I'd like to keep KS news separate from the main Reaper News thread, so let's keep it here.

https://www.reapermini.com/KS/BONES6



"Tales from the Green Griffin"

It opens March 31, 2022 and they've been stealthfully leaking models out as freebys with March orders.

You can see some here

https://www.facebook.com/ReaperMini

Hopefully it's minis from the tales that adventurers tell each other at this inn, and not just a bunch of hero minis that would be at the inn itself!

I wouldn't mind a full tavern set at Bones prices... other than that I am not sure if I will be in this that much. I will still try and back the 1st minute to get wave 1... cuz... tradition... but other than a tavern or another ship, I am not sure what I really need. I havent used any of the stuff i got in Bones 5 in my games.. but I didnt get a whole lot... just the ship and some encounter sets.

I have used the Ogres, Giants and bugbears quite a bit from earlier KS... Maybe if they have some really big giants (Gargant sized) or something like that...

I'm hoping for more of the cyberpunk/Shadowrun stuff they did last year. But the announced theme does not give me much hope.

They showed off the video of the huge dragon in the KS on Facebook about 2 weeks ago. I'll get that at least as it's really nice looking but outside of that we'll have to see. I haven't backed a core set since Bones 2.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I'm hoping for more of the cyberpunk/Shadowrun stuff they did last year. But the announced theme does not give me much hope.

They always have several add on sets that don't match the theme and there's always a modern/sci-fi. You might get a few cyberpunk figures but I'd be surprised, and happy, if it was a full $50 set.

Mrs. GG have been happy with Bones 4 and 5 so keen to see what Bones 6 has to offer. I just wish we had gotten that Chronoscope set in Bones 5. Lesson learned.

The delay just feels way too long for me to ever commit much money to the project.

Two years is a looong time in hobby land.

Yes, but on the plus side, they always seem to deliver.

That's another big reason I don't pledge as much. The long waits for pretty generic things that 90% will reach retail isn't an incentive to back.

Saving some good money on larger figures or sets I know I will end up getting is about the only reasons and I tend to just pledge $1 and then spend when the PM is about to close which tend to be around 8-9 months before delivery.

> Saving some good money on larger figures or sets

That's a good move. If you know what you want, buy that instead of the bulk assortment. Pre-Bones Black, Reaper said one reason for Bones was to create large figures at prices the market would accept. Nobody's going to pay $36 per model for an encounter with several hill giants.

Core set screencap. Assortment looks similar to Bones I-V. Core goes for $125. I'm spoiled by the lower Bones I-IV prices, and note that the "fodder" miniatures this year are zombies. Have too many of those (CMON, Mantic, etc.), and preferred the various humanoid races and weapon loads of previous KS. Assortment looks less novelty-oriented than last Bones, though. IIRC, It's all in Bones Black? Still, a good addition for anyone without a ton of zombies, and prices to be expected with today's global situation.

This may be the weakest opening core set yet. Even with lots of great stretch goals, I don’t think I can justify pledging for the core.

Agreed. It's not very enticing but lets be honest that the majority of people backing for the core set know it will be 3x that amount and are buying for the bulk more then what's in it.

I'm guessing that the tavern themed stuff will all be in the $50 expansion sets (probably just one or one + terrain).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
This may be the weakest opening core set yet. Even with lots of great stretch goals, I don’t think I can justify pledging for the core.

Agreed. Those zombies are pretty awful and most of the rest looks like it was plucked from the 90's. I do like the halfling on the copper dragon and the bog golem or whatever that thing is. The rock golem with the spikey hands looks stupid, but kind of endearingly so. If I end up with it I'll be painting it to look like a Marge Simpson.

Did they decide not to produce the ship for retail? I wanted to wait and see how much it sagged before I got one.

I feel like anyone who wanted a legion of cheap generic zombies probably bought a Zombicide set or two, or just some of the perfectly adequate Mantic zombie sprues.

Looks like 16 zombies with 4 repeating poses? And I always think repeating poses are particularly noticeable for zombies because their silhouette is so uncanny inherently.

This is a good thing, because unless some pretty good ones show up, this saves me a core set. Those zombies already were in the previous one and I've always had a bit of a dislike of duplicates. As for the rest, it's impossible to tell with the poor image quality.

That's, uh, that's not looking that good in comparison to a 200$ resin printer.

Hang on has Bones 5 been delivered yet? Mine hasn't arrived...

It should be mostly delivered I think. I got mine ages (as in, last year) ago.

Got my Bones 5 stuff in August 2021, also in the UK.

I received my initial pledge, but haven't heard diddly about my late pledge.

And that had two ships in it.

My last update to my order was in July last year (yes, getting a ship). That might have delayed things?

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Hang on has Bones 5 been delivered yet? Mine hasn't arrived...

Bones 5.5 hasn't arrived yet, if you never got 5.0 and you closed you pledge properly during the campaign window, contact Reaper.


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 ced1106 wrote:
> Saving some good money on larger figures or sets

That's a good move. If you know what you want, buy that instead of the bulk assortment. Pre-Bones Black, Reaper said one reason for Bones was to create large figures at prices the market would accept. Nobody's going to pay $36 per model for an encounter with several hill giants.

Core set screencap. Assortment looks similar to Bones I-V. Core goes for $125. I'm spoiled by the lower Bones I-IV prices, and note that the "fodder" miniatures this year are zombies. Have too many of those (CMON, Mantic, etc.), and preferred the various humanoid races and weapon loads of previous KS. Assortment looks less novelty-oriented than last Bones, though. IIRC, It's all in Bones Black? Still, a good addition for anyone without a ton of zombies, and prices to be expected with today's global situation.

This looks underwhelming, but...

The Core set will be massive, and a bargain by past account. The higher price does not faze me as all prices are headed that way.

Also if there is too much junk and not enough good stuff one can buy items from the core set separately and the solo price is reasonable, if the separate pieces amount up to a significant portion of $125 USD it pays to just get the core, you can always give away the excess. Reaper are noted for the large number of junk miniatures in their sets. I have masses of unwanted junk Reaper miniatures from previous Bones campaigns, but each as packed with something else worth the price and then some.

My Bones expenditure has roughly doubled each time since my first dip with Bones 3, I missed the first two or I would have sunk cash earlier. Bones 5 probably praked out for me, I am likely to spend about the same on Bones 6, but it depends what is on offer.

Will watch with interest.

The core set will probably end up at 120-150 minis or more, just like the previous ones.
The initial 30 have always been slightly underwhelming, but the strech goals fall rapidly during the first and the last days.

I Got the core in 1-4... Got 2 cores each in 2, 3 and 4. Bones 4 was my biggest at just under $1000. Bones 5 was my smallest at just over $200 and was the first time i skipped the core set. Will likely skip Bones 6's core set too. Though there are a couple in that Core set that i might buy as addons... like the gnome on Dragon.

Hmm, should I order a huge bucket of bones miniatures for delivery some time in the future or should I get round to painting the core sets from the two Bone Kickstarters that I have already backed. Its a real head vs heart clash.

Ah they have now emailed everyone talking about shipping and production problems for Bones 5.

The_Real_Chris wrote:
Ah they have now emailed everyone talking about shipping and production problems for Bones 5.

Oh ? I didn't see that. Maybe because I didn't order more when they reopened the PM ?

I'm torn about Bones 6. I've backed every Bones KS but to a lesser degree in each successive one.
However, the delay of 4, the built-in protracted wait for 5 (that was still delayed) and the gobs of unneeded minis make the KS campaign process much less appealing to me nowadays. I'm having trouble justifying paying over two years in advance for something I might no longer be interested in when it arrives, in general or because something I like better has come out in the interim, as in the case of the Wizkids and Pathfinder minis.
I'm torn because I've been a Reaper fan for decades but, realistically, I suppose I need to admit I have enough minis.

I think the kickstarter core sets were always meant to appeal to a certain magpie nature, and they don't really stack up as the best way to spend hobby dollars. I will say that when I picked up Rangers of Shadow Deep over covid, or IK RPG years before that, being able to just dig out usable minis from my stash was pretty cool. The last one I backed fully was bones 1, I think, and I still have unpainted stuff from that set. As the quality has gone up, I could see splashing for a core set again.

I'm also keeping half an eye on the planned Gloomhaven minis kickstarter. I've held off on Gloomhaven since I have an allergy to standees... but with minis?

> and the gobs of unneeded minis make the KS campaign process much less appealing to me nowadays.

Same here. Basic economics is that utility generally decreases with each incremental purchase.

> I'm having trouble justifying paying over two years in advance for something I might no longer be interested in when it arrives, in general or because something I like better has come out in the interim, as in the case of the Wizkids and Pathfinder minis.

I think that's a standard risk for KS. I don't buy anything that "you only need one of" or something that a big box store might carry (eg. a coffee maker, blender, clothing) because, by the time it comes out (especially with delays), a better version of it will be out there.

> I've been a Reaper fan for decades

You can still buy their retail miniatures! (: Make sure you're a fan because they give you the miniatures you want, not because you wish they were better!

> I'm also keeping half an eye on the planned Gloomhaven minis kickstarter.

BTW, Anyone know who's the creator? Sure hope it's not Blacklist Games!

And here's an (old) email from Reaper's manufacturer in China for Bones 5.5. Sure, Bones VI production is months from now, but did you think, two years ago, that CoVid's disruption of supply chains and increases in shipping costs would be like it is now?

"I trust you are all doing well, but the situation in China is getting worse due to the Omicron pandemic. In Dongguan, where over 50% of the world’s toys are produced and our factory is situated has been locked today to March 21, 2022. No production nor logistic activities are allowed and so we have no choice but to shut down our production. The labor shortage situation has been improving but this shutdown will derange our production planning’s. I hope we can resume production on March 22, but I really don’t know. Some orders will be delayed but we will do our best to keep the ship date we promised. We will do the best we can."

Kudos to Reaper for posting this on their forums. They didn't have to, especially a week before their next KS. I'm still backing some "Made in China" KS, but I'd still yellow flag a KS until I knew they didn't have to manufacturer or use supplies overseas. (Even .stl KS use plastic and resin from China...)

Launches tomorrow at 12PM CDT (6PM BST).



Apparently there are no waves this time as it didn’t work well last time.

I’ll be a la carting some of those Mausoleums and some other bits but I’ve yet to see a Bones core set that interested me.

Yea don't spend more on Made in China KSs than you can afford to lose, seriously.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Yea don't spend more on Made in China KSs than you can afford to lose, seriously.

Don't spend more on anything than you can afford to lose.

Do they have one of pre-campaign pages set up?

 warboss wrote:
Do they have one of pre-campaign pages set up?

No, just a sign-up for email notification on launch.

At any rate, woo! Heavily discounted plastic crack!

I’ll keep an eye on it. I’ve backed all five so far but not the core sets since 2. But cheap dragons etc are hard to pass on.

Deeply regret not getting the boat last time out.

It’s a shame they will still be out sourcing to China, given how much in house production they do these days. The bones USA line is pretty good and expanding by the month.

 Tamereth wrote:
I’ll keep an eye on it. I’ve backed all five so far but not the core sets since 2. But cheap dragons etc are hard to pass on.

Deeply regret not getting the boat last time out.

It’s a shame they will still be out sourcing to China, given how much in house production they do these days. The bones USA line is pretty good and expanding by the month.

Yeah, I would pay more for less to not have China involved. I want my plastic crack homegrown.

It is LIVE

(and backed of course)

With absolutely zero information for non US backers.

Link https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

The ants look nice. That's about all that have caught my eye.

The volume of miniatures for this KS prohibits them from casting KS miniatures locally. However, reprint numbers are lower, so expect retail reprints to be cast locally in SioCast. You can already pick up some Reaper miniatures in SioCast in their Bones USA lines.
Review: https://truelineofsight.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/reaper-bones-usa-product-review/
Reaper: https://www.reapermini.com/bonesusa

amuller33 did some crunching, and found the cost per mini in the core sets. Bones 1 was a steal, especially since you could trade in a limited metal miniature for additional credit to get more plastic. Bones 5 had the price increase from $100 to $120. I think some of the CMON non-IP KS were better deals, although you obviously needed to like the sculpts (eg. undead gunslingers, mutant Care Bears). Shipping prices are expected to go up, yet retail still offers free shipping.

I had a count of 188 for Bones 4 .. if you counted all the little skulls, orbs and gargoyle bits indivdually

So excluding the bits from 4...approx Price per mini is
B1 41 cents
B2 50 cents
B3 65 cents
B4 61 cents
B5 79 cents

INCREDIBLE VALUE for all 5 and I expect B6 to be no worse. Sure they have gone up a touch BUT they are better quality IMHO and well inflation dude. Every time I say I have enough I think under $1 per mini... I can not miss this oppertuinity.

Looking forward to seeing the stretch goals, I've backed 4 of the last Bones kickstarters but I am left wondering

....why does the ant queen have wings?

ced1106 wrote:The volume of miniatures for this KS prohibits them from casting KS miniatures locally. However, reprint numbers are lower, so expect retail reprints to be cast locally in SioCast. You can already pick up some Reaper miniatures in SioCast in their Bones USA lines.
Review: https://truelineofsight.wordpress.com/2022/03/03/reaper-bones-usa-product-review/
Reaper: https://www.reapermini.com/bonesusa

amuller33 did some crunching, and found the cost per mini in the core sets. Bones 1 was a steal, especially since you could trade in a limited metal miniature for additional credit to get more plastic. Bones 5 had the price increase from $100 to $120. I think some of the CMON non-IP KS were better deals, although you obviously needed to like the sculpts (eg. undead gunslingers, mutant Care Bears). Shipping prices are expected to go up, yet retail still offers free shipping.

I had a count of 188 for Bones 4 .. if you counted all the little skulls, orbs and gargoyle bits indivdually

So excluding the bits from 4...approx Price per mini is
B1 41 cents
B2 50 cents
B3 65 cents
B4 61 cents
B5 79 cents

INCREDIBLE VALUE for all 5 and I expect B6 to be no worse. Sure they have gone up a touch BUT they are better quality IMHO and well inflation dude. Every time I say I have enough I think under $1 per mini... I can not miss this oppertuinity.

The older Bones kickstarters were long enough ago you have to look at inflation. So unless those numbers have that taken into account they're off when comparing to Bones 6,

Bones 1 $100 in 2012 is $123.57 today.

Bones 2 $100 in 2013 is $121.79 today.

The Red Hobbit wrote:Looking forward to seeing the stretch goals, I've backed 4 of the last Bones kickstarters but I am left wondering

....why does the ant queen have wings?

Because for a lot of species queen ants do have wings.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
With absolutely zero information for non US backers.

Yup, no idea if they even ship to the UK or how much it will cost. Helpful

There are some fun minis mixed in, but not enough so far to pledge. The ants are the big winner for me.

I wonder why they have a gnoll expansion without (re)using their iconic Tre Manor gnoll sculpts?

I thought the Tre Gnolls were moved to bones years ago

I wonder if it will meet its funding goal.

/joking.

I found this pretty interesting:



...but not enough for me to risk a KS. I'm still wary of them in general because I'm an old Luddite.

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I found this pretty interesting:



...but not enough for me to risk a KS. I'm still wary of them in general because I'm an old Luddite.

At this point you could just buy a Frostgrave kit?

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I thought the Tre Gnolls were moved to bones years ago

at least some of the (5?, 6? ) were during bones 1 as i remember painting them among my first bones figures?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I found this pretty interesting:



...but not enough for me to risk a KS. I'm still wary of them in general because I'm an old Luddite.

At this point you could just buy a Frostgrave kit?

Ideally, this would get released separately for me to buy in addition to a Frostgrave kit

They've been playing with this more recently--the IMEF bulldog power armors come with an alternate arm for each side now. The gnoll set looks interesting, core set has maybe two interesting things for me, so thats likely a wait for retail.

The brinewind pirates look good and I always tend to pick that setting stuff up.

 lord_blackfang wrote:



At this point you could just buy a Frostgrave kit?

These should, hopefully, be a larger scale then the frostgrave stuff which are too small and overscaled hands/heads for my taste. Got one kit and they just look like tall halflings net to most of my minis.

For what it's worth the current core set.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I found this pretty interesting:



...but not enough for me to risk a KS. I'm still wary of them in general because I'm an old Luddite.

At this point you could just buy a Frostgrave kit?

Do they offer all of those options for each of the minis? If not, they are well over $2 a mini, which makes fantasy plastics like Frostgrave, and especially historical miniatures, cheaper and more versatile.


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 Monkeysloth wrote:
I thought the Tre Gnolls were moved to bones years ago

Yes, in old Bones 1 Bones. They even had another sculptor rework Tre’s gnoll a for the second campaign to give them new weapons and poses while keeping them in the same design lineage. This is an opportunity to port them over to Bones Black/USA, and have a better quality product to match the higher prices. Why make a Bones Black mini of a, frankly, mediocre gnoll?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 KidCthulhu wrote:
I found this pretty interesting:



...but not enough for me to risk a KS. I'm still wary of them in general because I'm an old Luddite.

At this point you could just buy a Frostgrave kit?

Do they offer all of those options for each of the minis? If not, they are well over $2 a mini, which makes fantasy plastics like Frostgrave, and especially historical miniatures, cheaper and more versatile.

But there's something nostalgic about the men-at-arms. Is it the fact that they have limited poses?? Or that even then they're stiffly posed? Or that there's only a single body? The goofy helmet and proportions?
I can't tell, but they make me feel like a kid looking at those old monopose GW Warhammer Fantasy boxes, but with options!

Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

Fireforge are like 25mm tall though. So useless for people who mainly collect Reaper.

Looking at kicktraq Bones 6 looks to be tracking more with Bones 4 vs 5 (which is the highest earner of all of the reaper campaigns). This is notable as every campaign as grown some, even if marginally, and while we're just through day 1 the first 2-3 days are pretty important.

Bones 4 brought in almost the exact same it's last 2-3 days as it made in it's first 2-3 days. Bones 5, on the other hand, followed a more standard Tabletop model with it's last few days pulling in about half what the first few days earned.

Neither of these projects got many new backers the last few days as almost all that money came from existing backers checking for what was unlocked and upping pledges.

If B6 follows B4's model we're still looking at a very good chance of 3million. If we're seeing a campaign similar to B5 then we're looking at half that number.

$527k from 4,222 backers for Bones 6 https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin/#chart-daily

$1 million from 9,294 backers for Bones 5 https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/reaperbones5/reaper-miniatures-bones-5-escape-from-pizza-dungeon/#chart-daily

$556k from 5,388 backers for Bones 4 https://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1513061270/reaper-miniatures-bones-4-mr-bones-epic-adventure/#chart-daily

Earlier bones KS campaigns don't have daily data on Kicktraq so sadly it's hard to see what the common trend data for these are.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

Fireforge are like 25mm tall though. So useless for people who mainly collect Reaper.

You must be thinking of a different Fireforge, Fireforge is GW scale.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

Fireforge are like 25mm tall though. So useless for people who mainly collect Reaper.

You must be thinking of a different Fireforge, Fireforge is GW scale.

He probably means their old historicals which are smaller than their fantasy range, and modern historicals.

Mrs. GG and I happily backed Reaper Bones 5 and enjoyed it so much we tracked down a second hand Reaper Bones 4. Excellent value.

So my first thought was that of course we would back Reaper Bones 6… but given fulfillment is scheduled for April 2024 and any investment in Chinese production given the current state of the world is a gamble… I am not so sure we will back and if we do back whether we will back big or not.

I still regret not getting the Bones 5 Chronoscope add-on.

I knew I would back in some fashion, but was not gonna get the core set. But they stated that the core set will not be split up this time... So I am currently in for the core, so I guess their strategy worked at least on me...

It does mean that I will not be able to get multiples of the stuff I would want to get for encounters... like the Ants, I would want 3 or 4 of those sets... oh well.

This one seems to be going slower than 5 did.

 Smokestack wrote:
This one seems to be going slower than 5 did.

Well, for starters, they are completely ignoring the existence of the world outside the USA.

Also, in the 3 years or so since Bones 5, home printing at wargaming miniature quality has gone from nonexistent to trivial.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, for starters, they are completely ignoring the existence of the world outside the USA.

Also, in the 3 years or so since Bones 5, home printing at wargaming miniature quality has gone from nonexistent to trivial.

Asked them about international shipping, etc, on Twitter - got the following response: "There is a section on the bottom regarding international shipping. There will also be an update regarding international shipping and multiple sections in the FAQ."
Source - https://twitter.com/reapermini/status/1509923473203867652?s=20&t=CYOk_Y1Rc5nQAbq8ovIHIQ

On re-reading with a magnifying glass, there is some information about import duty, etc, but it certainly isn't as clear as, say, Bones 4 was.

And while home 3D printing is certainly easier these days than it has ever been, I'd be wary of labeling it as "trivial".

I might go for the pub and some of the unarmed models...

I was disappointed to see the Crypt is part of a $50 expansion but the rest of the contents including the vampires and giant skeleton have convinced me.



and Egyptian expansion coming up - 70mm tall

I'm going to save my dry Kickstarter powder for Anastyr by Mythic rather than this.

I just don't like Reaper's sculpting style. It seems really... Dated.

But if they offer something as cool as the pirate ship, they could likely lure me back in.

As dated as some of their sculpts are, I think the Egyptian set means I’m in.

Hopefully the scattered gems among the other expansions will make it to retail someday. I gave up waiting on the gems from the last two campaigns.

Has anybody seen any news or posts that they are going to make some of the bones products from the earlier Kickstarter's available through this one?

I'd love to go back and get another Overgourd in addition to some of these goodies...

> The older Bones kickstarters were long enough ago you have to look at inflation.

Yahbut CMON's Zombicide: Undead or Alive's core set was $100 for 160+ miniatures, the same price as previous CMON KS through the years.

The smaller Optional buys are $14 for six plastic mini's. Expansions have a lower volume than core, but $2 for a human-sized mini is too much for me.

> It does mean that I will not be able to get multiples of the stuff I would want to get for encounters..

I'm seeing some flak from posters in the Reaper KS forum Enthusiast thread about the lack of core splits, and, in Bones V (?) Reaper initially said they wouldn't split the core, but they did. Pledge $1 and post in the KS comments, or post in the Reaper KS forum Enthusiasm thread!

> On re-reading with a magnifying glass, there is some information about import duty, etc, but it certainly isn't as clear as, say, Bones 4 was.

I was initially surprised that, for a company the size of Reaper, the shipping rates were "well, you're on your own, bub". That said, shipping prices have increased dramatically within the fulfillment window of a KS (and Reaper is owned by accountants), so I'm not surprised that Reaper is saying they aren't going to provide a shipping cost.

> I was disappointed to see the Crypt is part of a $50 expansion

fwiw, The larger obsidian crypt from a previous KS is available retail, for $24 on Amazon. Almost free shipping!
https://www.amazon.com/Reaper-Miniatures-Obsidian-Unpainted-Building/dp/B073X244LJ

> Has anybody seen any news or posts that they are going to make some of the bones products from the earlier Kickstarter's available through this one?

No, but sometimes the "multiples" in the core set (eg. humanoids) are from previous KS. In Bones VI, this would be the zombies, which were in the Bones V core set. Maybe the Reaper forums KS Enthusiam thread can give you a better answer.

> I'm going to save my dry Kickstarter powder for Anastyr by Mythic rather than this.

I already spent it on MonPoc and the Noble Knight sale. Over a hundred things to not get around to painting arriving tomorrow!

Even though I didn't like the core assortment of Bones V (not to mention price increase) vs. Bones IV, Bones V did better in funding and number of backers. Personally, I prefer the Bones VI core assortment with its fewer novelty miniatures that won't find play in my RPGs or miniature skirmish games, despite the zombies (already have a ton of them) and mudmen (never appeared in my games). For $125, I think my breaking point will be 200+ miniatures -- not that I should be buying a few hundred more miniatures that I won't get to painting or gaming with...

Undead group, part 5.. Are those Armored Ogre skeletons by the giant? They seem quite chonky, under the full plate

Wow. The next stretch goal is titled “Mongrelfolk”. They could have just called them mutants, but no. And the backstory of humans mating with Orcs and bugbears, and inbreeding. Seems like a lot of the kinds of “unfortunate implications” that have embarrassed the RPG community lately.


MYbe it’s just me, but when I see the word mongrel applied to a human, it reminds of of Lovecraft, but not in the good way.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Wow. The next stretch goal is titled “Mongrelfolk”. They could have just called them mutants, but no. And the backstory of humans mating with Orcs and bugbears, and inbreeding. Seems like a lot of the kinds of “unfortunate implications” that have embarrassed the RPG community lately.


MYbe it’s just me, but when I see the word mongrel applied to a human, it reminds of of Lovecraft, but not in the good way.

Seems to be just them trying to create their own brand of beastmen? It didn't jump out to me as problematic. Lovecraft didn't write about medieval fantasy settings did he? I'm not overly familiar with his work.

There's an obscure D&D monster called Mongrel Men (MM2 maybe?) which is just what you're referring to, mixes of various humanoid races, plus mutation and magic. Which is what I guess they're doing.

I can see where someone might seize on it, mongrel (meaning a mixed breed dog) has been an insult for people of mixed race. Hopefully nothing will come of it, there's enough real problems in the world without dwelling on the correct way to refer to people who are 1/4 fishman, 1/4 halfling, 3/16 gnoll and 1/3 human.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
There's an obscure D&D monster called Mongrel Men (MM2 maybe?) which is just what you're referring to, mixes of various humanoid races, plus mutation and magic. Which is what I guess they're doing.

I can see where someone might seize on it, mongrel (meaning a mixed breed dog) has been an insult for people of mixed race. Hopefully nothing will come of it, there's enough real problems in the world without dwelling on the correct way to refer to people who are 1/4 fishman, 1/4 halfling, 3/16 gnoll and 1/3 human.

I remember them as being from AD&D in my youth… and as soon as I saw the text description on the KS I knew some folks these days would take offense at them. Quite surprising Reaper does not appear to have anticipated that.

Mongrel Men are up. Yeah, at least one is a direct lift of the old MM2 art.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

I’m sure it’s a regional thing. Where I live, the term is loaded with negative connotations. Similarly, when people use “ornery” (esp pronounced “awnry”) to refer to (certain) other people, in this area it is considered inappropriate.

Lovecraft used “mongrel” to refer to mixed race human beings who are almost uniformly up to no good. He was not the only one. I’m not as familiar with old AD&D as I am with OC bigotry, so that was the connection I made.

 DaveC wrote:


and Egyptian expansion coming up - 70mm tall

Oh, that looks like it would be great for Of Gods and Mortals! Can they do that for Athena and Artemis too please?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
There are some fun minis mixed in, but not enough so far to pledge. The ants are the big winner for me.

I wonder why they have a gnoll expansion without (re)using their iconic Tre Manor gnoll sculpts?

Tre's gnolls are ironically too big. They look great, but don't even remotely fit on a 25 (or even 30)mm base. Gnolls are roughly man-sized.

I like Tre's gnolls, even if they are a smidge big. I mount them on 32mm bases and they work great for my dungeon crawl.

Same ditto. Here they are vs. an old Reaper metal, and some GW Advanced Heroquest guys.

Pic is from a Song of Blades and Hero battle report for a scenario I'm using with the Juegorama miniatures:
https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/98521-song-of-blade-and-heroes-scenarios-for-juegorama-miniatures-undead-and-aberrations/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/juegorama/the-adventurers-and-monsters-28mm-plastic-miniatures-edition



As for mongrelmen, afaik, their early appearances were in D&D 2nd edition with the, imo, "mostly awful with a few good original ideas" Monster Manual II, and later entirely forgettable brown-cover splatbooks, alongside the ever-famous saurial, swanmay, and wemic. Seriously, how many poorly-developed cannon fodder humanoids do we need? Most of these animal-based humanoids could have been folded into a catch-all definition of beastmen or mutants or mutant beastmen or beast mutant men...

Man, this has been a snoozefest of a campaign. Daily totals about half of Bones 5 by similar day out, and total funding about half a million less by the 7th day of the campaign.

Hopefully Reaper pull something interesting out of their hat.

Is Reaper Bones reaching market saturation, or have they just put out less interesting stuff than past campaigns? My opinion is the latter.

There seems to be a lot of emphasis on cute, lighter (thematically) fantasy. No judgement of those who enjoy such things, just trying to find a broad explanation of what I don't like about the campaign.

There's not much diversity in the line, some gems but nothing that makes me scream I need it now.

I've heard a rumor that sci fi has been low selling and there won't be a modern/sci fi add on this time.

As always, we shall see.

Well I like the pub. Currently I am just going to get that, then Boren, Dragoth and maybe toil and trouble for Blood Bowl team staff.

Yeah, the pub is really cool. The graveyard/undead would be appealing if I didn't already have a ton of undead and graveyard stuff, some of which is from a previous reaper bones kickstarter. Or if I needed a skeleton giant.

There's some cutesy stuff in the core set I don't really like, but not that much. And I usually don't want most of the stuff in the core set. With the core set, either they do random adventurers/common monsters that everyone already has more of than they'll ever need if they've ever gotten a previous core set, or they do something totally off-the-wall like giant ants or chibi adventurers, which few people actually want.

Well, nothing has really excited me in this so far... which seems to be a common complaint this time. I didnt get a core set in 5... So I think I will get the core this time. Nothing I really need but its not a bad set either... Other than the core, I am thinking the green Grififn Expansion...

I want to like the multipart guys, but they seem expensive for what you get. 6 figures... with the same 3 options given 2x... So You can only make 2 with bow, 2 with sword and shield and 2 with greatsword... actually "can" is the wrong word as you have to make that combo as its all the arms that come with them...

You can probably still late pledge here for a comparable price and product but in HIPS, oh and it comes with about 30 sprues of terrain too

For me, Bones has hit saturation. There are so many available through retail, and I have so many from previous campaigns, that I don’t feel a need for the core set. I usually get the Sci Fi set, although I skipped one that was like half steampunk and Victorian SF, making the bundle too expensive for what I would get.

I’m still waiting to see what comes in the Egyptian expansion in this campaign. All the other expansions are total snoozefests, and the so far unseen demon expansion looks like more of the same.

Also, it’s been how many years and Reaper hasn’t upped their sculpting game? Too many of these minis just look bad.

 Smokestack wrote:

I want to like the multipart guys, but they seem expensive for what you get. 6 figures... with the same 3 options given 2x... So You can only make 2 with bow, 2 with sword and shield and 2 with greatsword... actually "can" is the wrong word as you have to make that combo as its all the arms that come with them...

Yes, especially when frostgrave boxes exist.

I like the ant encounter in the Core Set. The Queen with transparent wings should be fun. I kind of wish the ants were bigger (ie Them!) but I suppose they could be worker ants and if I find bigger ants I like they could be soldier ants.

What is Ariyln carrying?


Oh and like the houndmaster.

I'm not really sure how they can reach saturation. It's a generic fantasy line mostly for RPGs. If Bones reached saturation so has pretty much every fantasy line as it means there's nothing new that isn't already available and we know that's not true.

I think the issue is the core sets are too scattershot for what the current availability of cheap minis are -- they're trying to cast a wide net with the core box but the randomness of what they're offering just isn't enticing due to what's already available. When they announced the Inn theme I figured the core box would just be a giant themed inn interior and possibly exterior -- Which I think people would eat up. I think future bones campaigns should be 100% themed.

It's Snaptooth and the Redcaps that sold it for me.

I'm in....



Again.

Beefolk? I don't recall personally seeing that in fantasy until going back to classic He-Man figs. Nice!

Extra Ants add on



They’ve also previewed some of the Denizens expansion on Twitch (Salamanders might be an encounter pack instead)

Love the new ruler dude!

He's the giant tortoise herder recast as a scale guy.

Lobsters and ants... Elden Ring approved!

Hakir expansion is something I desperately need. I really hope we unlock it all.

You would almost certainly be better off just buying Ankh or one of its expansions if you need Egyptian style creatures rather than this bones expansion.

Ankh has truly amazing miniatures.

This campaign has been such a dud for me I realized I haven't even put in a dollar yet...

Glad that it is doing something for many other people, different preferences and all, but it is just not working for me.

Pretty much every 3d print artist has an egyptian set also.

Core set looking good, but still waiting for CMON level of price per mini. China's still under lockdown, so am on the fence.

If you're looking for desert tiles, take a look at the Terra Tiles project on Gamefound! Not cheap because of world supply chain and shipping issues.

This campaign is still very meh, and only plodding alone.

It really needs some really good add ons to boost excitement and pledge levels. They keep teasing stuff but it all seems too far out that the campaign won’t hit the numbers needed to unlock stuff.

> I'm not really sure how they can reach saturation.

Made some heroes for Lasting Tales, and dug through my Bones I-IV collection.

IMO, Main problem is that, unless you go for 3D or interchangeable parts (eg. Osprey's Frostgrave sprues), a company may not have a demand for a particular unusual loadout. Specifically, I have two Elven Rangers with a Crossbow and Spear. Yeah, good luck with that. At the same time, the "classic" poses, such as an elven ranger with a sword and bow, have several versions with the same loadout (although two of each gender makes sense).

I figure we have three audiences for miniatures, at least for the "I want my miniature to look like my character" gamers:
* RPG'ers: I want one miniature that looks like my character.
* Miniature skirmish: I want a few miniatures that match these stat blocks.
* Army: I want many miniatures that I can afford.

Since I've backed Bones I-IV and other miniature KS, I can field five or ten elven rangers with bows and swords. So not only have I reached saturation, but I also don't have miniatures I'm looking for, unless I pay $5 plus shipping for a specific model or sprue set.

I can definitely proxy (saves me a paint job) so this, of course, is the firstest of the most first world problems but it also means I'm not backing Bones VI yet, since I have plenty of "classic" pose models.

I own Ankh, yet I’m still hoping the Tombs of Hakir expansions makes it. The Reaper versions of Anubis and Wadjet are different enough (better even) from the Ankh versions to make them worthwhile, while the gateway and scorpions will make their way into Shadows of Brimstone or something, and the sarcophagus has a date with with the Tau’ri.

Currently at $1.1 million, 7 days to go.

30th anniversary Dragon added as a $1.5 million goal.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

They added that Tawaret miniature at a good time!

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

Fireforge are like 25mm tall though. So useless for people who mainly collect Reaper.

You must be thinking of a different Fireforge, Fireforge is GW scale.

GW has different scales in use. Human Imperial Guard are, last i checked, still basically 'heroic 25mm', but newer releases are trending taller and taller.

One annoying thing is that GW tends to repsent stronger/more important characters -even just the captains/champions in a unit- as being slightly larger. This can be seen a lot in the warcry boxes.


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I've decided to back it (my first for a reaper kick starter) because i am curious about those multi parts guys, and i would really love if they make they not-Conan minis available as add ons since it seems like 2 out of three wont make it into the core set. (which I'm not getting any way)

Carlovonsexron wrote:

One annoying thing is that GW tends to repsent stronger/more important characters -even just the captains/champions in a unit- as being slightly larger. This can be seen a lot in the warcry boxes.

The "scale by rank" in Warcry is indeed obnoxious

For Bones, I think that the target audiences are collectors and GMs. The collectors just want piles of minis that look nice and as a GM, you're mostly looking for minis for encounters. There of course is a lot of overlap between the two, but I think that GMs are the majority of the big buyers.

> and as a GM, you're mostly looking for minis for encounters

That's true. Reaper said the personalities attract attention, from painters, but it's the minions who sell.

Which makes the Bones VI core "free" sculpts of zombies an odd choice. Not only did Reaper offer the same miniatures in their last core set, but any GM who's been collecting miniatures (eg. Zombicide: Black Plague) already has a ton of zombie miniatures, Not everyone, but CMON. I count four different sets of zombie sculpts in their previous Bones KS -- and have three of them, plus zombies from CMON and Mantic. At least with humanoid and skeleton sculpts, you can differentiate them with weapons (and armor). An orc with a hand weapon is different from an orc with a ranged weapon is different from an orc shaman. A skeleton in full plate can represent a more powerful skeleton (eg. elite in Gloomhaven). But zombies don't wield weapons or cast spells (and only modern zombies run), so a fantasy zombie is pretty much the same as another fantasy zombie.

If you want a bulk set of mini's, oriented towards towns, the Archon Village late pledge should still be a good price.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-third-edition/description

 ced1106 wrote:
> and as a GM, you're mostly looking for minis for encounters

That's true. Reaper said the personalities attract attention, from painters, but it's the minions who sell.

Which makes the Bones VI core "free" sculpts of zombies an odd choice. Not only did Reaper offer the same miniatures in their last core set, but any GM who's been collecting miniatures (eg. Zombicide: Black Plague) already has a ton of zombie miniatures, Not everyone, but CMON. I count four different sets of zombie sculpts in their previous Bones KS -- and have three of them, plus zombies from CMON and Mantic. At least with humanoid and skeleton sculpts, you can differentiate them with weapons (and armor). An orc with a hand weapon is different from an orc with a ranged weapon is different from an orc shaman. A skeleton in full plate can represent a more powerful skeleton (eg. elite in Gloomhaven). But zombies don't wield weapons or cast spells (and only modern zombies run), so a fantasy zombie is pretty much the same as another fantasy zombie.

If you want a bulk set of mini's, oriented towards towns, the Archon Village late pledge should still be a good price.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/archonstudio/dungeons-and-lasers-third-edition/description

I agree with your points.

For sure the zombies were a misstep. Reaction to them so far everywhere I have seen has been cold. Dead cold. Pardon the pun. So many other, better, options for a large group of mooks.

I like the zombies.

They are unbusy, simple, clean sculpts of peasant zombies in heroic scale.

In every Bones KS the bonus mooks are multiple repeats of earlier minis, we have seen dungeon Vermin, Goblins, kobolds, bugbears, ghasts. Zombies are ok for mooks. It's a mook type you need many of.

The problem is rather that this style of generic RPG miniatures have become pretty common from many sources these days, and that the whales already have bought into earlier Bones KSes.

This sixth KS is, well, more of the same and many are meh because of that.

$1.2 million with 3 days to go.

Not a flop by any measure, I'll take $1.2 million if anyone's asking, but nowhere near the last 2 Bones which got over $3 million each.

I'm betting we won't get a light house .

I was waiting for the last few days to see what other items have been reached and some interesting stuff has popped up, but nothing that super compels me to expand my already enormous collection of Reaper fill-in minis from the last couple of Bones KS purchases.

Sure, if I had a burning desire to create or run an encounter based on the super specific minis in one of the expansions, then I might get that, but the core set just has so many of the usual characters (with many I could care less about) that I will not spring for it. I do think the lower turn out on this is due to the audience just saying, "I think I might have enough Reaper minis" from the previous Bones KS's.

They still expect $50 for 1/3 of the Tombs of Hakir expansion? Either put it all up for sale or don’t put any of it up. This is insulting.

They’ve said big reveals today which will probably include unlocking all of Hakir and Denizens in one go.

There’s bits here and there that interest me but not enough to get full sets I might just wait for retail see what happens in the next 3 days. The $10 minimum for PM access means I probably won’t let that carryover like I would $1.

Light house looks cool. Maybe I'll go in for a dollar.



Turns out after asking around that $10 is looking like the minimum to access pledge manager..

Not sure there is that much here to risk $10

I'm having some trouble understanding the hesitancy on putting down $10 for a $30 dollar item?

Like when the pledge manager comes out just put in the remaining 20 bucks and enjoy your lighthouse. It's Reaper so there's no real risk of non-fulfillment.

I'm guessing risking forgetting to cancel the pledge and be out $10 if there's nothing else worth getting?

I'll likely get the Lighthouse (probably 2), the Anniversary dragon and ants. Don't think I'll get anything else since all the other items I like are in sets that I don't care for anything else in and am fine waiting for retail.

Worth noting thr lighthouse is a KS exclusive and won't go to retail.

Maybe an abridged version will but don't gamble on it.

I'm still waiting foe the Greek stuff from Bones 5.

Good design, but I already printed a lighthouse off Thingiverse for a few €

Nothing in this campaign looks so good to me that I'd want to pay 2 years in advance, for what is now probably the worst material remaining in the industry, and then faff about with import duties on top. Maybe even if printing wasn't a thing.

I dont know about the other ones but 1.1 million is quite good result.

 NAVARRO wrote:
I dont know about the other ones but 1.1 million is quite good result.

Other averaged around $3 million, so it must be a disappointment.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

Currently at $1.4 million with 24 hours to go.

Well, I put in a small pledge for access to the PM. The Tombs of Hakir got me. Not a perfect expansion by any means, but a nice wholesome counter to Ankh’s aesthetic.

Mrs. GG and I pledged for the Core Set for now but will get more add-ons in the pledge manager when our budget allows. We NEED that lighthouse.

Yeah, it is less than the previous Kickstarter but folks risking anything these days should be considered a win.

The demand for everything to be bigger than the last is in my opinion counterproductive. It is an unrealistic demand in a world where situations change.

I certainly do not see the campaign as a disappointment despite not getting the various things I was hoping for, such as steampunk gnomes & airship, because they came up with cool things I did not know I wanted until I saw them. Like the bee-folk.

 Grumpy Gnome wrote:


Yeah, it is less than the previous Kickstarter but folks risking anything these days should be considered a win.

The demand for everything to be bigger than the last is in my opinion counterproductive. It is an unrealistic demand in a world where situations change.

I certainly do not see the campaign as a disappointment despite not getting the various things I was hoping for, such as steampunk gnomes & airship, because they came up with cool things I did not know I wanted until I saw them. Like the bee-folk.

Well said, this campaign does have some real gems in it.

2 hours to go, $1.7 million, the Egypt expansion is unlocked.

Good luck to them!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

They've unlocked the lighthouse early I'll leave $30 in for that and have another look at the rest in the PM - Euro to Dollar exchange rate is bad at the moment so it might be better later.

Stupid me took a nap and missed it - historically, is it possible to jump in once the pledge manager opens?

Yes but generally the prices are like 10-15% more.

And closed at $1.8 million with an unlocked light house.

1.8 million is still very good but I do think they'll spend a lot more time thinking of what Bones 7 will be.

I think it just shows the core needs to be strong to really hit the high marks.

This time they still did well, but at least from my perspective it was just because the expansions were so good. If the expansions had been more samurai dinos and chronopia I could easily see them doing a lot worse.

So next time they need more cool core items - more dragons, large monsters, etc.

They have more samurai dinos than samurai humans, right? But the core set gave us the 4th (?) Vandodendra whatever, the 5th iteration of most basic character classes, more zombies, more of the same, and some pretty cool ants. Even the rare, weird monsters feel like stale retreads, except for the cool ants. If there’s one thing to take away from this campaign, it’s ants for $8. And maaaaaayyyybe the halfling on fairy dragon.

I passed on it because there's too much overlap with Bones I-IV. (I've passed on many other KS for the same reasons.) I've noticed I've been backing either miniatures in other genres (eg. westerns) or generic fantasy that's on the niche side (eg. ducks, Anastyr's demon trapped in amber).

I haven't gotten a core box since Bones 2 as they've always been random mix of things that Reaper is trying to make appealing to people without much, or any, of a miniature collection.

I understand why they went that way but at some point they were going to hit wall where the amount of people the core pledge appeals to was going to be less then the people that wanted less random sets. I just didn't think it would be such a sudden drop between 5 and 6 and more a slower fall over several campaigns.

I don't think it's a financial thing either as this year as had a lot of KS campaigns do very well for entrainment including the highest grossing one ever. Also I don't think china manufacturing has much to do with it since the Marvel Zombiecide did very well (top 20 kickstarters of all time if I'm not mistaken).

I get the feeling Reaper is running out of ideas, or more likely Bones V was an overstretch and they are cutting back.

The Expansions are about 20% uncooler, same price, but you get less.
The Core Set was smaller because there were fewer unlocks so we cant blame reaper for that, but too many expansions were wave 2&3 or 4&5 meaning even Reaper were not holding much hope for a good run. Yes the rising cost of living will have much to do with that, but people still want a bargain and Reaper Bones is set up as a bargain. Today I am not seeing it with Bones VI.

Now lets be fair here, Bones VI was a resounding success by Kickstarter miniatures campaigns go, but as a Bones Kickstarter is was mediocre.

Frankly Reaper needs to get back on track, yes prices have risen but lacklustre offerings mean lacklustre sales. I dropped over $1100 USD on Bones V excluding shipping. If I buy everything I might want for Bones VI it comes to $452, and that includes a lot of sets that I am simply not sure about and likely will not get. All told I will drop £227 on top of the Core Set pledge., less than I paid on Bones IV. My expenditure has roughly doubled with each Bones campaign since Bones III, not any more.

So what is wrong with it. Let me break it down.

1. Few big gribblies and large pieces. Both dragons are very nice, the clear highpoint of the campaign and I will get both. But what else do we have for the wow factor I expect from Bones. Not a lot really. The fae dragon is big but that is itself a problem (see point 2). I might get the Lighthouse, but I will have to see it first, I might go elsewhere for that.
Now admittedly Reaper are tapped out on chromatic dragons and big demons. But they could have done metallics in the same scale as the chromatics for Bones V. They could have done a proper range of Hill Giants and/or Fire Giants to go with the decent range of Frost Giants they have already done. They lost an opportunity here.

2. Too much padding. I am used to junk in a Bones boxset, and recognise a lot of miniatures will remain unwanted, but normally there have been enough gems amongst the poo to make the sets worthwhile. I am not so such with Bones VI. The Fairie set is a case in point. There is a lot of stuff they could have done, an Oberon and Titania miniature, firbolg warriors and a seelie and unseelie court. What we got was a half arsed attempt to jumble in a few random faeries and an oversized dragon to make up for the lack of volume. Now I like big dragons, but Shimmerscale is bigger than most and should really if anything be smaller. It is only so big because frankly the set would be empty if it were not so.
Other sets have obvious padding. The giant skellie in the undead set doesn't look of feel like a giant creature, more like a 3 up of a 28mm sculpt. I think it is there to add volume. Nevertheless this is one set I will likely be getting, but it could have been better.

3. Badly structured characterful diorama sets. I like the minis plus terrain feature sets we got in Bones V. I don't marry the sets together, but separate out the terrain for general use as well as the adventurer and OpFor. But all three elements have a lot to show for them. There was little here to match them. The Owlbear set is nice, I have enough owlbears but will add more, especially with a nest and infants.
Conversely some of the themed main expansions are lobsided, the Greek set was long on monsters and short on gods, the Egypt set is the opposite. There was a lot of terrain padding that you can easily get elsewhere and very little in terms of desert dweller contents living or undead. I am having trouble seeing how this set would be of use.

Individual concerns.

- If I am to drop on multipart men at arms I will need more than one body sculpt. I am happy to buy multipart infantry from Reaper, but the versatility must be married to a good selection of choice parts for varied build options.
- Yes please for a set of Tieflings. Reaper should do more like that. In Bones V we got sets of catfolk and dragonfolk, each set was a one stop shop for a decent and efficient selection for players to choose non standard races for player characters. The main four or elf, dwarf man and hobbit need many sculpts and variants. Other playable races are better served with a simple set of five or six miniatures covering the basic character classes, or could be represented as such. Reaper got this right, but didn't get it right enough. We got some Gnomes and Tieflings we could have had more. Fire Newts, what use are they?
- Those dragons, very nice indeed. Reaper got that much right. It is a good fallback to their core competency to provide decent dragons in a Bones campaign. But only two, plus the dinky ones? Don't get me wrong a smaller ridable copper dragon is a nice add to the Core Set, but it would have been nice to see an adult one.

The bones core sets will just get less and less appealing as Reaper expands their line. I can go online and buy $100 worth of random bones figures and get them in a week. Or I can buy essentially the same mix of generic fantasy and get them in 2 years. The core sets are all basically the same - some elves with bows, dwarves with axes, undead, an orc or three, a dragon, troll, etc. That's all available now, from Reaper. They're competing with themselves.

Are they ever going to release that pirate ship btw? I noticed a number of the bigger bones kickstarter items never seemed to make it to retail. I lucked into the Baba Yaga hut, but think it was from someone's KS pledge.

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:
The bones core sets will just get less and less appealing as Reaper expands their line. I can go online and buy $100 worth of random bones figures and get them in a week. Or I can buy essentially the same mix of generic fantasy and get them in 2 years. The core sets are all basically the same - some elves with bows, dwarves with axes, undead, an orc or three, a dragon, troll, etc. That's all available now, from Reaper. They're competing with themselves.

I think that's a real good description on what's wrong with the core set.

Are they ever going to release that pirate ship btw? I noticed a number of the bigger bones kickstarter items never seemed to make it to retail. I lucked into the Baba Yaga hut, but think it was from someone's KS pledge.

Hard to tell as Reaper really doesn't talk about what eventually makes it into retail but I'd be surprised if the ship did. They'd have to sell it at what? 60%-70% off to distributors so the price would have to be really expensive to turn a profit. I don't think they do web/direct exclusive stuff either.

I wonder if a core set of 100+ mooks would work better?

Alternately might smaller, targets KSers work better? Dragons, undead, post apoc, space opera etc.

Went in at $10 for the pledge manager. Will get both dragons and maybe the lighthouse but there’s not too much else to be excited about.

The encounters were few and far between, and nowhere near as appealing as bones V.

The bones materials work best for big monsters at affordable prices and we just didn’t get that with vi.

To be honest I’m more interested when the stuff from the last Kickstarter hits retail, as I didn’t go big on it as was broke at the time the pledge manager closed and regret not picking up some bits.

For me what Reaper do best is big to very big monsters. My Reaper frost giants are some of my favourite miniatures and painting them was a joy. Likewise various giant insects, dragons, a great big disgusting worm thingummy, etc.

So whoever said "more giants" -- I agree with you! They have barely scratched the surface of cool giantkind so far.

But also, honesty, more big trolls, more big insects (Mierce have shown that these latter are popular; Reaper ones wouldn't be quite as amazing but they'd be perfectly good and a fraction of the price; same with a load of the Mierce range really), maybe some more minotaurs, a TONNE more demons and devils, etc.

To be honest, part of me wonders if they shouldn't just get rid of the "core pledge" all together, and just have themed sets like Hakir and the forest one, and then maybe an "all in" at a discounted price for the bargain hounds...

I was expecting the core pledge this time around to be the tavern one that was one of the add-ons and maybe even a building done in sio-cast/bonesUSA tiles. I think that would have gone pretty well.

I think it is a combination of a rapidly slowing economy in the US and Europe as inflation really starts to bite deep and geopolitics rains on the parade, less popular miniature choices (this campaign was very cutesy), and reaching market saturation on generic stuff (zombies, dragons, etc.)

And the 2 year wait when so much is available now

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
And the 2 year wait when so much is available now

Yep, good point. The longer wait, the better the deal and more spectacular the miniatures better be.

 Orlanth wrote:
Now lets be fair here, Bones VI was a resounding success by Kickstarter miniatures campaigns go, but as a Bones Kickstarter is was mediocre.

Bones VI wasn't just competing against the current market for people's cash - it was also hampered by the success of Bones I-V. I still have stacks of unpainted miniatures from the previous two campaigns that I backed and I can't justify getting yet another core set at this point. The increasing costs of importing pledges also make those core sets less of a bargain outside the US. As with the last campaign I will probably wait for anything I really like to reach retail - yes I will pay more for each miniature I but but I also won't be paying import duties for the ones I won't use.

 Maccwar wrote:

 Orlanth wrote:
Now lets be fair here, Bones VI was a resounding success by Kickstarter miniatures campaigns go, but as a Bones Kickstarter is was mediocre.

Bones VI wasn't just competing against the current market for people's cash - it was also hampered by the success of Bones I-V. I still have stacks of unpainted miniatures from the previous two campaigns that I backed and I can't justify getting yet another core set at this point. The increasing costs of importing pledges also make those core sets less of a bargain outside the US. As with the last campaign I will probably wait for anything I really like to reach retail - yes I will pay more for each miniature I but but I also won't be paying import duties for the ones I won't use.

Some gamers, like me, are just fussy.

I'm not in the market for Fantasy miniatures in a big way.

I was tempted by the Egyptian expansion with this Kickstarter but if Reaper came up with a sci fi crossover as good as the Sledgehammer BFG (in partnership with Victoria Miniatures), I'd have been all over that...and picked up the Egyptian set.

Agreed, my BFG is one of my fave minis. Gets more use as a terrain or objective piece than as part of an army, but it's so characterful.

I have some stuff from Bones 5 still to paint and probably a few bits from the previous one (3), but I think I've finally finished painting 2. Adding to the pile of shame with more generic fantasy minis wasn't appealing.

I am in for the Lighthouse and the graveyard set, but no core.. too much duplication in what I already own.

Im thinking, upon self reflection, that I love Bones Kickstarters, just for the terrain

I still think they're leaving money on the table by not just doing bones terrain. I don't know if the material is too expensive for bulk, or what, but even if it's just small scatter, I'd rather pay $100 for 10 pieces of terrain than 75 goblins and rangers.

"white" bones was pretty bad for terrain due to all the warping. Mantic used a similar soft PVC for somethings in the first terrain crates and it's a bit better but still not the most ideal.

Bones Black or USA are much better. But would be heavy to ship (but any terrain material is outside of HIPS).

I'm I'm not mistaken Reaper help manufacture terrain tiles for Secret Weapon but I think those were resin? I never got them and I don't think they sold well. I also haven't really seen dwarves forge in a while so I'm not sure if 3d printing really hurt their business (as terrain tiles were the big entrance that 3d printing made into the party) and Mantic haven't expanded their lines in a while so maybe reaper doesn't think it's a viable market to be in?

I think that bones is a great material for terrain.

Especially medium sized pieces like the Stonehenge or charnel pit. You could maybe print out both of those for cheaper if you own a fdm 3d printer... But probably about even buying it from someone else.

Maybe their terrain niche is things that have a lot of details or smooth surfaces (both places that fdm prints really come up lacking).