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 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Bossk_Hogg wrote:

 Albino Squirrel wrote:
Yeah, even at kickstarter prices, $14 for 6 multipart models that are pretty bland and only have a single body and three head choices, that just doesn't seem like a good deal at all.

Even the fireforge northmen, which are similarly basic but have a lot more options, are less per figure. And these reaper ones will presumably be even more expensive at retail.

Fireforge are like 25mm tall though. So useless for people who mainly collect Reaper.

You must be thinking of a different Fireforge, Fireforge is GW scale.

He probably means their old historicals which are smaller than their fantasy range, and modern historicals.

Mrs. GG and I happily backed Reaper Bones 5 and enjoyed it so much we tracked down a second hand Reaper Bones 4. Excellent value.

So my first thought was that of course we would back Reaper Bones 6… but given fulfillment is scheduled for April 2024 and any investment in Chinese production given the current state of the world is a gamble… I am not so sure we will back and if we do back whether we will back big or not.

I still regret not getting the Bones 5 Chronoscope add-on.

I knew I would back in some fashion, but was not gonna get the core set. But they stated that the core set will not be split up this time... So I am currently in for the core, so I guess their strategy worked at least on me...

It does mean that I will not be able to get multiples of the stuff I would want to get for encounters... like the Ants, I would want 3 or 4 of those sets... oh well.

This one seems to be going slower than 5 did.

 Smokestack wrote:
This one seems to be going slower than 5 did.

Well, for starters, they are completely ignoring the existence of the world outside the USA.

Also, in the 3 years or so since Bones 5, home printing at wargaming miniature quality has gone from nonexistent to trivial.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Well, for starters, they are completely ignoring the existence of the world outside the USA.

Also, in the 3 years or so since Bones 5, home printing at wargaming miniature quality has gone from nonexistent to trivial.

Asked them about international shipping, etc, on Twitter - got the following response: "There is a section on the bottom regarding international shipping. There will also be an update regarding international shipping and multiple sections in the FAQ."
Source - https://twitter.com/reapermini/status/1509923473203867652?s=20&t=CYOk_Y1Rc5nQAbq8ovIHIQ

On re-reading with a magnifying glass, there is some information about import duty, etc, but it certainly isn't as clear as, say, Bones 4 was.

And while home 3D printing is certainly easier these days than it has ever been, I'd be wary of labeling it as "trivial".

I might go for the pub and some of the unarmed models...

I was disappointed to see the Crypt is part of a $50 expansion but the rest of the contents including the vampires and giant skeleton have convinced me.



and Egyptian expansion coming up - 70mm tall

I'm going to save my dry Kickstarter powder for Anastyr by Mythic rather than this.

I just don't like Reaper's sculpting style. It seems really... Dated.

But if they offer something as cool as the pirate ship, they could likely lure me back in.

As dated as some of their sculpts are, I think the Egyptian set means I’m in.

Hopefully the scattered gems among the other expansions will make it to retail someday. I gave up waiting on the gems from the last two campaigns.

Has anybody seen any news or posts that they are going to make some of the bones products from the earlier Kickstarter's available through this one?

I'd love to go back and get another Overgourd in addition to some of these goodies...

> The older Bones kickstarters were long enough ago you have to look at inflation.

Yahbut CMON's Zombicide: Undead or Alive's core set was $100 for 160+ miniatures, the same price as previous CMON KS through the years.

The smaller Optional buys are $14 for six plastic mini's. Expansions have a lower volume than core, but $2 for a human-sized mini is too much for me.

> It does mean that I will not be able to get multiples of the stuff I would want to get for encounters..

I'm seeing some flak from posters in the Reaper KS forum Enthusiast thread about the lack of core splits, and, in Bones V (?) Reaper initially said they wouldn't split the core, but they did. Pledge $1 and post in the KS comments, or post in the Reaper KS forum Enthusiasm thread!

> On re-reading with a magnifying glass, there is some information about import duty, etc, but it certainly isn't as clear as, say, Bones 4 was.

I was initially surprised that, for a company the size of Reaper, the shipping rates were "well, you're on your own, bub". That said, shipping prices have increased dramatically within the fulfillment window of a KS (and Reaper is owned by accountants), so I'm not surprised that Reaper is saying they aren't going to provide a shipping cost.

> I was disappointed to see the Crypt is part of a $50 expansion

fwiw, The larger obsidian crypt from a previous KS is available retail, for $24 on Amazon. Almost free shipping!
https://www.amazon.com/Reaper-Miniatures-Obsidian-Unpainted-Building/dp/B073X244LJ

> Has anybody seen any news or posts that they are going to make some of the bones products from the earlier Kickstarter's available through this one?

No, but sometimes the "multiples" in the core set (eg. humanoids) are from previous KS. In Bones VI, this would be the zombies, which were in the Bones V core set. Maybe the Reaper forums KS Enthusiam thread can give you a better answer.

> I'm going to save my dry Kickstarter powder for Anastyr by Mythic rather than this.

I already spent it on MonPoc and the Noble Knight sale. Over a hundred things to not get around to painting arriving tomorrow!

Even though I didn't like the core assortment of Bones V (not to mention price increase) vs. Bones IV, Bones V did better in funding and number of backers. Personally, I prefer the Bones VI core assortment with its fewer novelty miniatures that won't find play in my RPGs or miniature skirmish games, despite the zombies (already have a ton of them) and mudmen (never appeared in my games). For $125, I think my breaking point will be 200+ miniatures -- not that I should be buying a few hundred more miniatures that I won't get to painting or gaming with...

Undead group, part 5.. Are those Armored Ogre skeletons by the giant? They seem quite chonky, under the full plate

Wow. The next stretch goal is titled “Mongrelfolk”. They could have just called them mutants, but no. And the backstory of humans mating with Orcs and bugbears, and inbreeding. Seems like a lot of the kinds of “unfortunate implications” that have embarrassed the RPG community lately.


MYbe it’s just me, but when I see the word mongrel applied to a human, it reminds of of Lovecraft, but not in the good way.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Wow. The next stretch goal is titled “Mongrelfolk”. They could have just called them mutants, but no. And the backstory of humans mating with Orcs and bugbears, and inbreeding. Seems like a lot of the kinds of “unfortunate implications” that have embarrassed the RPG community lately.


MYbe it’s just me, but when I see the word mongrel applied to a human, it reminds of of Lovecraft, but not in the good way.

Seems to be just them trying to create their own brand of beastmen? It didn't jump out to me as problematic. Lovecraft didn't write about medieval fantasy settings did he? I'm not overly familiar with his work.

There's an obscure D&D monster called Mongrel Men (MM2 maybe?) which is just what you're referring to, mixes of various humanoid races, plus mutation and magic. Which is what I guess they're doing.

I can see where someone might seize on it, mongrel (meaning a mixed breed dog) has been an insult for people of mixed race. Hopefully nothing will come of it, there's enough real problems in the world without dwelling on the correct way to refer to people who are 1/4 fishman, 1/4 halfling, 3/16 gnoll and 1/3 human.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
There's an obscure D&D monster called Mongrel Men (MM2 maybe?) which is just what you're referring to, mixes of various humanoid races, plus mutation and magic. Which is what I guess they're doing.

I can see where someone might seize on it, mongrel (meaning a mixed breed dog) has been an insult for people of mixed race. Hopefully nothing will come of it, there's enough real problems in the world without dwelling on the correct way to refer to people who are 1/4 fishman, 1/4 halfling, 3/16 gnoll and 1/3 human.

I remember them as being from AD&D in my youth… and as soon as I saw the text description on the KS I knew some folks these days would take offense at them. Quite surprising Reaper does not appear to have anticipated that.

Mongrel Men are up. Yeah, at least one is a direct lift of the old MM2 art.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/reaperbones5/bones-6-tales-from-the-green-griffin

I’m sure it’s a regional thing. Where I live, the term is loaded with negative connotations. Similarly, when people use “ornery” (esp pronounced “awnry”) to refer to (certain) other people, in this area it is considered inappropriate.

Lovecraft used “mongrel” to refer to mixed race human beings who are almost uniformly up to no good. He was not the only one. I’m not as familiar with old AD&D as I am with OC bigotry, so that was the connection I made.

 DaveC wrote:


and Egyptian expansion coming up - 70mm tall

Oh, that looks like it would be great for Of Gods and Mortals! Can they do that for Athena and Artemis too please?

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
There are some fun minis mixed in, but not enough so far to pledge. The ants are the big winner for me.

I wonder why they have a gnoll expansion without (re)using their iconic Tre Manor gnoll sculpts?

Tre's gnolls are ironically too big. They look great, but don't even remotely fit on a 25 (or even 30)mm base. Gnolls are roughly man-sized.

I like Tre's gnolls, even if they are a smidge big. I mount them on 32mm bases and they work great for my dungeon crawl.

Same ditto. Here they are vs. an old Reaper metal, and some GW Advanced Heroquest guys.

Pic is from a Song of Blades and Hero battle report for a scenario I'm using with the Juegorama miniatures:
https://forum.reapermini.com/index.php?/topic/98521-song-of-blade-and-heroes-scenarios-for-juegorama-miniatures-undead-and-aberrations/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/juegorama/the-adventurers-and-monsters-28mm-plastic-miniatures-edition



As for mongrelmen, afaik, their early appearances were in D&D 2nd edition with the, imo, "mostly awful with a few good original ideas" Monster Manual II, and later entirely forgettable brown-cover splatbooks, alongside the ever-famous saurial, swanmay, and wemic. Seriously, how many poorly-developed cannon fodder humanoids do we need? Most of these animal-based humanoids could have been folded into a catch-all definition of beastmen or mutants or mutant beastmen or beast mutant men...

Man, this has been a snoozefest of a campaign. Daily totals about half of Bones 5 by similar day out, and total funding about half a million less by the 7th day of the campaign.

Hopefully Reaper pull something interesting out of their hat.

Is Reaper Bones reaching market saturation, or have they just put out less interesting stuff than past campaigns? My opinion is the latter.

There seems to be a lot of emphasis on cute, lighter (thematically) fantasy. No judgement of those who enjoy such things, just trying to find a broad explanation of what I don't like about the campaign.

There's not much diversity in the line, some gems but nothing that makes me scream I need it now.

I've heard a rumor that sci fi has been low selling and there won't be a modern/sci fi add on this time.

As always, we shall see.

Well I like the pub. Currently I am just going to get that, then Boren, Dragoth and maybe toil and trouble for Blood Bowl team staff.

Yeah, the pub is really cool. The graveyard/undead would be appealing if I didn't already have a ton of undead and graveyard stuff, some of which is from a previous reaper bones kickstarter. Or if I needed a skeleton giant.

There's some cutesy stuff in the core set I don't really like, but not that much. And I usually don't want most of the stuff in the core set. With the core set, either they do random adventurers/common monsters that everyone already has more of than they'll ever need if they've ever gotten a previous core set, or they do something totally off-the-wall like giant ants or chibi adventurers, which few people actually want.

Well, nothing has really excited me in this so far... which seems to be a common complaint this time. I didnt get a core set in 5... So I think I will get the core this time. Nothing I really need but its not a bad set either... Other than the core, I am thinking the green Grififn Expansion...

I want to like the multipart guys, but they seem expensive for what you get. 6 figures... with the same 3 options given 2x... So You can only make 2 with bow, 2 with sword and shield and 2 with greatsword... actually "can" is the wrong word as you have to make that combo as its all the arms that come with them...

You can probably still late pledge here for a comparable price and product but in HIPS, oh and it comes with about 30 sprues of terrain too

For me, Bones has hit saturation. There are so many available through retail, and I have so many from previous campaigns, that I don’t feel a need for the core set. I usually get the Sci Fi set, although I skipped one that was like half steampunk and Victorian SF, making the bundle too expensive for what I would get.

I’m still waiting to see what comes in the Egyptian expansion in this campaign. All the other expansions are total snoozefests, and the so far unseen demon expansion looks like more of the same.

Also, it’s been how many years and Reaper hasn’t upped their sculpting game? Too many of these minis just look bad.

 Smokestack wrote:

I want to like the multipart guys, but they seem expensive for what you get. 6 figures... with the same 3 options given 2x... So You can only make 2 with bow, 2 with sword and shield and 2 with greatsword... actually "can" is the wrong word as you have to make that combo as its all the arms that come with them...

Yes, especially when frostgrave boxes exist.