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Funny how both Psychic Awakening and Broken Realms started with Aelves

Everything is great, but the frog on The Chameleon Skink is the absolute winner.

Well I'm happy. Can't wait for the new AOS models for Slaanesh.

And that's all folks. Hope you all got to see stuff you're excited for!

So, from the top:

HH - We knew about this already, but the new Nightlord Termies sure are nice.

Necro - The Orlocks look ace. First gang expansion I've genuinely been impressed with. Can't wait to get a'hold of them, even if it is Orlocks Version 3 before we even get Ash Wastes or Ratskins Version 1.

40k - Necron gunslinger is growing on me, and I love the idea of a Crusade expansion book. I do not love the idea of missions build around bringing half the terrain with you. I hate boards filled with random crap piled wherever. Boards should have clear, coherent, themes, not a haphazard mish-mash of random stuff. Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

Warcry - Shadow Elves and Flamey People are very nice, but damn if that new boxed set ain't pretty. Love the lava sewers map.

Underworlds - Well, ok. As long as it means more Mortal Slaanesh coming, then good.

Age of Sigmar - As above, if this means a Renaissance for Mortal Slaanesh, then good. No desire for a big expensive box, but I'll find a way to get the Lord of Pain. He's another fantastic model for Black Crusade. Don't really give a damn about Fantasy Psychic Awakening.

And then it ended... without a "...and here's a super secret teaser" thingy, which is a shame.

Overall winner?

Well... duh:

Was worth it for the Underworlds stuff, particularly the skink.

40k - Necron gunslinger is growing on me, and I love the idea of a Crusade expansion book. I do not love the idea of missions build around bringing half the terrain with you. I hate boards filled with random crap piled wherever. Boards should have clear, coherent, themes, not a haphazard mish-mash of random stuff. Plus none of my friends own any terrain. They come to me for everything. So what the feth are they meant to do?

Totally agree here, but i'm not worried, 99% of tournaments will NEVER use this book. Imagine the mess with everyone bringing their terrain. Imagine if someone forgot some or all of his terrain at house. That's just a book GW wants you to buy to tell you that you need to buy their terrain lol.
Same thing in clubs, you're paying an annual contribution to have boards AND terrain, no club will say to you to bring your own terrain.

EDIT : BTW, not everybody has terrain at home or wants to buy some, for example I got 2 friends who got armies but no board game or terrain at all because we always play at my house sooo...

Bringing half the terrain is just doing what Warcry wants you to do. GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

The first step was the idea of faction terrain being a major theme not just one odd faction getting it here and there. Then was the idea of games like warcry and killteam with big terrain and model sets. Now they are going for Crusade etc....

GW is just finding ways to sell terrain kits.

So two new books for 40k, and they aren't the new fw books that were supposed to be released shortly after 9th edition. Nothing about a timeline for new codexes besides Loyalist Scum and Necrons either.

Still love those terminators though.

Good spread of stuff, shame there was no AT though.

The Hexmark looks and sounds great. But the trailer has me hankering to play Kill Team more than 40k

Hopefully this new AoS series will be more like the Realmgate wars books and less like 40k's Psychic awakening in content.

Some good stuff there. Looking forward to that new Warcry. A bit disappointed that the 'two new characters plus bodyguards' is the modus opderandi now for 2-army boxes for 40k.

Well at least they've found another use for the 5th ed. Necron codex cover art which has no idea how perspective works (except now it has a green filter!)

Lots of nice stuff there, nothing I'd collect but the WarCry set looks very good, hoping since its underground I might get a dwarf warband of some description. The Chameleon Skink is cool- might be tempted by that set. Not sure on the Broken Realms thing, I like the idea of new lore and they could add new units to some of the factions with smaller model ranges.
I reckon there will be another preview in a month or so to set up Christmas .

Interesting to see where Broken Realms leads us. My 1st reaction is End Times for AoS as this last year it's been deader than a dead parrot for me in terms of sales and games played. I imagine a big shake up for 3rd edition is coming.

 Overread wrote:
GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

How do you know this? Could you share the sales data you obviously have access to? Cheers.

I don't collect either Slaanesh or DoK, but that boxset sure is tempting.

Was worth watching for the Necron video alone.

So, Slaanesh is coming. Goody. I guess GW finally manages to get me to buy an Underworlds core box. Hopefully, anyway. Figures they didn't show the models...

I knew I needed a Slaangor in my life, and the only cover of the box only reinforces that. I hope the model turns out well.

The Slaanesh lord is nice, though only comes in a battle box that I'm sure will be sold out very quickly. Box content looks pretty nice, though I don't really have a use for it aside from the Slaanesh lord. I'd use him for a 40k conversion, too. And somehow the word ayatollah comes to mind. Well, I'm sure I can get him separately next year. Big thumbs up for getting Slaaneshi mortals, though. Their number is hardly excessive, but it's a start.

The Warcry box looks neat. The warbands don't do anything for me, so I'll likely skip it, but it's good to see GW put more effort into the followup box for Warcry than they did for Kill Team.

The Lord of Pain is a nice sculpt I wish I had a use for. A bit over the top, but pretty Slaaneshy.

That was a good preview and a good amount of revealed items may end up in my shopping cart. Horus Heresy and 40k left me empty but other games delivered.

Horus Heresy: Personally I don't care. Terminators look ok I guess.
40k: Necron gunslinger is the worst new Necron model. I don't care about the book but the new terrain box looks tempting. If I have fun with terrain from Command Edition, this looks like a nice way to expand.
Orlocks: much, much better than Goliath and Escher additions. A fine addition to my pile of shame.
Warcry: Lava board and assorted gubbinz are highlight of the day for me. New Warbands are ok too. Day one purchase.
Underworlds: Not terribly excited about the Warbands featured in the boxed set but extremely happy to finally see Lizardmen!
Age of Sigmar: New models are cool and look fun to paint but Hedonites of Slaanesh range is plagued with awful Daemonettes and mortals. I hope that this precedes other new models though.

That Hexmark Destroyer is the right kind of crazy for me. I like when models end up with too many limbs. I feel like we need some special "Duel at High Noon" type rules for all the grimdark gunslingers that have been popping up in 40k lately.

Orlocks on my radar too. They were the first gang I bothered to paint in their entirety.

I'll be grabbing that Slaaneshi champion too. That guy looks great. Him and the underworlds mortals would make a great WarCry warband as well, which I believe I'll end up grabbing at some point too.

Damn GW and trying to suck up all my hobby money that I want to burn on 3D printing and kickstarters... mission accomplished I guess.

Big fat Meh from me.

Night Lords were pretty good, but I still don't like Forge World's new and clean Not!'Eavy Metal paint jobs.

Orlocks were... alright, but definitely the weakest of the Juvies for me.

Hexmark looks cool and at least it's not a Marine, but next.

Oh boy DLC books that should've been included in the corebook launched less than a month ago. Let's see how the shills defend this one.

More overpriced GW(tm) terrain. Next.

They're saying War Cry sold out beyond their expectations? Stores here were sending them back to GW before they yanked 'em off the webstore. I know none who plays it and haven't seen it played even. We've already seen the two warbands so NEXT.

Underworlds looks cool. No interest in the warbands provided but they were never going to put Cities of Sigmar in a coreset so I'm not too bothered. I didn't plan on using Kurnothi/Beastmen last time around but I did and enjoyed them, so I'll probably do the same here. Next.

Boxset for armies I don't collect (as if CoS is getting new models lmao), but Slaaneshi Mortals (well, one) is nice to see. I get the feeling it was a response to people panicking they were going to get squat'ed, which would've been odd considering the other three Chaos God books had mortals.

Not!PsychicAwakening eh? I'm not necessarily opposed to these style of books, but I remain sceptical how well they'll be written, but at least there's no Primaris-spank this time.

I for one, welcome 40k moving from the Gothic dark ages into the grim wild west. Adiós, Pardner.

"Make them bring their own terrain" was ITC's price for helping with 9th edition lol.

Overall cool stuff for specialist games, meh for the main two. Not looking forward to a dozen mandatory AoS splatbooks.

 Overread wrote:
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Also the box art shows Slaanesh - so this is the first new Slaanesh mortal models!

*Squees inaudibly*

I had a nice siesta instead of watching till the end. That new terrain set is nice, and makes me happy I didn't yet pull the trigger on the terrain set that was introduced with the #New40K starters. I reckon this has twice the amt of stuff in it, plus that new thingamajig, therefore its a better value set.

IME, when it comes to GW's terrain sets, they feel kinda overpriced and usually only feel worth their price when bought in the larger kit bundles instead of the single kits. But YMMV as usual.

After being exposed to this and the 40K 9th edition introductionary streams, I have decided I hate this presentation format, and will just happily wait until I can read the WHC recaps after the events. Too old for this ish.

Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

 Hollow wrote:

 Overread wrote:
GW is finding ways to get people to buy terrain kits from them which in the past is something that has sold fairly slowly to not at all.

How do you know this? Could you share the sales data you obviously have access to? Cheers.

It's something that was mentioned ages back in one of their twitch videos. Basically the staff talking about how historically the terrain sets didn't sell all that well compared to regular models and that getting gamers to part with money for terrain was a difficult thing to sell to them compared to selling models. Hence why GW has been doing so many different things with terrain to find ways to encourage the market to be more excited about it and to buy it in a greater volume.

I recall them saying that the nurgling plague trees were one of the first times they seriously started to see players buying terrain which set them off on the path toward faction terrain to the point where now most AoS factions have faction terrain and those that don't are an anomaly. Meanwhile we've seen the same creeping into 40K as well. Necrons and Marines are getting them now - Sisters of Battle, Nurgle, Eldar, Chaos, Tau, Genestealer Cults all have faction terrain. Heck again we see forces like Tyranids and Dark Eldar without any terrain being outliers.

 Arbitrator wrote:

tulun wrote:
Any bets tournaments are going to 100% ignore this bring your own terrain nonsense?

By 'bring your own terrain' it probably means official Games Workshop(tm) terrain pieces, not build-your-own with cardboard and plaster. In that respect I imagine most will follow it to the letter, along with making the DLC mission packs a mandatory purchase.

I'm pretty sure they won't, because that will be a big no-no from a majority of players. Building and painting an army is very expensive, and I don't see people spending money on GW's terrain they don't even like (that's my case, and i'm not alone), rather than more minis. With the 9th terrain rules, you will need to buy and bring 10 GW terrain to a tournament, and that's a LOT of money.

I'm not even talking of carrying a whole army PLUS 10 terrains stuff in the subway or the bus or whatever.

And as I said, imagine if a player forget some terrain at home? Plus, when i'm paying for a tournament, or a club, I expect to have proper game tables when I come to the event, and when I say proper game table, I mean a table with terrain on it, because what's up next? Will we need to bring a whole 44*60 game table on our back to the tournament too? ^^

Any guesses on prices yet?

I'm guessing the Warcry box will be the same as the first boxed set since its basically the same type of contents.

The new duel pack for DoK and Slaanesh seems to have around £97.50 for DoK models and £80.50 for Slaanesh. Add on around £40 for the two new leaders (I'd not expect them more than £20 each) and I'd say it could be a set worth between £100 and £120 at most at retail.