Quick math in dollars: GW Contrast is about 43 cents a ML. These Scale75 ones are about 19 cents a ML.
Obviously we don't know exactly how they work compared with each other, but the pictures seem similar, at least. Might be worth checking out, even with shipping to the US, for example, it's still somewhat cheaper than the alternatives. Personally I am very curious about their medium as well.
Many top tier painters seem to prefer Scale75 paints, so I'll give this a look.
I have gotten lots of great results from my citadel contrast paints, so I have lots of reasons to be interested.
The videos I've seen don't show this stuff just flooding areas like Contrast.
Yes, interesting product and im tempted with the big box, but hobby funds are low. Though I have no issue with Contrast flooding anywhere it isn't suposed to be. It never spills into other areas. I even use it to paint geometric shapes on shoulder pads.
Just like with the Wolfenstein board game, I went from mildly interested to not at all when I saw shipping. that's not their fault, but I've gotta wait for retail.
Polonius wrote: Just like with the Wolfenstein board game, I went from mildly interested to not at all when I saw shipping. that's not their fault, but I've gotta wait for retail.
Yeah, the shipping is not cheap. Especially for a giant wooden box. I mean, I'd like all 48 colors, honestly, but I don't want a wooden box, and I want want to pay to have it shipped to me even less.
However, for just some paint sets, the shipping is only a bit over twice as much as Scale75usa charges to ship things. So, it is a premium, but not too much more. That sort of just is the price one has to pay if you want to get them before MM or some other retailer gets them. I don't have a local store, let alone one that stocks Scale75, so my personal options are always very limited.
After having a look, I'll not be backing due to not being able to pick out colors. I understand why they do this, but the savings vs contrast disappears when I have to buy colors I don't want.
Polonius wrote: Just like with the Wolfenstein board game, I went from mildly interested to not at all when I saw shipping. that's not their fault, but I've gotta wait for retail.
Yeah, the shipping is not cheap. Especially for a giant wooden box. I mean, I'd like all 48 colors, honestly, but I don't want a wooden box, and I want want to pay to have it shipped to me even less.
However, for just some paint sets, the shipping is only a bit over twice as much as Scale75usa charges to ship things. So, it is a premium, but not too much more. That sort of just is the price one has to pay if you want to get them before MM or some other retailer gets them. I don't have a local store, let alone one that stocks Scale75, so my personal options are always very limited.
If you order everything in the Spellcaster pledge separately (including the brushes and pallet) it's about the same price as the early bird so basically your getting the box free. Looking at shipping they said all the regular boxes of paint, doesn't include primer, are only 20 euros to ship roughly. So you could do them cheaper.
If in the use and waiting for retail I can't recommend Fantazation Miniatures enough for paints (https://www.fantization.com/) they don't do free shipping usually but they tend to always have some 20-25% off sale every few weeks which will make up for the cost. They also tend to get shipments every 2 weeks from scale directly so the paint is always fresh (but they tend to sell out quick so you might have to wait for the next shipment).
These look interesting, especially given the price difference, although whether that holds up when these are on general sale as individual bottles we'll have to see. I'll be interested to see some direct comparisons(ideally from painters who won't reflexively favour S75s effort due to them not being GW).
Yodhrin wrote: These look interesting, especially given the price difference. I'll be interested to see some direct comparisons(ideally from painters who won't reflexively favour S75s effort due to them not being GW).
Well I'm all in. I probably could post some stuff/impressions when I get them. I love Scale's gel based paints, they click with how I paint I guess, but I also really love Contrast paints. Here's some photos of me using both for some minis. These took me maybe 15-25 minutes a figure.
Monkeysloth wrote: If you order everything in the Spellcaster pledge separately (including the brushes and pallet) it's about the same price as the early bird so basically your getting the box free. Looking at shipping they said all the regular boxes of paint, doesn't include primer, are only 20 euros to ship roughly. So you could do them cheaper.
If in the use and waiting for retail I can't recommend Fantazation Miniatures enough for paints (https://www.fantization.com/) they don't do free shipping usually but they tend to always have some 20-25% off sale every few weeks which will make up for the cost. They also tend to get shipments every 2 weeks from scale directly so the paint is always fresh (but they tend to sell out quick so you might have to wait for the next shipment).
Yeah, the last thing I need are brushes or primer though too. And, good point on Fantazation, I've ordered from them in the past actually, I just usually forget. That being said, I don't think I am going to go in on the Kickstarter, because, even if I did, by the time I got around to a project where I'd actually use them, they likely have been available at retail for ages. I get things done at a literal glacial pace, so even my current project is likely more than a year, plus, away.
That being said, I think I will almost certainly get all 48 of these when they are at retail, plus some of that medium to experiment combining with inks.
I pretty religiously paint five or so models a night, so I go through Contrast soooo quickly. An easier to control counterpart for a third the price sounds ideal!
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ooof, that's a big pass now doing that math on all that....it's pretty expensive, nearly 20$ shipping for US
See, for me, it feels hilarious that you feel that's high shipping, taking into account that the other way around is usually triple that amount.
Not the fact that you feel it's expensive, just the fact that we get shafted so heavily when ordering from the US.
$20 international is not that expensive at all. I would easily understand if a few sets were 40 Euro shipping people complaining. Its 10 Euro for the base pledge and 20 for all the sets. Paint is heavy and it has to be shipped in a way it won't freeze (I had this happen with an order from Scale Color like 5-6 years ago and the paint is unusable if it does) which probably increases the cost too. That's not to say if you don't feel the deal is good enough you should back, everyone has their own line, but the shipping is pretty reasonable for what it is. Spain's shipping costs are also set by the government so there's no competition there either (from what I've been told by Corvus Belli when I ordered something from them).
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ooof, that's a big pass now doing that math on all that....it's pretty expensive, nearly 20$ shipping for US
See, for me, it feels hilarious that you feel that's high shipping, taking into account that the other way around is usually triple that amount.
Not the fact that you feel it's expensive, just the fact that we get shafted so heavily when ordering from the US.
$20 international is not that expensive at all. I would easily understand if a few sets were 40 Euro shipping people complaining. Its 10 Euro for the base pledge and 20 for all the sets. Paint is heavy and it has to be shipped in a way it won't freeze (I had this happen with an order from Scale Color like 5-6 years ago and the paint is unusable if it does) which probably increases the cost too. That's not to say if you don't feel the deal is good enough you should back, everyone has their own line, but the shipping is pretty reasonable for what it is. Spain's shipping costs are also set by the government so there's no competition there either (from what I've been told by Corvus Belli when I ordered something from them).
We in the US subsidize shipping from other countries.its part of why the postal service here is always begging for more money. So in a few years when that’s gone, we will be paying just as much for shipping.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ooof, that's a big pass now doing that math on all that....it's pretty expensive, nearly 20$ shipping for US
See, for me, it feels hilarious that you feel that's high shipping, taking into account that the other way around is usually triple that amount.
Not the fact that you feel it's expensive, just the fact that we get shafted so heavily when ordering from the US.
$20 international is not that expensive at all. I would easily understand if a few sets were 40 Euro shipping people complaining. Its 10 Euro for the base pledge and 20 for all the sets. Paint is heavy and it has to be shipped in a way it won't freeze (I had this happen with an order from Scale Color like 5-6 years ago and the paint is unusable if it does) which probably increases the cost too. That's not to say if you don't feel the deal is good enough you should back, everyone has their own line, but the shipping is pretty reasonable for what it is. Spain's shipping costs are also set by the government so there's no competition there either (from what I've been told by Corvus Belli when I ordered something from them).
We in the US subsidize shipping from other countries.its part of why the postal service here is always begging for more money. So in a few years when that’s gone, we will be paying just as much for shipping.
Didn't know that. I know China does that to keep costs down but first I've heard on the US doing the same.
Well as long as I don't have to pay custom fee's I'm fine with real shipping costs.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Ooof, that's a big pass now doing that math on all that....it's pretty expensive, nearly 20$ shipping for US
See, for me, it feels hilarious that you feel that's high shipping, taking into account that the other way around is usually triple that amount.
Not the fact that you feel it's expensive, just the fact that we get shafted so heavily when ordering from the US.
$20 international is not that expensive at all. I would easily understand if a few sets were 40 Euro shipping people complaining. Its 10 Euro for the base pledge and 20 for all the sets. Paint is heavy and it has to be shipped in a way it won't freeze (I had this happen with an order from Scale Color like 5-6 years ago and the paint is unusable if it does) which probably increases the cost too. That's not to say if you don't feel the deal is good enough you should back, everyone has their own line, but the shipping is pretty reasonable for what it is. Spain's shipping costs are also set by the government so there's no competition there either (from what I've been told by Corvus Belli when I ordered something from them).
We in the US subsidize shipping from other countries.its part of why the postal service here is always begging for more money. So in a few years when that’s gone, we will be paying just as much for shipping.
Didn't know that. I know China does that to keep costs down but first I've heard on the US doing the same.
Well as long as I don't have to pay custom fee's I'm fine with real shipping costs.
There was a great avideo about it, I’ll try and dig it out, but to assist third world countries the us post office cuts the shipping fees for them. China spends a ton of money to retain its third world status for just such a thing. It was to aid these struggling economies develope. That’s why I can order stuff on wish and get it shipped for $0.25 from China and it’s cheaper than gas to the store. E
Anyway, an eight paint set will be about €35 euro shipped ( less than $40). So $5 a paint,cheaper than contrast. I’ve been meaning to try the scale 75 stuff. Hopefully Miniaturemarket will pick these up as well.
These look interesting. I'd been meaning to try Contrast, and also meaning to try Scale75. So I guess the Contrast equivalent by Scale75 should also be on my radar.
I don't think I really want to just order the whole lot of these without knowing if I'll find them useful or not, and the way the sets of 8 are generally grouped by similar tones isn't the most conducive to "I'll just get a few to try them". So I'll probably give these a go once they hit retail.
Looks super interesting, but I'll wait for retail and pick up a load.
For me contrasts were a turn off due to price and difficult control. These appear to solve both, so I'm all in for an improved version of these type of paints.
VBS wrote: Looks super interesting, but I'll wait for retail and pick up a load.
For me contrasts were a turn off due to price and difficult control. These appear to solve both, so I'm all in for an improved version of these type of paints.
I have to wonder though - that last pic - they have a step 1, 2, 3 - where is 4 & 5? Surely 4 & 5 is the money-shot? Why no 4 & 5? I'm dubious tbh.
Backed at spellcaster (Big wooden box) level. I like contrasts, though I don't use them all that much, and having all the paints will help vary my colour schemes a bit. My only experience with S75 so far have been their metallics, but they are *excellent*
It was only a matter of time before other companies came out with their own Contrast alternatives. These look interesting, but possibly a little blotchier than Contrast... some of those samples look ok, some just look messy.
I'd be curious to try them out, and would happily throw in for a paint set, but I'm struggling with the colour mixes they've gone with. Because they've tried to theme them around limited pallets, you wind up with a lot of similar colours, (the 'Healing Potion' set has four different shades of red, which is completely unnecessary for this style of painting) and missing other useful colours.
A single 'general' set with all of the primary colours and a brown and black would have been nice... As it is, to give these a proper go, it looks like it would be necessary to buy at least two different sets to get a decent spread of colours.
Yeah, I'm interested but not in those set breakdowns and not at that price with all of the extra gubbins I don't want or need. I'll wait for retail at one of my UK sources and then just get a bunch of them a la carte with free shipping.
One of the things to remember with these type of paints is it's not just how they look over a single colored base coat of white but how they interact with other colors.
For example the skeletons I posted on the first page were done by using a makeup brush to do a zenithal highlight of sorts in gray scale (I actually do this for all my minis) and then the yellow contrast paint looked green in the black areas and yellow in the white with shifting of colors/contrast between the two This gives you lot more depth and finished look to the quick contrast paint method. The different shades of red will all interact with different bases and their expecting that by selling different primer temperatures for different results.
Contrast paints are basically washes with more ink/pigment in them (a lot more) and can be used similar to an airbrush candy or tint but with a brush. If you've ever seen a deepwars or Shadowsea paint job most likely it was done with custom made "contrast" paints as the technique isn't new. GW was just the first to really productize it.
insaniak wrote: A single 'general' set with all of the primary colours and a brown and black would have been nice... As it is, to give these a proper go, it looks like it would be necessary to buy at least two different sets to get a decent spread of colours.
If they had done a custom choice paint set, then I would have jumped in on it without a second thought. As the scale colour range had me hooked as soon as I used them. But as you say, the set's they've gone with are a little restrictive and unnecessary.
Well they'll make it to retail, so i'll just wait for them to hit stores.
I've just been using colored primers followed by Army Painter wash, then conventional painting mostly for faces.
Miniature on left was painted as a red colored primer followed by AP red ink wash. Right was grey colored primer, purple wash, then conventional painting.
Monkeysloth wrote: Didn't know that. I know China does that to keep costs down but first I've heard on the US doing the same.
Well as long as I don't have to pay custom fee's I'm fine with real shipping costs.
Oh you have to pay that too, or at least we do. Which at the very least is VAT (21% regular, 4% for books and such) plus a "handling fee" that might range anywhere from 10 to 50 euros.
One thing to recall for people asking for custom orders of colors is that Scale75 has done that before - and it was major drag on the campaign having to pick and ship hundreds of orders of individual colors to backers. So that’s why no option. Best wait for retail if there are only some very specific colors you want.
Monkeysloth wrote: Didn't know that. I know China does that to keep costs down but first I've heard on the US doing the same.
Well as long as I don't have to pay custom fee's I'm fine with real shipping costs.
Oh you have to pay that too, or at least we do. Which at the very least is VAT (21% regular, 4% for books and such) plus a "handling fee" that might range anywhere from 10 to 50 euros.
The US has no custom fees/taxes for non commercial purchases and being non-european I can get the VAT removed from my order and even when I've traveled in Europe I've been able to fill out forms to get the vat from purchases returned (though the country really depends on how easy that was/is. Ireland or the UK, pretty simple. France--like having a tooth pulled). That might change at some point as there are some politicians that want to move to more of a VAT/Flat Tax here in the States which probably would add something similar. Really don't know what things will be like in a few years as the dust settles from Covid-19.
I’ll be picking up a load of these once they hit retail,I’m a fan of Scale75 and have faith that they will deliver a great product. It’s just a shame that they don’t allow you to choose your own paints in the KS (and really, who wants to pay for a wooden box?). The KS is also damaged by high Spanish shipping.
ced1106 wrote: I've just been using colored primers followed by Army Painter wash, then conventional painting mostly for faces.
Miniature on left was painted as a red colored primer followed by AP red ink wash. Right was grey colored primer, purple wash, then conventional painting.
I'm probably going to go in at the Wizard level. The 16 paints in that set seem like a useful mix that would help my struggle against the unpainted hordes hiding in the closet. Even when shipping is added it's still about $30 cheaper than buying 16 contrast paints from GW.
Found a local willing to split shipping, so I'll probably get 2-3 sets that don't overlap much with my Contrast collection from KS and then fill in the gaps at retail.
totalfailure wrote: One thing to recall for people asking for custom orders of colors is that Scale75 has done that before - and it was major drag on the campaign having to pick and ship hundreds of orders of individual colors to backers. So that’s why no option. Best wait for retail if there are only some very specific colors you want.
To be clear, I wasn't asking for individual colours, but I think they missed a bet with their choices. I'd grab the top row of 8 paints shown on the Wizard pledge in an instant, as they're a really good mix. But 16 colours is too many to test out a range, and the bottom 8 colours are unnecessary duplication. I'm also not interested in any of the other stuff with that pledge. The smaller boxes are themed, rather than offering a mix.
They've offered a great Kickstarter for people who are already comfortable enough with their brand to just buy these and go, but for those just wanting to test the waters this offers nothing useful without putting in an awful lot of money.
I don't think Scale75 has ever offered a mix or starter set in any of their color ranges. The only thing that would be close is the Scale Color learn to paint to set that came with a mini. Otherwise, it has always been themed to something like shades of the same color, or all metallics, etc.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I know you mean well Ced, but what does this post have to do with this thread?
Well, Instant Colors is sold as a fast way to paint mini's, and I figured I'd post another fast way. Colored primers are cheaper per ounce, since they're sold in larger bottles.
I guess I'll wait, like others, for a retail starter set, if it ever goes on sale. If you're going after non-display painters who want something painted fast, don't expect them to buy several entire ranges of colors, especially when they don't know when to use one red vs. another. $30 for a set is a steep price for six bottles (vs. ten in an Army Painter paint set), for non-display painters who are entering the hobby through cheaper boardgame plastic or Reaper Bones.
Undead_Love-Machine wrote: I know you mean well Ced, but what does this post have to do with this thread?
Well, Instant Colors is sold as a fast way to paint mini's, and I figured I'd post another fast way. Colored primers are cheaper per ounce, since they're sold in larger bottles.
I guess I'll wait, like others, for a retail starter set, if it ever goes on sale. If you're going after non-display painters who want something painted fast, don't expect them to buy several entire ranges of colors, especially when they don't know when to use one red vs. another. $30 for a set is a steep price for six bottles (vs. ten in an Army Painter paint set), for non-display painters who are entering the hobby through cheaper boardgame plastic or Reaper Bones.
EDIT: 8 bottles? Good to know.
Inks over paint without any additional layers cause flares. I would presume Instant Colors don`t do that, nor they require more than 1 layer for the result.
Basicly this is like a GW Contrast take on the paints, right? I`m not sure I could use them outside particular details. The examples shown in the ad are not too impressive, the paint kinda clumps up on big surfaces, which makes the paintjonb look untidy..
Although the unpainted goblin horde, that judges me every day, might want to get the Instant Color treatment.
These quick paintjob hacks tend to only work on certain times of minis
Contrast, Dip, washes over white, Instant color all work better on things with folds, creases, organic things where it can't pool up on large flat surfaces.
They have their place and I use them all, but they totally are bad for certain models.
Mine just shipped. probably won't have them for a week but pretty excited as I like Scale Colors' color selection better then GWs and Contrast Paints are just so dang useful.
That might be a little optimistic, based on some past experiences I’ve had with Scale75 packages. Also, going through customs in NY when it gets here has been a crap shoot. I’ve had stuff from Europe go right through, while other packages from the same vendor even have languished in customs for weeks before moving again. Good luck.
totalfailure wrote: That might be a little optimistic, based on some past experiences I’ve had with Scale75 packages. Also, going through customs in NY when it gets here has been a crap shoot. I’ve had stuff from Europe go right through, while other packages from the same vendor even have languished in customs for weeks before moving again. Good luck.
I've had odd custom delays too though my packages from Europe generally land in Indiana as I'm more West Coast and rarely though NY/NJ.
totalfailure wrote: That might be a little optimistic, based on some past experiences I’ve had with Scale75 packages. Also, going through customs in NY when it gets here has been a crap shoot. I’ve had stuff from Europe go right through, while other packages from the same vendor even have languished in customs for weeks before moving again. Good luck.
I've had odd custom delays too though my packages from Europe generally land in Indiana as I'm more West Coast and rarely though NY/NJ.
Welp, my order went through NY/NJ and was stuck there for almost 3 weeks. Only got it today. The wooden box they came in was slightly damaged, basically some of the staples used pulled loose from a panel. Didn't look like they used much adhesive if any. Some woodglue and pushing the staples back into their holes fixed it pretty quick.
I've got some boars and Brahmin primed and I should have plenty of time tomorrow to get some of them painted with these.
Mine arrived at NYC customs 10/16, and has not moved since. Other people’s stuff arrived later, went through customs, and was delivered long ago already while my and others stuff continues to sit there.
So I've been playing around with these for a bit tonight and they're much less intense then Contrast paints. I was expecting this to some degree based off of the samples they've shown but they're really kind of more of a wash+ or premade glaze then an equivalent for contrast paints. It takes 2-4 coats to = one contrast. While that's not bad in general they really don't perform the same as I'd say contrast are closer to stains were in brief contact applies some color. These really don't do that.
I think you'll want to use these like a glaze or a tint to get the most use out of them. Not sad I bought them, as I like the color range and I'm sure I'll get these working in my paint process and there's a lot of the set I haven't tried yet. But a bit disappointed I cannot replace Contrast Paints with them as it means I still have to buy multiple paint lines.
The brahmin below are mostly Instant Colors with a slight dry brush of flesh paint over them for the skin. The horns are GW sepia wash. Overall not bad but several coats for the skin (3). The fur/hair was a lighter yellow Instant Color then covered with a brown Instant color. Oddly enough the brighter yellow was a stronger pigment then the brown.
Looking over the bases pic posted by Monkey, i can't help but feel like these paints are a bit "washed out". A lot more pastel rather than vibrant colours.
I think contrast will win out over these for "ease and speed" of painting, but i'd be happy to be proven wrong as time goes by and more people get to test them.
Kdash wrote: Looking over the bases pic posted by Monkey, i can't help but feel like these paints are a bit "washed out". A lot more pastel rather than vibrant colours.
I think contrast will win out over these for "ease and speed" of painting, but i'd be happy to be proven wrong as time goes by and more people get to test them.
There's nothing surprising about them not being as vibrant. They showed off plenty of samples.
I've only used maybe 10 total paints from the line. Some are much better then others but I'll add a cavate that I'm choosing duller colors atm as I'm panting for fallout so that may skew my initial findings. I think there's more intense ones but nothing like warp green--but again that wasn't something ScaleColor was hiding.
I think as far as ease they're the same as contrast, just put them down. Speed, well that will depend on what look you want. At the very worst it will probably be an average of two layers down. My results are also probably skewed as I do a gray scale base where the recesses are black and gets lighter as you go out into detail. contrast paints work very well with that method, these really aren't. If you used pure white, or one of their off white primers, results might be much better.
I will say they're much more forgiving then contrast paints and another set of models I've started painting I've found that using these to add depth to areas work very well. Again, more like washes. I did leave some out for a bit in a welled pallet and, since I live in an area of low humidity, was able to get something much stronger after only maybe 20-30 min. But that's not really an ideal selling pitch.
Sure looks interesting, I like the more pastel approach similar to painting only with washes. Might be what I'm looking for as the lack of control and vibrancy of Contrasts is a big no for me.
Orlanth wrote: Got notice back from Scale 75, they are not permitting a way in to late back at this time.
Ya. The project is almost fulfilled and they're going to be going to retail pretty soon after that.
Finished a few more things. Two boars from Wreck Age. These look better then the cows, I just don't think skintones/light orange/reds work well even in contrast paints, and are mostly Instant Colors. There's some dry brushing on the leathers but the colors I used weren't the right contrast (they're what I use for snakebite leather contrast) so I need to play around with a few more browns and some highlights for the leathers. Also, like the cows, horns and stuff are sepia wash.
I think the blue turned out quite well, the water orb was one coat and conveys the effect quite nicely but this blue is one of the more vibrant ones in the line. Everything except the brown fur was one coat too. Maybe the Beastial Brown is just weaker, look at the front most leg on the second board to see how one coat looks, then the others as it was an issue with the brahman as well.
And a quick append so I can have text between attachments. Here's a photo of one of the Instant Color Bhramin, right, and a mole rat I did with Contrast paints.
The Bramin was about 3 coats and two colors actually (used a darker colors for some of the recessed areas) and the mole rat was one coat of whatever the monster/daemon flesh is called. Both have a regular flesh coat drybrushed on them but the mole rat has two. I didn't feel the second was needed for the Bramin as the color I was using really didn't highlight too much.
The contrast tints the blacks better for sure. The Instant Colors needed extra coats and more covered the darker areas due to the extra layers as opposed to the tint. You can also see one of my gray scale base coats in the background. With fur you don't get a lot of variance generally.
Thanks for the pics! Mine shipped on the 20th, so hoping it makes it way to me soon.
I like that they're lighter/paler than contrast, which I've taken to watering down with the medium. More tools for different niches or color schemes.
How do they work after applied to the model? With contrast (for me at least) there's only a small window to basically push the goo around before it reaches the point of no return and you're hosed with any pooling that has started.
How do they work after applied to the model? With contrast (for me at least) there's only a small window to basically push the goo around before it reaches the point of no return and you're hosed with any pooling that has started.
They're much more forgiving as I've said. Many don't instantly stain so you can easily work most of it out. You lave less time then a wash but it's way more then contrast. I have a feeling though that this will really be on a color by color basis. For example the brown used for the leather and the deep yellow on top of the second boar are quite strong and may not let you remove the color once laid down.
Update: Used a few more colors and even some of the stronger ones still were mostly removeable 30 seconds or so after putting the paint down. I found using a paper towel or cotton swab works much better then a brush.
So I think I kind of figured out some ways to use these paints that I'm not sure contrast paints would replicate as well due to how they stain so quickly causing the highest peaks to be pretty strong colored. I bought the full spellcaster box with everything so I have the acrylic thinner (I think it's probably just regular acrylic medium) and so I decided to test out how thinning these down would go. I painted all the areas I wanted darkest with pure Insta Color Rage Brown (purple brown basically) then I did equal parts medium and Rage brown and cover the rest of the fur and let it sit for about 5 or so min to dry.
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Then I took Ogre Brown straight from the pot, removed maybe half of what was on the brush so it didn't run, and painted it where I wanted the highlights and wow. It really covered well and built up over the bottom layer in a way I didn't expect. Since the shadow areas were still wet due to them being more recesses and pooling due to gravity I also was able to wet blend some transition areas and I think it looks great for maybe 10-12 min of work including drying times. I don't have the best camera setup and the lighting is a bit strong but this helps see how the coverage is. One of those much better in person things.
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Lastly I did a second boar to see if I could replicate the effect as well as I watered down the highlight layer with one part water as well. It looks pretty good too. Maybe better then the first one I did. Doing this one out of spoiler as I think it looks pretty good and not everyone clicks those. Maybe once I get these done I can set up the light box and get a better camera for people but this is a very interesting way to paint as I've found contrast to work best going from brightest down to darkest (shrinking coverage area) in paint order works best but this is the opposite color wise but still using targeted coverage for the second layer. I'll have to try more things and textures as maybe I just got lucky with my color choices and the deep fur textures on these models.
I finally got let out of Customs jail a few days ago, and the package turned over to USPS. I live about four hours away from NYC. Instead of delivering my package finally, the goombas at the USPS sent it 1000 miles away to South Carolina, where it has sat for two days now. This is beyond ridiculous now.
I had an order once via amazon prime that did a full circle around the the country at least twice before arriving at my house. That was an amusing week an a half seeing where it arrived next.
Speaking about Scale75 and their Kickstarter for paints, they've launched a new KS project for a 10-volume set of painting guides. Any thoughts on that? Anybody have any first hand experience with any of their painting information? I do have many of their paints, so I was just curious.
The only book of theirs I've seen is their Easy Painting Process book which is just higher resolution photos of the included inserts with the paint sets.
From the samples given this looks much more detailed.
It's on the move again! To where the gods only know...
Meanwhile, on Scale75 books, the newer ones are much better. Easy Painting Processes was indeed just a compilation of paint set advice with a few additions; not that great. Steampunk and Painting Busts books were both much more comprehensive and useful; all original material.
The Kickstarter page now has some sample pages of what will be in the Minipedias, and a look at their tables of contents posted as well.
Last update I'll probably post here on these paints as I think I've given some good examples of what things look like painted by them. Overall my impression has changed a lot after the first day. I don't think the colors I used were the best representation of what you can do with these and think they'll get a lot of use at my table (except Wild Beast which just doesn't seam to have much pigment at all).
I finished up the boars tonight in probably another 30 but that was also included drying times for the washes. I added in some green to some of the shaded areas for some more color depth and then did a second thin coat of Ogre Brown on the fur highlights which intensified them.
I also did the skin with Insta Colors. The flesh colors are not very strong so I couldn't really use them as a tint for what I wanted the final effect to look like so I started with human flesh then once that was dry did a wash of Love Affair. This is a pretty strong color so I needed to add 4 to 1 thinner to it for it to work as a wash. I then did a light drybrush of a flesh tone.
As other things the tusks, hooves and tusks are Sepia Wash with a drybrush over them of an off white.
ced1106 wrote: Great job. Still, looks like you did a lot of work with the paints.
I do about the same amount of effort with contrast paints so I really didn't go out of my way to make these look decent. I don't really consider 20-30 minutes for a figure this large that much of an investment as if you were doing lots of similar things these wouldn't need as much of the drying time (so being closer to 10-15min) and those extra few minutes to add a quick dry brush or a 3rd color are worth the effort to me. But the pack boars on the previous page are mostly just one coat of Insta Color outside of the leather where Snakebite is a better option so I'll end up probably mixing the two lines.
Here's my own experimenting attempts using some various criminal models from the Gotham City Chronicles board game. - It's worth highlighting these are board game minis.
First layers
And the Finish
I had a few observations from my experiments.
Overall, this is like, as many models I've painted in the past 3 weeks as I have in the past 3 years. It is THAT much quicker...
Everything was Scale75 instant paints except:
Wristbands on shotgunners, and parts of the shotgun.
Crowbars
Chains
The Bases (BIG comment here, the bases do NOT play nicely with instant paints. Too flat, but you could use an instant to go over the cracks).
Other Thoughts:
Grey (Ice Charm) undercoat for main bodies.
White (Holy Charm) undercoat for skin (You can see the difference there on the 2 red chain guys, one was grey, one was white)
Yellow-ish (Bone charm) undercoat seems rather iffy, it might only be good for literally doing bone.
Big flat areas are not ideal (Ideally I would have used normal paints on the shoes)
Light colour first. Then second deeper colour, with added acrylic medium. Paint as if a wash, that's really all you need. 1 layer each of 2 colours on the clothes.
If you mess up, depending on the colour, you might want to re-undercoat parts again, so plan out how you're going to paint the models carefully.
I have no idea what I was doing with the heads of the shotgun guys, I was trying a mask look. It was not.... successful. That is totally a commentary on me, not the paints.
I think those turned out pretty well. Seeing the skin wash on them makes me think a quick flesh wash from Privateer would work quite well. Something I'll see about trying once I get some time.
There is some hope out there - after over three weeks in limbo while in customs jail, my order was finally turned over to the USPS. Who promptly sent it on a 1000 mile trip in the wrong direction. The order has finally arrived to me. Same problems many have reported - the box latch was broken, the box roughed up, and stuff scattered everywhere inside. I guess I have it now, and maybe will get to use some soon.
Final word is that Spanish Post lost my €200 package and Scale75 can't even file a claim for another month. This after they charged so much for shipping that they could have used a next day delivery courier and still had half left over.
lord_blackfang wrote: Final word is that Spanish Post lost my €200 package and Scale75 can't even file a claim for another month. This after they charged so much for shipping that they could have used a next day delivery courier and still had half left over.
Dang man, I'm really sorry to hear that. Hopefully they can get everything sorted and it is just a matter of getting your package late rather than never.
lord_blackfang wrote: Final word is that Spanish Post lost my €200 package and Scale75 can't even file a claim for another month. This after they charged so much for shipping that they could have used a next day delivery courier and still had half left over.
Dang man, I'm really sorry to hear that. Hopefully they can get everything sorted and it is just a matter of getting your package late rather than never.
That does suck. Also, from what I've been told from people in Spain, couriers cannot charge less then the Spanish Post by law so they probably didn't have much options.
lord_blackfang wrote: Final word is that Spanish Post lost my €200 package and Scale75 can't even file a claim for another month. This after they charged so much for shipping that they could have used a next day delivery courier and still had half left over.
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gak, sorry man. Mine has been in shipment since October 24, so I'm guessing I'm in the same boat :(
lord_blackfang wrote: Final word is that Spanish Post lost my €200 package and Scale75 can't even file a claim for another month. This after they charged so much for shipping that they could have used a next day delivery courier and still had half left over.
Dang man, I'm really sorry to hear that. Hopefully they can get everything sorted and it is just a matter of getting your package late rather than never.
That does suck. Also, from what I've been told from people in Spain, couriers cannot charge less then the Spanish Post by law so they probably didn't have much options.
It is an actual law, yes.
That said, this is their problem, not yours. If they can't find your shipment they should have just sent another.
They really shouldn't have to wait a month to send you a replacement if Spanish Post lost it. Either they'll get the package back or reimbursed so they should just send a new one.
