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I honestly do not want ANY of these to be ongoing shows with their own multiple seasons.

I want tight, contained, miniseries with a definitive start and end that slots inyo the mcu. Dont make a s2 of wandavision if it doesnt make sense for it to exist.

Tell THIS story at THIS time because its the correct story for the character and then move on to which ever character needs their story told next.

I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.

We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.

(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)

 John Prins wrote:

 Lance845 wrote:
I hope they don't hold back on Moonknight. Go full on with his potential and real psychosis.

I hope they don't, because that level of nuts gets old really, really fast.

MK needs to be functionally crazy or the audience will not sympathize with him. And given the current drive to de-stigmatize mental illness, it would be a bad take for Marvel to go full crazy with MK.

Early Moon Knight is probably the easiest sell. He's adopted various identities, but this allows a larger, sympathetic cast of support characters and we can be left to wonder if MK is actually crazy or just crazy like a fox, and is Khonshu real or not?

Given the Marvel universe already has magic in it, the idea of Khonshu existing (and flat-out resurrecting Marc Spector) can't be easily dismissed, but it's easy to leave nebulous.

I'm with Lance. IMO, MK stories were best when they embraced the crazy.

However, it's a Disney and Feige joint, so I'm betting it's gonna lean hard to 'safe'.

I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.

But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.

My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?

 Lance845 wrote:
I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.

But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.

My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?

If memory serves, the Bushman was the one that left Spector for dead and was that same merc that shot Spector in the first place before Spector became Moon Knight. Bushman is probably the closest Moon Knight has to a “nemesis” in the first place.
The 2000s run also featured the Bushman as a sort of psychological “ghost” haunting Moon Knight later on. Knowing how Disney adaptations of Marvel stories usually take the foundation and weave their own spin on them, I can see them using the Bushman for some kind of first arc, killing him off, and using him for that same purpose later on.

The older Moon Knight comics didn’t really stick to one main villain, but this might be a good first choice.

One of the more recent (by which i mean a couple years old) runs had the Sun King as a avatar of Ra as an adversary too. They COULD do that. But like... thats got to be something for later.

I feel like the Disney + series is just a introduction to the character so that he can show up in other things like a comic version of Defenders or Midnight Sons.

Get some Blade and Moon Knight fighting Dracula or some gak.

BrianDavion wrote:
if anyone BTW needs to be sold on Kamala Khan, go play the Avegers video game

Yeah but then I'd have to play through a tedious corporate grind-fest filled with microtransactions, battlepasses and all the trappings of a modern AAA game.

No thanks.

Or just go read her first trade. Shes a great character whos initial series was fantastic.

 Lance845 wrote:
I honestly do not want ANY of these to be ongoing shows with their own multiple seasons.

I'm not sure that they're all meant to.

Falcon/Winter Soldier seems like a one-and-done thing, as the characters would be involved in movies after this. Wandavision leads into the next Dr. Strange film, so it'd be odd to go back to the setting. How many seasons of time travelling Loki can they get?

The others could be ongoing, but it depends if they're going to bring them into the movies or not.

 Azreal13 wrote:
I won't link to any sources, as frankly none of them feel like nailed on cast iron sources, but lots of chatter about Daredevil coming back with Charlie Cox retained.

We are on the verge of the original Netflix deal expiring, so might be plausible.

(Same chatter hinting at Luke Cage/IF reboot, which would be a shame as I liked Mike Colter in the role, even if the shows weren't always top notch.)

The one thing the Netflix series really got right was the casting for most of the heroes.

It'd be a shame to lose Charlie Cox and Mike Colter. They just embodied their characters so well.

I'd also love to see Mike Colter come back, he was great.

I notice you didn't include Finn Wassisname in that list.

But the original Defenders (and maybe a tweaked IF) could conceivably find a home on Hulu and still be able to retain a tone like they had on NF.

If they try and reimagine them to fit into a D+ friendly format, I think that'll turn too many ready made viewers off to be sustainable.

Unless they *really* smash it out of the park of course, but it's hard to see how DD and JJ especially could retain their essence and be family friendly.

Plus Vince needs to come back as Wilson!

If you could get him into a Spiderman film, that'd be great. And Disney wouldn't do Jessica Jones. It's easy to get the others, even Iron Fist, in a Disney context:

Daredevil - Blind ninja lawyer!
Power Man - Bullet proof hero of Harlem!
Iron Fist - Super-power Kung Fu Master!

But JJ?

Jessica Jones - Hard drinking, acerbic, cynical private... eye... yay family? *shrugs*

Although having said all the above, there's a chance we may get a new avenue to Iron Fist via the Shang Chi movie.

 Lance845 wrote:
I think it will lean hard to safe in terms of the degree of violence. We won't see a ton of blood. We won't see the sheer volume of brutality.

But Marvel movies can get away with a lot of heavy stuff while being PG-13 and I expect Moon Knight to do the same. His origin should be more or less wholly in tact. Merc who won't cross a line, gets shot and left for dead, taken to shrine. Ambiguity as to whether Konshu is real or not coupled with multiple personalities.

My only big question is who is going to be his villains? Is the first "season" going to be a revenge quest on the guy who shot him? Could be. But then what?

Hatchet Man could be a nice low-level starter villain.


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 Azreal13 wrote:
I notice you didn't include Finn Wassisname in that list.

I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.

Nice use of old/original costumes as I am assuming Halloween costumes in the Wandavision trailer.

I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible,

There really is very little evidence to the contrary. Just for fun I looked up his acting history on IMDB. He's been little more than a soap actor (and not even in what might be termed the quality British soaps) whose longest run was 14 episodes, or a B movie actor prior to his profile getting a shot in the arm thanks to GoT (and let's face it, nobody's getting teary eyed with nostalgia over his turn in that) which almost directly seems to have lead to his landing the role of Danny.

Sure, I guess somebody somewhere thought he had what it takes, but it overwhelmingly appears that person was wrong.

Still, he's starring in an Apple TV show now, so I'm sure that'll be massive.

I won't say he's put in an outstanding performance elsewhere or anything, but I will say that any show that is part of Scott Buck's baffling ability to fail ever upward isn't going to showcase anyone at their best.

I’m not claiming that he’s a great actor. But the role was SO bafflingly poorly written that it’s not something I feel comfortable judging him on. Great actors have had trouble with better written roles than that one.

 gorgon wrote:
I’m not claiming that he’s a great actor. But the role was SO bafflingly poorly written that it’s not something I feel comfortable judging him on. Great actors have had trouble with better written roles than that one.

Agreed.

I have had multiple conversations with people where I had to explain that Danny Rand has the glowy fist because hes basically the sorcerer supreme of martial arts. He is SO good at martial arts that he earned the Iron Fist. He is the Immortal Iron Fist because he is so good. Not he is so good because he is the immortal Iron Fist.

That first bit in the show when he goes into Rand Industries and dodges around all the security guards was promising. Iron Fist is so far past them that he wouldn't fight them. It's just not worth the effort. He has nothing to prove. Then it was down hill from there. When the Defenders are fighting all those Hand Ninja you should have seen everyone taking out like 5-10 ninjas and then being super winded from the effort. Then a door opens and Danny walks out looking fresh as a daisy with like 25 dudes unconscious behind him. The Iron Fist should be THAT good in hand to hand combat.

That show was not the actors fault. It was the writers.

I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...

I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.

At least not too much, if that makes sense?

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...

I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.

At least not too much, if that makes sense?

Why not? I mean no mater what Marc IS a loony. The only question is whether they make Konshu real or not or ambiguous. What version of that are you hoping for?

One where it might be ambiguous but it more likely than not real.

Kind of what was going on up until the awful Bendis run, I think?

I can agree with that.

In particular I like the idea that people are not sure if Moon Knight is enhanced or not. Like... he COULD have super powers gifted to him from some crazy moon god. It would explain why he keeps surviving the suicidal gak he does. Or maybe it's something like 2 parts hes actually that good and 3 parts he is insanely lucky? WHO KNOWS!?

I also hope they go with something like this

for the look. The all white look kind of sucks.

 gorgon wrote:
I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.

I don't blame him either. It was the show, not the actor, that brought Iron Fist down. I mean they had no time to rehearse the fights, in a show that's about a martial arts virtuoso.

Scott Buck ruined Iron Fist.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 gorgon wrote:
I don't necessarily think that actor is terrible, like so many seem to. I think he was handed a bit of a poop sandwich in season 1 with bad writing and not enough time to train. I think I know what the writers were *trying* to do...but the execution was terrible and I don't think the actor knew what to do with it.

I don't blame him either. It was the show, not the actor, that brought Iron Fist down. I mean they had no time to rehearse the fights, in a show that's about a martial arts virtuoso.

Scott Buck ruined Iron Fist.

Given how badly written the character was I wonder why they even bothered getting an actor with no fight background and training him badly (due to time constraints apparently). Why not go with an actual martial artist who was an OK actor? Of course, that would require the writers to realise they'd screwed up...

Iron Fist and Moon Knight eh?



I just like this particular fight.

 Grimskul wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
if anyone BTW needs to be sold on Kamala Khan, go play the Avegers video game

I'd say watch the story cutscenes of her in the Avengers game, because the game itself is pretty uninspired cash grab garbage IMO.

a cash grab would require the game to have anything remotely worth buying. it doesn't

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm still most looking forward to Moon Knight, but nervously so - as so much hinges upon the actor they go with AND the version of Moon Knight they go with too...

I hope it won't be the "Marc's a looney and it really is all in his head...maybe!" version.

At least not too much, if that makes sense?

It makes sense and agreed - but I am looking back on the original run.

Ultimately, Iron Fist had no idea WHAT it was trying to say in Season 1. Season 2 was better, but still not there yet.

I hope Moon Knight knows what it is trying to say with the series..... there are a lot of options....

You guys make we more optimistic!

(Which means we're getting the Bendis version, doesn't it?!?)

 Lance845 wrote:


In particular I like the idea that people are not sure if Moon Knight is enhanced or not. Like... he COULD have super powers gifted to him from some crazy moon god. It would explain why he keeps surviving the suicidal gak he does. Or maybe it's something like 2 parts hes actually that good and 3 parts he is insanely lucky? WHO KNOWS!?

I like that version best, I think.

 Lance845 wrote:
The all white look kind of sucks.

I seen it explained that he 'wants you to see him coming' - at least, at a certain point.

And maybe that Khonshu asks (demands?) that he be this visible too?

Protecting those night time travels and all that...

 Easy E wrote:
Ultimately, Iron Fist had no idea WHAT it was trying to say in Season 1. Season 2 was better, but still not there yet.

I hope Moon Knight knows what it is trying to say with the series..... there are a lot of options....

Yeah, there was like a kernel of a good idea with IF...but then no idea how to execute it. The character's appearance in LC was a vast improvement that underlined how the actor and character could have been successful with different writers.