitting, barring TO rulings at tourneys.

A fresh start with a different design philosophy.

Primaris are Specialists. Regular Astartes as Generalists. It's a different thing entirely, but with the pull of being Space Marines.


I had to bring this up in this topic as the haters don't merely say they haven't made purchases, they go out of their way to complain about the Primaris. Well I've had enough of whingers in every. single. topic.

Hobby would be better without you. New people come across the complaining all the time and it turn them away.

 Ishagu wrote:
A fresh start with a different design philosophy.

Primaris are Specialists. Regular Astartes as Generalists. It's a different thing entirely, but with the pull of being Space Marines.


I had to bring this up in this topic as the haters don't merely say they haven't made purchases, they go out of their way to complain about the Primaris. Well I've had enough of whingers in every. single. topic.

Hobby would be better without you. New people come across the complaining all the time and it turn them away.

Because sharing the reason why some of us here don't include primaris into his/her existing army is "complaining" about primaris?

People can choose to like or dislike things. It's one thing to rebut a statement, but it's another to attack the posters for being "haters", "stuck in the past", "get over it", "angry people", "livid", "edgy" so on and so forth.

What's a good reason, exactly?

Not liking something is a good reason. Otherwise we would have to assume a priori that not liking primaris is a bad thing.

 Ishagu wrote:
I'm not the one stuck in the past, am I?

It's not edgy to hate the new things. It's redundant. People had two years to moan about Primaris. That time has passed.

GW are starting from scratch with a new range, better scale, better core rules, better designed units in terms of function. No one is saying old collections are no longer usable.
My classic Marine collection is bigger than most's. I even have a large Horus Heresy army and characters from multiple Legions. I was annoyed about the Primaris for a week, then I realised that in the long run they'll become the best representation of Marines on the tabletop. Great models, great look, great design, great philosophy. Also people complain about the lore. Clearly thy aren't reading anything as BL has put out some of their best books in the post Gathering Storm setting.

Haters gonna have to get over it

This is all your opinion presented as fact, granted it's a perfectly valid opinion. It seems like your view is if someone prefers classic marines then they wrong and need to change their mind, which is a pretty elitist view. Myself and many other people have the exact opposite opinion on the models, rules, and current lore.

I don't hate all the new models, I think the new chaos stuff revealed looks pretty cool, even though it will probably lack customization options and I like the new genestealer cult line. I believe the primaris models are boring and bland, they move away from the gothic grimdark look, and look more like generic sci-fi soldiers. I prefer the customization and cross compatibility of older sets. I love mixing up all the different armor marks and gear to make guys that are unique and truly my own. While technically old marines will always be usable in 40k it will be as count as or using inferior rules like what all the old warhammer fantasy armies that were squatted in sigmar have. I honestly think that they should've updated all the ranges with old models that are still finecast, instead of giving space marines who had a complete model line, in my opinion, a unneeded update.

I also think 8th editions rules are too streamlined and make less logical sense than older editions, as a way to appeal to the lowest common denominator, granted I still play it every few weeks and enjoy Cities of Death. I also think it is just as unbalanced and broken as past editions and is nowhere near the best ruleset. I honestly think Horus Heresy has the best one. I'm sorry if this seems a bit like a rant I just don't really like when people present their subjective opinion as fact and frame differing ones as being wrong.

No, not at all. You can prefer the classic, that's totally valid. Just stop attacking the Primaris.

 Ishagu wrote:
What's a good reason, exactly?

Including but not limited to: scale difference, details, aesthetics, redundancy in functionality, mono poses & lack of customization, added bloat, and simply plain old "I just don't like it. It's not my cup of tea"

I personally don't see the reason for a whole new line with whole new sets of rules for the things that already exist in non-primaris form.

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Let's imagine guardsmen also gets the primaris treatment and get taller than, say ogryns - is it going to look good on the table top? No, it'll just look like you've added a model from a different range of miniatures.

 skchsan wrote:

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Right. So build a pure Primaris army. Problem solved.

 Crimson wrote:

 skchsan wrote:

Do I think they look good? Yes, absolutely. Do I think it's what SM should've been ages ago? Yes, absolutely. Do I think they mix well into existing armies? No, absolutely not.

Right. So build a pure Primaris army. Problem solved.

Which is exactly what I said

If I do end up getting primaris down the line, I'd like to use their new scale to represent how alpha legionnaires are taller and bigger than their cousins.

 Ishagu wrote:
No, not at all. You can prefer the classic, that's totally valid. Just stop attacking the Primaris.

Besides possibly what I said to express my opinion against yours, which could probably be seen as attacking classic marines and people who prefer them. I haven't seem any people attacking Primaris marines, just criticizing them in the same way people are criticizing the classic ones.

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder if there are still many people whose marine armies are solely made out of Rogue Trader era MK6 beakies and who are still mad at GW for introducing this scale creepy MK7 nonsense, not to mention removing the ability to arm your marines with shuriken catapults.

Most of us are mad because our entire army is on the chopping block. I started in 5th and have never seen an entire range go away. I have zero interest in fake marines (the cash grab edition), particularly since GW is going out of its way to make sure that the entire existing range can't be used.

For my entire time I've been a 40k player, Squatting was universally treated as the worst thing GW could do and the community was not kind to them for doing it. Lately that attitude seems to be lax.

Who says they are going away, seriously?

I imagine they'll be fully supported with rules for the next 10+ years at the bare minimum!!

Beyond that? Well...
Nothing lasts forever. You have to accept that. One day Primaris might be in the same position. That's fine, we have to move on. If things didn't change, evolve or get replaced it would be awful.

Your reaction is emotional and not logical. I'll PayPal you 50 quid if standard Marines have no rules in the next 3 years lol

 Ishagu wrote:
Who says they are going away, seriously?

I imagine they'll be fully supported with rules for the next 10+ years at the bare minimum!!

Beyond that? Well...
Nothing lasts forever. You have to accept that. One day Primaris might be in the same position. That's fine, we have to move on. If things didn't change, evolve or get replaced it would be awful.

Your reaction is emotional and not logical. I'll PayPal you 50 quid if standard Marines have no rules in the next 3 years lol

this, it's safe to assume the phase out, if it ever fully happens will be VERY slow. we're not going toi see old marines suddenly disapper in an edition.

I started in 5th and have never seen an entire range go away

Renegades and Heretics.

Elysian Drop Troopers.

And they have no update in sight, I for one welcome our new Primaris Overlords.

I will be starting my Primaris army with the Shadowspear box. I will be splitting it with my dad, He'll be taking the chaos portion, I the Primaris. I'm very excited.

The whole reason that GW released Primaris the way they did was because they plan on keeping standard marines too. Too many players have invested in standard marines over the years to be alienated. That's why there are 71 standard marine datasheets in Codex SM. That's why Primaris and standard marines can't share transports. Sure GW may only release new Primaris models going forward, but I'm certain the rules for standard marines will remain. That way GW gets to focus investment on new Primaris miniatures but only has to spend a relatively small amount of money maintaining the rules for standard marines in order to keep existing players happy and to continue to sell the existing product lines. And of course, all the time they continue to sell standard marines (the Start Collecting! box for example) they are creating brand new players to alienate if they did ever want to squat them, so I just don't see it happening.

I only use a Squad of Intercessors as sort of an overpriced meat shield regularly.
I like Hellblasters and Inceptors, but usually I use normal marine options instead.
I hate all the HQs since they can't be customized in terms of load out.

I play Salamanders and they're just not very compatible with any of the Primaris aside from flame Aggressors, but I don't really like those guys rules wise - the double tap rule is just really awkward to use with flamers.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Ishagu wrote:
Who says they are going away, seriously?

I imagine they'll be fully supported with rules for the next 10+ years at the bare minimum!!

Beyond that? Well...
Nothing lasts forever. You have to accept that. One day Primaris might be in the same position. That's fine, we have to move on. If things didn't change, evolve or get replaced it would be awful.

Your reaction is emotional and not logical. I'll PayPal you 50 quid if standard Marines have no rules in the next 3 years lol

this, it's safe to assume the phase out, if it ever fully happens will be VERY slow. we're not going toi see old marines suddenly disapper in an edition.

In terms of rules, I think you're right. I don't think the datasheets for oldmarines are going anywhere for a long time yet. My fear is that we can't say the same thing for the oldmarine product line. I actually love Primaris, and I'm totally on board for adopting them at some point in the future, but I still have a ton of oldmarine stuff I want to buy before I consider my current project finished, and my fear is that the decision has already been made not to do any more print reruns for some of the stuff on my wishlist, so that once it's gone, it's gone!

 Sir Heckington wrote:

I started in 5th and have never seen an entire range go away

Renegades and Heretics.

Elysian Drop Troopers.

And they have no update in sight, I for one welcome our new Primaris Overlords.

I will be starting my Primaris army with the Shadowspear box. I will be splitting it with my dad, He'll be taking the chaos portion, I the Primaris. I'm very excited.

To be fair, RnH and elysians arent apples to apple comparison. Those two were mainly lore only and the models were developed by FW by popular demand.

 TechnoWitch wrote:
Primaris marines, and the path 8th edition has been taking, almost killed my interest in Warhammer completely, until people I know with similar feelings started getting into Horus Heresy. Thanks to 30k I now have about 3,000 more points of models.

Why? Standard marines haven't gone anywhere in 8th edition.

Redemptor is quite solid after ca.

It is rapidly approaching "Everything but Pedro" for my Crimson Fists. If the Fire Support Jump Pack dudes pan out along with the Eliminators, I might be removing my Lascannon Devastators. As of right now, about 75% of my army is Primaris. The small squads paired with Crimson Fists Chapter Tactics leads to me getting my bonus to hit easier, while still having dudes with two wounds running around.

Zero for me. I've 3.5k of Ultramarines, not too interested in mixing old and primaris. Though someday I may get some primaris and do an all-primaris army of some kind or another. Maybe they will come out with a better DT for them than that ridiculous Repulsor. We'll see!

 Brother Castor wrote:

 TechnoWitch wrote:
Primaris marines, and the path 8th edition has been taking, almost killed my interest in Warhammer completely, until people I know with similar feelings started getting into Horus Heresy. Thanks to 30k I now have about 3,000 more points of models.

Why? Standard marines haven't gone anywhere in 8th edition.

It's pretty obvious that Primaris Marines are gonna replace them in the coming editions. As I mentioned earlier the most likely scenario is that they'll end up crappy rules pdf rules or something like that, like the armies in age of sigmar that were squatted, and get zero additional support. I don't like the prospect of an army I started collecting about a year before primaris marines were announced being made basically obsolete in the near future. If they just released a line of larger scaled marines I wouldn't have had a problem, but since it's a new army and units that are clearly meant to replace mine it just completely turns me off. I could probably do some count as in the future but I could see some people having problems since my classic marines will technically exist as units still in the game, and if the vehicles follow the trend of being skimmers I can't really use my current ones as them. The fact that my classic marines are most likely always gonna be supported in 30k was a big factor for me getting into it, and gives me motivation to still buy them.

 TechnoWitch wrote:
It's pretty obvious that Primaris Marines are gonna replace them in the coming editions.

I'll believe it's "obvious" they're going to do that once they are able to step foot in to a rhino. The fact that GW explicitly excluded primaris marines from being able to do many of the things non-primaris marines can do, and have explicitly limited the roles of primaris marines, makes it obvious to me they're NOT going to replace, but supplement.

 TechnoWitch wrote:

It's pretty obvious that Primaris Marines are gonna replace them in the coming editions. As I mentioned earlier the most likely scenario is that they'll end up crappy rules pdf rules or something like that ... The fact that my classic marines are most likely always gonna be supported in 30k was a big factor for me getting into it, and gives me motivation to still buy them.

So you skipped 8th edition on the off chance that they wouldn't be supported in 9th

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
It is rapidly approaching "Everything but Pedro" for my Crimson Fists. If the Fire Support Jump Pack dudes pan out along with the Eliminators, I might be removing my Lascannon Devastators. As of right now, about 75% of my army is Primaris. The small squads paired with Crimson Fists Chapter Tactics leads to me getting my bonus to hit easier, while still having dudes with two wounds running around.

Then you only need to convert a Primaris Pedro!

 Brother Castor wrote:

 TechnoWitch wrote:

It's pretty obvious that Primaris Marines are gonna replace them in the coming editions. As I mentioned earlier the most likely scenario is that they'll end up crappy rules pdf rules or something like that ... The fact that my classic marines are most likely always gonna be supported in 30k was a big factor for me getting into it, and gives me motivation to still buy them.

So you skipped 8th edition on the off chance that they wouldn't be supported in 9th

I didn't really skip it, I played it a lot until early last summer and even started a new Drukhari army last spring, and I still play it every once in awhile. I just kinda gave up on my Blood angels in it. I'm also just kinda bored of 8th and don't really enjoy the rules that much, outside of the occasional Cities of Death game. Like primaris marines are just one factor in me not playing it much, if this editions ruleset were better I would just have expanded my dark eldar more.

 TechnoWitch wrote:

 Brother Castor wrote:

 TechnoWitch wrote:

It's pretty obvious that Primaris Marines are gonna replace them in the coming editions. As I mentioned earlier the most likely scenario is that they'll end up crappy rules pdf rules or something like that ... The fact that my classic marines are most likely always gonna be supported in 30k was a big factor for me getting into it, and gives me motivation to still buy them.

So you skipped 8th edition on the off chance that they wouldn't be supported in 9th

I didn't really skip it, I played it a lot until early last summer and even started a new Drukhari army last spring, and I still play it every once in awhile. I just kinda gave up on my Blood angels in it. I'm also just kinda bored of 8th and don't really enjoy the rules that much, outside of the occasional Cities of Death game. Like primaris marines are just one factor in me not playing it much, if this editions ruleset were better I would just have expanded my dark eldar more.

Fair enough.

 TechnoWitch wrote:
I could probably do some count as in the future but I could see some people having problems since my classic marines will technically exist as units still in the game, and if the vehicles follow the trend of being skimmers I can't really use my current ones as them.

This is exactly why I would expect rules "support" to continue long after the models themselves have gone to No Longer Available. They don't want you to be able to use your old marines as primaris. There are a lot of old bolter marines out there, outnumbering every other model GW has ever produced by a large margin, and as long as they have rules separate from primaris you can't use them as counts as.