So supposedly someone over on the Aeldari Facebook page posted this. Supposedly gleamed from a whiteboard at GW. Take with massive salt but even if 10% is tru might be interesting
Aside from "Dark Eldar will remain its own faction" I think it's all made up on the 40K Front. Especially the Orks vs Tau Set. No Imperium in a Box Set is highly unlikely.
Mmhmm. Anonymous starting with 'no one will believe me.' Always a good sign.
No real reason to phase Seraphon out. There isn't exactly IP competition there, and they were the first old army to get slotted into AoS.
Skeptical of _Daughters_ getting assorted DE units. Less of tossing out more WFB stuff.
2 upcoming elf projects. Yeah, we know that. That's been on the walls since at least 2.0. Though I'd expect surviving DE units would end up here.
Sure. Why not orcs? There will almost always be Stormcast in the other slot, so that's hardly a prediction at this point.
Not sure what happy implies? That those are done?
Yeah, yeah. Slaves to Darkness will happen eventually. Another given.
Eh? Nurgle fits for the Beastgrave expansion, I guess, but Flesheaters? Well, ok.
Yay, more endlessness. This would only be interesting if they went away afterwards. They're eating time for unit production in the factory.
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Yep. People definitely care less about 40k.
Merger and no aspects? I can already hear the screaming. Not totally discounting it, but this would be angry-making for lots of people, with ZERO upside.
Sure. DE can stay. Not sure why that would be news.
Ah, the famous SoB starter. We'll see. (This is the... fifth... year running for this particular rumour?
Yay, more knights.... yawn.
EC- two kits seem insufficient, especially compared to TS and DG.
New Harlies. Sure. That would make sense with trashing the eldar line. >.>
Random. Unless they're updating one of those armies around the same time, and even then, I'd still expect one side to be marines.
I remember the list of leaked upcoming products from a while back.
Anyone remember these:
Spoiler:
281041230110209 Imperial Agents Enforcer with Heavy Stubber RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 284054630110202 Kroot Kroothawks RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 286010311080200 Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack PL a10 XianD 02 cc 286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE c01 Len_B 02 cc --- A Patriarch model? 280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL a18 Len_A 02 cc 281047530110208 Imperial Agents Obsideo Assassin RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280002430140206 Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280002230140208 Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280000330740205 Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 288023030140207 Harlequin Solitaire RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 283041230710209 Cabal Tarellian Cotor with Dragontongue RE b07 Len_B 02 cc 283041530110204 Cabal Alpha Psyker RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 282021211440203 Mechanicus Battle-Servitors / Khorne Caedes Engines PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 287018930140205 Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 285000030110204 Cypher RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 256145512010301 Tau Empire Nautilus Defence Platform PL a20 Len_B 03 cc 256146011840307 Tau Empire Mako PL a18 Len_A 03 cc 256145730740301 Commander Farsight RE b07 Len_A 03 cc 256146211440307 Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings / Vespid Spinewings PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 208263530941100 The Avatar of Khaine RE b09 Len_A 11 cc 208284511450206 Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208284711550201 Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208285011450208 Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208285230150200 Eldar Black Warden RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208297830180402 Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister RE c01 XianD 04 cc 208281811450202 Eldar Eldritch Raiders PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208282112050207 Eldar Webway Gate PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283411250206 Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper PL a12 Len_C 02 cc 208283512050200 Eldar Spirit Warrior PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283911550202 Eldar Dragon Riders PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208286130150208 Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286230150207 Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286330150206 Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286430150205 Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286530150204 The Avatar of the Young King RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 206304411040306 Chaos Dark Chapel Upgrade Pack PL a10 Len_A 03 cc 206304711540308 Chaos Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 03 cc 206305211440303 Chaos Noise Marines PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 206304811440300 Chaos Thousand Sons PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 200462312010203 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Defence Wall PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200462412010202 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Tower / Pillar of Heroes PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200462512340209 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Monastery PL a23 Len_A 02 cc 208281612050205 Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283611550205 Eldar Jetbikes PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208287930150207 Eldar Warlock with Force Staff RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208288530950204 Eldar Swooping Hawks RE b09 Len_C 02 cc 200470512040203 Space Marine Land Avenger PL a20 Len_A 02 cc 200468512010203 Space Marine Praetor Warmachine PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200465411540206 Space Marine Bike Squadron / Crusader Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 200467830740205 Space Marine Skyshatter Cannon RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 200469630140209 Space Marine Terminator First Hand RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200469230140203 Space Marine Librarian with Jump Pack RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200462811440204 Space Marine Neophytes PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200464511440201 Space Marine Techmarine with Artificer Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200468011440204 Space Marine Sword Brethren / Nightflame Veteran Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200472230140203 Space Marine Librarian Epistolary RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200475630110203 Paladin Marshall Sieghelm RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200470612040202 Space Marine Land Avenger Vulkan / Land Avenger Invictus PL a20 Len_A 02 cc 200470331080275 Space Marine Bionics Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li 200470231080276 Space Marine Defender Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li 200471330110208 Iron Father Maalthun RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200471730110204 Chapter Master Tu’Shan RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200480130110202 Severus Agemman, Regent of Ultramar RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200480630110207 Helveticus the Ancient, Bearer of Honour RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 201278911240205 Ork Warbuggy / Deff Racer PL a12 Len_A 02 cc 201281911240205 Ork Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk PL a12 Len_A 02 cc 201279011540202 Ork Deff Koptas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 201286730140200 Wazzdakka Gutsmek RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 227162030941106 Dark Eldar Grotesque Squad RE b09 Len_A 11 cc 202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc 202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc 271074511840390 Bloodthirster PL a18 Len_A 03 186080111840398 271074611840399 Lord of Change PL a18 Len_A 03 186080211840397 271074811440399 Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies PL a14 Len_A 03 186080311440398 201281712010205 Ork Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201279412010205 Ork Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201283811440204 Ork Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 201279911440206 Ork Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 201285130140209 Ork Warphead RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201283912010207 Ork Klan Fort PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201284130740204 Ork Boar Squigs RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 201284430940212 Ork Squiggotaur RE b09 Len_A 02 mf 201283611540203 Ork Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 201285230140208 Ork Painboy with Cleava Harness RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201285630140204 Ork Grot Nurses RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201286930140208 Gorbuzz ThreeEye RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201287430140200 Gritlegg Maksmesh RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201288330140208 Boss-Kommissa Grotzki RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200461211440203 Space Marine Scouts with Astartes Grenade Launchers PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200467911540205 Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 200465011440203 Space Marine Space Marine Tactical Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200465512010202 Space Marine Land Raider Medusa PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 271081411840399 Great Unclean One PL a18 Len_A 03 186083311840397 271081511840398 Keeper of Secrets PL a18 Len_A 03 186083411840396
Yeah. Me neither.
Still waiting for my Eldar Warp Spider/Evergaurd combo box.
There are about a hundred different red flags here. Existing dark elves units will not got mixed with DAUGHTERS of Khaine. They would dilute the theme of the faction. Also why keep the other units now if only to phase them out in a few months.
Seraphon going away is a 2014 rumour. They will probably reduce the range a bit but giant dinosaurs are an enduringly popular concept.
If this is from an actual meeting, why not name the Aelf factions? We have known for some time that we will get light and shadow Aelves eventually. It would make more thematic sense to include the current dark elf units with the shadow Aelves.
Fec and nurgle are guesses already made by Hastings on war of sigmar whose other guesses have already been proven at least partially incorrect. All 8 warbands from season 3 will already have been sculpted so why not list them all along with their names?
If you are at a gw meeting why write two possible release date for a forthcoming battletome, especially one that is due so soon?
Looks like some inferred guesses with random wishlisting thrown in.
The Sisters based box is happening - the majority of previewed plastics are blatantly easy build/starter versions so the box is coming, it’s just anyone’s guess who they are fighting.
Eldar merging with Ynarri - best guessing based on the latest 40k preview being an Eldar sigil - though presumably the “leaker” hasn’t noticed what the sigilis made up of, plus fluff wise it wouldn’t make much difference as the Eldar united with them would essentially mean same faction different name.
The Dark Elves? DOK already started it with doomfure warlocks, if two new elven factions are coming (which is already a long rumour based on various things) then its likely these older resins will be ditched and the plastics go LCTB/ merge elsewhere to allow existing armies to be used.
Not to mention that anyone in that kind of meeting is unlikely to risk their position by leaking anything. There’s a fair few areas of HQ where just taking a photo would get you a final warning or fired.
top sign this is BS is the Orks vs Tau set. it won't happen because GW knows damn well it'd not sell well. for a boxed set to be popular ideally you want at least ONE soupable faction. I could see maybe Chaos something vs a Xenos race. but Orks vs Tau? not gonna happen
This list looks more like a deliberate attempt to to trigger people than a genuine leak. People want new Aspect Warriors? They go the way of the dodo. People are dissapointed that no new Fyreslayer miniatures were released? GW is ok with the line. Sprinkle some common expectations on top of that and voila, you've got a BS pie with a cherry on top.
H.B.M.C. wrote: I remember the list of leaked upcoming products from a while back.
Anyone remember these:
Spoiler:
281041230110209 Imperial Agents Enforcer with Heavy Stubber RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 284054630110202 Kroot Kroothawks RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 286010311080200 Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack PL a10 XianD 02 cc 286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE c01 Len_B 02 cc --- A Patriarch model?
280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL a18 Len_A 02 cc 281047530110208 Imperial Agents Obsideo Assassin RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280002430140206 Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280002230140208 Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 280000330740205 Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 288023030140207 Harlequin Solitaire RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 283041230710209 Cabal Tarellian Cotor with Dragontongue RE b07 Len_B 02 cc 283041530110204 Cabal Alpha Psyker RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 282021211440203 Mechanicus Battle-Servitors / Khorne Caedes Engines PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 287018930140205 Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 285000030110204 Cypher RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 256145512010301 Tau Empire Nautilus Defence Platform PL a20 Len_B 03 cc 256146011840307 Tau Empire Mako PL a18 Len_A 03 cc 256145730740301 Commander Farsight RE b07 Len_A 03 cc 256146211440307 Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings / Vespid Spinewings PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 208263530941100 The Avatar of Khaine RE b09 Len_A 11 cc 208284511450206 Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208284711550201 Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208285011450208 Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208285230150200 Eldar Black Warden RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208297830180402 Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister RE c01 XianD 04 cc 208281811450202 Eldar Eldritch Raiders PL a14 Len_C 02 cc 208282112050207 Eldar Webway Gate PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283411250206 Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper PL a12 Len_C 02 cc 208283512050200 Eldar Spirit Warrior PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283911550202 Eldar Dragon Riders PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208286130150208 Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286230150207 Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286330150206 Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286430150205 Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208286530150204 The Avatar of the Young King RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 206304411040306 Chaos Dark Chapel Upgrade Pack PL a10 Len_A 03 cc 206304711540308 Chaos Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 03 cc 206305211440303 Chaos Noise Marines PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 206304811440300 Chaos Thousand Sons PL a14 Len_A 03 cc 200462312010203 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Defence Wall PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200462412010202 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Tower / Pillar of Heroes PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200462512340209 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Monastery PL a23 Len_A 02 cc 208281612050205 Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber PL a20 Len_C 02 cc 208283611550205 Eldar Jetbikes PL a15 Len_C 02 cc 208287930150207 Eldar Warlock with Force Staff RE c01 Len_C 02 cc 208288530950204 Eldar Swooping Hawks RE b09 Len_C 02 cc 200470512040203 Space Marine Land Avenger PL a20 Len_A 02 cc 200468512010203 Space Marine Praetor Warmachine PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 200465411540206 Space Marine Bike Squadron / Crusader Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 200467830740205 Space Marine Skyshatter Cannon RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 200469630140209 Space Marine Terminator First Hand RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200469230140203 Space Marine Librarian with Jump Pack RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200462811440204 Space Marine Neophytes PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200464511440201 Space Marine Techmarine with Artificer Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200468011440204 Space Marine Sword Brethren / Nightflame Veteran Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200472230140203 Space Marine Librarian Epistolary RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200475630110203 Paladin Marshall Sieghelm RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200470612040202 Space Marine Land Avenger Vulkan / Land Avenger Invictus PL a20 Len_A 02 cc 200470331080275 Space Marine Bionics Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li
200470231080276 Space Marine Defender Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li
200471330110208 Iron Father Maalthun RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200471730110204 Chapter Master Tu’Shan RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200480130110202 Severus Agemman, Regent of Ultramar RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 200480630110207 Helveticus the Ancient, Bearer of Honour RE c01 Len_B 02 cc 201278911240205 Ork Warbuggy / Deff Racer PL a12 Len_A 02 cc 201281911240205 Ork Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk PL a12 Len_A 02 cc 201279011540202 Ork Deff Koptas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 201286730140200 Wazzdakka Gutsmek RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 227162030941106 Dark Eldar Grotesque Squad RE b09 Len_A 11 cc 202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc 202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc 271074511840390 Bloodthirster PL a18 Len_A 03 186080111840398
271074611840399 Lord of Change PL a18 Len_A 03 186080211840397
271074811440399 Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies PL a14 Len_A 03 186080311440398
201281712010205 Ork Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201279412010205 Ork Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201283811440204 Ork Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 201279911440206 Ork Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 201285130140209 Ork Warphead RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201283912010207 Ork Klan Fort PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 201284130740204 Ork Boar Squigs RE b07 Len_A 02 cc 201284430940212 Ork Squiggotaur RE b09 Len_A 02 mf
201283611540203 Ork Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 201285230140208 Ork Painboy with Cleava Harness RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201285630140204 Ork Grot Nurses RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201286930140208 Gorbuzz ThreeEye RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201287430140200 Gritlegg Maksmesh RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 201288330140208 Boss-Kommissa Grotzki RE c01 Len_A 02 cc 200461211440203 Space Marine Scouts with Astartes Grenade Launchers PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200467911540205 Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter PL a15 Len_A 02 cc 200465011440203 Space Marine Space Marine Tactical Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc 200465512010202 Space Marine Land Raider Medusa PL a20 Len_B 02 cc 271081411840399 Great Unclean One PL a18 Len_A 03 186083311840397
271081511840398 Keeper of Secrets PL a18 Len_A 03 186083411840396
Yeah. Me neither.
Still waiting for my Eldar Warp Spider/Evergaurd combo box.
oooooh! I 'member!
Particularly, I remember telling goons on BoLs it was clearly rubbish, because the product codes didn't conform to GW's product code format.
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
Cronch wrote: Would they even do one now that Primaris are the name of the game?
"Primaris Thundereagle" Problem solved
Honestly Primaris are just the new version of marines, which GW is being REALLY odd about releasing because somehow they've made marines into two identically themed armies within each chapter.
I know they're just funny way to make truescale marines, but they seem to have decided old marine gear doesn't fit them, so a thunderhawk would probably also have incompatible toilet sockets in background...
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Cronch wrote: I know they're just funny way to make truescale marines, but they seem to have decided old marine gear doesn't fit them, so a thunderhawk would probably also have incompatible toilet sockets in background...
Pretty sure a new Thunderhawk would be Primaris compatible, being a new kit that comes stock with heavy stubbers instead of heavy bolters. Compatibility issues are only applicable to existing kits GW can't alter to include heavy stubbers.
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Personally I think GW at that time well knew they wanted to do Sisters in Plastic. In fact lets face it they have not retired a single whole 40K army since Squats. Bits of Imperial Guard have come and gone; Kroot have been ignored as part of Tau; but by and large they've not squatted a whole faction since, well, squats. I think it was more a question of when rather than if. The survey just helped reinforce things and I think also encouraged them to consider releasing information about the updated line much earlier than normal to us; rather than keeping it all under wraps for another two years or so.
I think its the same, but not as extreme, as it is for Eldar who are also woefully under-supported in terms of having old sculpts; we can fully hope that they'll update the Craftworld (in fact considering Yinnari draws models from Craftworld and GW has been pushing them its odd that Gw hasn't updated Eldar yet).
Squatting has been more an issue for AoS where we've seen unprecedented loss of models and armies.
Is it possible to go lower than a 0% chance for Orks vs Tau boxset? I feel bad for anyone thinking that's even a remote possibility. Unless it's some random-throw-away-GW-boardgame with existing models, but a starter set? no.
I don't believe the leak, but i'd agree that an Ork vs Tau campaign box (not a starter) is a possibility,
once of these new things that get made in a limited amount push the story on a little bit and then vanish (almost instantly if the minis are desirable split up)
I like to put all my upcoming product lines all willy-nilly on whiteboards housed in meeting rooms so that my company which is notorious for secrecy can have all the release information about two different games for the next 6 months leaked by some random anonymous guy with ease... but maybe that's just me?
Sqorgar wrote: I like to put all my upcoming product lines all willy-nilly on whiteboards housed in meeting rooms so that my company which is notorious for secrecy can have all the release information about two different games for the next 6 months leaked by some random anonymous guy with ease... but maybe that's just me?
Actually a big whiteboard which plans out the next 6 months of releases sounds pretty logical to have for a company. Of course one would expect it to be in a room not easily accessible and likely with no big easy to spy through ground floor windows etc.... But having it all up there on a board sounds very normal; esp since this is just company releases not the codes for nuclear weapons/
While I realize this list is likely totally made up and not really based on anything but someone's idea of a "wish-list" it did make me realize something.
If they do a box set for the new Sisters, if it was Sisters vs. Word Bearers, well, I might just lose my mind (or at least my bank account would suffer mightily).
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Personally I think GW at that time well knew they wanted to do Sisters in Plastic. In fact lets face it they have not retired a single whole 40K army since Squats. Bits of Imperial Guard have come and gone; Kroot have been ignored as part of Tau; but by and large they've not squatted a whole faction since, well, squats. I think it was more a question of when rather than if. The survey just helped reinforce things and I think also encouraged them to consider releasing information about the updated line much earlier than normal to us; rather than keeping it all under wraps for another two years or so.
I think its the same, but not as extreme, as it is for Eldar who are also woefully under-supported in terms of having old sculpts; we can fully hope that they'll update the Craftworld (in fact considering Yinnari draws models from Craftworld and GW has been pushing them its odd that Gw hasn't updated Eldar yet).
Squatting has been more an issue for AoS where we've seen unprecedented loss of models and armies.
That's a very optimistic take on the Sisters situation. Suffice it to say that I don't agree.
Also please note that I never said Sisters were going to get squatted. Just not updated from their metal range. So I'm not quite sure what all this squatting talk is about, unless it's not addressed at me.
Kirasu wrote: Is it possible to go lower than a 0% chance for Orks vs Tau boxset? I feel bad for anyone thinking that's even a remote possibility. Unless it's some random-throw-away-GW-boardgame with existing models, but a starter set? no.
I don't think there's any validity to the original rumor, but purely in principle there are reasons to believe that this matchup is plausible:
- Tau are popular enough to warrant the occasional model update with the the obligatory new giant robot
-> Considering GW is going the route of supplements again, the most likely start is Farsight Encalves
-> Farsight Enclaves have Orks as their archenemy
- Orks have holes in their model range, both due to actual holes and old resin models
-> A wider selection of characters, or reintroduction of index characters, is a plausible way to expand their plastic options
-> Battleboxes have been especially promoted by including new character sculpts, but also in the case of Genestealers with new sculpts for other units
- Tau haven't gotten any new models with the current codex, while Orks are as said not entirely plastic yet
- You need look no further than AoS and how quickly the ghoul vs rats and trees versus goblins boxes sold out, with supposedly at least in the latter case admission by GW that they underestimated demand
-> Which would suggest that they are perfectly fine with doing battle boxes with small print runs
-> So even if you don't expect Tau versus Orks to sell well, we have precedent that GW's sales expectations need not be particularly high for a battle box to happen
So yeah, a sub 0% chance is a definite exaggeration. Doesn't mean it's particularly likely, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing for GW to do.
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Personally I think GW at that time well knew they wanted to do Sisters in Plastic. In fact lets face it they have not retired a single whole 40K army since Squats. Bits of Imperial Guard have come and gone; Kroot have been ignored as part of Tau; but by and large they've not squatted a whole faction since, well, squats. I think it was more a question of when rather than if. The survey just helped reinforce things and I think also encouraged them to consider releasing information about the updated line much earlier than normal to us; rather than keeping it all under wraps for another two years or so.
I think its the same, but not as extreme, as it is for Eldar who are also woefully under-supported in terms of having old sculpts; we can fully hope that they'll update the Craftworld (in fact considering Yinnari draws models from Craftworld and GW has been pushing them its odd that Gw hasn't updated Eldar yet).
Squatting has been more an issue for AoS where we've seen unprecedented loss of models and armies.
That's a very optimistic take on the Sisters situation. Suffice it to say that I don't agree.
Also please note that I never said Sisters were going to get squatted. Just not updated from their metal range. So I'm not quite sure what all this squatting talk is about, unless it's not addressed at me.
It's more that its clear GW doesn't want to continue with metal nor finecast. They started shifting all their metals to finecast in a big way until the backlash from release of finecast was so bad and the problems with it persisted that its clear they basically stopped. It's how a lot of armies, like Sisters and a good few AoS forces (then Old world) still have metal modals today. However GW is making nothing new in either material; its clearly part of a process of phasing it out.
Therefore if they have an army that's pretty much all made in a material they are phasing out of their production system there's really only two pathways. Update into plastic or remove them. So Sisters only had two options, removal or updating into plastic.
Now its true GW has even brought back one or two metal models in the AoS line recently (eg the Skaven warpfire thrower); however AoS breaks a lot of normal rules and I figure that its a result of GW wanting to update those sculpts to plastic and might even have them in development (technically they had a good few already developed ,but they were single option push-fits on a mould jointly shared with old High Elves so not ideal for marketing on their own) Just that they don't have the option now and they figured it was better to keep casting them as required rather than remove them only to replace them; perhaps a year or years later.
Actually a big whiteboard which plans out the next 6 months of releases sounds pretty logical to have for a company. Of course one would expect it to be in a room not easily accessible and likely with no big easy to spy through ground floor windows etc.... But having it all up there on a board sounds very normal; esp since this is just company releases not the codes for nuclear weapons/
If they did have a big board filled with all the releases, it would undoubtedly list the releases by their actual name. It would have "Wake the Dead" or "Tooth and Claw" instead of "Primaris vs Eldar" or whatever - or at the very least, it would have both and this leaker here would be able to give the name of the box to legitimize his leaks.
Why would this board say that the Seraphon are being phased out or that the Ynari are being combined with the Eldar if it was just a release list? Who writes on the board "hey, we're pretty happy with the KO and Fyreslayers releases"? And whatever Underworlds warbands are coming, they aren't "in the works" - they've been done for months by this point. They are most likely working on next year's Underworlds releases by now.
The list is also missing the release of additional battletomes or codices, the typical November battleforce boxes, anything for Kill Team or Warcry - we know Kill Team is getting a new starter and AoS has the very much anticipated Free Cities battletome coming (along with a rumored Ogors vs new death faction box) - all of which are pretty noteworthy releases without release windows.
The information contained here is too scattered and unspecific to be from the alleged source.
It's possible that this is insider knowledge that has been relayed to the poster, with the whiteboard thing being a way to protect the identity of the source - but in my opinion, once one major piece of information is proven to be bs, I think you can safely ignore everything else. No reason to act on sketchy information. Nova is coming up in a few weeks and GW will announce a bunch of stuff there, no doubt.
Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Overread wrote: Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
Overread wrote: Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
You can say that about pretty much every single faction that isn't Idoneth, KO or Stormcast. Most of the factions are full of old models. Old plastics and heck Skaven is chock full of old metals and first generation plastics. It highlights how woefully under-updated the Old World was by GW considering how it was once their core line and how it was still sitting second to 40K for so long. Everything that isn't brand new needs updates in AoS; however I dont think GW is moving toward a future where they remove all the old and replace them with totally new concepts. I think that WAS the plan when AoS launched; but I think and hope we'll enter more normal times where GW might remove some, but will mostly update and replace with new sculpts.
Cronch wrote: Would they even do one now that Primaris are the name of the game?
"Primaris Thundereagle" Problem solved
Honestly Primaris are just the new version of marines, which GW is being REALLY odd about releasing because somehow they've made marines into two identically themed armies within each chapter.
And different size fluffwise. Primaris are custodian sized who are to marines what marines are to humans aka head taller
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
Highly doubtful considering Seraphon were specifically mentioned in Malign Portents and now in Forbidden Powers. We might see new kits, but not a swap for new faction.
Whilst these are probably fake, there is nothing in them that seems particularly implausible to be.
The Eldar thing would be a big shift, but I have been suspecting for a while that something like that might be coming. They introduced the Ynnari for a reason, and have refused to update any of the ancient Craftworld range.
John D Law wrote: The whole Seraphon phased out seems off since they just gave them a blood bowl team. That aside though they have got no love for years.
No they didn’t. Blood Bowl is it’s own setting (that was true even before Age of Sigmar). It’s about as relevant as saying Seraphon are OK because they released a Sumpkroc for Necromunda.
CthuluIsSpy wrote: On one hand, Seraphon getting phased out seems unlikely. On the other hand, so was killing WHFB.
That's very true but I hope we are past those dark times! I think if GW started retiring factions with AoS battletomes now it would kill the game entirely. Well except for stormcast players; they'd feel safe but everyone else would just stop buying into it. Who would want to start a wargame where even armies with battletomes got retired at random
Crimson wrote: I never got the point ofthe Seraphon in AOS. They're some sort of spirit space lizards. I really don't think that the re-conceptualisation worked.
That was retconned in one of the Malign Portent stories. Now they live on giant spaceships crewed by Skinks. Pretty cool IMO, I’d love to see that more fleshed out.
Didn’t they say in one of the financial papers that they would not squat any more armies that had rules? I don’t believe Seraphons will disappear, but become more “Stargate” styled techno lizards.
Crimson wrote: I never got the point ofthe Seraphon in AOS. They're some sort of spirit space lizards. I really don't think that the re-conceptualisation worked.
That was retconned in one of the Malign Portent stories. Now they live on giant spaceships crewed by Skinks. Pretty cool IMO, I’d love to see that more fleshed out.
I think the former characterization is still in the 2nd ed rulebook, though. I think Lizardmen simply need their redone battletome to finalize their background and give players an indication what they are supposed to be. Until then it'll remain a hazy issue and nobody really knows what's going on with them.
John D Law wrote: The whole Seraphon phased out seems off since they just gave them a blood bowl team. That aside though they have got no love for years.
No they didn’t. Blood Bowl is it’s own setting (that was true even before Age of Sigmar). It’s about as relevant as saying Seraphon are OK because they released a Sumpkroc for Necromunda.
I just read to the end to see if anyone else had replied before posting the same thing.
Though this sounds completely made up, and I can’t see Seraphon going anywhere (also they are quite written in the lore, it would be a weird thing to do..).
But anything from an alternate universe of the prior world to AoS, doesn’t make a difference.
And outside of “lore” terms, for clarity, it’s worked on by completely different teams..
But overall, way too much guessing (obvious and ridiculous) and made up sounding things, so I don’t buy it..
Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
If GW does a white board meeting these days, they‘d be looking at things like 2022 or so.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
Except for 'late stages of development,' this certainly isn't true, as evidenced by the Sylvaneth delay (which got stuck on the ships shortly before its planned release date) and the pointless financial cost of just filling warehouses a year ahead of time, then moving everything again to distribution points.
Ideally, materials should go from factory to distribution and not pile in up warehouses at all.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
Except for 'late stages of development,' this certainly isn't true, as evidenced by the Sylvaneth delay (which got stuck on the ships shortly before its planned release date) and the pointless financial cost of just filling warehouses a year ahead of time, then moving everything again to distribution points.
Ideally, materials should go from factory to distribution and not pile in up warehouses at all.
The Sylvaneth delay was relating to the cards and books, which are produced outside of the UK.
The same thing happened with Harlequins a few years back, the models tend to be unaffected but the books and other material are.
I kinda like these 'rumours' because at least it gives us something to discuss. The last rumour engine was so obviously AOS I don't know why they bothered to post it on the 40k pages and the news from GW is somewhat lacking.
An Actual Englishman wrote: I kinda like these 'rumours' because at least it gives us something to discuss. The last rumour engine was so obviously AOS I don't know why they bothered to post it on the 40k pages and the news from GW is somewhat lacking.
We should have plenty of news from NoVA in just under two weeks.
Ghaz wrote: We should have plenty of news from NoVA in just under two weeks.
I'm gonna guess that the 40k "news" from Nova will be a meagre Sisters update, another vague video about the Psychic Awakening and a preview about an up and coming Primaris Lt.
Ghaz wrote: We should have plenty of news from NoVA in just under two weeks.
I'm gonna guess that the 40k "news" from Nova will be a meagre Sisters update, another vague video about the Psychic Awakening and a preview about an up and coming Primaris Lt.
Last year's preview shows that NoVA is one of the big reveals for the latter part of the year.
Ghaz wrote: We should have plenty of news from NoVA in just under two weeks.
I'm gonna guess that the 40k "news" from Nova will be a meagre Sisters update, another vague video about the Psychic Awakening and a preview about an up and coming Primaris Lt.
Last year's preview shows that NoVA is one of the big reveals for the latter part of the year.
Orktober still cuts me deep.
I get what you're trying to say of course I just have very low expectations of the previews this year.
Orks vs Tau boxed set? I doubt that. Have they ever made a boxed set that didn't include any Space Marines of some flavor let alone any Imperial faction at all?
warboss wrote: Orks vs Tau boxed set? I doubt that. Have they ever made a boxed set that didn't include any Space Marines of some flavor let alone any Imperial faction at all?
Forgebane says "Sup".
Yeah, it's "an Imperial faction" in there but you've added two caveats that you seem to know are going to be almost impossible to meet, given that we haven't really had an excessive amount of Battle Boxes that don't feature Marines "of some flavor"--one can point at what they've done for AoS and showcase that GW isn't really afraid of doing themed forces, even if it means avoiding the 'Flagship Factions'.
Looncurse: Sylvaneth versus Gloomspite Gitz Carrion Empire: Flesh-Eater Courts versus Skaven
warboss wrote: Orks vs Tau boxed set? I doubt that. Have they ever made a boxed set that didn't include any Space Marines of some flavor let alone any Imperial faction at all?
warboss wrote: Orks vs Tau boxed set? I doubt that. Have they ever made a boxed set that didn't include any Space Marines of some flavor let alone any Imperial faction at all?
Forgebane says "Sup".
Yeah, it's "an Imperial faction" in there but you've added two caveats that you seem to know are going to be almost impossible to meet, given that we haven't really had an excessive amount of Battle Boxes that don't feature Marines "of some flavor"--one can point at what they've done for AoS and showcase that GW isn't really afraid of doing themed forces, even if it means avoiding the 'Flagship Factions'.
I didn't make the caveat "almost impossible to meet"; GW did. I'm just pointing it out as the main reason I find the rumor unlikely. Regardless, thanks for the info as I didn't remember about Forgebane. Also, you seem to be inferring (incorrectly) that I'm somehow opposed to the idea on non-imperial boxed sets. As a Tau player and someone whose favorite faction used to be Orks back in 3rd edition (my username here is a hint), I'd love to see that type of box.
warboss wrote: Orks vs Tau boxed set? I doubt that. Have they ever made a boxed set that didn't include any Space Marines of some flavor let alone any Imperial faction at all?
Forgebane says "Sup".
Yeah, it's "an Imperial faction" in there but you've added two caveats that you seem to know are going to be almost impossible to meet, given that we haven't really had an excessive amount of Battle Boxes that don't feature Marines "of some flavor"--one can point at what they've done for AoS and showcase that GW isn't really afraid of doing themed forces, even if it means avoiding the 'Flagship Factions'.
I didn't make the caveat "almost impossible to meet"; GW did. I'm just pointing it out as the main reason I find the rumor unlikely. Regardless, thanks for the info as I didn't remember about Forgebane. Also, you seem to be inferring (incorrectly) that I'm somehow opposed to the idea on non-imperial boxed sets. As a Tau player and someone whose favorite faction used to be Orks back in 3rd edition (my username here is a hint), I'd love to see that type of box.
It was less "inferring" that you're opposed to the idea, more that from your post it came across(to me) that you were implying GW doesn't do anything without their flagship factions. Sorry if I read your comment wrong--wasn't trying to pick a fight.
To put things in perspective? We've had, on the 40k side alone: -Knight Renegade -Forgebane(AdMech vs Necrons) -The current iteration of Kill Team's original box(Skitarii vs GSC) and Rogue Trader(Starstriders vs Gellerpox Infected)
AoS has seen two sets that don't feature hide nor hair of the Stormcast: -Looncurse(Sylvaneth vs Gloomspite Gits) -Carrion Empire(Flesh Eater Courts vs Skaven) There haven't been as many "battleboxes" for AoS as 40k has seen however.
Both share the "Wrath and Rapture" set that Fayric mentioned(Slaanesh vs Khorne Daemons). I, personally, also count the Stormcast Vanguard vs Nurgle Daemons boxed set as a "non-flagship faction" set--same as I do with Shadowspear. They both feature the flagship factions, but they're stuff that generally people didn't rate highly from the outset.
Also worth a mention for AoS? The upcoming "Beastgrave" set for Warhammer Underworlds is devoid of Stormcast as well--and that's not even getting into WarCry, where the only thing Stormcast is the Vanguard Chamber stuff(which, again, was fairly unpopular until people started cheesing it with just the Raptors and their big ol' crossbows).
Ghaz wrote: We should have plenty of news from NoVA in just under two weeks.
I'm gonna guess that the 40k "news" from Nova will be a meagre Sisters update, another vague video about the Psychic Awakening and a preview about an up and coming Primaris Lt.
I doubt there will be a sister update during Nova, unless they're ready to reveale a release date. GW has the sister bulletin for sister news
Overread wrote: Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Only way I could imagine this would go down is that they are phasing down all resin Seraphon which is around 10+ units. If this was a true rumor(not saying it is) it could be that they saw that all resin seraphon was being discontinued and with the number of those kits it might seem like the entire line is being squatted when in it is only the resin being discontinued.
One thing about this rumor I'm inclined to believe: new World Eater sculpts in a starter box.
The trouble with rumors is people do hear about models but the company decides to change course before they are released.
There have been what - maybe 50 rumors of new Berzerkers? This is the first time I've heard about them paired with another faction, which is how GW seems to prefer kicking off refreshes.
OTOH, plans change. Heard a story about Shadowspear where the Venomcrawler and Greater Possessed were originally planned for their own kits.
Seraphon being phased out....hmmmm. Yeah, sounds like someone gave up or is seriously wishlisting. Resin disappearing is more likely but that's affecting every single faction at the moment, not just them. They do need some scale of rework - everyone harping on about their comprehensive range forgets how old their range is getting. Saurus, Skinks and Slann are pushing 3.5 Chaos age now and could probably do with an update of sorts to be brought on part with the BB sculpts and the sculpts from the Monster crews and riders.
Dark Elves diluting other factions? Noooo. Sorry. That's like telling us you're sticking Dwarves in the Fyreslayers range. Won't happen. They worked hard to give them their own identity and make a new range, they're not about to lazily drop other units into it because the creativity tap ran dry.
Sisters of Battle Box...feasible with the new range coming up but let's be real. If it does happen I'm not going to say this rumour was remotely accurate. Because the same rumour has cropped up...5-6 years now? Weren't we seeing this in 6th ed or just before as well? If anything this rumour strikes me as possibly being accurate due to the fact a broken clock is always right twice a day.
Eldar ditching Aspects altogether - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. I'm pretty sure whoever tried to suggest that had Jes Goodwin show up in his office with several pointy implements. Aspects have literally been around since the dawn of time model and rangewise for 40k. Now...maybe they got confused and mistook the idea of a 'corsair' faction for this? That might make sense...but oddly enough seems to step on the Dark Eldar's whole schtick...
Seraphon getting squatted is not beyond possible, since was it Lost Legion released a full Aztec Lizardman army which is pretty amazing.
Remember Brett’s and Tk’s main crimes before there squatting other than slightly lower sales was being unable to be tm’d up the wazoo and competing/proxy models.
GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
SeanDrake wrote: GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
Sue how? One can produce space marine and sigmarine count-as'es if one wants. All these name changes etc don't make 3rd parties life making count as models any harder.
SeanDrake wrote: GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
Sue how? One can produce space marine and sigmarine count-as'es if one wants. All these name changes etc don't make 3rd parties life making count as models any harder.
I said Sue I did not say win besides they mostly only need to throw there weight around to achieve there aims, or they just change the miniature line so that the proxies are no longer desirable aka bye bye Aztec space lizards hello Ming dynasty space lizards for example or kill the line off like TK & Brett’s.
SeanDrake wrote: Seraphon getting squatted is not beyond possible, since was it Lost Legion released a full Aztec Lizardman army which is pretty amazing.
Remember Brett’s and Tk’s main crimes before there squatting other than slightly lower sales was being unable to be tm’d up the wazoo and competing/proxy models.
GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
I think it was more than ‘slightly’ lower sales. Anything to do with copyrighting and stuff is just speculation.
SeanDrake wrote: Seraphon getting squatted is not beyond possible, since was it Lost Legion released a full Aztec Lizardman army which is pretty amazing.
Remember Brett’s and Tk’s main crimes before there squatting other than slightly lower sales was being unable to be tm’d up the wazoo and competing/proxy models.
GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
Yes but there are also alternate dark eldar, space marines, orks, elves, slaanesh, khorne, nurgle - I could go on. NOTHING GW makes is protected in terms of its core concept. ANYONE can copy any army concept and sell the models, you just can't outright copy the exact same sculpt nor use the trademark names.
https://www.ragingheroes.com
So no I don't think a 3rd party company making alternative options is in any way influencing GW's choice to keep or remove an army. If it were then we'd be seeing them rolling out new armies every 6 months and dropping armies every 6 months as they'd try to game the system. We'd also get no warning on either so that no one could prepare for it. And if GW did that it would probably tank their sales after the first few rotations.
AoS at launch was just a totally different product. It wasn't about armies it was about Grand Alliances and it wasn't about being a wargame it was about being an infinite setting where GW could create new forces with a handful of releases and remove forces whenever they wanted (sales got too low). The idea that you'd build and army and keep it and extend it over the years was gone; the games rules were gone etc.... The years of being ignored by GW hadn't helped sales and Brets and TK were the first to lose out. Elves also lost out it just took a lot longer to get too.
AoS was something created by a management team that was far too isolated from their actual real market, from their customers. They produced something that likely looked good on paper, but considering how they marketed it it also sounded like internal struggles and battles came to the fore and some elements were rushed/hurried/messed up. Thankfully we've past that messy time behind and thus far no army with a Battletome has been removed from AoS and I don't expect it too. I expect GW to retire models and release new ones and update them. We've only had more losses than gains for many armies because right now they are releasing Tomes faster than production can keep up with model releases. Which is a good thing because it means getting all of AoS onto the 2.0 rules system and structure. From there (which should be early next year if GW keeps up its current release rate) we should enter more normal times. Where GW adds armies, adds new models and updates them and we stop seeing any massive withdrawls of models.
SeanDrake wrote: Seraphon getting squatted is not beyond possible, since was it Lost Legion released a full Aztec Lizardman army which is pretty amazing.
Remember Brett’s and Tk’s main crimes before there squatting other than slightly lower sales was being unable to be tm’d up the wazoo and competing/proxy models.
GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
I think it was more than ‘slightly’ lower sales. Anything to do with copyrighting and stuff is just speculation.
To be frank, I think Copyright might have been an issue. Really, really hard to put a unique spin on two factions that are basically Medieval Britain/France and Ancient Egypt in terms of aesthetics and all. Which to be frank is what Brets and TKs pretty much were. Notice how recent undead and Vampire stuff has moved away from the traditional horror movie styles to far more exotic and out of this world aesthetics?
GW are trying to make sure what they have is unique. Easier for copyright, easier to protect if challenged. Notice the wood elves deciding the become so forest-spirit heavy it hurts?
Seraphon have always been fairly unique - sure, Lizardmen existed but not to the extent GW took them to. So squatting them seems odd. If anything I suspect we're seeing maybe a build up to an overhaul in design....
If GW is being super unique what the heck is up with Untamed Beasts who are as pure barbarian as you can get? Or Melusai who are just medusa (heck Morathi is actually very authentic because she's got the tail body; the head of snakes and the wings before they were cut off).
Or Harpies which are just gargoyles or or - we can go on forever. TK and Bretonnia were not killed because of copyright; copyright had nothing what so ever to do with it because nothing GW can release or has released is any more nor any less protected than them. All they've done is change a few names so that 3rd party stores can't advertise their alterantive models under the same names as GW ones.
DarkStarSabre wrote: .Eldar ditching Aspects altogether - hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. No. I'm pretty sure whoever tried to suggest that had Jes Goodwin show up in his office with several pointy implements. Aspects have literally been around since the dawn of time model and rangewise for 40k. Now...maybe they got confused and mistook the idea of a 'corsair' faction for this? That might make sense...but oddly enough seems to step on the Dark Eldar's whole schtick...
Funny really. That's the one thing on there that stood out. Could be good trolling by the 'leaker' but I've had The Fear about that for some time now. I remember one of the first Primaris reveal vids, had Jes and ... someone looking at Exhibit A and He's said something about how it was nice to revisit a range and do something new because doing the same thing over and over for X years got dull. He may have briefly mentioned Eldar Aspects in some form, not really sure without finding it again.
Hopefully - we may get a revamp, a reimagining and - from GW's perspective - a way to make me re-purchase my collection (and without a Conquest to ease the pain this time) but the Ynnari make me nervous. Very nervous. That all we're seeing is psykers and wraiths recently isn't helping either.
I really need to find that video again now, to hopefully ease my hobby paranoia if nothing else.
Overread wrote: If GW is being super unique what the heck is up with Untamed Beasts who are as pure barbarian as you can get? Or Melusai who are just medusa (heck Morathi is actually very authentic because she's got the tail body; the head of snakes and the wings before they were cut off).
Or Harpies which are just gargoyles or or - we can go on forever. TK and Bretonnia were not killed because of copyright; copyright had nothing what so ever to do with it because nothing GW can release or has released is any more nor any less protected than them. All they've done is change a few names so that 3rd party stores can't advertise their alterantive models under the same names as GW ones.
Nor is reason btw automatically bad sales. Squats weren't killed due to poor sales. Nor copyright reasons
Overread wrote: If GW is being super unique what the heck is up with Untamed Beasts who are as pure barbarian as you can get? Or Melusai who are just medusa (heck Morathi is actually very authentic because she's got the tail body; the head of snakes and the wings before they were cut off).
Or Harpies which are just gargoyles or or - we can go on forever. TK and Bretonnia were not killed because of copyright; copyright had nothing what so ever to do with it because nothing GW can release or has released is any more nor any less protected than them. All they've done is change a few names so that 3rd party stores can't advertise their alterantive models under the same names as GW ones.
Nor is reason btw automatically bad sales. Squats weren't killed due to poor sales. Nor copyright reasons
SeanDrake wrote: Seraphon getting squatted is not beyond possible, since was it Lost Legion released a full Aztec Lizardman army which is pretty amazing.
Remember Brett’s and Tk’s main crimes before there squatting other than slightly lower sales was being unable to be tm’d up the wazoo and competing/proxy models.
GW might just decided that Seraphon are a lost cause and move on to something else we’re there not competing wither better proxies and they could sue if they were.
Again, here is a comprehensive list of the battletomes released since 2nd edition launched (not necessarily in order):
Dudes in Armor
Ghosts
Teslapunk Man-Rats
Goblins
Cannibal Not-zombies
Satyrs and Minotaurs
Angry Dwarven Naturists
Angry Trees
Red Barbarians and Literally Just Demons
Purple Barbarians and VD Demons
The closest thing to an original idea in that list is the Teslapunk Man-Rats, and they're basically just every sci-fi trope in rat form.
I can imagine the older model Seraphon being squatted like the stunty marines as being mere memories and then have new tangible seraphon "spawned" as new seraphon.
John D Law wrote: So supposedly someone over on the Aeldari Facebook page posted this. Supposedly gleamed from a whiteboard at GW. Take with massive salt but even if 10% is tru might be interesting
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These have been called out as bs on 4chan endless times by now.
John D Law wrote: So supposedly someone over on the Aeldari Facebook page posted this. Supposedly gleamed from a whiteboard at GW. Take with massive salt but even if 10% is tru might be interesting
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These have been called out as bs on 4chan endless times by now.
Popsghostly wrote: I can imagine the older model Seraphon being squatted like the stunty marines.
you mean not really squatted at all?
Yeah... Right. Doesn't quell my whining for new spells and new battle tome though...
That said, Hastings mentioned a Seraphon warband for the new Shadespire season. That might shed light on them not being squatted (or new look if any).
But he also didn’t mention Beasts of Chaos in that rumour, which we know is one of the warbands.
He listed the warbands that were NOT in the starter box
This is the quote. 10 warbands with 2 being from dreadfane, so that’s 8, which is the same as the first two seasons including the starter ones. And it makes no mention of whether it includes the starter ones or not. And, it mentions Wanderers, which I doubt we’d get as well as the Kurnothi.
I did hear some time back there were maybe 10 warbands this season (although I think 2 are from dreadfane as they were SE & NH), the others were (IIRC) DoK, Ogrurrrs (specifically 1 hunter and 1 or 2 animals), Wanderers, FeC (or might have been free peoples I can't remember), Seraphon, Slaanesh, Nurgle and another skaven. I myself would have liked Idoneth but this is a pretty nice mix of stuff, and at least no more Khorne or excessive SE.
Danny76 wrote: “The others were (IIRC)”
Makes it easy to adjust statements, not that Hastings is someone I question mostly, he’s generally in the know.
He was, sure. I’m not sure he is so much nowadays.
Danny76 wrote: “The others were (IIRC)”
Makes it easy to adjust statements, not that Hastings is someone I question mostly, he’s generally in the know.
He was, sure. I’m not sure he is so much nowadays.
He admitted early in n that he is very far in the front of the pipeline and things get adjusted later. He used to find things out more than a year in advance, but with GW going full throttle that might be shorter now. Still overall one of the better rumor guys and with a much longer track record than others who might give us an idea 3 months ahead.
John D Law wrote: So supposedly someone over on the Aeldari Facebook page posted this. Supposedly gleamed from a whiteboard at GW. Take with massive salt but even if 10% is tru might be interesting
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These have been called out as bs on 4chan endless times by now.
And 4Chan is ALWAYS right .
Well, yeah, that makes the post true, ain't it? Sorry, but further reasonings of that guy in that thread made it clear he just cobbled together pre-existing wishlighting and stuff drawn from his rear.
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