Warhammer Community Roundup. They have videos there that I don't have here. Hope you all enjoyed!

First reveal has happened:
Horus Heresy Book Nine: Crusade!
Preordering on September 4th.


Reveal two:
House Of Iron!

sidenote: I think I'll be ordering these. Cyberdogs and saboteurs?! Hell yeah!

Reveal three:
Hexmark Destroyer
The Phase-Shiftin' Planesdrifter!



Reveal three subset 1:
Crusade Beyond the Veil book--rules for fighting in the Pariah Nexus
Matched Play Tactical Deployment


Reveal three subset 2:
TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN!


Reveal four:
WARCRY: CATACOMBS!

Reveal five:
Warhammer Underworlds: Direchasm

Lumineth vs Slaanesh, woo!

Also a teaser for the most requested warband...


Reveal six:
Shadow and Pain Battlebox coming in November!
New Melusai Ironscale hero and Lord of Pain hero for Hedonites of Slaanesh


Reveal six, subsection 1:
New series of narrative books for AoS called "Broken Realms"! I'm excited for this to be honest.

Personal favorite artpiece:

Looking forward to this as its the first proper big new preview that we are getting this year. We've not really got much idea what we'll see though I'd wager we might see an expansion of those new hinted units in that montage for 40K that was shown a week or two back. WE might get some dates on upcoming stuff for Marines and Necrons, but I'd wager there isn't much more to be shown there (there's at least one more necron option which might be a construction variation on the new tri-legged destroyers) and GW doesn't need to push that angle until October when they are releasing the new books.

I'd wager this Preview might have some additional Luminoth/Giants info and perhaps even a hint at what is coming after for them. At and AN are also both ripe for some new hints and releases and I'd love to see more Xenos in the latter and perhaps some chaos or xenos in the former.

'Shadow' could refer to the Realm of Ulgu in Age of Sigmar. Maybe we'll finally get a hint as to what Malerion has been up to.

40k fans should keep their expectations down

While there is some Warhammer 40,000 in there, this is a chance to see the upcoming awesomeness for many of our other Warhammer settings.

Realms is generally a term applied to AOS more than 40k - this feels more like a preview for the games from that side of the fence.

I hope they put an article out this week covering which games will have reveals, if only to set expectations appropriately.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
40k fans should keep their expectations down

While there is some Warhammer 40,000 in there, this is a chance to see the upcoming awesomeness for many of our other Warhammer settings.

Would it have killed them to have put that in the WHC article, rather than just the video?

*old man grumble*

To be fair we know what 40K is getting mostly up to October - Marines and Necrons. GW likely doesn't have all that much else to talk about until those two big releases are out of the door.

 Ghaz wrote:
'Shadow' could refer to the Realm of Ulgu in Age of Sigmar. Maybe we'll finally get a hint as to what Malerion has been up to.

I reckon it’s the DoK Warcry warband that we’ve seen some but not all of.

Looks like the pace is picking back up

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Shadow' could refer to the Realm of Ulgu in Age of Sigmar. Maybe we'll finally get a hint as to what Malerion has been up to.

I reckon it’s the DoK Warcry warband that we’ve seen some but not all of.

That's part of a whole new range of stuff from what they hinted at...I'm thinking that "Broken Realms" might be the reference to that. There's quite a few rumor engines that match up Realm-specific stuff.

Also Dysartes, I've got your back. It's in the OP now.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Shadow' could refer to the Realm of Ulgu in Age of Sigmar. Maybe we'll finally get a hint as to what Malerion has been up to.

I reckon it’s the DoK Warcry warband that we’ve seen some but not all of.

It could be, but if the Khainite Shadowstalkers is all that it is it will be a major letdown.

 Ghaz wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
'Shadow' could refer to the Realm of Ulgu in Age of Sigmar. Maybe we'll finally get a hint as to what Malerion has been up to.

I reckon it’s the DoK Warcry warband that we’ve seen some but not all of.

It could be, but if the Khainite Shadowstalkers is all that it is it will be a major letdown.

I don’t see there being a new army reveal, especially one that major (I.e. whole new range), when there’s still 1 and a half factions yet to be released for AoS, and I dunno how likely it is for more aelves to come so soon after the Lumineth. I’d love to be wrong but I’m not getting my hopes up for it.

I didn't say anything about a full reveal, just a 'hint' (i.e., a thirty second teaser trailer).

 ImAGeek wrote:

I don’t see there being a new army reveal, especially one that major (I.e. whole new range), when there’s still 1 and a half factions yet to be released for AoS, and I dunno how likely it is for more aelves to come so soon after the Lumineth. I’d love to be wrong but I’m not getting my hopes up for it.

Just wanna throw this out there, but Lumineth were supposed to be out with their range finished by now. The army pack that came out in June? The points were "up to date" as of April 2020, per the book in there.

Said book also features some Malerion stuff that's kinda important in there.

We’ll see. I don’t see it personally and I’m not getting too excited, but like I said, I don’t mind being wrong on this one.

Nice one, Kan.

So for the 40k side of things, we might see one or two unit previews to come with the SM/Necron books - maybe that mystery Necron model from the preview image - and possibly confirmation of the first 'dex after that pair. If we're lucky, we might get the full reveal on the other previewed characters from the same video clip as the Palantine.

Have we been shown new models for the Giant faction for AoS? If not, I imagine we'll see some of them, and either way, I'd suspect we'll get a better handle on when they're due out.

A new faction or two for WarCry seems reasonable - maybe an official announcement of what the next "season" of Underworlds will be called?

I wouldn't rule out more info/previews for the new edition of Blood Bowl.

 Dysartes wrote:
Nice one, Kan.

So for the 40k side of things, we might see one or two unit previews to come with the SM/Necron books - maybe that mystery Necron model from the preview image - and possibly confirmation of the first 'dex after that pair. If we're lucky, we might get the full reveal on the other previewed characters from the same video clip as the Palantine.

Have we been shown new models for the Giant faction for AoS? If not, I imagine we'll see some of them, and either way, I'd suspect we'll get a better handle on when they're due out.

A new faction or two for WarCry seems reasonable - maybe an official announcement of what the next "season" of Underworlds will be called?

I wouldn't rule out more info/previews for the new edition of Blood Bowl.

We’ve seen the new Giants, yeah. Seems to be just the one kit for them (their points were in GHB, and it was just the three variants in that kit and the current Gargant model).

We've seen the new giant model kit for the giant faction, but thus far only seen one kit. We know its a smaller than normal army (each of the new giants is something like 500 points or there abouts) so I think its more that we are still waiting for that army to come out rather than expecting to see more for it. It's basically AoS's version of the "Knights" armies.

 Overread wrote:
Looking forward to this as its the first proper big new preview that we are getting this year.

Uhh... no. We've had several major ones this year. Granted they were cut up a bit and staggered, but the series of previews back in March/April happened.
Also a bunch of minor ones- the indomitus box, the 'beyond the box' preview, etc

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/28/the-first-ever-warhammer-preview-onlinegw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-1/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/03/the-warhammer-preview-online-2-how-to-join-in/
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/04/18/warhammer-preview-3-revenge-of-the-previewgw-homepage-post-1fw-homepage-post-1/

When 'Revenge of the Preview' is being used as a tagline, they're obviously not short in supply.

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Did you think that we’d already previewed everything?

Very odd rhetorical, since beyond just general new releases happening, we've got fuzzy pics of several things, and rumour engine pics of a bunch more.

Voss but most of those previews we had a rough idea what was coming. This one we really don't have any clue what could be around the corner save for the vague references that GW put up for the preview today. Otherwise we don't really have much of a road plan for anything.

Worth mentioning Voss that the previews you're referring to were what would have been for one event(AdeptiCon) back in March.


Personal speculation:
"Shadow" is referring to our new setting for Underworlds and a teaser of Malerion's crew from that.
"Iron" is a Newcromunda reference. Next gang after Eschers was slated to be Orlock, who are the "House of Iron".
"Broken Realms" is WarCry and AoS proper.

This preview coincides with the UK Games Expo Online. At that preview last year we got a Necromunda gang, a Blood Bowl team, a Warcry warband, and a Blackstone Fortress expansion. So something similar is likely.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/05/31/revealed-at-the-uk-games-expo-2019gw-homepage-post-1/

We still have yet to see the full Shadow Aelf warband. Hoping the 40k reveal isn't anything for the Space Marine/Necron waves coming, but instead shows off another of those new HQ models. Ideally the ork or ad mech one, but Lelith wouldn't be the worst thing

Semi thought on those hq models: what if they are going to use the 5 shown as army box character with a wider release later? Death guard, admech, orks, sisters and dark eldar would make a good mix for this year's holiday megaforces.

The holiday boxes generally don't have new characters though.

The chaos one was actually a little weird for having new stuff at all.

The Vengeance Warband was full of stuff that had already been in the Apocalypse bundle too.

Remember that enough time had passed from that initial Shadowspear drop for them to have Vanguard and Daemonkin Start Collecting sets out alongside the Holiday Bundles.

Could be anything, but would be nice to have something to look forward to for either Kill Team or Adeptus Titanicus.

Kill team 2.0 to bring it more inline with 9th?

Either/Or wrote:
Kill team 2.0 to bring it more inline with 9th?

To be honest, Kill Team doesn't feel like it needs a new edition whereas 40K was screaming out for one. Saying that, Commanders did upset the balance so that might warrant a revision...

I would say they'll talk about the new season of Blood Bowl, but then the Spike! magazine for snotlings is for pre-order next week - would be bad to talk about it then, even if the leaks did already spoil everything anyway (and no, it's not GW who leaked the whole rulebook).

Anyone have any idea of how far in advance they tease the next season of Underworlds? Wouldnt object to getting a peak at what season 4 holds.

Personally, i'm hoping for a glimpse at the 4th quarter orlock gang release.

 ingtaer wrote:
Anyone have any idea of how far in advance they tease the next season of Underworlds? Wouldnt object to getting a peak at what season 4 holds.

I don't think we've really had a hard and fast rule on these kinds of things. I think it just happens.

We do have a roadmap for Warhammer Underworlds and December is supposed to be 'the next thing', so five months or so wouldn't be out of whack.

 ingtaer wrote:
Anyone have any idea of how far in advance they tease the next season of Underworlds? Wouldnt object to getting a peak at what season 4 holds.

As a tournament game, I'd not put too much hope in anything too soon whilst the world is in flux. At least 6-9 months before things start going back to normal for the most part.

 Marshal Loss wrote:
40k fans should keep their expectations down

While there is some Warhammer 40,000 in there, this is a chance to see the upcoming awesomeness for many of our other Warhammer settings.

I have but one request for 40k: Show us the New. Forge World. BOOKS!

I wish I cared more about the preview, but I feel kinda burned out waiting forever for the scions of the flame release for warcry

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I have but one request for 40k: Show us the New. Forge World. BOOKS!

Doubt we'll hear a word about them 'til after the Marine 'Dex is out.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:
I have but one request for 40k: Show us the New. Forge World. BOOKS!

Doubt we'll hear a word about them 'til after the Marine 'Dex is out.

Yeah, I know, but I have to say it everytime there's a new preview. It's a Pavlovian thing.

 Tastyfish wrote:

 ingtaer wrote:
Anyone have any idea of how far in advance they tease the next season of Underworlds? Wouldnt object to getting a peak at what season 4 holds.

As a tournament game, I'd not put too much hope in anything too soon whilst the world is in flux. At least 6-9 months before things start going back to normal for the most part.

Season 4 starts in December. They did a roadmap for the game a few weeks ago.

Looking forward to seeing new Orlocks. Hope we get some cool models out of that.

Wasnt the next siege of terra novella The Fury of Magnus, Unleashed! supposed to go on preorder the 22nd? At least that what they said back in March. I guess their plan changed.

[edit] Ah according to the facebooks its postponed until 19th of September [/edit]

MoD_Legion wrote:
Wasnt the next siege of terra novella The Fury of Magnus, Unleashed! supposed to go on preorder the 22nd? At least that what they said back in March. I guess their plan changed.

Yeah, it’s 19th September preorder now, according to BL social media.

After that, it's going to be a wait for some time before they pick things up again, earlier they mentioned that the Siege of Terra is on a break.

Malerion elves would be really cool, though I do not need another army right now!

 Sasori wrote:
Malerion elves would be really cool, though I do not need another army right now!

It really depends what they do with them. I was really impressed with the first reveal of High-Light Elves, and then the cow-themes happened at them.

Voss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Malerion elves would be really cool, though I do not need another army right now!

It really depends what they do with them. I was really impressed with the first reveal of High-Light Elves, and then the cow-themes happened at them.

Really wish people would recognize that the 'cow-themes' are far, far more realized than "lulz cows"(Ymetrican Longhorn if we want to get precise).

It's a totem. Each of the Aelementari Temples(Wind, River, Mountain, and Zenith) are associated with an element. Alarith are the Mountain Temple. Avalenor, the named 'Giant Cow' with the two hammers? That's the literal spirit of the mountain Avalenor, putting its essence into a physical form to wage war alongside of the Alarith Temple. Avalenor is also the only one that manifested its form of its own accord.
The ones with the giant hammers are constructs, painstakingly crafted by the Alarith Stonemages and the Wardens to have a vessel for their mountain-spirits to inhabit. The 'cow-masks'? They're a binding mechanism for the spirits.

The lore surrounding the concept is really nice and I cannot wait to see the other Aelementari Temples.

Voss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Malerion elves would be really cool, though I do not need another army right now!

It really depends what they do with them. I was really impressed with the first reveal of High-Light Elves, and then the cow-themes happened at them.

This is a pretty good point. I actually liked the Cows themselves, but the Stonebreaker hats ruined that part for me. I'm also not a fan of the two caster hero models either.

Also, Teclis' face.... Not sure what happened there, but it's awful.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Really wish people would recognize that the 'cow-themes' are far, far more realized than "lulz cows"(Ymetrican Longhorn if we want to get precise).

It's a totem. Each of the Aelementari Temples(Wind, River, Mountain, and Zenith) are associated with an element. Alarith are the Mountain Temple. Avalenor, the named 'Giant Cow' with the two hammers? That's the literal spirit of the mountain Avalenor, putting its essence into a physical form to wage war alongside of the Alarith Temple. Avalenor is also the only one that manifested its form of its own accord.
The ones with the giant hammers are constructs, painstakingly crafted by the Alarith Stonemages and the Wardens to have a vessel for their mountain-spirits to inhabit. The 'cow-masks'? They're a binding mechanism for the spirits.

The lore surrounding the concept is really nice and I cannot wait to see the other Aelementari Temples.

Theres no beating around the bush on the new elves; the cows'n'hammers look bizarre. Still visually awesome and If I were filthy rich I'd definitely get the giant-bull-avatar dude. It could have been worse - sheep, for example.

See, and I wonder how much of that is owed to the "ELVES DON'T USE HAMMERS!!11!" thinking of Warhammer days of old.

We didn't have people saying boo about White Lions during the later years, because it was just there for so long.

I think its also because the models aren't actually out yet. Sometimes a model looks "wrong" in photos or as an idea, but people's impression of them changes when they hold them. Heck the "I hate horns" helms could easily be modified with two quick clips of the clippers and a clean up.

Luminoth are sort of stuck until they get a "proper" release and then I hope things will improve for them.

These are the games being previewed

'Shadow and Iron' was literally the name of the previous AT campaign book, and there are odds and ends we never received from that release...transfers, bits, cards. Would be great to see those on the way along with previews of upcoming stuff.

However, I'm fully prepared for the possibility (probability?) that upcoming AT stuff will only be *another* Knight variant. Ooooooo.

Adding it to the OP.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
Malerion elves would be really cool, though I do not need another army right now!

It really depends what they do with them. I was really impressed with the first reveal of High-Light Elves, and then the cow-themes happened at them.

Really wish people would recognize that the 'cow-themes' are far, far more realized than "lulz cows"(Ymetrican Longhorn if we want to get precise).

It's a totem. Each of the Aelementari Temples(Wind, River, Mountain, and Zenith) are associated with an element. Alarith are the Mountain Temple. Avalenor, the named 'Giant Cow' with the two hammers? That's the literal spirit of the mountain Avalenor, putting its essence into a physical form to wage war alongside of the Alarith Temple. Avalenor is also the only one that manifested its form of its own accord.
The ones with the giant hammers are constructs, painstakingly crafted by the Alarith Stonemages and the Wardens to have a vessel for their mountain-spirits to inhabit. The 'cow-masks'? They're a binding mechanism for the spirits.

The lore surrounding the concept is really nice and I cannot wait to see the other Aelementari Temples.

Ugly models are something they're stuck with, and 'Well, actually, they're a stupidly named elemental totem cliche' doesn't help in any regard.
The explanation you've given honestly makes me think its worse than I thought, just for 'Aelementari' alone. I already knew they were going for an earth elemental theme, and they still look terrible with oversized hammers and cow masks.

 gorgon wrote:
'Shadow and Iron' was literally the name of the previous AT campaign book, and there are odds and ends we never received from that release...transfers, bits, cards. Would be great to see those on the way along with previews of upcoming stuff.

However, I'm fully prepared for the possibility (probability?) that upcoming AT stuff will only be *another* Knight variant. Ooooooo.

"Shadow and Iron" and "Shadow, Iron, & Broken Realms" are not the same thing.

 gorgon wrote:
'Shadow and Iron' was literally the name of the previous AT campaign book, and there are odds and ends we never received from that release...transfers, bits, cards. Would be great to see those on the way along with previews of upcoming stuff.

However, I'm fully prepared for the possibility (probability?) that upcoming AT stuff will only be *another* Knight variant. Ooooooo.

Doesn’t look like there’s an AT preview.

I think we're reading too much into a title...

The Orlock book is called House of Iron according to the Necromunda roadmap they published a while back.

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
40k fans should keep their expectations down

While there is some Warhammer 40,000 in there, this is a chance to see the upcoming awesomeness for many of our other Warhammer settings.

I have but one request for 40k: Show us the New. Forge World. BOOKS!

I bet they'll detail the codex lineup over the next 6 months.

I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

 Marshal Loss wrote:
40k fans should keep their expectations down

While there is some Warhammer 40,000 in there, this is a chance to see the upcoming awesomeness for many of our other Warhammer settings.

I have but one request for 40k: Show us the New. Forge World. BOOKS!

I bet they'll detail the codex lineup over the next 6 months.

That will probably serve to both calm those at the front of the queue while aggravating those who don't get a mention. Hopefully, if you're right, the new fw books will be included. Hopefully they will have sane points instead of the randomness of CA2020.

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

I don’t imagine they’d be carrying on with it if it wasn’t profitable for them.

 Kanluwen wrote:
See, and I wonder how much of that is owed to the "ELVES DON'T USE HAMMERS!!11!" thinking of Warhammer days of old.

We didn't have people saying boo about White Lions during the later years, because it was just there for so long.

Oh my god I remember those chaps! Axe-evles!

To be fair, hammers'n'mallets are more associated with characters who "lift" or are brutal in general. Chaos warriors trying to cosplay Thulsa Doom's goons come to mind.

In all honesty, sometimes a design needs to go against the grain to be memorable. For example, the Seraphon could just be a bunch of reptiles running around just eating other races out of primal hunger but are actually quite classy - hints of star travel and all that jazz which not something one would immediately think of when imagining reptiles or dinosaurs. Then again, there are the Vistors of the tv show V...

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

I don’t imagine they’d be carrying on with it if it wasn’t profitable for them.

Ehh...GW proper isn't carrying on with it beyond the plastics that the boardgames came with.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

I don’t imagine they’d be carrying on with it if it wasn’t profitable for them.

Ehh...GW proper isn't carrying on with it beyond the plastics that the boardgames came with.

So? They were the only plastics they did for them anyway. They didn’t start as plastics and turf it off to Forge World. I can easily see it not being as profitable as it was at that point, but it must be doing well enough for them to keep the FW support.

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

Horus Heresy could also include Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis, which I believe have been somewhat successful.

That's kind of what I'm referring to.

If it had been super profitable, I genuinely think they would have moved to it being a 'supported in stores' thing. As it stands, all those plastics are Direct Order items(the Mark IIIs aren't marked as such here in the US webstore, but they effectively are).

But even then, they didn't expand beyond that. No Solar Auxilia plastics, no Legion plastics, no vehicles beyond the Easy Build Contemptor.


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SamusDrake wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

Horus Heresy could also include Adeptus Titanicus and Aeronautica Imperialis, which I believe have been somewhat successful.

And this is actually the best thing to take into consideration. Adeptus Titanicus is considered Horus Heresy right now. Aeronautica Imperialis isn't, but AT definitely is.

Another no-show for Kill Team unless it counts as 40K.

Beginning to wonder if GW are in the situation where they have to decide which sci-fi skirmish game to support; Kill Team or Necromunda. Necromunda and Warcry seem to be getting the model and book support while Kill Team seems to be an after thought...


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 Kanluwen wrote:
Adeptus Titanicus is considered Horus Heresy right now. Aeronautica Imperialis isn't, but AT definitely is.

That is a good point. I tend to lump those two games together, but AI certainly isn't Heresy era. My mistake.

Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

Edit: not really necessary.

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 ultimentra wrote:
I'll never understand why they continue to waste time on Horus Heresy. I can't imagine that they actually turn profit on that game, I literally have not seen it played in years.

I don’t imagine they’d be carrying on with it if it wasn’t profitable for them.

Ehh...GW proper isn't carrying on with it beyond the plastics that the boardgames came with.

So? They were the only plastics they did for them anyway. They didn’t start as plastics and turf it off to Forge World. I can easily see it not being as profitable as it was at that point, but it must be doing well enough for them to keep the FW support.

30K has a small but devoted fanbase, but it's definitely not a product in any kind of state resembling growth mode. FW's support for 30K now looks a lot like their support for 40K from years ago...campaign books, special units, big models. Will be interesting to see if that continues or changes. I could see it going either way.

Glad to see they've confirmed which games are getting previewed - sensible step, which allows for people to tailor their expectations accordingly.

The following can be said to be off the table, then:
- Blood Bowl
- Aeronautica Imperialis
- Adeptus Titanicus
- Kill Team (?)
- Warhammer Quest/Blackstone Fortress

Am I missing any?

As noted above, AT is often listed under HH, so it's not necessarily going to be absent.

 Kanluwen wrote:
We didn't have people saying boo about White Lions during the later years, because it was just there for so long.

Depends on whether you're referring to the unit, or the chariots-pulled-by-lions I vaguely remember.

The unit of axe-wielding elves made a degree of sense as they were described as the High Elf equivalent of woodsmen, and a common trope for woodsmen is the use of axes. In a forest, they made more sense than spears or two-handed swords. The lion cloaks were an interesting touch for woodsmen, but pelts as a whole also fit the trope. And we were generally dealing with a unit (from one region) and a single special character - the unit, at least, was in WHFB since 4th edition, from memory.

High Elves with hammers - let alone cow-hats - would probably have raised an eyebrow. Not to mention gotten many a Dwarf to tug on their beard in consternation, while grumbling about grudges...

HH will really kick off once all the Firstborn get Squated back to 30k and Primaris have fully taken over 40k.

They said before the lockdown that there was something "massive" coming for HH, or "Something that everyone is going to love" or something like that.

AI is not under the HH banner so not sure where people are assuming that's on the docket? They need to unveil the Ramora drones and new ground assets, but we just got the Avenger reveal so wonder if that's still far off.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
We didn't have people saying boo about White Lions during the later years, because it was just there for so long.

Depends on whether you're referring to the unit, or the chariots-pulled-by-lions I vaguely remember.

The unit of axe-wielding elves made a degree of sense as they were described as the High Elf equivalent of woodsmen, and a common trope for woodsmen is the use of axes. In a forest, they made more sense than spears or two-handed swords. The lion cloaks were an interesting touch for woodsmen, but pelts as a whole also fit the trope. And we were generally dealing with a unit (from one region) and a single special character - the unit, at least, was in WHFB since 4th edition, from memory.

Unit, monster(in other media such as Total War, the Lions are fieldable by themselves), named character(and an option for other characters to take the cloak and an axe), and the chariot.

Don't forget though that while the 'High Elf equivalent of woodsmen'...that was generations previous to the ones we as players were fielding. Chracian Woodsmen were the people who saved somebody important waaaaay back when and then it remained the bodyguards for the Phoenix King forever and ever afterwards.

Which again comes to why I said what I said.

High Elves with hammers - let alone cow-hats - would probably have raised an eyebrow. Not to mention gotten many a Dwarf to tug on their beard in consternation, while grumbling about grudges...

I'd imagine there was likely grumbling about the axes too seeing as even the consummate woodsmen, the Wood Elves only have hatchets on their Waywatchers and Scouts back in the day. They weren't a 'signature item' for the unit or even really a weapon that I can recall, they were just an incidental thing that was used as their hand weapon.

Which ties it all back to, again, why I said what I said:
It's something new and different. There's lore involvement for it and we didn't get any of the other examples. River is supposed to be blinding fast with some kind of bladed weapon for their Temple 'signature weapon' that was used for slitting Orruk throats. Wind has mounted archers. Zenith is the 'unknown' at this point, beyond us hearing about Lumineth who can turn themselves into light or angelic beings of light.

If we'd gotten River and Wind at the same time? I'd imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth might have been tempered somewhat...but it still would have been there because, again, it's something new and different.

For myself, it's easy to accept. The idea of an animus for the elements just feels right for what they've described Teclis as trying to do(rebuild Hysh after the Spire Wars). The idea that these Aelves have taken up weapons that are similar to what the constructs they have for the animus works as well.

 Dysartes wrote:
Glad to see they've confirmed which games are getting previewed - sensible step, which allows for people to tailor their expectations accordingly.

The following can be said to be off the table, then:
- Blood Bowl
- Aeronautica Imperialis
- Adeptus Titanicus
- Kill Team (?)
- Warhammer Quest/Blackstone Fortress

Am I missing any?

Blood Bowl got spoiled by the Second Season Edition leak and was probably meant for this Preview (they did get those three videos out in short order afterwards).

 Prometheum5 wrote:
AI is not under the HH banner so not sure where people are assuming that's on the docket?

As posted previously, I do tend to make the mistake of lumping AT and AI together. By the looks of it, no I don't think AI will be mentioned next Saturday.


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Koveras wrote:
Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

Maybe not model support but there is always books...

...to throw at the other player when suspected of cheating!

 Dysartes wrote:
Glad to see they've confirmed which games are getting previewed - sensible step, which allows for people to tailor their expectations accordingly.

The following can be said to be off the table, then:
- Blood Bowl
- Aeronautica Imperialis
- Adeptus Titanicus
- Kill Team (?)
- Warhammer Quest/Blackstone Fortress

Am I missing any?

Middle-earth.

 Overread wrote:
To be fair we know what 40K is getting mostly up to October - Marines and Necrons. GW likely doesn't have all that much else to talk about until those two big releases are out of the door.

Aside from a host of yet unrevealed primairs models, including Heavy Intercessors, the new Captain, The landspeeder and the rumored vindicator replacement, as well as Hellfuries. Necrons also still have a couple of unrevealed models. My semi-local manager told me to keep an eye out in the coming months, he said "Eldar fans will be very happy." Whatever that means.


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SamusDrake wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:
AI is not under the HH banner so not sure where people are assuming that's on the docket?

As posted previously, I do tend to make the mistake of lumping AT and AI together. By the looks of it, no I don't think AI will be mentioned next Saturday.


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Koveras wrote:
Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

Maybe not model support but there is always books...

...to throw at the other player when suspected of cheating!

You can give it model support. All of the rouge trader stuff was pretty much tailor made for KT and BSF.

Koveras wrote:
Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

There's always Kill Team: Fast Attack and Kill Team: Heavy Support.

Also maybe an opportunity to recycle and kick off a new box set, as the current one is kinda rubbish.

 Togusa wrote:
My semi-local manager told me to keep an eye out in the coming months, he said "Eldar fans will be very happy." Whatever that means.

Ah, sounds intriguing. So hope its new Warlocks and Reapers...

Voss wrote:

Koveras wrote:
Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

There's always Kill Team: Fast Attack and Kill Team: Heavy Support.

Also maybe an opportunity to recycle and kick off a new box set, as the current one is kinda rubbish.

More likely than not if anything's going to happen on that front, it would be a replacement of the Rogue Trader set: a new, self-contained 'set' that introduces a new mechanic(Rogue Trader brought Commanders in) with two Kill Teams people would go ape over.


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SamusDrake wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
My semi-local manager told me to keep an eye out in the coming months, he said "Eldar fans will be very happy." Whatever that means.

Ah, sounds intriguing. So hope its new Warlocks and Reapers...

I'd imagine if it's going to be anything, it would be Jes Goodwin announcing it...

 Kanluwen wrote:

Voss wrote:

Koveras wrote:
Doesn't Kill Team use 40k models? Can't really give that game more model support then.

There's always Kill Team: Fast Attack and Kill Team: Heavy Support.

Also maybe an opportunity to recycle and kick off a new box set, as the current one is kinda rubbish.

More likely than not if anything's going to happen on that front, it would be a replacement of the Rogue Trader set: a new, self-contained 'set' that introduces a new mechanic(Rogue Trader brought Commanders in) with two Kill Teams people would go ape over.

It could also be as simple as the 2020 Kill Team Annual...

I feel like GW left Kill-Team out to dry after Rogue Trader, presumably, didn't do too well. That we never saw an Inquisition expansion always tilted me as a bit strange and perhaps what they were saving Daemons for until they crammed them into White Dwarf a while later. Another 'edition' of it seems more likely at this point, but I suspect they'll want to tout 40k 'Combat Patrol' (500pts) as the new entry point for a while.

Underworlds' new season isn't until December so it feels a little early to be seeing that, but on the other hand August is when we got Nightvault/Beastgrave last time so maybe they'll reveal it early.

Aeronautica Imperialis is probably dead considering it largely seems to have been a flop and has no showing at this event, but then again I know none who played War Cry and it's still getting support so what do I know.

War Cry's got the Shadow Witch Elf warband and maybe we'll see another non-Chaos warband shown off, since it seems weird to preview what we've already seen.

Horus Heresy is presumably Titanicus. Could be a small preview of the next black book since Dark Mechanicum were cut out of Crusade.

Necromunda's definitely the Orlock stuff (House of Iron).

SamusDrake wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
My semi-local manager told me to keep an eye out in the coming months, he said "Eldar fans will be very happy." Whatever that means.

Ah, sounds intriguing. So hope its new Warlocks and Reapers...

They already teased a new Lelith.

 Arbitrator wrote:
I feel like GW left Kill-Team out to dry after Rogue Trader, presumably, didn't do too well. That we never saw an Inquisition expansion always tilted me as a bit strange and perhaps what they were saving Daemons for until they crammed them into White Dwarf a while later. Another 'edition' of it seems more likely at this point, but I suspect they'll want to tout 40k 'Combat Patrol' (500pts) as the new entry point for a while.

Underworlds' new season isn't until December so it feels a little early to be seeing that, but on the other hand August is when we got Nightvault/Beastgrave last time so maybe they'll reveal it early.

Aeronautica Imperialis is probably dead considering it largely seems to have been a flop and has no showing at this event, but then again I know none who played War Cry and it's still getting support so what do I know.

War Cry's got the Shadow Witch Elf warband and maybe we'll see another non-Chaos warband shown off, since it seems weird to preview what we've already seen.

Horus Heresy is presumably Titanicus. Could be a small preview of the next black book since Dark Mechanicum were cut out of Crusade.

Necromunda's definitely the Orlock stuff (House of Iron).

Yeah, Kill Team was a huge missed opportunity to do things like Inquisition, Arbites, Eldar Corsairs, etc. Small, flavorful factions that you wouldn’t necessarily see in a large scale battle. I don’t think it helped that is one of the most awkward skirmish games on the market rules wise. I was super stoked to play it until I played a few games and they just dragged on and on. At this point I think the game is dead and may continue getting a few WD articles a year but otherwise be a non-factor. I think GW is definitely going to push combat patrol instead.

Underworlds I could see them show off the new starter. I hope they don’t do one of the “silhouette previews” like they did with beastgrave or show off the multiplayer expansion. I’d like to see some new models. I’m guess the new starter will be the goofy skeleton golems vs. Deepkin or Chaos Warriors.

AI doesn’t seem to have done very well from what I’ve seen, which is a shame as the game is pretty fun. Warcry is definitely a different story in my neck of the woods, before Covid every local shop I have been to that does Minis was running a league and getting 8Ish-20ish
players a night. That’s at least 5 stores, and I know of a few others that had them. Lots of people seem to play it at home too (that’s mainly where I play it- it’s a great kitchen table beer and pretzels type game with buddies). I think we’ll see the full preview of the Shadow Elves and maybe another non-Chaos warband.

I think you are right on Heresy and Necromunda also.

It’s a shame about AI. I wanted to get into that game since it was a Forgeworld property...but not enough to deal with Forgeworld.

Sadly, I couldn’t justify the prices of the new AI. I was expecting it to be sold more like X-Wing, since it was supposed to compete with X-Wing. But X-Wing doesn’t force you to buy two X-Wings at a time when you want an X-wing. (And it’s fun to say X-wing.) Also, one can buy a lot of great fighters in that game, and like 2 types of fighters that aren’t embarrassing in AI. It’s like GW thought market research was otiose for the market they were trying to break into.

I don't think Killteam is the right place for minor factions to appear. The whole marketing idea of Killteam is that its the smaller 40K game that allows a potential customer to buy into it very cheaply and start playing games. When one or two boxes of models, a modest rule book and some tools/dice is all they need to get started and play.

Then to allow them to expand their army with single purchases of boxes of models. The whole intent being that they slow-grow enough models to start 500 and 1K point battles in full 40K.


As such you can't really introduce a single band of Corsairs or such. A single box isn't leading anywhere into a full proper army for GW. Instead those kind of things are what we've seen appear in Warhammer Quest Blackstone Fortress. A side game that, whilst it has some rules for 40K as an option, is fully its own thing for hte most part. It's the best place to put a handful of models that GW isn't planning on making into a full army experience. It's not part of its marketing, design nor intent.

Just like how in Age of Sigmar the Warcry Warbands are full army units that expand into full armies; whilst Underworlds has several (Dark Oath, Kurnothi) that don't have any direct army expansion as such. Yes they fit into regular AoS armies - and Dark Oath sort of did make a start at appearing, but then after 2 leaders vanished (and very oddly didn't' get a Warcry Warband even though they share most of the visual designs including the whole belt buckle icons).


I'm all for SIDE games that add minor factions without any pressure for GW to expand them into full armies; so long as that approach is kept very clear. As soon as GW starts putting minor factions that won't expand into a fully arm into something like Killteam; then they are confusing the market that they are marketing toward. Both new gamers and established.

Wasn't there a rumor of a new starter set for Horus Heresy?

Smaug wrote:
Wasn't there a rumor of a new starter set for Horus Heresy?

Not so much a rumour, but it's been asked for every month since the Prospero/Calth sets went OOP.
Also AI is pretty popular, at least in the UK. You see and hear a lot of it in the various instagram and twitter feeds. But like everything else, it's not got the same noise level as 40k.
Doesn't mean it's failed.

Horus Heresy alrady got 2 marks of plastic marines, 2 marks of plastic terminators, there is noting more to make for that range, exept possibly some weird-side mechanicum stuff.

Thats horus heresy for you.

Yeah, ok, they might make some round turrets for the predator i suppose.

 Fayric wrote:
Horus Heresy alrady got 2 marks of plastic marines, 2 marks of plastic terminators, there is noting more to make for that range, exept possibly some weird-side mechanicum stuff.

Thats horus heresy for you.

Yeah, ok, they might make some round turrets for the predator i suppose.

By the same token, <insert 40k faction here> doesn't need anything because it already has 2 sets of plastic infantry, 2 sets of plastic elite infantry and so there's nothing else to make for <insert 40k range here>.
Even better if we say that about Eldar. I'm sure that would go down well.

What they could make in plastic that would be well received:

plastic assault marines. Maybe in MK2 armour.
plastic breachers
plastic deimos rhino/predator
plastic land raider

This would make building core units to HH much more affordable.

And of course new start set would make starting whole game much cheaper.

don't forget a Whirlwind with a launcher that looks like it's made out of 40mm square base, a rhino front panel and some plasti-card.

Maybe they took so long to make new Horus Heresy plastics because they want to switch to Marine models with good proportions, now that they have Primaris and Chaos Marines in 40k that are better received in that regard. That kind of change takes time.

 Geifer wrote:
Maybe they took so long to make new Horus Heresy plastics because they want to switch to Marine models with good proportions, now that they have Primaris and Chaos Marines in 40k that are better received in that regard. That kind of change takes time.

That would be great. I'd love some true scale Mark III, IV, and V marines. True scale Cataphractii and Tartaros would be cool too.

 Geifer wrote:
Maybe they took so long to make new Horus Heresy plastics because they want to switch to Marine models with good proportions, now that they have Primaris and Chaos Marines in 40k that are better received in that regard. That kind of change takes time.

They can't make HH marines primaris sized though without redoing whole custodians in new size. Custodian and primaris models are pretty much spot on and custodians are supposed to be head taller than marines. So if they make HH marines any taller it makes them too tall.

Sure they can. They made Chaos Marines taller without resizing Custodes, after all.

 BroodSpawn wrote:

Smaug wrote:
Wasn't there a rumor of a new starter set for Horus Heresy?

Not so much a rumour, but it's been asked for every month since the Prospero/Calth sets went OOP.
Also AI is pretty popular, at least in the UK. You see and hear a lot of it in the various instagram and twitter feeds. But like everything else, it's not got the same noise level as 40k.
Doesn't mean it's failed.

That's good to hear. Where I am all the local shops seem to have trouble selling it, and a few of them are selling the products on their clearance racks. Again, I think it's a pretty good game and wish it would gain a bit more support locally.

 Geifer wrote:
Sure they can. They made Chaos Marines taller without resizing Custodes, after all.

That can be at least argued with chaos warp effect. But any pretense of true scale marines could then be forgotten. Which would be funny because literally post or two above is "true scale would be cool". Well if you make them too tall then obviously it's not true scale.

tneva82 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Sure they can. They made Chaos Marines taller without resizing Custodes, after all.

That can be at least argued with chaos warp effect. But any pretense of true scale marines could then be forgotten. Which would be funny because literally post or two above is "true scale would be cool". Well if you make them too tall then obviously it's not true scale.

Sorry, would the term "more anatomically correct" make you happy?

 Gadzilla666 wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Geifer wrote:
Sure they can. They made Chaos Marines taller without resizing Custodes, after all.

That can be at least argued with chaos warp effect. But any pretense of true scale marines could then be forgotten. Which would be funny because literally post or two above is "true scale would be cool". Well if you make them too tall then obviously it's not true scale.

Sorry, would the term "more anatomically correct" make you happy?

It's not a case of them being too short but the fact they don't have hips. Jes Goodwin said this himself on one of the podcasts. To redo the various mks like that you'd have to redesign the armour. TBH I'd be happy with plastic mk II since both WS and DA kinda need it.

Obviously the Horus Heresy news is that they're launching a range of plastic Imperial Army, done up as pseudo-Cadians.

 Fayric wrote:
there is noting more to make for that range,

The HH range is done when we have a reliable source of MkII armour available, and not a moment sooner!

 Togusa wrote:
My semi-local manager told me to keep an eye out in the coming months, he said "Eldar fans will be very happy." Whatever that means.

Last time someone told me to be excited for my Eldar we got Blood of the Phoenix. I think I'll shift the hype gear down on any of this.

Blood of Phoneix gave Eldar plastic aspect warriors and new plastic hero. Both replacements for existing metal and both were great sets of models. Sure the duel army boxed set wasn't great for existing fans because you'd got all the falcons and vipers you need

 Overread wrote:
Blood of Phoneix gave Eldar plastic aspect warriors and new plastic hero. Both replacements for existing metal and both were great sets of models. Sure the duel army boxed set wasn't great for existing fans because you'd got all the falcons and vipers you need

My fear is that all future Eldar releases are going to always start with a box set that flushes out old Vyper kits.

What a nightmare world that would be.

AI is however as likely as AT here, though both not under the HH banner.
40k is listed there, it would come under that..

So if people think we might get some Titanicus, we also might get some Aeronautica. By the logic.

(I don’t think we will see either though really, but technically could be both)

Aeronautica Imperialis isn't really considered anything but its own game, but AT has come under Horus Heresy info before.

GW has been very careful to keep AN and AT as fully their own separate games. I don't tihnk they will entertain "bridging" them together for some time or until/if they do an epic revival. I think they downplay the rumour of such happening a lot to stop people "waiting" for it and to get them spending now since any such plan is likely years if not a decade away.

Mr.Church13 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Blood of Phoneix gave Eldar plastic aspect warriors and new plastic hero. Both replacements for existing metal and both were great sets of models. Sure the duel army boxed set wasn't great for existing fans because you'd got all the falcons and vipers you need

My fear is that all future Eldar releases are going to always start with a box set that flushes out old Vyper kits.

What a nightmare world that would be.

A world where BFG players could buy Eldar hulls for pennies on the dollar...has its upside.

2020 just keeps on giving doesn’t it?
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I got the same email...this is after not being shipped the 2nd to the last issue and GW had to send me a non-subscriber issue of WD to make up for it...

1st world problems, but still...

Thanks, Red.

WD sub thread :

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Warhammer TV Facebook Page wrote:Big things are coming to the Underhive...as well as the Mortal Realms, and the Warhammer 40,000 galaxy. You'll find out about it all this Saturday, from 145pm(BST). Join us...

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Alright everyone, preview starts in 34 minutes!
Remember that the live stream will begin before that, but will likely just be a summary of the last Preview they ran.

time for last minute predictions, speculations, and wild wishlisting still.

Malerion aelves called something like Umbralneth Shadowkin or something like that.

The Khan for HH

The SM stuff we know is coming but not seen yet officially like the heavy intercessors and landspeeder thing.

The new Underworld season and its contents

Necromunda next edition

And no idea for Warcry

That’s my random predictions

Shadowkin are the name we already had for them, I don't expect more being added.

If they show Marines, I think they'd show Necron stuff too.

They are uploading the Reveal Videos listed as private to youtube right now and as of now its only one for 40k so probably not something SM and Necrons as I expect those to come in pairs but something else

Matrindur wrote:
They are uploading the Reveal Videos listed as private to youtube right now and as of now its only one for 40k so probably not something SM and Necrons as I expect those to come in pairs but something else

How do you see private videos being uploaded?

ERJAK wrote:

Matrindur wrote:
They are uploading the Reveal Videos listed as private to youtube right now and as of now its only one for 40k so probably not something SM and Necrons as I expect those to come in pairs but something else

How do you see private videos being uploaded?

You can see them in the respective playlists already

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shadowkin are the name we already had for them, I don't expect more being added.

If they show Marines, I think they'd show Necron stuff too.

Only going by the other aelf faction names: Sylva- neth, Ido- neth, Lumi- neth and Umbral is a word GW likes to use with shadows eg the RG psychic discipline being Umbramancy

Ok, we're on.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Remember that the live stream will begin before that, but will likely just be a summary of the last Preview they ran.

So the same as every other recent preview?

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Shadowkin are the name we already had for them, I don't expect more being added.

If they show Marines, I think they'd show Necron stuff too.

Only going by the other aelf faction names: Sylva- neth, Ido- neth, Lumi- neth and Umbral is a word GW likes to use with shadows eg the RG psychic discipline being Umbramancy

Then there's also:
Wanderers
Daughters of Khaine
Shadowblades
Scourge Privateers
Ordo Serpentis

Umbra isn't just a word GW likes to use with shadows, it's a word that a lot of game companies like to use with shadows.

Not trying to pick on you or start a fight. Trying to come up with patterns based on things GW has done can be awkward, at best.

Based off the thumbnail silohuette, the 40k reveal is that Necron model we saw behind the monolith. The one eyed guy with the orb on his back

 GaroRobe wrote:
Based off the thumbnail silohuette, the 40k reveal is that Necron model we saw behind the monolith. The one eyed guy with the orb on his back

Seems that guy. Also kinda confirms that that'll be it as far as new minis are concerned. With that last one we have seen everything from that original big picture.

So now new regular Destroyers. :(

Do hope I'm wrong...

That mysterious Necron model from the back of the original teaser image will be getting its time in the limelight today, see left outline

It's TIME!!

Awesome way to start a preview, with something we already knew was coming, has been previewed already, and has a bunch of models already released.

Wonderful.

Cool that Crusade is finally coming out. Not sure it warranted a reveal slot, but eh

I'm not going to expect a lot from todays reveals based on the first item. A few books, a few new kits, isnt that just par for the course every saturday?

Well the first "reveal" is something we already knew about, so this does not bode well for this "preview".

I think even for Dakka that's a record for "dissapointed/depressed/negative/moaning" on a preview just getting started

Those Terminators are very pretty.

 Overread wrote:
I think even for Dakka that's a record for "dissapointed/depressed/negative/moaning" on a preview just getting started

Let me know when the preview starts.

I stand corrected. Those are very nice NL termies

cool looking doggs

But yeh, seems like its just a bunch of "next week" trailers interspersed with mind-numbing monologue. I'm out, enjoy

God, the Orlocks look great.

Why did Escher get stuck with the awful additional sprue when everyone else gets cool stuff?

Goliath gang expansion? They're alright.
Escher gang expansion? Bows and undead are a bit weird.
Orlock gang expansion? Jump packs, hammer-dudes and dogs! OMG!

These. Are. Great.

By the way:
How do people feel about the OP being updated as close to realtime as possible?

 The Phazer wrote:
God, the Orlocks look great.

Why did Escher get stuck with the awful additional sprue when everyone else gets cool stuff?

Agreed. Everything in that Orlock box looks bad ass!

 Overread wrote:
I think even for Dakka that's a record for "dissapointed/depressed/negative/moaning" on a preview just getting started

That's the best part of these. As every faction doesn't get 10 kits(and in first　slot as well) it's worst preview ever.

Orlocks are great.

Small sprue though - 2 jumpy dudes, one walky dude and one dog per sprue.

They don't do anything for me - but its a league better than the Escher stuff.

tneva82 wrote:

 Overread wrote:
I think even for Dakka that's a record for "dissapointed/depressed/negative/moaning" on a preview just getting started

That's the best part of these. As every faction doesn't get 10 kits(and in first　slot as well) it's worst preview ever.

I can kinda/sorta understand with regards to the Horus Heresy book. It's been known about for so long, but we never really had any 'confirmed' timeframe for it. It's just been "Soon(tm)". It almost feels like something that would have been better served as a quick spot-article on the 29th rather than part of this Preview Day.

Cyber Dobies look great!

Now where are those mutant tigers for the Escher darn it FW!

Orlock box is a winner and as they said - What Guard Officer does not want a Canid or two....

Wot.

Hexmark destroyer - how many guns !

My gods that necron has enough guns!

So that's the new Destroyer. Ok then...

Billy the ‘Nid makes the whole preview worth it IMHO. That whole video...

Warhammer Community wrote:
This new Destroyer will make a fun and deadly (very deadly) addition to your Necrons, as well as looking immensely cool. Keep an eye (or 7) out for it shortly after the codex launches in October

Eddie Ecles just commented that all-Destroyer armies are possible.

Wonder if he's a dual kit with the destroyer lord. Otherwise, I don't think there's another way to get him besides Indomitus, since he wasn't repacked in starter sets

 Overread wrote:
My gods that necron has enough guns!

S6 guns -with AP = kills a model - shoots again

B2 2+, re-roll 1's

Interesting lore snippet that the hexmark is a former deathmark and has the same hyperspace deployment trick.

The Hexmark Destroyer looks and sounds great!

2+ BS and reolling 1's to hit. Everytime it kills a model it can shoot again. Sounds like 6 shots base with some Ap, and it sounds like he does something with cover.

Also confirmed as an elite and a character! You start him off the board and he clears enemy objectives well.

Crusade expansion book!

"Think of it as a DLC for your Crusade experience!" - Games Workshop, who think that 'DLC' is considered a good thing.

He's more hunched than the lord model we have now and looking at the variation in designs its almost everything changed except the legs and chest plate; might be a bit too much change for him to be part of a duel destroyer lord kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Crusade expansion book!

Set in the Pariah Nexus. I don't like the new DLC so soon, but i have to admit it sounds cool if I played Crusade.

I love the Hexmark head. Please, 3rd party manufacturers, do heads in this style so that I can give them to all my necrons!

Narrative Expansions for Crusade are cool. Especially if it gives people more fun tools/dangles/etc for 'FORGING THE NARRATIVE'.

Let's bring it back.

I quite like the idea of the campaign sourcebooks - definitely a more sustainable way of doing the Psychic awakening books.

Lets face it Crusade is only going to feel a bit muted because of Corona and that we aren't playing enough games right now. Otherwise yeah it feels a bit "soon" to expand it with a book; but at the same time if it gets enough attention its giving more narrative players a lot more product and focus than in the past when it's often been one expansion pack and then nothing.

 Tastyfish wrote:
I quite like the idea of the campaign sourcebooks - definitely a more sustainable way of doing the Psychic awakening books.

One of the weirdest choices for PA is that "Pariah" has all of the warzone specific rules in it. Engine War, Greater Good, everything. All of the spots are in there.


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Lets face it Crusade is only going to feel a bit muted because of Corona and that we aren't playing enough games right now. Otherwise yeah it feels a bit "soon" to expand it with a book; but at the same time if it gets enough attention its giving more narrative players a lot more product and focus than in the past when it's often been one expansion pack and then nothing.

Agreed. Corona basically means that the kinds of things we'd be doing for this are nonexistent.

Is there an Imperial train in the background of the Hexmark video at 0:15? Future terrain kit incoming or kitbash?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




Also: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fancy.

The Matched Play book about terrain is... interesting I suppose.

I'm not sold on it, even if I can make Tyranid Terrain to match my army and it have an impact.

That's even more skulls than usual.

 Carnikang wrote:
The Matched Play book about terrain is... interesting I suppose.

I'm not sold on it, even if I can make Tyranid Terrain to match my army and it have an impact.

I think it's clever to make it so that bringing terrain for games can affect scores.

Huh. The box shows both the Chaplain and Plasmancer. Both are exclusively Indomitus, but it'd be cool to have another way to get them. (I bought them off ebay, but two are never enough)

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! NEW WARCRY!

Was not expecting new duel pack for warcry!

 GaroRobe wrote:
Huh. The box shows both the Chaplain and Plasmancer. Both are exclusively Indomitus, but it'd be cool to have another way to get them. (I bought them off ebay, but two are never enough)

I think they are just for the front picture, the box is just terrain.

Love that warcry board!

I like the new Warcry set!

Angry Shadow Elves and Angry Fire Cultists battling over Lava pits is ace.

I really like the coffins. The only way to get a coffin was from the Black Coach, so Undead players rejoice

Ooooh... that's pretty.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I really like the coffins. The only way to get a coffin was from the Black Coach, so Undead players rejoice

Also, keep an eye out. They are likely to be selling the terrain by itself.

Wow that Warcry box set looks awesome

I'm liking the look of the new play style for Warcry too - a bit more boardgame style, but another great way to diversify the game.

Two sets of scenery also makes it a great set to do whatever you want!

A must buy for me - firechaos cultists and shadow aelves. My only thing is that it seems whoever designed the shadow aelves (or painted them) has a tiny bit more masculine style whilst the females of the scions look a bit more femenin in style.

Underworlds looking FIIIIIINE

Edit-Looks like Lumineth and Slaaneshie cultists

SKINK




Also the box art shows Slaanesh - so this is the first new Slaanesh mortal models!

NOOOOOO!
I knew they weren't going to show off the full models. :(

Also, is that maybe a mourghul?


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 Overread wrote:
SKINK

He has a lil frog quiver!

 Overread wrote:
SKINK

Be still my beating heart. Plastic Chameleon skink.

Slaanesh mortals yay! Only like three but better than nothing.

 The Phazer wrote:
Slaanesh mortals yay! Only like three but better than nothing.

It also seems they are getting Slaangors

I need those terminators.

Can you bring any kind of terrain to these "Tactical Deployment" games? Like maybe things big enough to hide a super heavy tank behind?

Slaaneshi mortals? Finally.

Now expand that for AoS in proper Hedonite kits.

Also Underworlds 6 player expansion book. You basically pick one character and go nuts - sounds fun!


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New DoK snake leader and new Slaanesh mortal leader models - in a duel army boxed set.

 Overread wrote:
Also Underworlds 6 player expansion book. You basically pick one character and go nuts - sounds fun!

wasn;t that in White Dwarf

OHHH Daughters of Khaine Melusia

Alright, *four* Slaaneshi mortals!

 Overread wrote:
Also Underworlds 6 player expansion book. You basically pick one character and go nuts - sounds fun!

It's Gnoblar time. Or Brimstone Horror time. Or maybe even one of the squiggly beasts the troggoth has with him

Mortals of Slaanesh getting a character, neat.

Looks like the Prince of Pleasure is resurgent.

Well that's the boot rumour solved for the slaneesh lord. And the Melusai character is just yes all over.

Duel box contents



Honestly a must buy for me as I have both armies - new characters look utterly awesome and the new mortal designs for Slaanesh are very neat!

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Overread wrote:
Also Underworlds 6 player expansion book. You basically pick one character and go nuts - sounds fun!

It's Gnoblar time. Or Brimstone Horror time. Or maybe even one of the squiggly beasts the troggoth has with him

Catch the Squigeon

There are some interesting (A)elf vibes from the Slaaneshi dude.

The big spike on his back is like the Angler fish-idoneth deepkin guy, the scale mail on his chest made me think of the Lumineth infantry guys, and the boots are very Khanite/dark elf-y

Broken Realms is the Sigmar version of Psychic Awakening then I guess

Morathi Campaign book - hell yeah

Art is freaking outstanding

Broken Realms being a lore dump is nice. Hopefully better than PA.

The art of Slaanesh breaking his prison bit by bit, and that Idoneth vs Khainite fight piece, are pretty sick.

Danny76 wrote:
Broken Realms is the Sigmar version of Psychic Awakening then I guess

So look forward to AoS 3rd Ed when it's all done.

Danny76 wrote:
Broken Realms is the Sigmar version of Psychic Awakening then I guess

Sounds like. So... time for a year break and see what they do with army books afterwards.
And, yeah, as HBMC says, probably a new edition.


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Kind of underwhelmed by the whole thing, to be honest (though some of the unshown underworlds stuff might be interesting). The full 40k terrain is a fairly nice box (glad I didn't buy the partial box or the command starter), but everything else seems pretty average-to-mediocre. The medusa hero might be an exception, but the box its in is loaded down with a lot of old and/or terrible kits on the slaanesh side.


The hexmark destroyer at least has a fun video. Don't like all the tubes on the model, though.

Well that was a lot of cool stuff

Fingers crossed that Slaanesh getting some attention in AoS means that EC are on the "to do" list in the nearish future

Funny how both Psychic Awakening and Broken Realms started with Aelves

Everything is great, but the frog on The Chameleon Skink is the absolute winner.

Well I'm happy. Can't wait for the new AOS models for Slaanesh.

And that's all folks. Hope you all got to see stuff you're excited for!

So, from the top:

HH - We knew about this already, but the new Nightlord Termies sure are nice.

Necro - The Orlocks look ace. First gang expansion I've genuinely been impressed with. Can't wait to get a'hold of them, even if it is Orlocks Version 3 before we even get Ash Wastes or Ratskins Version 1.

40k - Necron gunslinger is growing on me, and I love the idea of a Crusade expansion book. I do not love the idea of missions build around bringing half the terrain with you. I hate boards filled with random crap piled wherever. Boards should have clear, coherent, themes, not a haphazard mish-mash of random stuff. Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

Warcry - Shadow Elves and Flamey People are very nice, but damn if that new boxed set ain't pretty. Love the lava sewers map.

Underworlds - Well, ok. As long as it means more Mortal Slaanesh coming, then good.

Age of Sigmar - As above, if this means a Renaissance for Mortal Slaanesh, then good. No desire for a big expensive box, but I'll find a way to get the Lord of Pain. He's another fantastic model for Black Crusade. Don't really give a damn about Fantasy Psychic Awakening.

And then it ended... without a "...and here's a super secret teaser" thingy, which is a shame.

Overall winner?

Well... duh:

Was worth it for the Underworlds stuff, particularly the skink.

40k - Necron gunslinger is growing on me, and I love the idea of a Crusade expansion book. I do not love the idea of missions build around bringing half the terrain with you. I hate boards filled with random crap piled wherever. Boards should have clear, coherent, themes, not a haphazard mish-mash of random stuff. Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

Totally agree here, but i'm not worried, 99% of tournaments will NEVER use this book. Imagine the mess with everyone bringing their terrain. Imagine if someone forgot some or all of his terrain at house. That's just a book GW wants you to buy to tell you that you need to buy their terrain lol.
Same thing in clubs, you're paying an annual contribution to have boards AND terrain, no club will say to you to bring your own terrain.

EDIT : BTW, not everybody has terrain at home or wants to buy some, for example I got 2 friends who got armies but no board game or terrain at all because we always play at my house sooo...

Bringing half the terrain is just doing what Warcry wants you to do. GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

The first step was the idea of faction terrain being a major theme not just one odd faction getting it here and there. Then was the idea of games like warcry and killteam with big terrain and model sets. Now they are going for Crusade etc....

GW is just finding ways to sell terrain kits.

So two new books for 40k, and they aren't the new fw books that were supposed to be released shortly after 9th edition. Nothing about a timeline for new codexes besides Loyalist Scum and Necrons either.

Still love those terminators though.

Good spread of stuff, shame there was no AT though.

The Hexmark looks and sounds great. But the trailer has me hankering to play Kill Team more than 40k

Hopefully this new AoS series will be more like the Realmgate wars books and less like 40k's Psychic awakening in content.

Some good stuff there. Looking forward to that new Warcry. A bit disappointed that the 'two new characters plus bodyguards' is the modus opderandi now for 2-army boxes for 40k.

Well at least they've found another use for the 5th ed. Necron codex cover art which has no idea how perspective works (except now it has a green filter!)

Lots of nice stuff there, nothing I'd collect but the WarCry set looks very good, hoping since its underground I might get a dwarf warband of some description. The Chameleon Skink is cool- might be tempted by that set. Not sure on the Broken Realms thing, I like the idea of new lore and they could add new units to some of the factions with smaller model ranges.
I reckon there will be another preview in a month or so to set up Christmas .

Interesting to see where Broken Realms leads us. My 1st reaction is End Times for AoS as this last year it's been deader than a dead parrot for me in terms of sales and games played. I imagine a big shake up for 3rd edition is coming.

 Overread wrote:
GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

How do you know this? Could you share the sales data you obviously have access to? Cheers.

I don't collect either Slaanesh or DoK, but that boxset sure is tempting.

Was worth watching for the Necron video alone.

So, Slaanesh is coming. Goody. I guess GW finally manages to get me to buy an Underworlds core box. Hopefully, anyway. Figures they didn't show the models...

I knew I needed a Slaangor in my life, and the only cover of the box only reinforces that. I hope the model turns out well.

The Slaanesh lord is nice, though only comes in a battle box that I'm sure will be sold out very quickly. Box content looks pretty nice, though I don't really have a use for it aside from the Slaanesh lord. I'd use him for a 40k conversion, too. And somehow the word ayatollah comes to mind. Well, I'm sure I can get him separately next year. Big thumbs up for getting Slaaneshi mortals, though. Their number is hardly excessive, but it's a start.

The Warcry box looks neat. The warbands don't do anything for me, so I'll likely skip it, but it's good to see GW put more effort into the followup box for Warcry than they did for Kill Team.

The Lord of Pain is a nice sculpt I wish I had a use for. A bit over the top, but pretty Slaaneshy.

That was a good preview and a good amount of revealed items may end up in my shopping cart. Horus Heresy and 40k left me empty but other games delivered.

Horus Heresy: Personally I don't care. Terminators look ok I guess.
40k: Necron gunslinger is the worst new Necron model. I don't care about the book but the new terrain box looks tempting. If I have fun with terrain from Command Edition, this looks like a nice way to expand.
Orlocks: much, much better than Goliath and Escher additions. A fine addition to my pile of shame.
Warcry: Lava board and assorted gubbinz are highlight of the day for me. New Warbands are ok too. Day one purchase.
Underworlds: Not terribly excited about the Warbands featured in the boxed set but extremely happy to finally see Lizardmen!
Age of Sigmar: New models are cool and look fun to paint but Hedonites of Slaanesh range is plagued with awful Daemonettes and mortals. I hope that this precedes other new models though.

That Hexmark Destroyer is the right kind of crazy for me. I like when models end up with too many limbs. I feel like we need some special "Duel at High Noon" type rules for all the grimdark gunslingers that have been popping up in 40k lately.

Orlocks on my radar too. They were the first gang I bothered to paint in their entirety.

I'll be grabbing that Slaaneshi champion too. That guy looks great. Him and the underworlds mortals would make a great WarCry warband as well, which I believe I'll end up grabbing at some point too.

Damn GW and trying to suck up all my hobby money that I want to burn on 3D printing and kickstarters... mission accomplished I guess.

Big fat Meh from me.

Night Lords were pretty good, but I still don't like Forge World's new and clean Not!'Eavy Metal paint jobs.

Orlocks were... alright, but definitely the weakest of the Juvies for me.

Hexmark looks cool and at least it's not a Marine, but next.

Oh boy DLC books that should've been included in the corebook launched less than a month ago. Let's see how the shills defend this one.

More overpriced GW(tm) terrain. Next.

They're saying War Cry sold out beyond their expectations? Stores here were sending them back to GW before they yanked 'em off the webstore. I know none who plays it and haven't seen it played even. We've already seen the two warbands so NEXT.

Underworlds looks cool. No interest in the warbands provided but they were never going to put Cities of Sigmar in a coreset so I'm not too bothered. I didn't plan on using Kurnothi/Beastmen last time around but I did and enjoyed them, so I'll probably do the same here. Next.

Boxset for armies I don't collect (as if CoS is getting new models lmao), but Slaaneshi Mortals (well, one) is nice to see. I get the feeling it was a response to people panicking they were going to get squat'ed, which would've been odd considering the other three Chaos God books had mortals.

Not!PsychicAwakening eh? I'm not necessarily opposed to these style of books, but I remain sceptical how well they'll be written, but at least there's no Primaris-spank this time.

I for one, welcome 40k moving from the Gothic dark ages into the grim wild west. Adiós, Pardner.

"Make them bring their own terrain" was ITC's price for helping with 9th edition lol.

Overall cool stuff for specialist games, meh for the main two. Not looking forward to a dozen mandatory AoS splatbooks.

 Overread wrote:
SKINK




Also the box art shows Slaanesh - so this is the first new Slaanesh mortal models!

*Squees inaudibly*

I had a nice siesta instead of watching till the end. That new terrain set is nice, and makes me happy I didn't yet pull the trigger on the terrain set that was introduced with the #New40K starters. I reckon this has twice the amt of stuff in it, plus that new thingamajig, therefore its a better value set.

IME, when it comes to GW's terrain sets, they feel kinda overpriced and usually only feel worth their price when bought in the larger kit bundles instead of the single kits. But YMMV as usual.

After being exposed to this and the 40K 9th edition introductionary streams, I have decided I hate this presentation format, and will just happily wait until I can read the WHC recaps after the events. Too old for this ish.

Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

 Hollow wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

How do you know this? Could you share the sales data you obviously have access to? Cheers.

It's something that was mentioned ages back in one of their twitch videos. Basically the staff talking about how historically the terrain sets didn't sell all that well compared to regular models and that getting gamers to part with money for terrain was a difficult thing to sell to them compared to selling models. Hence why GW has been doing so many different things with terrain to find ways to encourage the market to be more excited about it and to buy it in a greater volume.

I recall them saying that the nurgling plague trees were one of the first times they seriously started to see players buying terrain which set them off on the path toward faction terrain to the point where now most AoS factions have faction terrain and those that don't are an anomaly. Meanwhile we've seen the same creeping into 40K as well. Necrons and Marines are getting them now - Sisters of Battle, Nurgle, Eldar, Chaos, Tau, Genestealer Cults all have faction terrain. Heck again we see forces like Tyranids and Dark Eldar without any terrain being outliers.

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

I'm pretty sure they won't, because that will be a big no-no from a majority of players. Building and painting an army is very expensive, and I don't see people spending money on GW's terrain they don't even like (that's my case, and i'm not alone), rather than more minis. With the 9th terrain rules, you will need to buy and bring 10 GW terrain to a tournament, and that's a LOT of money.

I'm not even talking of carrying a whole army PLUS 10 terrains stuff in the subway or the bus or whatever.

And as I said, imagine if a player forget some terrain at home? Plus, when i'm paying for a tournament, or a club, I expect to have proper game tables when I come to the event, and when I say proper game table, I mean a table with terrain on it, because what's up next? Will we need to bring a whole 44*60 game table on our back to the tournament too? ^^

Any guesses on prices yet?

I'm guessing the Warcry box will be the same as the first boxed set since its basically the same type of contents.

The new duel pack for DoK and Slaanesh seems to have around £97.50 for DoK models and £80.50 for Slaanesh. Add on around £40 for the two new leaders (I'd not expect them more than £20 each) and I'd say it could be a set worth between £100 and £120 at most at retail.

I wish I did not actually sit through an hour of this.

I'm going to ignore the 40k side of things as irrelevant (though I am shocked there was no new marine previewed!)

Warcry starter looks nice and if it's sensibly priced it might be a fun boardgame purchase.
Morathi's shadow elves are a nice departure from the bikini babe Witch Elves

Underworlds- we've seen absolutely nothing beyond some art, so yay...oh and we're getting new seraphon models finally, for the dying boardgame side of things, not the main game.

AoS proper- the starter set looks nice, the books fill me with dread remembering how bad the Realmgate wars were. I hope it's going to be more useful than Psychic Awkening at least?

Overall they showed almost nothing new of any substance.

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

Stuff was really cool. I’ll give it that. This big reveal seemed like a collection of typical reveal stuff, and aside from Slaanesh coming back into the spotlight, and possibly the newcron, I really don’t think it was worth the amount of hype GW nurtured. That could be partly because I have almost no interest in most of the revealed content though.

Also gotta agree with Overread, I’ve never met someone that actually bought a significant amount of terrain from GW. I see a lot of people that buy non-GW terrain occasionally or make it themselves and there really isn’t a whole lot of terrain they make that can’t be made using 3rd party bits, some relatively cheap materials, and a bit of ingenuity and creativity.


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Cronch wrote:
I wish I did not actually sit through an hour of this.

I'm going to ignore the 40k side of things as irrelevant (though I am shocked there was no new marine previewed!)

Warcry starter looks nice and if it's sensibly priced it might be a fun boardgame purchase.
Morathi's shadow elves are a nice departure from the bikini babe Witch Elves

Underworlds- we've seen absolutely nothing beyond some art, so yay...oh and we're getting new seraphon models finally, for the dying boardgame side of things, not the main game.

AoS proper- the starter set looks nice, the books fill me with dread remembering how bad the Realmgate wars were. I hope it's going to be more useful than Psychic Awkening at least?

Overall they showed almost nothing new of any substance.

They got a LOT of people blowing up their social media with “Please don’t release any more marines.” The Xenos players may have finally caught their attention.

Cronch wrote:
AoS proper- the starter set looks nice, the books fill me with dread remembering how bad the Realmgate wars were. I hope it's going to be more useful than Psychic Awkening at least?

Don't forget Realmgate Wars was a totally different beast. AoS at the time was a totally different game even where the attitude of designers was different. Meanwhile the writers were bound to mostly Stormcast stories and the setting was very new and fresh so authors were a bit out of their depth. Remembering that most BL novels are typically closer to adventuring stories than grand sweeping epic sagas with decades of planning and such.

I fully expect these new books to be superior in almost all respects; heck from the get go we know this book is going to focus on Morathi so not even the Stormcast. I think whilst it might have started with the idea; the AoS team has moved fully away from the idea of making/forcing Stormcast into being the "new marines" in terms of driving the narrative forward with them alone. There's a much bigger effort to have all factions with their own stories and identity and heroes and the like. Heck even Orruks and typically "monster of the week" type armies are getting more general attention story wise (slowly but surely).

 Overread wrote:

Cronch wrote:
AoS proper- the starter set looks nice, the books fill me with dread remembering how bad the Realmgate wars were. I hope it's going to be more useful than Psychic Awkening at least?

Don't forget Realmgate Wars was a totally different beast. AoS at the time was a totally different game even where the attitude of designers was different. Meanwhile the writers were bound to mostly Stormcast stories and the setting was very new and fresh so authors were a bit out of their depth. Remembering that most BL novels are typically closer to adventuring stories than grand sweeping epic sagas with decades of planning and such.

I fully expect these new books to be superior in almost all respects; heck from the get go we know this book is going to focus on Morathi so not even the Stormcast. I think whilst it might have started with the idea; the AoS team has moved fully away from the idea of making/forcing Stormcast into being the "new marines" in terms of driving the narrative forward with them alone. There's a much bigger effort to have all factions with their own stories and identity and heroes and the like. Heck even Orruks and typically "monster of the week" type armies are getting more general attention story wise (slowly but surely).

That's one thing I like about the AOS setting, Stormcast are the poster boys/girls but they don't consume the setting. There is other stuff going on and each alliance/faction gets their time in the sun in order to tell interesting new stories about the new warzones we can play in.

ERJAK wrote:
Is your head where it is for the warmth?

He's not wrong about this being a thinly veiled attempt to enshrine only official Citadel™ Terrain™ Kits™ as part of the required rules.

There are 18 weeks left in 2020, realistically 16 weeks in which new products will be sold. Here is a list of what has been officially previewed and is still unreleased:

I mean, there's no guarantee this is all going to be quarter 4. What we know for certain is Lumineth is September, Necrons and Marines in October, Shadow and Pain in November and Bloodbowl in December. I'd expect at least some of this stuff to bleed over into the new year.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/08/22/pre-order-today-underhive-blades-and-tiny-blood-bowl-terrors/

Escher Death-maidens and Wyld Runners and Ogryns are now up for Pre-Order.

Edit: wrong thread i'm stupid

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

Not sure where you're suggesting mine is, but i'm guessing yours is lodged firmly between GW's cheeks.

I like the slaanesh stuff. Might try and grab some to kitbash into my emperors children kill team.

 Arbitrator wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

Not sure where you're suggesting mine is, but i'm guessing yours is lodged firmly between GW's cheeks.

Heh. You made the same joke he did. But you flipped it, so that he was the butt and not you. Nice

JWBS wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

Not sure where you're suggesting mine is, but i'm guessing yours is lodged firmly between GW's cheeks.

Heh. You made the same joke he did. But you flipped it, so that he was the butt and not you. Nice

I'll be here all week.

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

If you think he's anything but 100% correct, you're smart enough to be the next US president.

Surprised not a single marine previewed. Pleasantly.

Dissapointed there was nothing for 40k(apart from one necron) considering they dropped a new edition.

Happy for veryone else though.

Seriously getting tired of seeing Warcry but not Kill Team in these previews. Can't they at least humour us with the long overdue Craftworlds faction set? And its not like they couldn't have done something to coincide with the whole Indomitus thing.

Otherwise, not a bad preview for the games concerned. Going to assume the Broken Realms is a prelude to a new edition of AoS in a similar way to the Psychic Awakening series was to 9th edition? AoS is a pretty cool game, having an entire faction of Tigris of Gaul fans and a Medusa appreciation society. The Morathi book looks real nice...

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

If you think he's anything but 100% correct, you're smart enough to be the next US president.

Low blow dude. I’m trying to take a break from being angry about the political climate of the US by being angry about 40k. But that was a sick burn.


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Also I am half joking as of a week ago I decided to try to be as positive as possible about 40k and I actually feel good about the overhaul of profiles and what not.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

They are meant to buy official GW terrain and then paint it to a battle-ready standard, using GW paints and GW brushes and all that, of course.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

They are meant to buy official GW terrain and then paint it to a battle-ready standard, using GW paints and GW brushes and all that, of course.

GW really feels like a Discworld guild...

"Can't have you playing ANYWHERE unless you are using Citadel plastic glue!"

*sigh* another "greatest preview ever" full of nothing but disappointment.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

If you think he's anything but 100% correct, you're smart enough to be the next US president.

So what you're saying is that hundreds of large events across the country will all switch from whatever store of terrain they have to expensive, not particularly easy to assemble or paint GW kits because of a supplement book very few people will buy?

If you believe that I have a bridge I can let you have for cheap!

If you're talking about the book itself, you're wasting your breath. Of course it'll only be GW standard issue terrain, that's why no one's going to buy it.

fething duh.

 Togusa wrote:
*sigh* another "greatest preview ever" full of nothing but disappointment.

Speak for yourself. There was a lot of fun stuff in there.

That new Slaanesh character is really cool but just sort of rubs salt in the wound of not having any mortal infantry for the Hedonites.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
*sigh* another "greatest preview ever" full of nothing but disappointment.

Speak for yourself. There was a lot of fun stuff in there.

Yeah, I mean there wasn't too much 40k related but new models for anything means more models for standins and conversions and bitz.

Omg, this prevew was AMAZING for me. My main loves are Slaanesh and DOK - I need that dual box! I really, really hope it won't be another that sells out in seconds as that makes it less likely I'll be able to get one, and both my armies could do with what's inside.

The new warcry starter box looks great and may tip me into starting warcry, and I can't wait to see those new underworlds slaanesh models. Then the next stage of AOS being focussed on aelves and slaanesh? Yes please!

Ashaar wrote:
Omg, this prevew was AMAZING for me. My main loves are Slaanesh and DOK - I need that dual box! I really, really hope it won't be another that sells out in seconds as that makes it less likely I'll be able to get one, and both my armies could do with what's inside.

The new warcry starter box looks great and may tip me into starting warcry, and I can't wait to see those new underworlds slaanesh models. Then the next stage of AOS being focussed on aelves and slaanesh? Yes please!

Truer words have never been spoken.

Preview new eldars vs EC for 40k and then I will be interested again in 40K release...

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
*sigh* another "greatest preview ever" full of nothing but disappointment.

Speak for yourself. There was a lot of fun stuff in there.

Yeah. While it was dumb to make the first "reveal" something we already knew about, this one was pretty good.

 Inquisitor Gideon wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
*sigh* another "greatest preview ever" full of nothing but disappointment.

Speak for yourself. There was a lot of fun stuff in there.

Yeah, I can see some of the disappointment with a few of the earlier previews, but this one had quite a lot of content. A new Warcry starter box with a new game mode/new warbands and a new season of Underworlds are pretty big news. The new Necron is pretty cool looking, the 40k terrain box will definitely be useful for some, new Night Lords terminators are pretty fun. I’ve heard several people say how excited they are for the new AoS battlebox.

I really only play Warcry of those games, but I thought it was chock full of cool/interesting stuff.

Friendly reminder here that Rule Number One is Be Polite! Thanks!

Did they say anything on twitch about the next preview?

Nova open should be in a couple of weeks, but since it has been canceled I don't know if there will be a preview.

zamerion wrote:
Did they say anything on twitch about the next preview?

Nova open should be in a couple of weeks, but since it has been canceled I don't know if there will be a preview.

No they did not, and honestly I'd not expect another preview wave until nearer mid-October when they start talking about other 40k Codices, or early 2021 releases.

ERJAK wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

Is your head where it is for the warmth?

If you think he's anything but 100% correct, you're smart enough to be the next US president.

So what you're saying is that hundreds of large events across the country will all switch from whatever store of terrain they have to expensive, not particularly easy to assemble or paint GW kits because of a supplement book very few people will buy?

If you believe that I have a bridge I can let you have for cheap!

If you're talking about the book itself, you're wasting your breath. Of course it'll only be GW standard issue terrain, that's why no one's going to buy it.

fething duh.

Right away? Maybe not, but it's apparent that things like this are GW attempting to wrestle back control of tournament rulesets away from unofficial-but-widespread-additions like the ITC. There's a great many tournaments out there who will very much stick hard to the letter of the law- uhh, rulebook. Terrain didn't have the same very defined rules they do now, but going by the corebook you could still flub it with your own stuff. It's not a stretch that with this new supplement they'll double down on the diameters, line-of-sight, mechanics, etc so that they align very much with the official terrain. Things like the ITC show people are, generally, willing to accept organisational additions, but that's different to homebrew rules at which most people even casually hyperventilate at the prospect of. This is only going to become more prevalent as GW offer official support/coverage and up-and-comers will follow the party line lest they risk being overlooked.

'Bring your own terrain but only official GW stuff' will probably also be supported by newer tournaments because it encourages people to dip into their own pocket and not have 1/2 people having to fork our hundreds - even for third-party laser cut stuff - because anything they can bring has official """balanced""" (as if) rules for it. Eventually this concept just becomes ingrained and normal and eventually everybody is doing it, or at least expected to. "wtf this event doesn't have entire Games Workshop(tm) boards full of their terrain? Wow it looks so cheap and poorly organised, come on bro, everyone can afford at least one/two/three pieces, it's not that much!" they'll cry.

Of course if it does end up like that, we'll likely see a slew of third-party MDF terrain and the like matching the specifics, so there's that.

I sincerely doubt it'll happen, as a general rule people don't mind buying expensive models, but will cheap out on terrain like it's no one's business.

SamusDrake wrote:
Seriously getting tired of seeing Warcry but not Kill Team in these previews. Can't they at least humour us with the long overdue Craftworlds faction set? And its not like they couldn't have done something to coincide with the whole Indomitus thing.

They are really doing a great job with Warcry and are totally missing a trick by not giving Killteam the same treatment with dedicated killteam kits for various factions. Extra bits for conversions as well as more variety of models =win. We could have Eldar outcasts/ranger teams, Ork commando teams..Tyranid Hunter teams and Guard Last Chancer teams..

Maybe Killteam will get something this Christmas mirroring the Warcry box.

They did give Killteam the same treatment though.

It was the Rogue Trader box. Which was criticized for being 'unplayable' in 40k proper for the Gellerpox and Starstriders.

The Khainite Shadowstalkers are the first non-Chaos warband we've seen. The other warbands have just been discount boxes bundled with the card packs.

One thing GW got right with the Warcry warbands that is now spreading to the Underworld ones is that they are giving them very basic group stats for the main game. In the current chaos warcry bands the models have a single profile with one or two outliers. Those outliers have things like +1 wound or +1 attack etc... Small modifications that give them a boon, but which otherwise are not dissimilar to regular infantry units in the game.

The new Daughters of Khaine warband for Underworld works the same; there's one weapon profile for the bodyguards and then a separate single hero leader profile for the queen in the set. Again simple, works well in AoS and isn't bogging it down.


The issue with characterful skirmish teams in a wargame is that they can either end up looking odd with a lot of "characters" operating as troops; or they can end up being really complicated because each model is a character in style so suddenly you've got 10 or so "leader" style units to manage.



Heck for Warcry GW even managed to make the lore work in their favour too. The Slaves to Darkness warbands are all character top of their game in Warcry; but when they join the Chaos Legions they suddenly find that they are right at the bottom again. Only rank and file basic troops in comparison to the mighty Chaos Warriors