He’s nice, looks very close to the original, doesn’t look particularly Primaris. Like Mephiston and the BT characters. Good to see they are heading away from the Mk10 aethsetic with characters at least.
That's a very nice modernization. I like that they had the sense of restraint to keep the Lion Helm as-is, and almost all the have details carried over in the armor. And he even still has a back banner, which has become a real rarity in the modern marine range, but since Azrael has very rad personal heraldry on his, I'm glad it's been kept.
The one place where the new design looks a bit awkward is the hip armor added over the robe. Well, that and how they've given Azzy a bigger, more awkward looking combi-bolt-rifle. I almost wish they'd deviated from the original and given him some other firearm, perhaps a plasma blaster like the Tartaros terminator sergeants have.
Just to repeat the Valrak rumours from a couple months back:
Dante
Azrael
Farsight
Named Daemon Prince
And the edition is then supposed to wrap up with the return of the Lion. Again, take them for what they are, as I always say, just because I trust the source doesn't mean you have to.
I like the hood pulled back detail, the robes are sculpted well and the Lions Helm looks way better than the one Lazarus has. All bode very well for a new DA range.
That's a real nice model. I'm a sucker for a space marine with a back banner.
I know this is a special case for a resculpted special character and likely not the start of any tend but I hope we get more cool back banners and combi weapons for the primaris line.
I may pick one up because although I don't have dark angels I think he'd make a good base for a librarian conversion for my white scars. The watcher would make a good base for a chaos familiar too and who doesn't like familiars?
It's anice model but relatively unimpressive...basically just a primaris upscale of the classic model. I'm NOT advocating for a ridiculous back flipping off of a rock with his skirt billowing in an imaginary massive gust of wind but I would have preferred a different pose. That first primaris DA captain is IMO a better model for me at least.
The bottom of the cloak is incredibly boring. Its the kind of sculpting a noob would do with to much green stuff. Same problem as with mephistons gigantic cloak.
robbienw wrote: He’s nice, looks very close to the original, doesn’t look particularly Primaris. Like Mephiston and the BT characters. Good to see they are heading away from the Mk10 aethsetic with characters at least.
bullyboy wrote: Interesting that the video specifically mentions Luther, I think it’s only a matter of time before we see him in as a 40k model.
As he escaped from his prison, and the Cypher too, it is rather 100% certain that they, and Azrael will play very important role about return of the Lion. And that means plastic mini, maybe even some kind of diorama with the Lion?
Dudeface wrote: Just to repeat the Valrak rumours from a couple months back:
Dante
Azrael
Farsight
Named Daemon Prince
And the edition is then supposed to wrap up with the return of the Lion. Again, take them for what they are, as I always say, just because I trust the source doesn't mean you have to.
Dudeface wrote: Just to repeat the Valrak rumours from a couple months back:
Dante
Azrael
Farsight
Named Daemon Prince
And the edition is then supposed to wrap up with the return of the Lion. Again, take them for what they are, as I always say, just because I trust the source doesn't mean you have to.
We have 2/4 now.
3/4 I'd wager. Doesn't the machine looking Daemon Prince for the Arks stuff count?
Dudeface wrote: Just to repeat the Valrak rumours from a couple months back:
Dante
Azrael
Farsight
Named Daemon Prince
And the edition is then supposed to wrap up with the return of the Lion. Again, take them for what they are, as I always say, just because I trust the source doesn't mean you have to.
We have 2/4 now.
1/4, Vashtorr is not a Daemon Prince.
OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough.
A Daemonic forgemaster from the Forge of Souls, Vashtorr is mostly a neutral player in the Great Game and constructs weapons for any of the Chaos Gods. Vashtorr was created from technological innovation and experimentation, and has gained power from events in the Materium such as the rise of the Necrons, the Cursed Founding, and creation of the Primaris Space Marines. However, Vashtorr is not content with his status and wishes to become a full Chaos God in and of itself. To that end, he has aided Abaddon the Despoiler in the creation of the Arks of Omen.
A great looking model that retains the classic aesthetic while incorporating the Primaris scale. I think the designer(s) showed restraint while also using the advances in mini design that are now available.
It’s a great rendition of the classic pose, but I can’t help but feel that something new could have been done. I understand the power of nostalgia though, and surely there is no right answer to that conundrum.
H.B.M.C. wrote: What's interesting, to me at least, is that the Lion Helm is still a Mk.VII helmet
Which is comically stupid because it's supposed to be either primarch's own relic or a smaller copy of it, depending on tale. They really should have retconned it to Mk IV, both because it would be much more historically accurate and because Mk IV looks better and fits Mk X well...
Though, funnily enough, the helmet has Mk X earpieces and the slanted covers above them, sooo, yeah
robbienw wrote: He’s nice, looks very close to the original, doesn’t look particularly Primaris. Like Mephiston and the BT characters. Good to see they are heading away from the Mk10 aethsetic with characters at least.
Well, yeah, if you exclude arms, legs, forearm and hip plates, boots, chest, waist, backpack, half of helmet, gorget, belly plate, primaris style heraldic plate and shoulderpads, gun, belt relic and earpiece, yup, there is literally nothing primaris in there
More like -1/4 because Vash is not a demon prince and even a complete idiot could ""predict"" the two remaining big chapters GW missed will get their resin characters upgraded, sooo...
It's just as accurate as my totally-not-obvious ""rumor"" from last week GW will release 28 mm base model before end of the year, and look, Squigboss is here!
More like -1/4 because Vash is not a demon prince and even a complete idiot could ""predict"" the two remaining big chapters GW missed will get their resin characters upgraded, sooo...
It's just as accurate as my totally-not-obvious ""rumor"" from last week GW will release 28 mm base model before end of the year, and look, Squigboss is here!
Yes, because at the time we were expecting a BA and DA release wave without having seen arks of omen or any info about it. Its also like those 2 chapters only have 1 finecast character.
If you're going to reign with false indignant superiority, please do it from a position of strength. Its Christmas, be less of an ass.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
I love seeing you freak out over Val. It's pathological with you.
Wow, this is a nu-marine I actually like. Glad to see them keeping (most) of the details I liked about the original. I'll miss the bullpup combi-weapon, but the helmet & Watcher options make up for it.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
But can someone explain why the helmet isn't MK3? The forgeworld lion helmet is mk3 (which obviously came out decades after Azrael, but still), and it's not like he was around by the time mk 7.
It's not really a helmet the Lion wore. Same as Calgar's gauntlets and Dante's death mask (though that could have been scaled down, still not a direct cast of Sang's face). At best it's a helmet that was a part of the Lions personal armoury. Maybe a gift from someone who'd never seen a primarch trying to curry favour with the vaunted lord of the first.
Originally it was supposed to be ambiguous but that died with the HH books.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
GaroRobe wrote: I love that they didn't change the Lion Helm.
But can someone explain why the helmet isn't MK3? The forgeworld lion helmet is mk3 (which obviously came out decades after Azrael, but still), and it's not like he was around by the time mk 7.
Likely rebuilt over the years. Like Trigger’s Broom. Known in less cultured circles as Theseus’s Paradox.
GaroRobe wrote: I love that they didn't change the Lion Helm.
But can someone explain why the helmet isn't MK3? The forgeworld lion helmet is mk3 (which obviously came out decades after Azrael, but still), and it's not like he was around by the time mk 7.
Likely rebuilt over the years. Like Trigger’s Broom. Known in less cultured circles as Theseus’s Paradox.
I've always enjoyed Terry Pratchett's take on it:
"This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation... but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y'know. Pretty good."
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
Jfc it doesn't look like any daemon engine out there at present, it's very humanoid in appearance and is clearly not dedicated to a particular god when all we see are God dedicated models for daemons. Yet still, you expect someone seeing this likely 2nd hand not to go "huh, a big humanoid shaped daemon that isn't overtly god aligned, looks like a cool daemon prince"?
To be fair the voice in the initial trailer also sounds fairly gender neutral, if not female, so I suspect that might be the leak point.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
Jfc it doesn't look like any daemon engine out there at present, it's very humanoid in appearance and is clearly not dedicated to a particular god when all we see are God dedicated models for daemons. Yet still, you expect someone seeing this likely 2nd hand not to go "huh, a big humanoid shaped daemon that isn't overtly god aligned, looks like a cool daemon prince"?
To be fair the voice in the initial trailer also sounds fairly gender neutral, if not female, so I suspect that might be the leak point.
People who only see pictures, or maybe pictures and a name, generally describe stuff in terms that are somehow derived from stuff we are familiar with. 'It's a demon prince' is perfectly reasonable to describe a demony creature that looks like a character, is obviously bigger and more powerful than a herald and less so than a greater demon etc. - from the picture alone you have no reason to conclude that this dude specifically is not a DP at all, but some hitherto unknown level of entity that is best described as 'demigod'. And not every person who may have seen such a picture is intimately familiar with all facets of faction-specific fluff, so it's absolutely possible that this particular rumour was based on a real leak, but somewhat innaccurate due to the leaker jumping to conclusions or making sense of things in terms he knew.
The naysayers are deliberately conflating Valrak's own conjecture with the actual rumour he was given. He assumed it was female after seeing the trailer. The rumour he was given was named daemon prince.
JSG wrote: The naysayers are deliberately conflating Valrak's own conjecture with the actual rumour he was given. He assumed it was female after seeing the trailer. The rumour he was given was named daemon prince.
I do not like Valrak as a person or as a concept, like, at all, but at this point you can't deny that at least some of the leaks he's waffling on about have to be fed to him by a pretty accurate source. He gets less accurate when he adds his own spin or conclusions, but something is definitely there.
JSG wrote: The naysayers are deliberately conflating Valrak's own conjecture with the actual rumour he was given. He assumed it was female after seeing the trailer. The rumour he was given was named daemon prince.
I do not like Valrak as a person or as a concept, like, at all, but at this point you can't deny that at least some of the leaks he's waffling on about have to be fed to him by a pretty accurate source. He gets less accurate when he adds his own spin or conclusions, but something is definitely there.
I think the issue with Valrak is his tendancy to put extra spin or embellishments onto accurate rumours. It's clear that he does have at least some reliable sources, but the version we get is likely quite different to what he's actually been told.
A good example was in January when he broke the news of the Tyranid codex 2 weeks before GW announced anything. That came with assurances about "multiple new models" including the parasite and a box of updated gaunts. The latter of course turned out to be the oops-all-old-gaunts combat patrol.
But of course the more interesting rumours get more clicks on his channel...
I think the hip plates will look better not painted as a part of the main armor under his robes, but as some kind of semi-ornamental addition attached to his belt. Them being the exact same shade as the stuff he wears under the robe cheats the eye into trying to join them up, I think.
GaroRobe wrote: I love that they didn't change the Lion Helm.
But can someone explain why the helmet isn't MK3? The forgeworld lion helmet is mk3 (which obviously came out decades after Azrael, but still), and it's not like he was around by the time mk 7.
Now here is the interesting part about all this. It is the Lion Helm, not The Lion's Helm. It's said to have been worn by the Primarch but that's it. Said to be, not was. It suits the narrative of the Dark Angels to have their Supreme Grand Master wear a relic associated with the Primarch to give the allusion of a line of succession.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I like everything except the bolter, it looks like trash. The Magazine placement is awful
I'd like it better if it was another kind of magazine. Instead of the sticky-out standard type, I reckon a side-mounted box magazine like some of the bolt rifle variants have would look better.
Mentlegen324 wrote: It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
There's a fairly even chance that the people seeing these things in advance do just that - see them, devoid of any real context - so a model like Vashtorr, without the context of what he is, does appear to be a Daemon Prince.
Given that he turned out to be something quite unique by 40k standards - an unaligned Daemon intent on becoming a 5th Chaos God - doesn't make the person with the rumours wrong. If you saw that model out of context, you'd assume Daemon Prince.
Mentlegen324 wrote: It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
There's a fairly even chance that the people seeing these things in advance do just that - see them, devoid of any real context - so a model like Vashtorr, without the context of what he is, does appear to be a Daemon Prince.
Given that he turned out to be something quite unique by 40k standards - an unaligned Daemon intent on becoming a 5th Chaos God - doesn't make the person with the rumours wrong. If you saw that model out of context, you'd assume Daemon Prince.
So stop being so damned persnickety.
Even with context your first couple of guesses would be something like 'Dark Mechanicum Demon Prince' or sth. like that.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
Jfc it doesn't look like any daemon engine out there at present, it's very humanoid in appearance and is clearly not dedicated to a particular god when all we see are God dedicated models for daemons. Yet still, you expect someone seeing this likely 2nd hand not to go "huh, a big humanoid shaped daemon that isn't overtly god aligned, looks like a cool daemon prince"?
To be fair the voice in the initial trailer also sounds fairly gender neutral, if not female, so I suspect that might be the leak point.
I'd expect them to say it was a "big humanoid shaped daemon that isn't overtly god aligned", not go "Don't know what that is, so it's specifically a female Dark Mechanicum Daemon Prince"
Mentlegen324 wrote: It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
There's a fairly even chance that the people seeing these things in advance do just that - see them, devoid of any real context - so a model like Vashtorr, without the context of what he is, does appear to be a Daemon Prince.
Given that he turned out to be something quite unique by 40k standards - an unaligned Daemon intent on becoming a 5th Chaos God - doesn't make the person with the rumours wrong. If you saw that model out of context, you'd assume Daemon Prince.
So stop being so damned persnickety.
It does make them wrong when it isn't what they rumoured. If they don't know what it is, don't just give specifics as to what it is.
Yeah. I mean, if I witness a crime and am able to give a rough description (say, above average height, light brown hair, green tracksuit), and that’s used to check CCTV? If the actual person is Exactly Average Height, Dark Brown Hair and a Turquoise Tracksuit, despite my description being off, I wouldn’t be charged with perverting the course of justice now, would I?
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Yeah. I mean, if I witness a crime and am able to give a rough description (say, above average height, light brown hair, green tracksuit), and that’s used to check CCTV? If the actual person is Exactly Average Height, Dark Brown Hair and a Turquoise Tracksuit, despite my description being off, I wouldn’t be charged with perverting the course of justice now, would I?
Unfortunately 40k weirdos transcend legal definitions and boundaries, unless you can provide cited verbatim information with a named, recognised source for a "rumour", ain't good enough.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
"Vashtorr the Arkifane is a major new character for Warhammer 40,000 – he’s an enigmatic daemonic mechanic, a fiendish forge-master who specialises in corrupt machines and insane innovation. Unsurprisingly, Warpsmiths and the Dark Mechanicum think he’s great." straight from the WarCom article already implies DarkMech, so you're wrong on that count. Also you still have yet to tackle it being pretty lithe and feminine like a Slaaneshi daemon. Lastly, the size, based on the base, isn't going to be anything bigger than Belakor or anything like that.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
"Vashtorr the Arkifane is a major new character for Warhammer 40,000 – he’s an enigmatic daemonic mechanic, a fiendish forge-master who specialises in corrupt machines and insane innovation. Unsurprisingly, Warpsmiths and the Dark Mechanicum think he’s great." straight from the WarCom article already implies DarkMech, so you're wrong on that count. Also you still have yet to tackle it being pretty lithe and feminine like a Slaaneshi daemon. Lastly, the size, based on the base, isn't going to be anything bigger than Belakor or anything like that.
Just take the L, dude.
Again, that does not change that it is not what the rumour specifically said it was.
I find it hilarious how all the rubiconed characters survive the process and not a single one buys the farm, given how "dangerous" it was supposed to be...
The magazine placement looks fine, except he is holding a right-handed weapon in his left hand. This could obviously be a temporary pose, but it looks a little odd. Makes me wonder if the model would look better with the weapons swapped round.
Many effective historical firearms had the magazine on the left of the gun like that, such as the Sten or FG-42.
I love almost everything about that model, which is a first for a Primaris re-design. I suspect it’s partly because the robe covers up those feth awful soupbowl kneepads, but full credit to the sculptor for nailing the character of the original whilst upscaling it so well.
The one bit I’m not sold on is the combi-weapon: I’m not really interested in technical accuracy in my gratuitous space fantasy wargame, but the original looked miles better than the newer ‘magazine stuck on the side’ design imo, but ymmv.
Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
"Vashtorr the Arkifane is a major new character for Warhammer 40,000 – he’s an enigmatic daemonic mechanic, a fiendish forge-master who specialises in corrupt machines and insane innovation. Unsurprisingly, Warpsmiths and the Dark Mechanicum think he’s great." straight from the WarCom article already implies DarkMech, so you're wrong on that count. Also you still have yet to tackle it being pretty lithe and feminine like a Slaaneshi daemon. Lastly, the size, based on the base, isn't going to be anything bigger than Belakor or anything like that.
Just take the L, dude.
Again, that does not change that it is not what the rumour specifically said it was.
It was literally associated with the DarkMech in that WarCom article.
Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.
Yes.
Another favorite side trek is going down memory lane as 20-30 year old rules from 5+ editions ago are rehashed.
Roll Three Dice wrote: I love almost everything about that model, which is a first for a Primaris re-design. I suspect it’s partly because the robe covers up those feth awful soupbowl kneepads, but full credit to the sculptor for nailing the character of the original whilst upscaling it so well.
The one bit I’m not sold on is the combi-weapon: I’m not really interested in technical accuracy in my gratuitous space fantasy wargame, but the original looked miles better than the newer ‘magazine stuck on the side’ design imo, but ymmv.
Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.
Yep. You'll also get constant negativity that will derail threads. There is a reason most reasonable discussions have moved to faction based discords at this point and this place is fairly dead compared to how it used to be.
As for the Azreal leak, with that bottom pic being new it looks pretty real.
Dudeface wrote: OK captain pedantic, its a big named Daemon, its easy to see how that was a mistaken identity and is honestly near enough
Not, it was not ""easy"" because the model looks much more like daemon engines than a prince (or the old FW semi-mechanical herald). Also, any leaker with a brain would inform him that no, it's not a prince or anything mortal. It's only ""easy"" mistake to make when you're clueless clown without good source trying to guess from a stolen photo someone who had nothing to do with you posted earlier and you rushed to claim "scoop" usual V style.
Also, let me remind you he also claimed said demon is female/dark mechanicum (again, clueless guess from lithe silhouette/hammer) and that Ark will get army box that will be shown on reveal that was a month ago, both claims even more laughably wrong than prince issue but somehow quietly ignored because it doesn't fit the narrative, eh?
Its lithe like a Slaaneshi daemon, which could be construed as female, and it's Mechanicum as so far its fluff has to do with machines. So nah, you're wrong.
It's not wrong when the only part that turned out to be correct was "Named character" that has something Daemonic. It's not a female character, it's not Dark Mechanicum, and it's not a Daemon Prince.
If the person who saw did not know exactly it was, then saying exactly what it is was just an absurd thing to do, it should have just been "Named Daemon character" - but no, they gave specifics. The specifics of the rumour were incorrect and that only takes way from the credibility, regardless of if you can skew it so it "kinda" seems right.
"Vashtorr the Arkifane is a major new character for Warhammer 40,000 – he’s an enigmatic daemonic mechanic, a fiendish forge-master who specialises in corrupt machines and insane innovation. Unsurprisingly, Warpsmiths and the Dark Mechanicum think he’s great." straight from the WarCom article already implies DarkMech, so you're wrong on that count. Also you still have yet to tackle it being pretty lithe and feminine like a Slaaneshi daemon. Lastly, the size, based on the base, isn't going to be anything bigger than Belakor or anything like that.
Just take the L, dude.
Again, that does not change that it is not what the rumour specifically said it was.
It was literally associated with the DarkMech in that WarCom article.
Seriously, just take the L.
Again, If the rumour was that they're specifically Dark Mechanicum, then if they are not specifically Dark Mechanicum that then part of the rumour is wrong.. The Dark Mechanicum liking them is not the same thing as them being Dark Mechanicum.
If they did not know that's what the character actually was, then they should not have said that was what it was specifically and should have been vaguer and/or described the appearance instead. Guessing the specifics and getting it wrong doesn't add much credibility.
People, this thread is about the new Azrael miniature, not about what is or is not a Daemon Prince or about what rumors might or might not be validated. Take that discussion somewhere, anywhere else for feth's sake!
On topic, as a Dark Angels player I just about creamed my pants seeing the new Azrael. It's totally awesome and faithful to the original. My only regret is that it's probably months away from release. It could also mean the Lion is coming, but that is a discussion for another thread (hint hint guys...).
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I like everything except the bolter, it looks like trash. The Magazine placement is awful
To be fair, have you seen the original?
The previous one (shown above) looks like a photoshop fail.
At first glance the new one looks at least feasible.
I could believe it had some crazy feed mechanism, but the lack of an ejection port is a bit disturbing.
Personally, it's the magazine not being linked to the bolter muzzle that keeps cracking me up.
That certainly seems stupid considering how modern guns work, but I think you can handwave that away with "crazy feed mechanism". Like maybe there's something going on inside that pulls the rounds into the chamber rather than your typical bolt stripping a round out of the magazine. But even assuming that, still need to get the spent cases out.
Albertorius wrote: I find it hilarious how all the rubiconed characters survive the process and not a single one buys the farm, given how "dangerous" it was supposed to be...
I imagine that as they did it more and more, they refined the process.
How knows how many faceless, nameless grunts died on the operating table so that good ole Albert Z Rell could become a Primaris.
Y'know, I'd actually kind of like it if the 9th edition fluff was that Azrael died on the operating table and this is Steve but he's calling himself Azrael now and everyone is going along with it cause let's face it it's been a tough millennium and we all need to cope somehow.
I’m not seeing anything saying Azrael must be your Warlord.
Is that normal for such a high ranking Astartes? Because if not, might that be another string to the rumour bow re The Lion’s return?
As far as I can tell, the only ones that have that stipulation are Primarchs and Abaddon.
Yeah this seems to be a supreme commander thing. Azrael & other chapter master current rules don't require them to be warlords.
Roll Three Dice wrote: Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.
Yeah but at least on Reddit that stuff will get downvoted and hidden. Here anything unrelated to the original topic requires multiple-page thread derails!
Kid_Kyoto wrote: How knows how many faceless, nameless grunts died on the operating table so that good ole Albert Z Rell could become a Primaris.
Y'know, I'd actually kind of like it if the 9th edition fluff was that Azrael died on the operating table and this is Steve but he's calling himself Azrael now and everyone is going along with it cause let's face it it's been a tough millennium and we all need to cope somehow.
In fact that's my new head canon.
I'm now choosing to believe that Corvin Severax didn't survive the process, and instead they made up a story about him fighting Shadowsun.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I could believe it had some crazy feed mechanism, but the lack of an ejection port is a bit disturbing.
To be fair, it was designed back in the days when GW still recognised bolters as firing caseless ammunition.
Is it that old? I think ever since 3rd edition bolters have had ejection ports.
Azrael came with the Angels of Death codex in 2nd ed. I think that was in '96, maybe '97.
I'm dubious of that caseless ammo thing, though. Even in 2nd ed fluff the marksman honor was made from spent bolter cases, which is kind of hard to do if you universally treat bolters as shooting caseless ammo.
Albertorius wrote: I find it hilarious how all the rubiconed characters survive the process and not a single one buys the farm, given how "dangerous" it was supposed to be...
I imagine that as they did it more and more, they refined the process.
That kind of talk is heresy. The process was perfect from the beginning. Clearly these named characters all have a superior strength of will to survive the process, and any Astartes who died were found wanting.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The fluff mentioned caseless a bunch of times, but even artwork from that time shows streams of shells coming off of bolters.
The artwork was inconsistent. Many of the images had flames spurting from the front of them without any cases flying, but some artwork did have cases. It probably comes down to individual artists either not knowing the fluff or not knowing how firearms work. The models themselves back in 2nd edition didn't have ejection ports, I think maybe the Rogue Trader era ones did have? I don't any models from pre-2nd edition and don't have any good pics. I think it was the 3rd edition plastics when ejection ports got added back in.
I'm sure there's a lot of people in GW who don't know how guns work... but some of the old GW guys back in the day definitely had some knowledge about war, weapons and history. Many of the designers from back then have gone on to write rules for historic games, and/or were writing rules for historic games before they were writing fantasy/sci-fi rules for GW. But there was probably enough people who didn't know to let inconsistencies slip through.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I could believe it had some crazy feed mechanism, but the lack of an ejection port is a bit disturbing.
To be fair, it was designed back in the days when GW still recognised bolters as firing caseless ammunition.
Is it that old? I think ever since 3rd edition bolters have had ejection ports.
Azrael came with the Angels of Death codex in 2nd ed. I think that was in '96, maybe '97.
I'm dubious of that caseless ammo thing, though. Even in 2nd ed fluff the marksman honor was made from spent bolter cases, which is kind of hard to do if you universally treat bolters as shooting caseless ammo.
For some reason I thought Azrael was remade, but yeah, looks like he's in my 1998 Citadel Annual.
If that's the case... I guess the model is fine, lol. There just needs to be a feed mechanism to bring the rounds up to the firing chamber (which could be mechanical, it could be vacuum, it could be magnetic, it could be scifi magic) then it'd be consistent with 2nd edition Bolters to not have an ejection port.
The new Azrael looks a bit off simply in the sense that the ejection port looks too close to the rear of the gun for the bolt to have space to travel back and eject the spent case, but maybe some space magic there or maybe the proportions don't come across properly in the images.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The fluff mentioned caseless a bunch of times, but even artwork from that time shows streams of shells coming off of bolters.
I have asked this before, but what fluff says bolters were caseless?
I have trawled through the RT rule book, the compilation book, the 2nd edition rules and wargear book and the Angels of Death book and nowhere does it note bolters as caseless. By comparison the RT auto gun entry states it up front. However, pretty sure that all artwork of Assault cannon in particular have also had casings pouring out
H.B.M.C. wrote: The fluff mentioned caseless a bunch of times, but even artwork from that time shows streams of shells coming off of bolters.
I have asked this before, but what fluff says bolters were caseless?
I have trawled through the RT rule book, the compilation book, the 2nd edition rules and wargear book and the Angels of Death book and nowhere does it note bolters as caseless. By comparison the RT auto gun entry states it up front. However, pretty sure that all artwork of Assault cannon in particular have also had casings pouring out
I get the feeling this might be a self perpetuating myth at this point
Can someone please put me out of my misery
I'm sure I read it somewhere in a codex, but maybe I dreamt it up, lol, or maybe my brain just interpreted "missile bullet" to mean caseless.
I remember having discussions about it back in the day, maybe it came from the models themselves not having a way to get casings out?
As for Assault Cannons, I don't think it's stated that they function the same as Bolters? I thought in the fluff they were just conventional bullets of smaller calibre fired at high velocity and high rate of fire.
EDIT: Or as you say, maybe I'm getting mixed up with the autoguns.
H.B.M.C. wrote: The fluff mentioned caseless a bunch of times, but even artwork from that time shows streams of shells coming off of bolters.
I have asked this before, but what fluff says bolters were caseless?
I have trawled through the RT rule book, the compilation book, the 2nd edition rules and wargear book and the Angels of Death book and nowhere does it note bolters as caseless. By comparison the RT auto gun entry states it up front. However, pretty sure that all artwork of Assault cannon in particular have also had casings pouring out
I get the feeling this might be a self perpetuating myth at this point
Can someone please put me out of my misery
As with you, I can't remember anything saying bolters were caseless in any fluff. Assault cannons were certainly mentioned a number of times to be caseless, despite all the artwork showing them spewing out hundreds of cases. The current Dread base even has a bunch of spent cases sculpted on it!
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I like everything except the bolter, it looks like trash. The Magazine placement is awful
To be fair, have you seen the original?
That's always bugged me because without the notch in the top left corner, that'd be a plausible-looking bullpup feed, but with it, it looks all sorts of wrong. It feels a bit like they had to add the notch there to be able to tuck the gun under Azrael's shoulder plate on the original model.
I now want to see some Marines with Sten Bolters, tho... :-D
Do we know the fluff of his transition. It seems most of the main characters are mortally wounded, then instead of being interned into a dreadnought go through this super dangerous procure and survive despite being on deaths door.
Yes, i still hate everything to do with primaris fluff. Could of just said hay look at this shiny new mark of armour and been done with it. Also will we see pureblood marines get MK9 one day?
The new model is nice, because its such a close copy of the original.
VictorVonTzeentch wrote: I like everything except the bolter, it looks like trash. The Magazine placement is awful
To be fair, have you seen the original?
That's always bugged me because without the notch in the top left corner, that'd be a plausible-looking bullpup feed, but with it, it looks all sorts of wrong. It feels a bit like they had to add the notch there to be able to tuck the gun under Azrael's shoulder plate on the original model.
I now want to see some Marines with Sten Bolters, tho... :-D
That's exactly what happened. "IRL" the gun is complete, just like a power sword wouldn't be three inches thick and a chainsword would have more than ten teeth.
TalonZahn wrote: So people are cranky about a "bullpup" design bolter?
I think people were mostly complaining about the old gun not having the magazine aligned with the barrel, and the new gun having the magazine sticking outwards.
That shoots 30mm rocket rounds.....
19mm....
That would clearly require a case, regardless of being used in a Gatling gun or an automatic bolter....
Not sure why it would "need" a case. Could have a solid fast burning propellant surrounding the bullet to get it out of the barrel, then internal propellant that continues to accelerate it when it leaves.
41,000 years in the future.......
...yes?
People like to overanalyse sci-fi and fantasy, welcome to the internet, you must be new here
TalonZahn wrote: So people are cranky about a "bullpup" design bolter?
I think people were mostly complaining about the old gun not having the magazine aligned with the barrel, and the new gun having the magazine sticking outwards.
That shoots 30mm rocket rounds.....
19mm....
That would clearly require a case, regardless of being used in a Gatling gun or an automatic bolter....
Not sure why it would "need" a case. Could have a solid fast burning propellant surrounding the bullet to get it out of the barrel, then internal propellant that continues to accelerate it when it leaves.
41,000 years in the future.......
...yes?
People like to overanalyse sci-fi and fantasy, welcome to the internet, you must be new here
A quick google indicates the existence of a 1.1” 75 calibre gun, but this is a naval weapon where the bore diameter is 1.1” and the 75 refers to the length of the barrel.
We all know they are show with casings, Skink was jet making the point that 41k years in the future, that caseless is a potential option, but building on my earlier point I’m not sure it’s ever been clearly recorded.
The original does have a wee plasma chamber just in front of the grip, but it does seem likely that they footled with tue magazine location to help align with the newer plasma design. The bullpup would be too hard to slot in under the arm again more than likely.
The only thing gw would have to do to Make it "work" is put the mag up a bit and a straight line from the barrel back.
There perfectly acceptable bullpup combi plasma bolter.
TalonZahn wrote: So people are cranky about a "bullpup" design bolter?
I think people were mostly complaining about the old gun not having the magazine aligned with the barrel, and the new gun having the magazine sticking outwards.
That shoots 30mm rocket rounds.....
19mm....
That would clearly require a case, regardless of being used in a Gatling gun or an automatic bolter....
Not sure why it would "need" a case. Could have a solid fast burning propellant surrounding the bullet to get it out of the barrel, then internal propellant that continues to accelerate it when it leaves.
41,000 years in the future.......
...yes?
People like to overanalyse sci-fi and fantasy, welcome to the internet, you must be new here
Outter casing isnt included in the size of the round going down the barrel.
Besides, .75 Cal being 28mm is way off. Its 19.5mm roughly, so falling in the middle range of 12 gauge Shotgun slugs. If .50cal is 12.7mm, an additional .25 would not equal more than double the .50 cal.
Fun fact, your link mentions some of the older Bolters being .50 cal
Huh, funny, he's just shown after I begin working on my old Dark Angels veterans I bought like ten years ago. He looks pretty good! Staying mainly true to the original mini from so long ago. It's about time GW finally update him!
Though I'm not too impressed with his helmetless head, but that could be due to the paint job more than anything. But the lack of much expression isn't good; the first one had a great roaring expression that made me like the mini a lot as a kid. I'm also glad he has hair, as so much art has depicted him having a shaved head in the codex etc. lol.
So Yarrick is the only classic character so far in post 8e to not have cheated by crossing it and died instead? Shame. This was a perfect time to introduce new chapter leads while still keeping the classics as an option earlier in the time jump crusade.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: I could believe it had some crazy feed mechanism, but the lack of an ejection port is a bit disturbing.
To be fair, it was designed back in the days when GW still recognised bolters as firing caseless ammunition.
Is it that old? I think ever since 3rd edition bolters have had ejection ports.
It was never a thing, really. Bolts are technically caseless but they have this initial small powder charge to get them up to speed because they would be otherwise useless on short distances like RL gyrojets. You can see art of bolters ejecting these initializer cases since pretty much Rogue Trader.
AllSeeingSkink wrote: There just needs to be a feed mechanism to bring the rounds up to the firing chamber (which could be mechanical, it could be vacuum, it could be magnetic, it could be scifi magic) then it'd be consistent with 2nd edition Bolters to not have an ejection port.
The new Azrael looks a bit off simply in the sense that the ejection port looks too close to the rear of the gun for the bolt to have space to travel back and eject the spent case, but maybe some space magic there or maybe the proportions don't come across properly in the images.
The problem with magic loading mechanism with old bolter is the fact he is bracing it on shoulder pad so whatever it is, it would need to travel thought 5 cm of solid ceramite. Unless he points bolter down after each shot to make room for reload?
As for new gun, you'd just need bolt forward mechanism, instead of usual back traveling one. It's rarer but absolutely is a thing, funnily enough, mostly in bull pups where magazines and ejection ports are way in the back of the gun. See MDRX for one:
Kanluwen wrote: Yarrick isn't a Marine...and Dante can always still die/fail+need a dreadnought.
Shrike and Khan are the only two who didn't die before crossing though.
I never realized that after playing multiple flavors of both marines and IG since 3rd edition. Or perhaps I was making a joke. Definitely one of the two. .
If anything, Dante might have been the better choice to keep given his notable lifespan watching the degradation of the Imperium firsthand though I fully admit that same reason could be just as easily used to justify his removal now that G-man does the job better. Regardless, the world of 40k will only be made better with the introduction of official golden six pack abs and chiseled nipples that can make a necron swoon.
Kanluwen wrote: Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.
He'll be back at some point anyway.
Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.
Megaherohammer in v10.0 this summer? I haven't played in multiple editions at this point so I don't know how important special characters and what previously was apoc only is to the current gameplay experience.
Tsagualsa wrote: Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.
Last 12+ special characters GW released was random low ranking Space Marine captain from book, Azrael, dude from literally beginning of the setting (kinda hard to find someone more "bygone era" than he is), some wandering vampire, dwarf pirate, a few literally who Necromunda gangsters and nobles, some goblin boss with a few bodyguard mooks with delusions of grandeur, a few goblin handegg players, skeleton of a king of long gone kingdom with his sons, some random DA officer from HH, named Emperor's Champion hating orks, Elrond, aka dude who sat whole LotR on his ass in the middle of nowhere, and some fat ogre who likes to hunt.
On what planet is any of the above "high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand"?
Kanluwen wrote: Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.
He'll be back at some point anyway.
Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.
Yarrick was far more than just a 'random Commissar with a nemesis', he managed to turn the tide of Armageddon and in doing so saved a lynchpin of the Imperium at the time. He stood as a symbol of hope for the Imperial Guard in times of darkness, few other mortal men could have done what he did
Back to Azrael, that's one great looking miniature, love the redesign
AllSeeingSkink wrote: There just needs to be a feed mechanism to bring the rounds up to the firing chamber (which could be mechanical, it could be vacuum, it could be magnetic, it could be scifi magic) then it'd be consistent with 2nd edition Bolters to not have an ejection port.
The new Azrael looks a bit off simply in the sense that the ejection port looks too close to the rear of the gun for the bolt to have space to travel back and eject the spent case, but maybe some space magic there or maybe the proportions don't come across properly in the images.
The problem with magic loading mechanism with old bolter is the fact he is bracing it on shoulder pad so whatever it is, it would need to travel thought 5 cm of solid ceramite. Unless he points bolter down after each shot to make room for reload?
Nah, the round would first travel forward through the narrow part of the gun, then up to the muzzle. So not through the shoulder pad (which would be external to the gun as far as I can see).
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Irbis wrote: As for new gun, you'd just need bolt forward mechanism, instead of usual back traveling one. It's rarer but absolutely is a thing, funnily enough, mostly in bull pups where magazines and ejection ports are way in the back of the gun. See MDRX for one:
Spoiler:
I'm not that familiar with the MDRX, but my understanding it works pretty much the same as any other non-bullpup gun but it has a lever that pushes the spent casing sideways when the bolt goes backwards, then can have an attachment that catches the casing as it goes sideways so that it can be pushed out forward when the bolt comes back forwards. I don't think it requires any less space behind the magazine, unless I'm missing something? The bolt still needs enough space to clear the magazine and ejection port.
I'm not that familiar with the MDRX, but my understanding it works pretty much the same as any other non-bullpup gun but it has a lever that pushes the spent casing sideways when the bolt goes backwards, then can have an attachment that catches the casing as it goes sideways so that it can be pushed out forward when the bolt comes back forwards. I don't think it requires any less space behind the magazine, unless I'm missing something? The bolt still needs enough space to clear the magazine and ejection port.
Eh, the magazine really isn't that far back on the boltgun. There is easily enough room for a mechanism to shift the shells where needed. It would be simpler if further forward, but I can see a justification in trying to move the centre-of-gravity closer to the grip for better one-handed use. My biggest issue is it should be in the other hand so he can reload it easier.
Kanluwen wrote: Joke or not, Yarrick was pointless. It's about time he was gone.
He'll be back at some point anyway.
Yarrick is a symbol and a relic of a bigone era, when special characters were typical and iconic for their faction, but essentially just people that existed in the universe, subject to its cruelties and whims like any other guy. Nowadays there is no place for a random commissar with a nemesis, everybody has to be high and mighty, chosen by the gods themselves, movers and shakers that literally shape the whole setting by their own hand. It's another sign of the shift from setting to story, and i do not really like it.
Yarrick was far more than just a 'random Commissar with a nemesis', he managed to turn the tide of Armageddon and in doing so saved a lynchpin of the Imperium at the time. He stood as a symbol of hope for the Imperial Guard in times of darkness, few other mortal men could have done what he did
Back to Azrael, that's one great looking miniature, love the redesign
Indeed, in the Third War he was the commander-in-chief of the entire Imperial ground forces in one of the largest wars of the Imperium's history against the biggest ork Waaaagh! since the War of the Beast- a Waaaagh! he successfully blunted into a stalemate. Following this, Yarrick embarked on a full Crusade with the Black Templars. Yarrick even has a personal command Baneblade. It is hard to find a bigger "mover and shaker" than that...
Frankly, I am surprised GW missed the opportunity to re-release an older, half-bionic Yarrick as an additional sprue for the Baneblade to bump it up to ~£100...
warboss wrote: So Yarrick is the only classic character so far in post 8e to not have cheated by crossing it and died instead? Shame. This was a perfect time to introduce new chapter leads while still keeping the classics as an option earlier in the time jump crusade.
Salamanders and Imperial Fists both have new character models but not updated versions of the old.
Roll Three Dice wrote: I love almost everything about that model, which is a first for a Primaris re-design. I suspect it’s partly because the robe covers up those feth awful soupbowl kneepads, but full credit to the sculptor for nailing the character of the original whilst upscaling it so well.
The one bit I’m not sold on is the combi-weapon: I’m not really interested in technical accuracy in my gratuitous space fantasy wargame, but the original looked miles better than the newer ‘magazine stuck on the side’ design imo, but ymmv.
Edit: also, new-ish user here, is it normal for this place to have a rumour thread derailed for multiple pages to argue semantics in an unrelated topic? Because I can get that on Reddit.
It sadly is common enough here
I like it. Good model over all. Won’t get it probably, my while DA army is non Primaris..
Though on the clip placement. Hold that across your chest and you’re putting a replacement in slamming down from above if you hold it on it’s side, or clipping towards your chest if holding across.
Both those ways work fine, I really don’t see the issue in the magic future Gun.
Manfred von Drakken wrote: Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.
*magazine placement.
Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port
Maybe, lol.
Though the dude is carrying a sword in his other hand, not sure how he reloads at all (or anyone else in the 40k universe for that matter). Maybe he just gets his little buddy to reload for him.
Manfred von Drakken wrote: Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.
*magazine placement.
Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port
It's not like Azrael has his hands free. Let one of these hooded little Jawas do the reloading for him. Give the little guys something to do besides polishing that helmet or running away with the scabbard.
Manfred von Drakken wrote: Who cares about clip placement? He only needs enough bolts to get in close and hit people with his sword.
*magazine placement.
Come to think of it, maybe that is how he reloads it left-handed- ramming stripper clips into the ejection port
It's not like Azrael has his hands free. Let one of these hooded little Jawas do the reloading for him. Give the little guys something to do besides polishing that helmet or running away with the scabbard.
That's what I assume when I see models that are obviously incapable of reloading themselves; they have minions running about which do it for them.
I really like that they kept so many cue/features of the old model such as the holster, sword, chest icon, and backpack side coolers and banner the same.
Why does the robe have to be so thick? It looks like he is wearing a duvet/doona.
I know they can cast thin cloaks/robes.
Waaagh_Gonads wrote: Why does the robe have to be so thick? It looks like he is wearing a duvet/doona.
I know they can cast thin cloaks/robes.
If you think this is bad, wait till you see literally 2 cm thick "robe" of Amon:
Spoiler:
It's so bad there is literally no shots of the model from the back on FW page, you need to carefully rotate it to see that blob of resin literally thicker than his torso. FW "quality", eh?
People, this thread is about the new Azrael miniature, not about what is or is not a Daemon Prince or about what rumors might or might not be validated. Take that discussion somewhere, anywhere else for feth's sake!
