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I like to put all my upcoming product lines all willy-nilly on whiteboards housed in meeting rooms so that my company which is notorious for secrecy can have all the release information about two different games for the next 6 months leaked by some random anonymous guy with ease... but maybe that's just me?
Sqorgar wrote: I like to put all my upcoming product lines all willy-nilly on whiteboards housed in meeting rooms so that my company which is notorious for secrecy can have all the release information about two different games for the next 6 months leaked by some random anonymous guy with ease... but maybe that's just me?
Actually a big whiteboard which plans out the next 6 months of releases sounds pretty logical to have for a company. Of course one would expect it to be in a room not easily accessible and likely with no big easy to spy through ground floor windows etc.... But having it all up there on a board sounds very normal; esp since this is just company releases not the codes for nuclear weapons/
While I realize this list is likely totally made up and not really based on anything but someone's idea of a "wish-list" it did make me realize something.
If they do a box set for the new Sisters, if it was Sisters vs. Word Bearers, well, I might just lose my mind (or at least my bank account would suffer mightily).
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It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Personally I think GW at that time well knew they wanted to do Sisters in Plastic. In fact lets face it they have not retired a single whole 40K army since Squats. Bits of Imperial Guard have come and gone; Kroot have been ignored as part of Tau; but by and large they've not squatted a whole faction since, well, squats. I think it was more a question of when rather than if. The survey just helped reinforce things and I think also encouraged them to consider releasing information about the updated line much earlier than normal to us; rather than keeping it all under wraps for another two years or so.
I think its the same, but not as extreme, as it is for Eldar who are also woefully under-supported in terms of having old sculpts; we can fully hope that they'll update the Craftworld (in fact considering Yinnari draws models from Craftworld and GW has been pushing them its odd that Gw hasn't updated Eldar yet).
Squatting has been more an issue for AoS where we've seen unprecedented loss of models and armies.
That's a very optimistic take on the Sisters situation. Suffice it to say that I don't agree.
Also please note that I never said Sisters were going to get squatted. Just not updated from their metal range. So I'm not quite sure what all this squatting talk is about, unless it's not addressed at me.
Kirasu wrote: Is it possible to go lower than a 0% chance for Orks vs Tau boxset? I feel bad for anyone thinking that's even a remote possibility. Unless it's some random-throw-away-GW-boardgame with existing models, but a starter set? no.
I don't think there's any validity to the original rumor, but purely in principle there are reasons to believe that this matchup is plausible:
- Tau are popular enough to warrant the occasional model update with the the obligatory new giant robot
-> Considering GW is going the route of supplements again, the most likely start is Farsight Encalves
-> Farsight Enclaves have Orks as their archenemy
- Orks have holes in their model range, both due to actual holes and old resin models
-> A wider selection of characters, or reintroduction of index characters, is a plausible way to expand their plastic options
-> Battleboxes have been especially promoted by including new character sculpts, but also in the case of Genestealers with new sculpts for other units
- Tau haven't gotten any new models with the current codex, while Orks are as said not entirely plastic yet
- You need look no further than AoS and how quickly the ghoul vs rats and trees versus goblins boxes sold out, with supposedly at least in the latter case admission by GW that they underestimated demand
-> Which would suggest that they are perfectly fine with doing battle boxes with small print runs
-> So even if you don't expect Tau versus Orks to sell well, we have precedent that GW's sales expectations need not be particularly high for a battle box to happen
So yeah, a sub 0% chance is a definite exaggeration. Doesn't mean it's particularly likely, but it wouldn't be the craziest thing for GW to do.
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Why is the rum always gone?
It's an important question to ask. How is anybody supposed to believe in the credibility of this list if it doesn't even feature a plastic Thunderhawk?
I hasten to point out that the "squat clock" video that GW put out when they released the mercenary squat for Necromunda had two other clocks. One was for Plastic Sisters of Battle; the other was for the Plastic Thunderhawk. Though I believe the time on the latter was very far back compared to the other two. Which I take to mean GW knows we want it; GW wants to do it one day but its likely a long long way off because EXPENSIVE
It's worth keeping in mind that that video is from a time when GW was still in on the Sisters joke, before they determined there is actual demand for plastic Sisters and became awfully respectful when talking about plastic Sisters.
As such I read the inclusion of the three clocks as definite signs that GW proper at that time had no intention whatsoever of producing new Squats, plastic Sisters or a plastic Thunderhawk. The Squat clock only broke because of Specialist Games, who do their own thing and shouldn't be used to divine the future of GW's main releases.
Personally I think GW at that time well knew they wanted to do Sisters in Plastic. In fact lets face it they have not retired a single whole 40K army since Squats. Bits of Imperial Guard have come and gone; Kroot have been ignored as part of Tau; but by and large they've not squatted a whole faction since, well, squats. I think it was more a question of when rather than if. The survey just helped reinforce things and I think also encouraged them to consider releasing information about the updated line much earlier than normal to us; rather than keeping it all under wraps for another two years or so.
I think its the same, but not as extreme, as it is for Eldar who are also woefully under-supported in terms of having old sculpts; we can fully hope that they'll update the Craftworld (in fact considering Yinnari draws models from Craftworld and GW has been pushing them its odd that Gw hasn't updated Eldar yet).
Squatting has been more an issue for AoS where we've seen unprecedented loss of models and armies.
That's a very optimistic take on the Sisters situation. Suffice it to say that I don't agree.
Also please note that I never said Sisters were going to get squatted. Just not updated from their metal range. So I'm not quite sure what all this squatting talk is about, unless it's not addressed at me.
It's more that its clear GW doesn't want to continue with metal nor finecast. They started shifting all their metals to finecast in a big way until the backlash from release of finecast was so bad and the problems with it persisted that its clear they basically stopped. It's how a lot of armies, like Sisters and a good few AoS forces (then Old world) still have metal modals today. However GW is making nothing new in either material; its clearly part of a process of phasing it out.
Therefore if they have an army that's pretty much all made in a material they are phasing out of their production system there's really only two pathways. Update into plastic or remove them. So Sisters only had two options, removal or updating into plastic.
Now its true GW has even brought back one or two metal models in the AoS line recently (eg the Skaven warpfire thrower); however AoS breaks a lot of normal rules and I figure that its a result of GW wanting to update those sculpts to plastic and might even have them in development (technically they had a good few already developed ,but they were single option push-fits on a mould jointly shared with old High Elves so not ideal for marketing on their own) Just that they don't have the option now and they figured it was better to keep casting them as required rather than remove them only to replace them; perhaps a year or years later.
Actually a big whiteboard which plans out the next 6 months of releases sounds pretty logical to have for a company. Of course one would expect it to be in a room not easily accessible and likely with no big easy to spy through ground floor windows etc.... But having it all up there on a board sounds very normal; esp since this is just company releases not the codes for nuclear weapons/
If they did have a big board filled with all the releases, it would undoubtedly list the releases by their actual name. It would have "Wake the Dead" or "Tooth and Claw" instead of "Primaris vs Eldar" or whatever - or at the very least, it would have both and this leaker here would be able to give the name of the box to legitimize his leaks.
Why would this board say that the Seraphon are being phased out or that the Ynari are being combined with the Eldar if it was just a release list? Who writes on the board "hey, we're pretty happy with the KO and Fyreslayers releases"? And whatever Underworlds warbands are coming, they aren't "in the works" - they've been done for months by this point. They are most likely working on next year's Underworlds releases by now.
The list is also missing the release of additional battletomes or codices, the typical November battleforce boxes, anything for Kill Team or Warcry - we know Kill Team is getting a new starter and AoS has the very much anticipated Free Cities battletome coming (along with a rumored Ogors vs new death faction box) - all of which are pretty noteworthy releases without release windows.
The information contained here is too scattered and unspecific to be from the alleged source.
It's possible that this is insider knowledge that has been relayed to the poster, with the whiteboard thing being a way to protect the identity of the source - but in my opinion, once one major piece of information is proven to be bs, I think you can safely ignore everything else. No reason to act on sketchy information. Nova is coming up in a few weeks and GW will announce a bunch of stuff there, no doubt.
Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Overread wrote: Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
Overread wrote: Just to note I'm not saying I believe the rumours themselves, seraphon being phased out sounds utterly daft I agree. Just stating that the concept of a whiteboard of release details doesn't sound far-fetched in the least.
Right now the most I expect from Seraphon is a late this year or early next year new Battletome with endless spells and terrain and perhaps some adjustment of their lore. Ergo advancing them from Slaan summoning warriors into a race with lands, peoples etc... Which doesn't have to ret-con their lore; just present a change in how they operate and how the Slaan treat the other tiers of their people.
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
You can say that about pretty much every single faction that isn't Idoneth, KO or Stormcast. Most of the factions are full of old models. Old plastics and heck Skaven is chock full of old metals and first generation plastics. It highlights how woefully under-updated the Old World was by GW considering how it was once their core line and how it was still sitting second to 40K for so long. Everything that isn't brand new needs updates in AoS; however I dont think GW is moving toward a future where they remove all the old and replace them with totally new concepts. I think that WAS the plan when AoS launched; but I think and hope we'll enter more normal times where GW might remove some, but will mostly update and replace with new sculpts.
These rumors are super boring and have nothing to say about any sort of psychic awakening.
I'm putting my money on 100% garbage and guessing.
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Cronch wrote: Would they even do one now that Primaris are the name of the game?
"Primaris Thundereagle" Problem solved
Honestly Primaris are just the new version of marines, which GW is being REALLY odd about releasing because somehow they've made marines into two identically themed armies within each chapter.
And different size fluffwise. Primaris are custodian sized who are to marines what marines are to humans aka head taller
Seraphon are very much a neglected faction at this stage, their core units are very dated and need a refresh ideally, so much so I wouldn't be overly surprised if they were scrapped and a new "descendants of the Slaan" or something came to exist with slightly altered fluff. Embrace the jungle wilderness a little further, been rebuilding the lost population + new species etc.
Highly doubtful considering Seraphon were specifically mentioned in Malign Portents and now in Forbidden Powers. We might see new kits, but not a swap for new faction.
Whilst these are probably fake, there is nothing in them that seems particularly implausible to be.
The Eldar thing would be a big shift, but I have been suspecting for a while that something like that might be coming. They introduced the Ynnari for a reason, and have refused to update any of the ancient Craftworld range.
John D Law wrote: The whole Seraphon phased out seems off since they just gave them a blood bowl team. That aside though they have got no love for years.
No they didn’t. Blood Bowl is it’s own setting (that was true even before Age of Sigmar). It’s about as relevant as saying Seraphon are OK because they released a Sumpkroc for Necromunda.
Fec and nurgle are guesses already made by Hastings on war of sigmar whose other guesses have already been proven at least partially incorrect.
I thought Hastings was retired from rumour-mongering?
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CthuluIsSpy wrote: On one hand, Seraphon getting phased out seems unlikely. On the other hand, so was killing WHFB.
That's very true but I hope we are past those dark times! I think if GW started retiring factions with AoS battletomes now it would kill the game entirely. Well except for stormcast players; they'd feel safe but everyone else would just stop buying into it. Who would want to start a wargame where even armies with battletomes got retired at random
Crimson wrote: I never got the point ofthe Seraphon in AOS. They're some sort of spirit space lizards. I really don't think that the re-conceptualisation worked.
That was retconned in one of the Malign Portent stories. Now they live on giant spaceships crewed by Skinks. Pretty cool IMO, I’d love to see that more fleshed out.
Didn’t they say in one of the financial papers that they would not squat any more armies that had rules? I don’t believe Seraphons will disappear, but become more “Stargate” styled techno lizards.
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Crimson wrote: I never got the point ofthe Seraphon in AOS. They're some sort of spirit space lizards. I really don't think that the re-conceptualisation worked.
That was retconned in one of the Malign Portent stories. Now they live on giant spaceships crewed by Skinks. Pretty cool IMO, I’d love to see that more fleshed out.
I think the former characterization is still in the 2nd ed rulebook, though. I think Lizardmen simply need their redone battletome to finalize their background and give players an indication what they are supposed to be. Until then it'll remain a hazy issue and nobody really knows what's going on with them.
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Why is the rum always gone?
John D Law wrote: The whole Seraphon phased out seems off since they just gave them a blood bowl team. That aside though they have got no love for years.
No they didn’t. Blood Bowl is it’s own setting (that was true even before Age of Sigmar). It’s about as relevant as saying Seraphon are OK because they released a Sumpkroc for Necromunda.
I just read to the end to see if anyone else had replied before posting the same thing.
Though this sounds completely made up, and I can’t see Seraphon going anywhere (also they are quite written in the lore, it would be a weird thing to do..).
But anything from an alternate universe of the prior world to AoS, doesn’t make a difference.
And outside of “lore” terms, for clarity, it’s worked on by completely different teams..
But overall, way too much guessing (obvious and ridiculous) and made up sounding things, so I don’t buy it..
Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
If GW does a white board meeting these days, they‘d be looking at things like 2022 or so.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
Except for 'late stages of development,' this certainly isn't true, as evidenced by the Sylvaneth delay (which got stuck on the ships shortly before its planned release date) and the pointless financial cost of just filling warehouses a year ahead of time, then moving everything again to distribution points.
Ideally, materials should go from factory to distribution and not pile in up warehouses at all.
Sunny Side Up wrote: Most importantly, there is no „white board meeting“ for 2020.
We had actual rumour engine pics for soul wars and other stuff 2 years out. The releases for the better part of 2020 are already in warehouses, on ships or In late stages of the development.
Except for 'late stages of development,' this certainly isn't true, as evidenced by the Sylvaneth delay (which got stuck on the ships shortly before its planned release date) and the pointless financial cost of just filling warehouses a year ahead of time, then moving everything again to distribution points.
Ideally, materials should go from factory to distribution and not pile in up warehouses at all.
The Sylvaneth delay was relating to the cards and books, which are produced outside of the UK.
The same thing happened with Harlequins a few years back, the models tend to be unaffected but the books and other material are.
I kinda like these 'rumours' because at least it gives us something to discuss. The last rumour engine was so obviously AOS I don't know why they bothered to post it on the 40k pages and the news from GW is somewhat lacking.
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