Well, I guess reaching into the Obscure as Feth files work for the later version of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
So are these going to be live action or animated?
Ms Marvel has already been in some animated things (with Squirrel Girl and assorted others) on their youtube channel/TV channels, so I'm not clear which way they're going to go with that, either.
All live action AFAICS. Moon Knight was originally slated to be introduced into the Netflix world in a similar way to the Punisher apparently, and the article suggests that enough work was done to warrant carrying it on into its own thing on D+.
I like Kamala, but her power set seems like it would be expensive to do for a tv series, so I worry they’ll half arse it. Putting her into the MCU at this juncture also seems early as i would think it’s hard to be inspired by someone the world barely knows exists.
AduroT wrote: I like Kamala, but her power set seems like it would be expensive to do for a tv series, so I worry they’ll half arse it.
This is Disney and Marvel Studios we're talking about. They're not hurting for money.
Besides, just watch the trailer for The Mandalorian and tell me that that show's production values don't look top notch.
I just think back to Inhumans and what they did to Medusa and I shudder.
Yeah but that was the TV division under Perlmutter, Incarnate of Spiteful Pennypinching. The Disney+ stuff is all "proper" MCU under the remit of the movie team and Feige. That's not to say they won't bungle it, but they're starting from a better position with a bigger budget, so the odds are certainly better than if it was going to end up on ABC or wherever.
Yeah my concerns for the marvel and star wars tv shows are nothing to do with production values.
Scripts, executive meddling maybe, production values not so much.
● Feige that the series will tie into the 23 films of the MCU in that they will highlight “one little difference” in each episode that changes outcomes dramatically.
● From Paul Rudd and Natalie Portman to Chadwick Boseman and Hayley Atwell, here’s a look at the cast – all under the “watchful” eye of Jeffrey Wright‘s (Westworld) The Watcher:
Ant-Man: Rudd as Ant-Man and Michael Douglas as Hank Pym
Black Panther: Boseman as Black Panther and Michael B. Jordan as Killmonger
Captain America: Sebastian Stan as Bucky Barnes, Atwell as Peggy Carter, Toby Jones as Arnim Zola, and Neal McDonough as Dum Dum Dugan
Guardians of the Galaxy: Karen Gillan as Nebula, Sean Gunn as Kraglin, Michael Rooker as Yondu, and Djimon Hounsou as Korath
Thor: Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Tom Hiddleston as Loki, Portman as Jane Foster, Taika Waititi as Korg, and Jeff Goldblum as Grandmaster
Marvel Cinematic Universe: Josh Brolin as Thanos, Mark Ruffalo as Bruce Banner/The Hulk, Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury, Jeremy Renner as Hawkeye, and Dominic Cooper as Howard Stark
● A “sizzle reel” with footage was shown, with the biggest highlights being the reveal of Captain America as a “Marvel Zombie” and Peggy Carter in action, rockin’ the shield in a Captain America/Captain Britain mash-up.
Marvel Mega Boss Kevin Feige took to the stage to give us an idea of what kind of show WandaVision will be. They haven’t started shooting yet but they did give us a small reel that’ll give us an idea of what to expect. That reel included a lot of footage of Wanda and Vision from their various appearances in the Marvel Cinematic Universe spliced together with black and white footage from the Dick Van Dyke Show. This is pretty much the closest to confirmation we’ve gotten that the show will have a 1950’s feel to it as previously rumored.
We also found out about some more casting announcements. Feige announced that two previous Marvel characters will be making an appearance on top of Teyonah Parris joining the cast as adult Monica Rambeau. Kat Denning will be returning to her role as Darcy Lewis after being absent since Thor: The Dark World and Randall Park will also be reprising his role as Agent Jimmy Woo from Ant-Man and the Wasp. Feige also announced that Katherine Hahn has joined the cast of WandaVision as a “nosey neighbor” but didn’t provide any other details about her role.
The word “weird” has been used to describe this show several times and we also got the additional description of “part sitcom, part epic MCU adventure”. WandaVision is set to film soon and will debut in 2020 on Disney+
okayyy..
That's either going to be amazing or a total disaster.
Apparently(I'm not really a comics person) there was a run of Vision that this vaguely resembles. In that, Vision builds himself a family and they all go off and attempt to "be normal"(the memory wipe that led to all this has reset Vision to his comics-default so more like Data pre-emotion chip), and it gets extremely dark and fethed up.
AduroT wrote: I like Kamala, but her power set seems like it would be expensive to do for a tv series, so I worry they’ll half arse it. Putting her into the MCU at this juncture also seems early as i would think it’s hard to be inspired by someone the world barely knows exists.
Or can’t stand, in my case. I won’t boycott an ensemble movie that she’s in, but I sure as hell won’t give a dime to a solo movie for her. I’ve read up on her origin, I’ve seen her in all the recent video games, and the character just annoys me. It has always felt like a replacement to the original Ms. Marvel (now that she firmly goes by Captain Marvel).
Moon Knight is awesome though. He and She Hulk could definitely have definitely tied in with the Defenders and Punisher and could be a lot of fun. Plus we get “crazy Egyptian Batman”!
Wait...we’re getting a live action Marvel Zombies?! *dances Irish jig in delight* That would be AWESOME!!! The first two runs, and Dead Days were incredible. Got kinda stupid eventually, but it started off great!
AduroT wrote: I just think back to Inhumans and what they did to Medusa and I shudder.
Inhumans was made by Marvel Television. This group has nothing to do with The Mandalorian, or any of these MCU shows.
timetowaste85 wrote: Wait...we’re getting a live action Marvel Zombies?! *dances Irish jig in delight* That would be AWESOME!!! The first two runs, and Dead Days were incredible. Got kinda stupid eventually, but it started off great!
AduroT wrote: I like Kamala, but her power set seems like it would be expensive to do for a tv series, so I worry they’ll half arse it. Putting her into the MCU at this juncture also seems early as i would think it’s hard to be inspired by someone the world barely knows exists.
Or can’t stand, in my case. I won’t boycott an ensemble movie that she’s in, but I sure as hell won’t give a dime to a solo movie for her. I’ve read up on her origin, I’ve seen her in all the recent video games, and the character just annoys me. It has always felt like a replacement to the original Ms. Marvel (now that she firmly goes by Captain Marvel).
Moon Knight is awesome though. He and She Hulk could definitely have definitely tied in with the Defenders and Punisher and could be a lot of fun. Plus we get “crazy Egyptian Batman”!
Wait...we’re getting a live action Marvel Zombies?! *dances Irish jig in delight* That would be AWESOME!!! The first two runs, and Dead Days were incredible. Got kinda stupid eventually, but it started off great!
Kamala has never been in the same power scale, fought in the same arenas, or existed when carol danvers was not active. In no way was she ever marketed or acted as a replacment. Shes just a nerdy kid who grew up around super heroes and has a favorite she is taking inspiration from.
Or can’t stand, in my case. I won’t boycott an ensemble movie that she’s in, but I sure as hell won’t give a dime to a solo movie for her. I’ve read up on her origin, I’ve seen her in all the recent video games, and the character just annoys me. It has always felt like a replacement to the original Ms. Marvel (now that she firmly goes by Captain Marvel).
Kamala has never been in the same power scale, fought in the same arenas, or existed when carol danvers was not active. In no way was she ever marketed or acted as a replacment. Shes just a nerdy kid who grew up around super heroes and has a favorite she is taking inspiration from.
I think the marketing early on is mainly what gave people the "replacing carol danvers" idea. I'm excited about this series though. Ms. Marvel is for sure my favorite of the "Teen" hero marvel comics right now.
Lance845 wrote: I hope they don't hold back on Moonknight. Go full on with his potential and real psychosis.
I hope they don't, because that level of nuts gets old really, really fast.
MK needs to be functionally crazy or the audience will not sympathize with him. And given the current drive to de-stigmatize mental illness, it would be a bad take for Marvel to go full crazy with MK.
Early Moon Knight is probably the easiest sell. He's adopted various identities, but this allows a larger, sympathetic cast of support characters and we can be left to wonder if MK is actually crazy or just crazy like a fox, and is Khonshu real or not?
Given the Marvel universe already has magic in it, the idea of Khonshu existing (and flat-out resurrecting Marc Spector) can't be easily dismissed, but it's easy to leave nebulous.
Lance845 wrote: I hope they don't hold back on Moonknight. Go full on with his potential and real psychosis.
I hope they don't, because that level of nuts gets old really, really fast.
MK needs to be functionally crazy or the audience will not sympathize with him. And given the current drive to de-stigmatize mental illness, it would be a bad take for Marvel to go full crazy with MK.
Early Moon Knight is probably the easiest sell. He's adopted various identities, but this allows a larger, sympathetic cast of support characters and we can be left to wonder if MK is actually crazy or just crazy like a fox, and is Khonshu real or not?
Given the Marvel universe already has magic in it, the idea of Khonshu existing (and flat-out resurrecting Marc Spector) can't be easily dismissed, but it's easy to leave nebulous.
I kinda hope they do the 2016 moon knight run. It was an interesting set up of "Moon knight in a mental institution slowly remembering his past and piecing his origins back together one last time." It lets them go balls to the wall his multiple personalities as well.
Lance845 wrote: I hope they don't hold back on Moonknight. Go full on with his potential and real psychosis.
I hope they don't, because that level of nuts gets old really, really fast.
MK needs to be functionally crazy or the audience will not sympathize with him. And given the current drive to de-stigmatize mental illness, it would be a bad take for Marvel to go full crazy with MK.
Early Moon Knight is probably the easiest sell. He's adopted various identities, but this allows a larger, sympathetic cast of support characters and we can be left to wonder if MK is actually crazy or just crazy like a fox, and is Khonshu real or not?
Given the Marvel universe already has magic in it, the idea of Khonshu existing (and flat-out resurrecting Marc Spector) can't be easily dismissed, but it's easy to leave nebulous.
I have a horrifying feeling that something subtle like that might end up like the first season of Iron Fist, where everyone just laughed at the idea that Danny was the immortal Iron Fist. Their doubt and his unreliability didn't really add anything to the story.
I'd rather see him having loud arguments and discussions over a cell phone with Khonshu in the presence of others. Either way, this show is going to spawn so many memes.
If there’s hope, it’s that the second season of Ironfist, whilst still not brilliant in the way of say, S1 Daredevil and Punished, was still a massive improvement over its first season.
Disney is giving me a She Hulk series? Really? Now I'm super conflicted. One the one hand; I'm getting a She Hulk series. On the other hand; nobody from the TV side of Marvel has shown up in the movies (apart from a guy from Agents of SHIELD) and I want a big-screen She Hulk more than anything. Maybe she'll move from TV to the movies; maybe she won't. I'm excited and saddened at the same time.
But hey--- thrilled to see we're getting White Jewish Batman too! I hope they don't skimp on the crazy with that production. Both Moon Knight and several of his followers/sidekicks are pants-on-head crazy. Done right, the show should be a glorious train wreck of spiraling WTF. I may actually spring for the Disney streaming service when these land.
It's important to understand that Marvel Television has/had no ties to the MCU and associated personnel.
This is why there were so few crossovers beyond the occasional reference and fringe character.
The Disney+ series, including She Hulk, are officially part of the MCU from the get go, and in fact it has been strongly suggested that WandaVision will filter directly into Dr Strange 2.
So it is entirely possible that you'll see her in future movies, although it may mean she's unlikely ever to see her own movie now.
Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige turned up to D23 again today, wearing a Black Widow hat. There were things to announce. As revealed in Bleeding Cool’s liveblog from the event, after burning through Star Wars footage (Rey with the double-edged lightsaber was probably the big shot) we got down to the Marvelness of it all.
First up – the announcement of the expected Black Panther II directed by Ryan Coogler (above) starring Chadwick Boseman, with a release date of May 6th, 2022.
More to come, I’m sure but that will do for now… they have a lot of Eternals to talk about first.
Involving the Eternals movie. “This story expands thousands of years, pulled back the cosmic curtain.”
And specifically that Dane Whitman was to be played by Game Of Thrones’ Kit Harington. Dale Whitman is, as any fule kno, the Black Knight, medieval superhero character dragged to the present day, and originally created for Marvel’s Avengers title in the 60s by Roy Thomas, George Tuska and John Verpoorten.
Very happy with that casting.
I believe however that's a error there -- Dane Whitman -- in comic continuity anyway -- is not from the past but is the descendant of a knight from Arthurian times.
During Marvel’s presentation at the D23 Expo, Kevin Feige announced that Game of Thrones‘ Kit Harington was cast in the series in the role of a non-Eternal member of the cast. It was also announced that Gemma Chan is playing Sersi and Barry Keoghan is playing Druig.
They join the previously cast Angelina Jolie as Thena, Richard Madden Ikaris, Kumail Nanjiani as Kingo, with Lauren Ridloff as Makkari, Brian Tyree Henry as Phastos, Salma Hayek as Ajak, Lia McHugh as Sprite, and Don Lee as Gilgamesh.
You can see some concept art from the film that was shared on Twitter showing off the character designs for these characters.
This movie follows a race of immortal aliens known at Eternals, who were sent to Earth years ago by the Celestials to protect humankind from the Deviants. When talking about the upcoming film at Comic-Con, director Chloé Zhao, explained, “It’s about this group of incredible immortals, but through their journey, we really get to explore what it means to be human and humanity on our time on this planet.”
So intersting thing with Eternals. On the marvel unlimited app they tend to promote either the new hotness, or upcoming movies. For Eternals, they specifically decided to promote the Neil Gaiman mini-series from post civil war. I kinda hope that's the version this movie adapts and they didn't just pick it because it was "more recent".
It's probably the best version to adapt, to be fair (though Gaiman has mentioned on Twitter that he's not been consulted on anything to do with the film). I'm still not 100% sold on the idea that it'll translate to film, especially in a wider universe.
Even when reading that run, good as it is, I find it really jarring when Stark and the Avengers shows up every now and then, because The Eternals and the things they're dealing with are on a whole other level and it just doesn't really gel with there being regular mortals (or even irregular mortals in nanotech supersuits) involved in that story. They make even the likes of Thor or Sentry seem insignificant, and yet simultaneously have no real impact on the world beyond their own stories, and I just find that a little dissonant.
Especially for the moviegoing public, I think they might need to dial it back just a little for it to land properly, even though we're at the point where you can put the casts of 22 movies on screen at once...
Excited to see She-Hulk especially on the TV front, always thought she'd be a shoe-in for the Netflix side of things eventually... And surely there's got to be at least some hope of her prosecuting against a certain blind lawyer from Hell's Kitchen at some point...
Moon Knight: I liked him as Egyptian God/Batman with Marlene - but got bored with the rampant insanity of later versions...... Interested to see what MCU can do with the character.
She Hulk - Meh in the comics but again happy to see what MCu do
Not sure about the rest........
the tv versions of the MCU have been very hit and miss
Agents of Shield - very up and donw, lack of the links - big and small to main shows and constant annoying focus on Fething Daisy
Agent Cater - great from start to finish - so they cancelled it. Inhumans - Truly awful from start to finish
Punisher - great from start to finish
Dardevil - Pretty good
Defenders - started well, then became crap about half way through when the Hand ran out of Ninjas and stopped being any kind of threat.
Jennifer Jones - did not enjoy,
Iron Fist - so much of a dick in Defenders did not bother - even with cute sidekick girl
Mr Morden wrote: Agents of Shield - very up and donw, lack of the links - big and small to main shows and constant annoying focus on Fething Daisy
Agent Cater - great from start to finish - so they cancelled it. Inhumans - Truly awful from start to finish
Punisher - great from start to finish
Dardevil - Pretty good
Defenders - started well, then became crap about half way through when the Hand ran out of Ninjas and stopped being any kind of threat.
Jennifer Jones - did not enjoy,
Iron Fist - so much of a dick in Defenders did not bother - even with cute sidekick girl
The only one of those Marvel Studios/Kevin Feige had anything to do with was Agent Carter.
The rest are Marvel Television, and they're not making anything for D+ at the moment. They have Hellstrom and Ghost Rider stuff coming, but they're either Hulu or ABC.
Mr Morden wrote: Agents of Shield - very up and donw, lack of the links - big and small to main shows and constant annoying focus on Fething Daisy
Agent Cater - great from start to finish - so they cancelled it. Inhumans - Truly awful from start to finish
Punisher - great from start to finish
Dardevil - Pretty good
Defenders - started well, then became crap about half way through when the Hand ran out of Ninjas and stopped being any kind of threat.
Jennifer Jones - did not enjoy,
Iron Fist - so much of a dick in Defenders did not bother - even with cute sidekick girl
The only one of those Marvel Studios/Kevin Feige had anything to do with was Agent Carter.
The rest are Marvel Television, and they're not making anything for D+ at the moment. They have Hellstrom and Ghost Rider stuff coming, but they're either Hulu or ABC.
Honestly Marvel Television needs to stop like Sony does. The only people to do this right is the MCU.
On the plus side the MCU has established that there are multiple realities now. So they can just do their own Ghost Rider and ignore this TV crap.
I look forward to Ghost Rider, one of the coolest characters in comics, once again being botched in some hideous fashion. What awful thing will they do this time? Can't wait to see!
At least Marvel TV insist on doing Robbie Reyes which is the worst Ghost Rider. I hope whenthe MCU gets around to it they do Danny Ketch with Johnny Blaze being an already established character ala Hank Pym.
Runaways is only "pretty good" if you know nothing about the source material. It's 2 seasons in and they haven't even actually run away yet. WTF.
The best thing about the Runaways comic is the crash course of these kids on the run interacting with all kinds of parts of the marvel universe. They end up in NY and trying to cut a deal with the Kingpin. A kid joins them called Victor who is a android made by Ultron and thus basically Ultrons son/Visions brother.They time travel into the past and get a little girl that was a child bride and run away with her to the present.
None of the great weird stuff will ever happen on that show.
I found these today. I really hope moonknight opens with this...
Lance845 wrote: Runaways is only "pretty good" if you know nothing about the source material. It's 2 seasons in and they haven't even actually run away yet. WTF.
What are you talking about? They ran away at the end of the first season and spent the second season hiding out in an abandoned... something. Dunno what that place was.
Lance845 wrote: Runaways is only "pretty good" if you know nothing about the source material. It's 2 seasons in and they haven't even actually run away yet. WTF.
What are you talking about? They ran away at the end of the first season and spent the second season hiding out in an abandoned... something. Dunno what that place was.
Again, they are supposed to be on this constant run/roadtrip across the crazy that is Marvel. If they are just hiding out in any one place for extended period of time then whats the point?
Lance845 wrote: Runaways is only "pretty good" if you know nothing about the source material. It's 2 seasons in and they haven't even actually run away yet. WTF.
What are you talking about? They ran away at the end of the first season and spent the second season hiding out in an abandoned... something. Dunno what that place was.
Again, they are supposed to be on this constant run/roadtrip across the crazy that is Marvel. If they are just hiding out in any one place for extended period of time then whats the point?
Honestly, we dropped season 2 because the interesting stuff with the parents was kind of over and the kid's personalities were getting grating.
I was pretty upset that Disney started to pull some of the Marvel licenses from the established Netflix series'. Of all (Luke Cage, Iron Fist, etc.) it was DareDevil that I was most sad to see such a stellar show go after the three seasons.
I wonder if it will reboot or pick up again once Disney unleashes its mega streaming network on us all?
It wasn't Disney, Netflix cancelled the shows because Disney+ meant they were essentially going to start making shows that promoted their competitors.
Netflix retains ownership of the existing shows and has said it will keep them available for the foreseeable, and apparently has some sort of exclusivity in place meaning nobody can make more shows based on the characters for at least 3 more years (I think.)
Plus D+ explicitly isn't going to carry R rated content.
So the chances of seeing any of the Defenders as anything other than maybe cameos in other shows is highly unlikely for some time in any form.
In spite of my username, I've never been able to get into Moon Knight. He's.... interesting, but the crazy gets really tiresome and none of his story arcs have held my attention.
The Vision series was pretty great. What If? comics are often fun but get tiresome after a while.
Kamala is great and I have no idea where anyone ever got the idea that she was being marketed as a replacement for Carol. Carol had taken on the Captain moniker and given up the Ms for over a year before she was even introduced. Honestly, Carol's never been given more attention than she has since Kamala was introduced. Pretty much the farthest thing from a replacement.
Curious if they'll go with the classic She-Hulk or the more modern hulkish She-Hulk. I have to admit, one of my favorite bits of the latest Avengers is Thor having a crush on She-Hulk but being extremely intimidated by Jennifer Walters.
I honestly don't get too precious about source vs adaptation usually - I could legitimately enjoy the barmy Keanu Reeves Constantine for example - but yeah, I've got to say, I'm still gutted at what a huge missed opportunity Runaways was. The show feels like the exact thing the comics (at least the Vaughan stuff) set out to challenge. The elevator pitch would sound the same, but the fundamental feel and perspective is miles off the mark, it's like making a Spiderman movie about how being a superhero is awesome fun with no responsibility or implications for your personal life.
I'm glad folks can enjoy it, saying that. But the way those comics were written, it should have been a slam dunk to get them on screen without sacrificing all the stuff that made them special rather than pretty good.
One of the really thrilling things they had going for them was how off centre their central values and sympathies were compared to other Marvel stuff - the fact that even fans of the show consider the parents the most interesting part kind of underlines how upside down the adaptation is. You're supposed to care about these kids, you're supposed to root for them even though they're friendless shoplifting screwups because goddammit, they know what's right and what's wrong when it counts, even when Captain America says otherwise, and right at the start they make their choice knowing they're going to die for it.
LunarSol wrote: Curious if they'll go with the classic She-Hulk or the more modern hulkish She-Hulk. I have to admit, one of my favorite bits of the latest Avengers is Thor having a crush on She-Hulk but being extremely intimidated by Jennifer Walters.
Interesting. Seems like Wandavision is going to adapt the Vision miniseries by Tom King, but they might splice in some of the... drama that comes from Wanda having a family.
Seeing how Disney takes Marvel storylines and adapts them into something familiar yet different, I’m rather curious how this one will turn out.
Start of trailer made me think “oh, it’s a sort of spoof of I Dream of Genie and Bewitched”. Then came the curveball almost immediately after I finished having that thought.
Really looking forward to it, especially if it can match the brilliance of The Mandalorian.
Lance845 wrote: Miles morales, khamala khan, and kate bishop are all pretty great imo. Though miles took a bit to really become his own thing.
Yeah, it's a real shame that Miles took so long to develop. Those first few issues aren't the best, but I think it was mostly just that he got dropped right into the middle the Ultimate Universe death spiral.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, really excited for Wandavision. I'm not sure how many seasons I'd actually like to see it run, but it's clearly based on a fantastic comic run and I think they've blended it exceptionally well with the history of the characters.
I would say Wandavision looks great but truthfully it was hard to have a feel for how good it would be from that trailer. I assume it will be great because I think it is a neat idea, Scarlet Witch is cool, I like Elizabeth Olsen, and - more than anything else - because Kathryn Hahn doesn't pick losers.
I would say this is the thing I am second most interested in, after Moon Knight.
I honestly do not want ANY of these to be ongoing shows with their own multiple seasons.
I want tight, contained, miniseries with a definitive start and end that slots inyo the mcu. Dont make a s2 of wandavision if it doesnt make sense for it to exist.
Tell THIS story at THIS time because its the correct story for the character and then move on to which ever character needs their story told next.
I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.
We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.
(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)
Lance845 wrote: I hope they don't hold back on Moonknight. Go full on with his potential and real psychosis.
I hope they don't, because that level of nuts gets old really, really fast.
MK needs to be functionally crazy or the audience will not sympathize with him. And given the current drive to de-stigmatize mental illness, it would be a bad take for Marvel to go full crazy with MK.
Early Moon Knight is probably the easiest sell. He's adopted various identities, but this allows a larger, sympathetic cast of support characters and we can be left to wonder if MK is actually crazy or just crazy like a fox, and is Khonshu real or not?
Given the Marvel universe already has magic in it, the idea of Khonshu existing (and flat-out resurrecting Marc Spector) can't be easily dismissed, but it's easy to leave nebulous.
I'm with Lance. IMO, MK stories were best when they embraced the crazy.
However, it's a Disney and Feige joint, so I'm betting it's gonna lean hard to 'safe'.
I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.
But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.
My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?
Lance845 wrote: I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.
But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.
My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?
If memory serves, the Bushman was the one that left Spector for dead and was that same merc that shot Spector in the first place before Spector became Moon Knight. Bushman is probably the closest Moon Knight has to a “nemesis” in the first place.
The 2000s run also featured the Bushman as a sort of psychological “ghost” haunting Moon Knight later on. Knowing how Disney adaptations of Marvel stories usually take the foundation and weave their own spin on them, I can see them using the Bushman for some kind of first arc, killing him off, and using him for that same purpose later on.
The older Moon Knight comics didn’t really stick to one main villain, but this might be a good first choice.
One of the more recent (by which i mean a couple years old) runs had the Sun King as a avatar of Ra as an adversary too. They COULD do that. But like... thats got to be something for later.
I feel like the Disney + series is just a introduction to the character so that he can show up in other things like a comic version of Defenders or Midnight Sons.
Get some Blade and Moon Knight fighting Dracula or some gak.
BrianDavion wrote: if anyone BTW needs to be sold on Kamala Khan, go play the Avegers video game
Yeah but then I'd have to play through a tedious corporate grind-fest filled with microtransactions, battlepasses and all the trappings of a modern AAA game.
Lance845 wrote: I honestly do not want ANY of these to be ongoing shows with their own multiple seasons.
I'm not sure that they're all meant to.
Falcon/Winter Soldier seems like a one-and-done thing, as the characters would be involved in movies after this. Wandavision leads into the next Dr. Strange film, so it'd be odd to go back to the setting. How many seasons of time travelling Loki can they get?
The others could be ongoing, but it depends if they're going to bring them into the movies or not.
Azreal13 wrote: I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.
We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.
(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)
The one thing the Netflix series really got right was the casting for most of the heroes.
It'd be a shame to lose Charlie Cox and Mike Colter. They just embodied their characters so well.
I notice you didn't include Finn Wassisname in that list.
But the original Defenders (and maybe a tweaked IF) could conceivably find a home on Hulu and still be able to retain a tone like they had on NF.
If they try and reimagine them to fit into a D+ friendly format, I think that'll turn too many ready made viewers off to be sustainable.
Unless they *really* smash it out of the park of course, but it's hard to see how DD and JJ especially could retain their essence and be family friendly.
If you could get him into a Spiderman film, that'd be great. And Disney wouldn't do Jessica Jones. It's easy to get the others, even Iron Fist, in a Disney context:
Daredevil - Blind ninja lawyer! Power Man - Bullet proof hero of Harlem! Iron Fist - Super-power Kung Fu Master!
But JJ?
Jessica Jones - Hard drinking, acerbic, cynical private... eye... yay family? *shrugs*
Although having said all the above, there's a chance we may get a new avenue to Iron Fist via the Shang Chi movie.
Lance845 wrote: I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.
But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.
My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?
Hatchet Man could be a nice low-level starter villain.
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Azreal13 wrote: I notice you didn't include Finn Wassisname in that list.
I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.
There really is very little evidence to the contrary. Just for fun I looked up his acting history on IMDB. He's been little more than a soap actor (and not even in what might be termed the quality British soaps) whose longest run was 14 episodes, or a B movie actor prior to his profile getting a shot in the arm thanks to GoT (and let's face it, nobody's getting teary eyed with nostalgia over his turn in that) which almost directly seems to have lead to his landing the role of Danny.
Sure, I guess somebody somewhere thought he had what it takes, but it overwhelmingly appears that person was wrong.
Still, he's starring in an Apple TV show now, so I'm sure that'll be massive.
I won't say he's put in an outstanding performance elsewhere or anything, but I will say that any show that is part of Scott Buck's baffling ability to fail ever upward isn't going to showcase anyone at their best.
I’m not claiming that he’s a great actor. But the role was SO bafflingly poorly written that it’s not something I feel comfortable judging him on. Great actors have had trouble with better written roles than that one.
gorgon wrote: I’m not claiming that he’s a great actor. But the role was SO bafflingly poorly written that it’s not something I feel comfortable judging him on. Great actors have had trouble with better written roles than that one.
Agreed.
I have had multiple conversations with people where I had to explain that Danny Rand has the glowy fist because hes basically the sorcerer supreme of martial arts. He is SO good at martial arts that he earned the Iron Fist. He is the Immortal Iron Fist because he is so good. Not he is so good because he is the immortal Iron Fist.
That first bit in the show when he goes into Rand Industries and dodges around all the security guards was promising. Iron Fist is so far past them that he wouldn't fight them. It's just not worth the effort. He has nothing to prove. Then it was down hill from there. When the Defenders are fighting all those Hand Ninja you should have seen everyone taking out like 5-10 ninjas and then being super winded from the effort. Then a door opens and Danny walks out looking fresh as a daisy with like 25 dudes unconscious behind him. The Iron Fist should be THAT good in hand to hand combat.
That show was not the actors fault. It was the writers.
I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...
I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.
Alpharius wrote: I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...
I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.
At least not too much, if that makes sense?
Why not? I mean no mater what Marc IS a loony. The only question is whether they make Konshu real or not or ambiguous. What version of that are you hoping for?
In particular I like the idea that people are not sure if Moon Knight is enhanced or not. Like... he COULD have super powers gifted to him from some crazy moon god. It would explain why he keeps surviving the suicidal gak he does. Or maybe it's something like 2 parts hes actually that good and 3 parts he is insanely lucky? WHO KNOWS!?
gorgon wrote: I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.
I don't blame him either. It was the show, not the actor, that brought Iron Fist down. I mean they had no time to rehearse the fights, in a show that's about a martial arts virtuoso.
gorgon wrote: I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.
I don't blame him either. It was the show, not the actor, that brought Iron Fist down. I mean they had no time to rehearse the fights, in a show that's about a martial arts virtuoso.
Scott Buck ruined Iron Fist.
Given how badly written the character was I wonder why they even bothered getting an actor with no fight background and training him badly (due to time constraints apparently). Why not go with an actual martial artist who was an OK actor? Of course, that would require the writers to realise they'd screwed up...
Alpharius wrote: I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...
I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.
At least not too much, if that makes sense?
It makes sense and agreed - but I am looking back on the original run.
In particular I like the idea that people are not sure if Moon Knight is enhanced or not. Like... he COULD have super powers gifted to him from some crazy moon god. It would explain why he keeps surviving the suicidal gak he does. Or maybe it's something like 2 parts hes actually that good and 3 parts he is insanely lucky? WHO KNOWS!?
Easy E wrote: Ultimately, Iron Fist had no idea WHAT it was trying to say in Season 1. Season 2 was better, but still not there yet.
I hope Moon Knight knows what it is trying to say with the series..... there are a lot of options....
Yeah, there was like a kernel of a good idea with IF...but then no idea how to execute it. The character's appearance in LC was a vast improvement that underlined how the actor and character could have been successful with different writers.
I want to love Moon Knight, but he's definitely one of those characters that has never quite landed a definitive take. It's not the kind of thing I'd go into with expectations from the comics.
In particular I like the idea that people are not sure if Moon Knight is enhanced or not. Like... he COULD have super powers gifted to him from some crazy moon god. It would explain why he keeps surviving the suicidal gak he does. Or maybe it's something like 2 parts hes actually that good and 3 parts he is insanely lucky? WHO KNOWS!?
I seen it explained that he 'wants you to see him coming' - at least, at a certain point.
And maybe that Khonshu asks (demands?) that he be this visible too?
Protecting those night time travels and all that...
Yeah, I don't mind the REASON for the white. And I don't mind a LOT of white. But the all white both just doesn't look good aesthetically and would look terrible on film. (all white doesn't film well) A big white hooded cape drapped all over his body still shows up real easy.
Bendis fails to stick the landing too often for me. I really enjoy his dialog, but the stories themselves always seem to stumble across the finish line. He's like the JJ Abrams of comics for me. I go in expecting both enjoyment and disappointment and that feels really weird after seeing it happen enough times.
I don’t know if I’ve actually ready a Bendis story end. I generally don’t pay attention to the authors of the books I read, just the characters. I only took notice of Bendis after the made the big deal of him leaving Marvel and going to DC and suddenly my favorite books got worse and I found they were all written by him. I’ve been really enjoying his Superman stories since.
A lot of people started following authors instead of characters. Good writers do great things with a variety of characters. Good characters still have terrible stories by bad writers.
Hickman and the rest of the Dawn of X teams working together to tell a singular story has been the highlight of comics for me recently. Since Dawn/Powers of X it's been some of the best comics writing in the last decade.
Following writers will leave you a lot happier than trying to follow characters for sure. Sometimes its good to stick with a character just to discover new writers though.
Azreal13 wrote: I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.
We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.
(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)
My never-gonna-happen dream would be a Power Man & Iron Fist series set as a period piece in the 70's.
Lance845 wrote: I love Keanu, but hiring an older actor puts a natural cap on how much we get out of a given character in the mcu. I prefer if they cast younger.
Anyone else and I might agree, but I don’t think that’s a concern when you hire an immortal.
Azreal13 wrote: I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.
We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.
(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)
My never-gonna-happen dream would be a Power Man & Iron Fist series set as a period piece in the 70's.
Yeah, a whole series is unlikely, but I could see them do a dream episode of two of that if one of them were to suffer a concussion/coma.
LunarSol wrote: Bendis fails to stick the landing too often for me. I really enjoy his dialog, but the stories themselves always seem to stumble across the finish line. He's like the JJ Abrams of comics for me. I go in expecting both enjoyment and disappointment and that feels really weird after seeing it happen enough times.
Here here. Bendis has good grasp of the characters, fun dialogue, it all looks so good, and then his plotting gradually falls apart.
I'm a little late to the Iron Fist party, But I wanted to put in my own anecdote. I was working in the film industry in Atlanta while that first season was in production, and from what my stunt actor friends said, the iron fist actor put in basically zero effort to learn his fight choreography and that is part of the reason all the fights in Iron Fist felt so odd and disjointed.
.. still no love/future for Darkhawk then ?
