Since we had a thread with the opposite question; what currently on sale models make your teeth itch?
Also added a poll to see what faction contains the most models you disliked once you've given it some thought (versions of the same base model do not count separately, for example the Tau Razor Shark and Sun Shark would count as 1 model, same with Chaos Maulerfiend and Forge Fiend etc)
Grey Knights omitted, don't want to kick someone lying down, also any faction with less than 5 separate unique kits
---- the above are all for the same reason: looking like toys/ don't look like they properly belong in the universe, scale problems, shortcuts in mechanical design etc) ----
Contemptor Dreadnought with variants (counting as Space Marines I guess)
Primaris Centurions
Primaris Repulsor
Primaris Impulsor
4 out of 5 GW Space Marine flyers (bricks! how do they make them fly! The Nephilim is the only not completely visually offensive one though it's still not good)
Dark Eldar Hellions (A sole blemish on an otherwise perfect range)
GSC special mention: I dislike almost everything they have, but not enough for a single one to be mentioned. Even though I play both IG and Nids, I dislike GSC lineup. I guess they feel like they should be in the Mad Max franchise, not 40K. Where are the turned Adeptus Arbites? Storm Troopers? Anything military and not rando civvies from the dirt pit?
Tyranid Raveners (only the plastic 4th edition ones currently being sold, the metal ones before that are excellent)
Tyranid Lictor (new kit when?)
Tyranid Haruspex
Phew, when I started this I didn't expect Space Marines to get so much shade. I just kept remembering all kinds of repressed memories as I went.
Voted for Tyranids. Most of their units look like bad caricatures of Alien. Add to that the ridiculousness of many of them carrying hilarious bio-guns.
Slaanesh and Tzeentch-Daemons are also not my taste.
All the Primaris, Wulfen, Space Wolf flyers and the older sculpts like most Phoenix Lords are the only things I actively dislike. Less so the Phoenix Lords because they aren't bad so much as outdated.
Not a sculpt per se, but I really really dislike GW's (fairly) recent penchant for adding swirly gak to models that do not need it. The main offender being the Yncarne.
I despise a lot of the newer SM sculpts as a lot of them have gone beyond the point of ridiculousness. The SW flyer that literally looks like a dog's head, the Dreadnot, Centurions, Emo Shrike, the chibi flyer, Reivers. I particularly hate the last due to the attached rules. "Wooo look at me! I'm a spooky boi with a skull mask!" that somehow is more threatening than a myriad of other cosmic horrors, literal gods and eldritch abominations roaming the galaxy.
I hate the new Ork vehicles, not from a design standpoint but from a build one. If there should be anything that is not built from a standard production line it is an Ork vehicle. No two should look the same.
Not a fan of most of the slanesh models, some of them just scream that a basement dwelling virgin designed them.
Also many of the nid models are terrible and Bradley need an update.
SM flyers are horrible, also not a fan of the repulsor models. Not a fan of reivers both rules and model. All non helmeted space marine models. Not a fan of the land raiders, impulsors, and rhinos.
Not a model but I hate the new flying stems and some of the overly scenic bases.
Grimtuff wrote: Not a sculpt per se, but I really really dislike GW's (fairly) recent penchant for adding swirly gak to models that do not need it. The main offender being the Yncarne.
Good point, I'll add overly elaborate bases too (for the most part)
Main offender: their recent attempt at updating Drazhar. It's just a normal Incubi with a necklace perched on an idiotic base. Since I have the old one, I can convince myself it doesn't exist though.
As an entire range, I personally dislike the SW line. I feel like the monastic/knightly order feel of SM armour in general doesn't match well with the Viking/wolf aesthetic of SW, especially the more egregious examples of overdoing the wolf aspect of the SW line like Thunderwolf Cavalry, Murderfang and the Wulfen.
Specifically, I'm not a big fan of the main plastic IG range, especially when you compare it to 3rd party sculpts and DKOK. Give me my greatcoat regiment dammit! I also think the basic genestealer kit needs an update closer to the Genestealers from the most recent Space Hulk box set. A lot of the SM range I'm not crazy about, particularly the new Primaris vehicles (barring the FW one) and Centurions.
I voted DE.
But this is true only because I really really dislike the the original sculpts. To the point where there wasn't enough I'd spend $ on to make a force.
While the current line is improved, the originals still exist & so earn the faction my vote.
Voted for deathguard, though nurgle demons are mostly as bad to my eyes. The mephitic blightcrawler being a shining example of what I don't like.
Overly busy designs with horrible silhouettes coupled with the drab colour scheme makes for a sludgy mess on the tabletop. Up close they can look great but in a game I really don't like the way they look.
Not entirely sure how to word it but the closest I can come would be that I see no comedy to them, I get a sadistic chuckle from other lines, I’ve never gotten amusement from the Tau.
Hmm. Certainly I remember when I first saw the Defiler that I thought it was poor. But I quickly got over it.
Nothing like the blood-curdling, vomit-gargled shriek of horror I let out when the Forgefiends were announced. This was before I learned to pretend certain models didn't exist, so I actually took a break from 40k for like a year just because of those models +Heldrake
I was convinced 40k was going to go to hell in a handbasket if those things were approved, so I kneejerk reacted and sold a bunch of stuff. But they got back on track with better models later.
Most daemon engines. It's not so much that I hate them it's just that I don't feel they fit in my night lords army and gw tries to force them down csm players throats with rules.
For an example see the godawful khorne lord of skulls getting a huge points drop while the hellforged super heavys from fw remained priced out of usefulness.
There are many sculps I am really not fond of. The already mentioned demon engines are good examples of sculpts that could have been done better, but I don't hate them.
These are my top 3:
Curren CSM mutilators kit: I always liked the fluff and the concept of the mutilators and the obliterators. Obliterators got a cool update in shadowspear, but mutilators are still stuck with their horrendous old sculpts....they really deserve an update.
Corpuscarii electropriests: I hate that kit, not only because it looks super goofy, but because the basic concept is again really cool and I just can't help to imagine what could have been if they did a better job. I mean look at their fingers....
The infamous Grey Knights dreadknight aka babycarrier: same as with the electropriests what infuriates me most is what could have been done here. I still to this day can not fathom how this sculpt was ever approved as the best one....it looks freaking ridiculous and is an utterly stupid and impractical design even for 40k standards and that's saying something
I voted Tau for the battlesuits but Space Marines are close second. Centurions, assault centurions, warsuit, inceptor... So many dumb af concept resulting is so many atrocious design not even worthy of being a toy. But at the same time 90% of the range is just such an accomplishment !
ArcaneHorror wrote: Both Tyranid and IG infantry units need major overhauls.
Actually I strongly disagree. We usually see lots of them being speed painted because they are so numerous but lovely painted IG infantry is in fact totally lovable and almost up to date.
Honestly, there's very few sculpts I *don't* like, or at least are indifferent to. I don't think there's a sculpt out there that I'd say I *hate*. Can't really say I'm particularly attached to the Catachan range though.
However, on purely a case of "which faction's aesthetics appeal to me the least", I'd have to say Eldar/Dark Eldar. They're just not for me. They look fine, I guess, but they're not an aesthetic I'd want to collect an army of.
Primarized special characters- Mepihston especially, was SO CLOSE to being great but the sculptor over did it with the flowy robes and boring plasma pistol pose.
New Deathguard- wayyyy too busy, and, as is the trend, TOO much character.
Visarch, Yvraine- too much "hey this would look cool" not enough thinking design choices over.
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Yncanre- swirly gak is so prominent it distracts from the being, said being looks too much like a demonette or something than an Eldar avatar
New Ork buggies- same problem as DG, too much character, too specific, too much of the imagining done for us
Logan Claus, Murderfang, flying longboat fine idea but poorly executed.
I have a hard time liking most non-infantry sculpts. id even argue my favorite overall sculpts for "consistency" would be in Daemons just because im not adverse to the daemon models, no matter the size. or maybe daemon related models work for me because consistency isn't technically a daemons thing.
But if i have to pick one thing i don't like consistently.. marine models. centurions ive gotten over, but the Dreadknight and invictor warsuit both sit on my near-recoil territory, especially with the conversions ive seen to make them look better on the mind. give me more Custodes FW dreadnoughts compared to either of those designs, please. when i hear "imperial" i wanna think "knights" not "exposed pilot WHY!"
Currently im favoring Tau, but even their battlesuits take time for me to like. after seeing a stormsurge with arms, i find the base one just... egh, and thats with their equipment having something off with them to me. ahh, this game, where lore or mechanics hold interest, but art throws me off and around.
I voted Imperial Guard, as the line needs a serious face-lift to its infantry. The vehicles are in a good spot, but people don't want Candia copy pasta regiment 3456797532, we want Armageddon, Tallarn, Catachan! The galaxy is a big place...
That Tau range - specifically, from the release of the Riptide onwards.
The initial range from 3rd ed was OK, bar some... odd design choices (plastic/metal hybrid Broadsides, anyone?).
They had some interesting background on favouring airpower over EVEN BIGGER BATTLESUITS, which was expanded on in Imperial Armour with the Tiger Shark with big railguns for hunting Knights/Titans. Efficient use of resources with units which can cover multiple theatres makes sense.
What do we get instead the next time they've revisted? The fething Riptide, and multiple EVEN BIGGAH BATTLESUITS since.
I really don't like Genestealer Cults as an army. I don't have the nostalgia ties to them that others do and all I can see is slightly fethed up human models with Tyranid bits stuck to the side. The vehicles are nice but none of the infantry take my fancy.
Also really not a fan of AdMech. Too much spindly wierd bits going on, but I like the robots.
Also not a fan of Tau models. Like battlesuits a lot but the vehicles and auxiliaries are lackluster, but that's a lot to do with dating. I think the Kroot, Vespid, Hammerhead, Devilfish and Piranha models are from 3rd/4th ed are they not?
Where are the military gsc? You...make them out of the kits for guard and scions yall. Gsc is imo the very last range that will ever be designed with player creativity in mind even a tiny bit. There are tons of kits for professional military units in 40k already, and basically no civilians.
That's it. The whole model line gets me dizzy from all the eye rolling I have to do. Cartoony Thunderwolves. Freeze Rays. The action pose 80s hair metal wulfen. The Falcor flyer. And snow bases every time.
All the heads. The beards. Bald heads with a single braid. Flat top haircuts. Blow out. A crooked mohawk? Ulrik the Slayer. Awesome helmet... but hes holding it?
Centurions - I mean look at them - truely horrible models
Pretty much all of the toy flyers
Santa Logan
the new Wulfen (old ones are fine)
Murder Mc Murder the Murder Dreadnought - ugg it looks awful and the lore is as bad.
Special mention though for the Grey Knights Dreadknight - horrible and the Tauros - same
That's it. The whole model line gets me dizzy from all the eye rolling I have to do. Cartoony Thunderwolves. Freeze Rays. The action pose 80s hair metal wulfen. The Falcor flyer. And snow bases every time.
All the heads. The beards. Bald heads with a single braid. Flat top haircuts. Blow out. A crooked mohawk? Ulrik the Slayer. Awesome helmet... but hes holding it?
I imagine Ulrik to be standing off in the distance surveying the battle - since 40k scale is screwed up six inches could be six metres or six miles.
Deadshot wrote: I think the Kroot, Vespid, Hammerhead, Devilfish and Piranha models are from 3rd/4th ed are they not?
Kroot and Devilfish/ Hammerhead from 3rd edition
Vespid and Piranha from 4th
Yeah I mostly agree, though paint scheme matters a lot with Kroot and Vespid and can bring them out of eyesore territory IMO. But a lot of people paint their Kroot the same browns or greens. They look nice in a bright red. Vespid have static poses which is lame. But I quite like how mine turned out with a Dark Angels green base drybrushed with Ice Blue. Probably bias lol but it was a paint scheme I surprised myself with.
the_scotsman wrote: Where are the military gsc? You...make them out of the kits for guard and scions yall. Gsc is imo the very last range that will ever be designed with player creativity in mind even a tiny bit. There are tons of kits for professional military units in 40k already, and basically no civilians.
Yeah I understand that, but people have been asking for new Adeptus Arbites (police) models ever since original Necromunda got axed and GSC would have been a nice opportunity to bring them back. Stuff like that. There's a lot of non-military but still officio arms of the Imperium that could have models in the GSC. And the variety of civilians provided is also one-dimensional here, not gonna lie.
That's it. The whole model line gets me dizzy from all the eye rolling I have to do. Cartoony Thunderwolves. Freeze Rays. The action pose 80s hair metal wulfen. The Falcor flyer. And snow bases every time.
All the heads. The beards. Bald heads with a single braid. Flat top haircuts. Blow out. A crooked mohawk? Ulrik the Slayer. Awesome helmet... but hes holding it?
Agree with almost everything but some of the heads are cool. They really missed the chance to make cool Wulfen but their fluff has really changed. I made a full 13th Company army with Thunderwolves sans riders that look far better IMO.
LoftyS wrote: Since we had a thread with the opposite question; what currently on sale models make your teeth itch?
Also added a poll to see what faction contains the most models you disliked once you've given it some thought (versions of the same base model do not count separately, for example the Tau Razor Shark and Sun Shark would count as 1 model, same with Chaos Maulerfiend and Forge Fiend etc)
Grey Knights omitted, don't want to kick someone lying down, also any faction with less than 5 separate unique kits
Phew, when I started this I didn't expect Space Marines to get so much shade. I just kept remembering all kinds of repressed memories as I went.
Least favorite models:
Centurions
Terminators
Aggressors
Least favorite overall aesthetic:
Chaos Daemons.
Space Marine helmets get honorable mention here, since I dislike them intensely, but the rest of the model is generally ok. Fortunately, my space marines come with enough unhelmeted heads for everybody, but the wild haircuts are starting to get pretty repetitive now.
Catachan Jungle Fighters infantry squad. Their arms are misshapen and don't match the torso. Not to mention that their faces look like they got hit with a shovel. Ugly as sin. Period.
In terms of design it's basically all things Primaris for me. The repulser vehicles, dreadnought, and the moon boots especially. They are just such a thematic slap in the face to look at, like some cheap third party brand trying to make everything just different enough to get around copyright law.
...Although that description fits GW pretty good too.
I give the FW repulsor superheavy a pass though. It looks distinct and reasonably proportioned enough to be an ancient relic vehicle.
On the topic of FW, the GW Leman Russ tank sculpt is pretty rubbish, with huge sections lacking detail and god awful proportions, in the turret especially. It looks just like a toy rather than a model. Forgeworld's sculpts absolutely put the GW version to shame, and show just how good the design behind the model can be.
Death Guard/nurgle demons - too busy with horrible silhouettes.
A bunch of the Marines lines - SW are really goofy (Santa & Wulfen anyone?), the flyers are terrible, and the new primaris are too clean/non-gothic feeling.
Tau Riptide & Stormsurge etc. - again they do not really fit the army looks.
Catachans.
Scions - I want the Karskin back...
Characters on fiddley bases or with lots of unnessary detail, mainly from a practical transportation point of view.
GK Dreadknight - because duh.
I understand you but of all the models that have been replaced with fancier plastics I think the Scions are among the best but every single sprue I've bought has a giant mold line across it that's annoying as hell!
In terms of design it's basically all things Primaris for me.
What's sad is that all of their vehicles look like copies of the 3rd party copies of GW's original vehicles.
I understand you but of all the models that have been replaced with fancier plastics I think the Scions are among the best but every single sprue I've bought has a giant mold line across it that's annoying as hell!
Strongly disagree, Scions are "fine" but they have zero of the tacticool operative feel of the Kasrkin and even the original Storm Troopers. Scions look like they belong guarding some palace with their silly chestplates. And the leader not being able to take a rifle is boneheaded stupidity.
ccs wrote: I voted DE.
But this is true only because I really really dislike the the original sculpts. To the point where there wasn't enough I'd spend $ on to make a force.
While the current line is improved, the originals still exist & so earn the faction my vote.
Isn't the poll specifying the models currently on sale, though? Pretty much every faction has had some awful sculpts in the past. And the current Drukhari range is fantastic.
I voted IG. I love their vehicles, I love their lore, I love the commissars, I love the fiction about them, but… lord in heaven do they ever need new infantry models. The Steel Legion and Catachans look AWFUL, and they're not even bothering to sell Valhallans, Vostroyans or Mordians anymore. Also, if any Imperial faction is in desperate need of some gender parity in the range, it's the IG. I'm not sure genital configuration is all that important when your main job is just to hold a lasrifle and soak up enemy fire. At least there's Anvil Industries and Victoria Miniatures in the meantime
And the Taurox is, obviously, stupid as all get out. And not the FUN kind of stupid like the Lord of Skulls, Inquisitor Karamazov, or the new Exorcist.
I also really hate a lot of Craftworld stuff, like the guardians, the wraightknight, the hopelessly dated aspect warriors, etc.
Berserkers and Noise Marines also badly need new models.
And as much as I love 90% of the AdMech range, the electro-priests and kataphron are just… bad. Really, really, really bad. Like… skitarii over here SPECIFICALLY putting everything on legs to walk over harsh terrain, but then they put the combat servitors on… big clunky tank-treads??? For some reason??? Are they taking design cues from the Daleks now???
Pretty much the whole primaris range. The intercessors are okay, mostly because they just look like bigger mk IV. But the other ones especially flying ones are just cringe, same with the skull mask scouts. As someone who grew up fond of the first two Dawn of War games (I consider that look and era as the ideal 40k) the primaris are like an abomination to me.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Not a massive fan of most of the Chaos Daemon range in general, but especially the Slaanesh range, they're not my cup of tea.
Not a fan of the majority of the Space Wolf range either, too cartoony.
Lot of hate for Slaanesh demons on this thread. I think that mostly has to do to how awful demonettes look. I don’t think Ive met a single person who likes them. But If you can get past them, I’ve found the rest of range to pretty good. Fiends appear weird, but elegant. Seekers (despite being ridden by demonnettes) are very sleek. The standout IMO are the keeper of secrets. I Just built one yesterday, and she looks incredible. Extremely elegant look, despite clearly conveying a horrible monster vibe. All the new characters look good for the most part. At least IMO
Agree with space wolves distaste though. They just look too silly, even by 40k’s standards
As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
Literally every model with that stupid "Rictus Grin" crap. It doesn't look at all like what you're aiming for, and having grim dour faces fit the tone of the model much better.
Tyranid Horde wrote: Not a massive fan of most of the Chaos Daemon range in general, but especially the Slaanesh range, they're not my cup of tea.
Not a fan of the majority of the Space Wolf range either, too cartoony.
Lot of hate for Slaanesh demons on this thread. I think that mostly has to do to how awful demonettes look. I don’t think Ive met a single person who likes them.
I like 'em!
I think they could be better… like it'd be cool to see more variety in the kit, like some leaning more scary, some leaning more sexy, some looking more female, some looking more male, etc. Like to reflect their mutative and androgynous nature. And yeah, they aren't as cool as the original Ackland designs, but still they're a hell of a lot better, IMO, than the weird noseless porn ones Diaz did. And they're cool anyway!
KingmanHighborn wrote: As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
KingmanHighborn wrote: As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
nataliereed1984 wrote: I voted IG. I love their vehicles, I love their lore, I love the commissars, I love the fiction about them, but… lord in heaven do they ever need new infantry models. The Steel Legion and Catachans look AWFUL, and they're not even bothering to sell Valhallans, Vostroyans or Mordians anymore. Also, if any Imperial faction is in desperate need of some gender parity in the range, it's the IG. I'm not sure genital configuration is all that important when your main job is just to hold a lasrifle and soak up enemy fire. At least there's Anvil Industries and Victoria Miniatures in the meantime
Just to clarify - did you mean the Steel Legion, or did you mean the Cadians, as you've not referenced them at all?
KingmanHighborn wrote: As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
The allure is psychic/pheromone based, not physical. If you play the physical appearance card, you're asserting that every person in the galaxy is into intersex punk rockers, and I'd say that is probably not the case.
KingmanHighborn wrote: As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
The allure is psychic/pheromone based, not physical. If you play the physical appearance card, you're asserting that every person in the galaxy is into intersex punk rockers, and I'd say that is probably not the case.
It's not meant to suggest they *literally* look like intersex vampire dominatrices, it's just a better visual *representation* of their androgynous, shifting, and somewhat disquieting allure then a bunch of boob-demons are. Heck, in the lore, they're each supposed to look different from one another, and also to only shift into a more monstrous appearance once you get close enough for them to start killing you. So yeah, the current daemonettes aren't a 1:1 example of what the things actually look like, but they represent their nature and concept, and of Slaanesh in general, vastly better than the Diaz sculpts did.
Also, IIRC, one of the things that's supposed to be disquieting and uncomfortable about seeing them is that you find them beautiful even if the androgynous, masculine, or feminine aspects (depending on your orientation) aren't what usually attracts you.
nataliereed1984 wrote: I voted IG. I love their vehicles, I love their lore, I love the commissars, I love the fiction about them, but… lord in heaven do they ever need new infantry models. The Steel Legion and Catachans look AWFUL, and they're not even bothering to sell Valhallans, Vostroyans or Mordians anymore. Also, if any Imperial faction is in desperate need of some gender parity in the range, it's the IG. I'm not sure genital configuration is all that important when your main job is just to hold a lasrifle and soak up enemy fire. At least there's Anvil Industries and Victoria Miniatures in the meantime
Just to clarify - did you mean the Steel Legion, or did you mean the Cadians, as you've not referenced them at all?
I meant Steel Legion and Catachans look particularly bad. The Cadians are still pretty bad, but nowhere near as bad as Steel Legion and Catachans.
There are a couple of models I don't like in pretty much any army.
However, I think most of the IG infantry looks outright silly, especially when compared to other human sculpts like Sisters, Inquisitors, Mechanicum, GSC or even pox walkers. While most other modern miniatures look like their artworks, most AM infantry and characters look like cheap action figures from the 80s.
Dysartes wrote: That Tau range - specifically, from the release of the Riptide onwards.
The initial range from 3rd ed was OK, bar some... odd design choices (plastic/metal hybrid Broadsides, anyone?).
They had some interesting background on favouring airpower over EVEN BIGGER BATTLESUITS, which was expanded on in Imperial Armour with the Tiger Shark with big railguns for hunting Knights/Titans. Efficient use of resources with units which can cover multiple theatres makes sense.
What do we get instead the next time they've revisted? The fething Riptide, and multiple EVEN BIGGAH BATTLESUITS since.
Get that anime garbage outta here, FFS...
This. Tau were meant to be mobile combined arms. How far we've fallen from that with armies made up of 3 Riptides, 3 Commanders, token fire warriors/pathfinders and drone swarms.
Voted for Custodes. They are just... egh... ridiculous, even for 40k standard. Too opulent, overdone, busy... Their FW vehicles are good, though.
Honorable Mentions:
IG Tempestus Scions
IG Taurox
IG Ratlings
SM Centurions
SM Aggressors
SM Wulfen
SM Santa Claws
SM Flyers (the majority of them)
AdMech Arehcocopter
AdMech Castellan Robots
AdMech Dragoons
Tau (All big battlesuits due to Gundam/Anime crap, and I dislike walkers in general)
Dysartes wrote: That Tau range - specifically, from the release of the Riptide onwards.
The initial range from 3rd ed was OK, bar some... odd design choices (plastic/metal hybrid Broadsides, anyone?).
They had some interesting background on favouring airpower over EVEN BIGGER BATTLESUITS, which was expanded on in Imperial Armour with the Tiger Shark with big railguns for hunting Knights/Titans. Efficient use of resources with units which can cover multiple theatres makes sense.
What do we get instead the next time they've revisted? The fething Riptide, and multiple EVEN BIGGAH BATTLESUITS since.
Get that anime garbage outta here, FFS...
This. Tau were meant to be mobile combined arms. How far we've fallen from that with armies made up of 3 Riptides, 3 Commanders, token fire warriors/pathfinders and drone swarms.
Ah but wait it gets better! The 4th place the other day at 'Ere We Go Again Ladz! GT was like 12 models of which 3 were Stormsurges... 7 Broadsides. The rest cheapo HQ.
I understand you but of all the models that have been replaced with fancier plastics I think the Scions are among the best but every single sprue I've bought has a giant mold line across it that's annoying as hell!
Strongly disagree, Scions are "fine" but they have zero of the tacticool operative feel of the Kasrkin and even the original Storm Troopers. Scions look like they belong guarding some palace with their silly chestplates. And the leader not being able to take a rifle is boneheaded stupidity.
Oh they look ornate in a grimdark way so I like them but I can totally understand you as I love my old Kasrkin models too. Did you ever take a thunder hammer on your squad leader in a Demonhunters army? /giggle
You should split standard and primaris space marines in the poll. I love standard marines, but my least favourite sculpts of anything 40k are mostly primaris models.
robbienw wrote: You should split standard and primaris space marines in the poll. I love standard marines, but my least favourite sculpts of anything 40k are mostly primaris models.
KingmanHighborn wrote: As I said before. For me the Juan Diaz daemonettes sculpts are the pinnacle of awesomely designed, thematic, beautiful models, that reflect what they are.
The entire Slannesh demon range before and after has been awful though.
And it was probably ruined because of some Timmy's mom and a stern letter. >_>… (note the author of this statement has nothing against Timmy's NOR does he know if this is true or not.)
You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
The allure is psychic/pheromone based, not physical. If you play the physical appearance card, you're asserting that every person in the galaxy is into intersex punk rockers, and I'd say that is probably not the case.
Nor are they into bewbsquid daemons either. The models are their true form and their glamour shows them to be the most alluring thing the viewer wants - for an Ork that might be the reddest most fastest warbike ever, or a vision of him crumping his enemy
I fear I couldn't bring myself to vote for Abaddon in this lineup.
There are certainly a lot of nice details on his model, which I appreciate. However, there are also a few things that really bug me:
- Something about his face rubs me the wrong way. Not sure what exactly, maybe because it vaguely reminds me of someone (can't think who though) or maybe because the excessively-bulky armour just makes the proportions look off.
- I absolutely can't stand his stupid top knot. I don't care if it was in some of his artwork - it looks like he has the entire Tower of Babel growing out of his head. This is probably more just a personal thing because so many DE heads are stuck with top knots and I hate every single one of them.
- Why does he need a trophy rack? If nothing else, can he seriously not afford to just pay someone to carry that crap around for him? I really hate GW's obsession in recent years with taking a perfectly good model and then just bolting more and more crap to it.
Nor are they into bewbsquid daemons either. The models are their true form and their glamour shows them to be the most alluring thing the viewer wants - for an Ork that might be the reddest most fastest warbike ever, or a vision of him crumping his enemy
I figure for orks they'd manifest as the most invitingly brutal, stubborn, well-armed, tough-as-nails enemy to fight with EVER, since fighting is basically the closest ork equivalent of sex.
For me it has to be harlequins. I love them, have an army of them, but when you have 6 basic poses that can't be modified without a lot of conversion work, Fielding more than 10 of and not having a cookie cutter army is hard. I had to do a lot of work to make all the new plastic models not look like clones. But after mixing a dozen and a half of the old metals, it didn't ended up copy pasted. That is basically my biggest gripe with new GW.
But for most nauseous terrible models, the space Marine line. The special characters, santa sleigh, dancing wolves. So much potential wasted on stupid dynamic poses. Or the baby suit or the Terminator baby carrier...yeah space Marines fro sure.
it's a problem with a lotta newer armies TBH, with my Stormcrows I've been lucky and thanks to useing a varity of various older mark helmets have managed to keep my army loking fresh and characterful
nataliereed1984 wrote: You can totally not like the aesthetic but lets be clear - that IS and always has been slannesh's aesthetic.
The diaz models as nice as they were, were a departure from the original design. Hermaphroditic design has always been at the core of slannesh design, not just space bewbs.
I think the current slannesh aesthetic is totally on point for what slannesh is. Not liking it is fine but it means you don't like the slannesh a we aesthetic in general, which is also fine.
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
Well of course I politely disagree and this is about one's 'personal' preferences. But the 'aesthetic' has always been 50/50 sexual drive split with Hellraiser style body horror.
Take a look at this: Does that look hermaphroditic/androgynous ? Or supernaturally alluring? Or even something that could conceivably get you to drop your guard? You know what it looks like? A squad of Tarkatans from Mortal Kombat with crab pincers.
nataliereed1984 wrote:
100% agreed. Daemonettes aren't just "hot girl demons". They, and Slaanesh daemons in general, are supposed to be beautiful AND monstrous, and to incite desire in EVERYONE, not just straight guys. The Diaz designs were completely one-dimensional and totally removed all the complexity and ambiguity and duality of them.
The allure is psychic/pheromone based, not physical. If you play the physical appearance card, you're asserting that every person in the galaxy is into intersex punk rockers, and I'd say that is probably not the case.
It's not meant to suggest they *literally* look like intersex vampire dominatrices, it's just a better visual *representation* of their androgynous, shifting, and somewhat disquieting allure then a bunch of boob-demons are. Heck, in the lore, they're each supposed to look different from one another, and also to only shift into a more monstrous appearance once you get close enough for them to start killing you. So yeah, the current daemonettes aren't a 1:1 example of what the things actually look like, but they represent their nature and concept, and of Slaanesh in general, vastly better than the Diaz sculpts did.
Also, IIRC, one of the things that's supposed to be disquieting and uncomfortable about seeing them is that you find them beautiful even if the androgynous, masculine, or feminine aspects (depending on your orientation) aren't what usually attracts you.
They aren't 'hot girl demons' universally (though they are called daemonettes for a reason.) but they are supposed to have a certain aesthetic of beauty, that can be on some level horrifying as well. Personally to me, the latest generation is a product of focus tested, pg-13 versions of the Diaz sculpts. And the previous generation was absolutely god awful. Of the three eras of models the Diaz sculpts did a far better job at representing what Slaanesh IS, especially at that moment of shifting to subtly slit someone's throat or rip them apart in such a way that while they die in seconds, they perceive it as an agonizing eternity. There's nothing alluring or subtle about giant crab pincers, and the newer sculpts are again super watered down versions of the previous much better quality and lore fitting designs. And even then the new versions, their faces look so blandly 'token evil' the poses don't remind me of dancing, and twirling in close, or playing deadly mind games. It's just back to crab pincers and this time, these skinny emaciated legs, and gravity defying hair (while still looking like they are standing still.)
And as far as the newer line, the Masques are bland, though nothing overly wrong with the one in the over the top jester collar and Xerxes via 300 outfit. (The other masque model is hot garbage.) Then there's a model that's literally just a bland dude with an axe and a daemonette stuck on his back.
About the only model that currently shows off Slaanesh's m.o. is the Infernal Enrapturess and even she's pretty tame in some regards.
Also, kinda forgetting about a few demographics to say Diaz's models would only appeal to one certain orientation.
Personally, I think that the worst thing about the current daemonette models is how they look like they're just plodding along, not leaping about gracefully. Models like the Contorted Epitome got it better. DoK conversions I think make for better daemonettes.
Voted chaos daemons, because alot of their sculpts just miss the mark. They look more like aliens than proper demons, for demons I want straight biblical wackiness, burning wheels with 20 eyes and thirty wings, giants with 11 arms on one side and 10 on the other. I realize I'm probably in the minority on that.
Though I was curious why so many necron votes, I can see voting for/against the old squatty warriors, but the rest of the line seems ok.
Grimgold wrote: Though I was curious why so many necron votes, I can see voting for/against the old squatty warriors, but the rest of the line seems ok.
Some divisive things in Necrons are the barges, arks and monolith off the top of my head. I kinda see why, I want to play Necrons for the Canoptek Wraiths and Triarch Stalker but the "meh-ness" of everything else that isn't troops is holding me back. The flyers look OK though
It just sucks that the two best models Necrons have are completely non-synergistic.
KingmanHighborn wrote: Don't think I'd called them Maxim ideals. But they are a hell of a lot better representation of Slaanesh's allure.
As shocking as it might seem, the human male gaze is, galactically speaking, a very small portion of the sentience that slannesh affects.
As you can't represent universal allure at all (especially with space bewbz), GW have, with the exception of Diaz, modelled the true daemonic form of the daemonettes and left the allure to be implied.
You can see the original description of them from slaves to darkness attached along with a picture of their original design. According to the description they're supposed to elicit loathing with their perverse forms. Seems like they've done just that in this thread, so success!
And for context, this was before the supposed PC conspiracy alluded to by others previously. It's from the 80s and is from a book that actually had a content warning printed on the cover "for mature readers only'. And yet is not pandering at all. If anything, what this shows is that Diaz consciously went against the original design to deliberately pander to the heavy male gaze dominating the hobby, making it the opposite of a PC conspiracy...
Dysartes wrote: That Tau range - specifically, from the release of the Riptide onwards.
The initial range from 3rd ed was OK, bar some... odd design choices (plastic/metal hybrid Broadsides, anyone?).
They had some interesting background on favouring airpower over EVEN BIGGER BATTLESUITS, which was expanded on in Imperial Armour with the Tiger Shark with big railguns for hunting Knights/Titans. Efficient use of resources with units which can cover multiple theatres makes sense.
What do we get instead the next time they've revisted? The fething Riptide, and multiple EVEN BIGGAH BATTLESUITS since.
Get that anime garbage outta here, FFS...
This. Tau were meant to be mobile combined arms. How far we've fallen from that with armies made up of 3 Riptides, 3 Commanders, token fire warriors/pathfinders and drone swarms.
I was trying to put my finger on what i don't like about the tau line, and this comment said it. if this focus on airpower was what they had done id like the Tau even more than i do as a force. this mobile army anchoring itself with giant mechs that don't even seem all that stable to me (then you get into pricing) really puts me off the army. I love the shooting and even to some extent markerlight priotity, i like the drones, i like the infantry models and the smaller battlesuits. but you all nailed it. post riptide i just... straight up don't care for the models on that scale or larger. i MIGHT draw the line at the ghostkeel... but even then, only because it looks more maneuverable.
Is there a list you can even do without the tide and surge that stand okay in the current game? from what ive read, not really...
Like, I definitely agree they should be combined arms, and make that an important and viable way for them to function, not JUST big huge Gunda- uh - "Battlesuits", but… for me, the reason T'au are possibly my least favourite faction* is because they look too…um… I guess too sensible for the setting? For me, a whole lot of the fun and appeal of 40k is how stupid and over-the-top and 80s and maximalist and anachronistic it all is. This big bag of sci-fi tropes, medieval and renaissance history, Catholicism, the Western European literary canon, and post-Tolkien fantasy, stuffed into a giant blender, then satirized by way of 2000 A.D. and Alan Moore, then plugged into an amp stolen from Iron Maiden's bus by a drunken goth, then turned up to 11, then playing a weird 16th century English ballad on it.
T'au is pretty much the only army that don't really fit that vibe… except for stuff like the Riptides and Stormsurges, which feel like taking Japanese mecha and putting them through the blender/satire/amp.
That's just my own take, though. There's lots and lots of different angles from which to enjoy 40k. And I can definitely see the appeal for some people of T'au being "the one sane, reasonable dude with a pragmatic approach to conflict and warfare stuck in a model UN project with a group of bonkers, drunk, metalheads obsessed with Milton".
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* - not really, though. THAT honour is shared between the Grey Knights and Custodes.
For me it's easily Custodes. They are way overdone with the pauldrons and coneheads with topknots and capes, so their silhouette ends up just being a golden blob on the table. The sculptors just didn't know when to quit and it shows.
I wanted to say space marines in general as they have the highest number of ugly models, but as a percentage Custodes wins (or loses) out.
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vipoid wrote: I fear I couldn't bring myself to vote for Abaddon in this lineup.
There are certainly a lot of nice details on his model, which I appreciate. However, there are also a few things that really bug me:
- Something about his face rubs me the wrong way. Not sure what exactly, maybe because it vaguely reminds me of someone (can't think who though) or maybe because the excessively-bulky armour just makes the proportions look off.
- I absolutely can't stand his stupid top knot. I don't care if it was in some of his artwork - it looks like he has the entire Tower of Babel growing out of his head. This is probably more just a personal thing because so many DE heads are stuck with top knots and I hate every single one of them.
- Why does he need a trophy rack? If nothing else, can he seriously not afford to just pay someone to carry that crap around for him? I really hate GW's obsession in recent years with taking a perfectly good model and then just bolting more and more crap to it.
Luckily with new Abaddon you can easily leave off both the trophy rack and the topknot. Really a well done model as there's a lot to work with for customizing it to your taste.
Like, I definitely agree they should be combined arms, and make that an important and viable way for them to function, not JUST big huge Gunda- uh - "Battlesuits", but… for me, the reason T'au are possibly my least favourite faction* is because they look too…um… I guess too sensible for the setting? For me, a whole lot of the fun and appeal of 40k is how stupid and over-the-top and 80s and maximalist and anachronistic it all is. This big bag of sci-fi tropes, medieval and renaissance history, Catholicism, the Western European literary canon, and post-Tolkien fantasy, stuffed into a giant blender, then satirized by way of 2000 A.D. and Alan Moore, then plugged into an amp stolen from Iron Maiden's bus by a drunken goth, then turned up to 11, then playing a weird 16th century English ballad on it.
T'au is pretty much the only army that don't really fit that vibe… except for stuff like the Riptides and Stormsurges, which feel like taking Japanese mecha and putting them through the blender/satire/amp.
That's just my own take, though. There's lots and lots of different angles from which to enjoy 40k. And I can definitely see the appeal for some people of T'au being "the one sane, reasonable dude with a pragmatic approach to conflict and warfare stuck in a model UN project with a group of bonkers, drunk, metalheads obsessed with Milton".
I can see what your getting at, but for me, if everything's a hyped up cocaine fever dream equivalent, then it all blends together, while having pockets of reasonable further point out how insane other elements are, which is more my speed. Over the top just doesn't work for me like it does for others, same for the folks who see a new model and just reply "so 40k" confuses me. speaking of over the top, wheres my artist slaanesh mini's and my dang guitars back? if anything should be said fever dream, it's Slaanesh. we have the enrapturess, but gimme more musical mayhem.
for me, the Tau looking sensible is part of their charm. the way their models look give off this kind of look that fits their nature of being isolated from the galaxy as well, with all that implies. my issue with the riptide and stormsurge is that while missiles for days is fun, an armless giant mech with anchorpoints doesn't read like the way tau actually function to make up for their limited forces but good tech normally as i see it. the Riptide and me... we've just never really gotten along, and personally im not a fan of such sizes of models anyway most of the time. I get they can be cool, but i just don't like things like knights much either. to then find out about the detailing of gundam models that have looks i really like (i favor the mono-eye types like zaku's) and the rates i saw them? made me even colder to them recently. i guess my dislike of most non-infantry models flares up for this one, since i also constantly see it. now i REALLY wish they had made them the airborne faction instead, because i could really get behind that.
it's not the model im most annoyed at in the 40k range. not by a long shot, but it is up there as of now. biggest dislikes still go to marines. also, i get folks not liking custodes... i actually like their look across nearly the whole range, but i don't care for the common colorations, and mechanically... i like to much gun to play them.
Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from and why you feel the way you do about it, Bdrone. It makes sense, just isn't my own sensibility. Just one of those different tastes kind of things!
Thankfully, T'au aren't going anywhere, nor are they gonna make everyone else look like T'au, so we both get to have our cake.
My only complaint about the Custodes models is their feet are kinda big. Other than that they look exactly like what the Emperor's friendly bodyguards should look like. They should be over the top, fancy, and super killy all at once.
HAH! quite true on that one. despite all my other issues, this setting always manages to keep me watching it, as theres something to still at least vaguely interest me due to the scale. I do wonder whats next for the Tau and the GSC in particular at the minute...
thing is, PA is still ongoing, mayhaps they will get something in there. i know im waiting to see how Tau and Orks fair.. though maybe another model for this list will kick in.
Marines get so much produced that the quality varies wildly.
I realized a couple days ago that all the original Blood Angels characters went without updates for at least *twenty three years* up until the new Mephiston a couple weeks ago.
I actually think the Dante model still looks great even by modern standards (I want to have Jes Goodwin's weird raspy-voiced, Disney-villain babies), and that Corbulo is still fine, but 23 years is… well… it's something, alright.
Marines get so much produced that the quality varies wildly.
I realized a couple days ago that all the original Blood Angels characters went without updates for at least *twenty three years* up until the new Mephiston a couple weeks ago.
I actually think the Dante model still looks great even by modern standards (I want to have Jes Goodwin's weird raspy-voiced, Disney-villain babies), and that Corbulo is still fine, but 23 years is… well… it's something, alright.
Yeah I remember when they came out. Tycho was painted in non metal metal gold which was crazy at the time.
Does that look hermaphroditic/androgynous ? Or supernaturally alluring? Or even something that could conceivably get you to drop your guard? You know what it looks like? A squad of Tarkatans from Mortal Kombat with crab pincers.
