Warhammer 40,000 Battle for Macragge – Made to Order
Wrap yourself in a cosy blanket of nostalgia with this special Christmas Day Made to Order release, which recreates the classic Battle for Macragge from the boxed set that launched the fourth edition of Warhammer 40,000 – straight out of 2004. This set contains 35 plastic miniatures: the Imperial Pilot Lieutenant Varras, 10 Space Marines, six Genestalers, eight Spore Mines, and 10 Termagants. There are also 17 pieces of terrain – six objective markers, the wreckage of a crashed Imperial Lander, and six infestation nodes.
This set will be available to order from 10am local time on Monday the 25th of December until 8am GMT on Tuesday the 2nd of January 2024. As a Made To Order product, this may take up to 180 days to ship.
Not sure I get the point when they've just released new minis for specifically those Tyranid types.. the scenery is nice but I'm sure I still have it somewhere.
As a Tyranid player I can't work out WHY GW felt the need for this one. We have new and better gaunts (with more weapon options); sporemines are down to 1 type; genestealers have a new kit; the terrain for the stealers has no purpose besides looking neat.
If they were going to tickle nostalgic itches I'd have reprinted the original metal gaunts or the original plastic warriors or such. Ergo proper old stuff that looks very different from what we have now.
This is a strange set to return as a made to order.
I feel the same way. Other than the pilot (who has a smidgen of novelty value), this is just really dated mass-production stuff that doesn't hold up.
A handful of plastic spore mines isn't the worst thing in the world, but I wouldn't pay for everything else [But I suspect that's a legacy of the long period of being stuck with metals or nothing for old spore mines].
This is the only starter I didn't buy between 2e and 6e. Didn't have enough to tempt with the "start a new army" fever, and I had enough marines and was not collecting tyranids at the time. I also thought the crashed spaceship was cool, but not very practical compared to the jungle + ruins of 3e or the whole pile of cardboard ruins of 2e. Little did I know it was gonna be the last time we got scenery in a starter for a long time!
I'm a bit tempted but like others, I'd absolutely love for this to have the 4e rulebook in it. I found the 3e one on Amazon a few years ago and I really enjoy it, but that 4e one was an even better rulebook imo, except for being missing the "get you by" army lists.
If IoB comes out again, I probably will pick a second one up. Those models are lovely. I have enough Skull Pass to last me though, I bought two sets back in the day that made the guts of two armies.
Meanwhile, in Nottingham:
'Ok, so they bought the incomplete 3rd ed. starter sprues. But I bet you a second wave of squats that you can't get them to buy 4th ed. again'
Depending on price I'll get it. This came out in a period of time I wasn't actively hobbying and the terrain is nice. I have some of those tactical marines I've picked up over the years, they all had terrible mold lines and / or mold slip issues. Hope they have fixed that.
I love the BoM terrain, and IIRC it was never released separately so this would be a great chance to get it, but I have less than zero interest in the rest of the set, so unless it's very, very cheap I can't see myself buying one. Still, it was a very popular set and the stepping on point for a whole lot of people so I can see it selling pretty well.
Not sure who this is for. Bad old tyranid models that have been replaced by better new versions, bad old space marine models that almost don’t even have a unit for them in the new rules, and cool terrain that doesn’t have much in game impact as it’s just short difficult terrain. And will probably cost too much.
I'm dumb and bought a sealed copy of BfM this year and have plenty of starter set marines in dedicated squads, but this could be interesting for the crashed lander terrain if the price is right (which it won't be). I feel like reissuing these as just the plastics misses the point of the nostalgia buying of old boxed sets. The box and rules and paperwork are a bit part of the draw for collectors (speaking from experience).
Not something I'm be picking up but I quite liked BfMc (pronounced "BifMic" in my imagination") back then. The Marines were a nice reinforcement for my BA, at least two Lt Vargas figs got new heads and weapons to become IG officers and of course the Arvus terrain is great.
It might seem like odd to reissue an older set like this, but if the tooling for a plastic set exists there's really no downside to running off as many as you can sell. Its like printing money.
I definitely kicked myself back in the day for not buying this, and ended up collecting most of the minis separately over the years. I'm a little tempted by the lander terrain, but probably not enough to make the plunge.
Eh, I can make do; my current tactical squads are all meltagaun and missile launcher, so replacing a metlagun with a flamer isn't a huge deal. Was really hoping for a heavy bolter to complete my Firstborn Company Heroes.
It might seem like odd to reissue an older set like this, but if the tooling for a plastic set exists there's really no downside to running off as many as you can sell. Its like printing money.
Apart from time to cast something else. Like loonshrine so people could start armies, more legion core infantry oi practically anything seeing they can't keep up with demand.
I'd forgotten the marines are on the same sprue as some of the terrain. It's frustrating because I'd be kinda interested in the terrain but I really don't want the rest of it.
It might seem like odd to reissue an older set like this, but if the tooling for a plastic set exists there's really no downside to running off as many as you can sell. Its like printing money.
Apart from time to cast something else. Like loonshrine so people could start armies, more legion core infantry oi practically anything seeing they can't keep up with demand.
Only if they use the same machines, and I doubt it.
Only if they use the same machines, and I doubt it.
And the Loonshrine is made in China.
Where do you think the scenery was made before?
It's weird that they aren't selling the scenery made to order by itself.
Well, BfM box says Made in UK so I they should have the moulds at home. MtO made in China doesn't make sense, too - they A) don't know the amount of orders and it's B) not large enough to justify it - it's not like they can sell the rest somewhere.
Fixed as well here, price for Europe is 120€. I find it a bit expensive considering the minis are very dated, so that would be mostly for the terrain, which looks cool but not 120€ cool for me.
Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
It does cost the a slot in the production schedule and machine time. The opportunity cost of not using that time to produce something else that would be profitable/needed/out of stock.
But yes, as a MTO thing there is very minimal risk and cost to doing this. The initial investment in molds and design was paid off decades ago, so this is pure nostalgia mined profits.
Great to see this up for MtO. Gives me a small spark of hope that they might put the Skull Pass and Island of Blood boxes up for MtO when Old World is released.
Had they offered it separately I probably would have grabbed the crashed Aquilla lander, but as I already own the BfM box, I don't really need a double up of the contents. That being said, it costs less then I suspected. I was assuming it'd be $300+. Very pleased to see it for less, even if less is still extreme.
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
Oh wow, 120 euro for that? I don't say this often because normally I'm just happy to not pay for stuff I think is too expensive, but that price feels almost insulting to me, like they think we're right mugs. Counting the spore mines as minis, that comes to 3.40 a model. If the Lander was 35 euro of the price, that's still 2.40 a model.
Yeah, I'll let this pass for sure, and anything similarly priced can pass me on by too.
Da Boss wrote:This is the only starter I didn't buy between 2e and 6e. Didn't have enough to tempt with the "start a new army" fever, and I had enough marines and was not collecting tyranids at the time. I also thought the crashed spaceship was cool, but not very practical compared to the jungle + ruins of 3e or the whole pile of cardboard ruins of 2e. Little did I know it was gonna be the last time we got scenery in a starter for a long time!
I'm a bit tempted but like others, I'd absolutely love for this to have the 4e rulebook in it. I found the 3e one on Amazon a few years ago and I really enjoy it, but that 4e one was an even better rulebook imo, except for being missing the "get you by" army lists.
If IoB comes out again, I probably will pick a second one up. Those models are lovely. I have enough Skull Pass to last me though, I bought two sets back in the day that made the guts of two armies.
Hey, you stole my post! Same thing for me. Although I didn't buy 5th ed starter either, but I think I bought 2 6th ed.
Ahtman wrote:I still haven't received my Rogue Trader reprint, so meh.
Also, ditto.
Shakalooloo wrote:Well, at least this has its terrain included, one step up from that way more baffling 3rd ed starter MTO from a couple years back.
ISTR that the 3rd ed "terrain" was that horrible green & brown tree/bush thing? Not much of a loss imo. They were selling that separately at the time, so it would have been a whole different set of molds to throw in the mix.
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
New mould and maybe changing the nozzle is under half an hour. Plastic is the same so you just have to wait for the right temperature (not that much with polystyrene) and start.
With a decent price, you should have a higher number of orders. Of course, you could also choose an obscene price to cover your costs. Studied economists call this the Games Workshop way.
SgtEeveell wrote: ISTR that the 3rd ed "terrain" was that horrible green & brown tree/bush thing? Not much of a loss imo. They were selling that separately at the time, so it would have been a whole different set of molds to throw in the mix.
The trees, the ruined walls, and a Gorkamorka obstacles too, IIRC. The marines, dark eldar and land speeder were nothing to write home about.
Tamereth wrote: £90, they continue to smoke the good stuff at GWHQ.
I was really tempted till I saw that, now its a hard pass.
Same here.
There aren't a lot of models in this kit and when you consider how much you can get better sculpts for, you're looking at far too much for a bit of scenery and the pilot.
If they went full out nostalgia and offered a complete reprint including the original box and the original contents including the rulebook, then it would be worth considering.
Yeah if it had the original big rulebook and other material then it might be worth it. But that price tag on models that are just "old" and have been replaced with really awesome new ones (almost all of which very recently too so its very fresh in our mind). It's just way way freaking too much.
Nice that they are doing it, but at the same time its not really an attractive set.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
I knew the Primarus were crapping the bed, but I didn't know it hurt GW this bad. Glad I have my Tactical squads and some other older stuff. It makes me want to rock them all out, again, especially with that new stuff. Here's to the First Born, make they keep their war banner's flying.
I still have mine. There were all Mono-pose, IIRC, No options, other then what was in the box. The lander, power field fence line, and the pilot were all a hoot.
As to the Why? It's because the 'Nids are back in town and taking all comers. They're serious this time around, especially with that new Codex, and those add on Beasts and Freaks. Combine Macragge and Leviathan, and you have a serious contender for table wiping of the week.
I have a sprout of a Genestealer army starting, with the base group and some add-ons from Space Hulk, so seeing these all over again give me an incentive to drag out the old ones and blow the dust off them.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
The Gaunts have Spinefist options after this iteration... THIS was the box set that put the fear back into Horde Armies, and Nids came back out of obscurity with a vengeance. After 3rd was when we started seeing the big guys and Ol' One Eye started nipping at your heels.
2 Waves of shooters, then send in the spine fists, then send in the Hormagaunts and Stealers... Bad day in Mudville.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
Those were the 2nd edition warriors. They had a lot of options in their blisters (well, only one in each).
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
New mould and maybe changing the nozzle is under half an hour. Plastic is the same so you just have to wait for the right temperature (not that much with polystyrene) and start.
With a decent price, you should have a higher number of orders. Of course, you could also choose an obscene price to cover your costs. Studied economists call this the Games Workshop way.
And that under half hour is machine sitting empty and not casting stuff that a) would sell out instantly b) is chronically out of stock.
It always entertains me that people think they know more about this than games workshop, a company with a market cap of 3.3 billion pounds. They didn't get that big by making bad economic decisions
I think there’s a lot of overthinking the decision to sell these old starter sets, they are clearly just a nostalgia cash grab, make some money of old moulds they are most likely binning and it must have worked for the last one for them to do it again.
As for finecast, this explains the “thinking” behind this car crash, all compromises and bad objectives.
MaxT wrote: It always entertains me that people think they know more about this than games workshop, a company with a market cap of 3.3 billion pounds. They didn't get that big by making bad economic decisions
You're right. Very much like Amazon, they got that big on the back of a global pandemic...
Same price but it's exactly like the old starter (rules, dice, whippy sticks and clear plastic templates!) and I'd be tempted. But I'm sure they don't really have the production capability for that any more.
MaxT wrote: It always entertains me that people think they know more about this than games workshop, a company with a market cap of 3.3 billion pounds. They didn't get that big by making bad economic decisions
It always amazes me when people think that Games Workshop is some inscrutable or unknowable company that us mere mortals couldn't begin to fathom.
Hey Bob I found those old plates for the Battle of Macragge set in the warehouse.
Oh cool
Hey how about we put them up for sale on Christmas? Nids and Marines are really popular right now and it was a big set in its day
Sure thing, oh but make it made-to-order. I don't want to use the machines to make it over Christmas.
Is probably how it went or something like that. Sometimes I don't think there's some big deep meaning behind releases, esp a made to order old thing like this. Sometimes Gw acts like a big firm with lots of user data and metrics and stuff; other times it acts like an excited geek in a toysho....hobby store.
Overread wrote: Hey Bob I found those old plates for the Battle of Macragge set in the warehouse.
Oh cool
Hey how about we put them up for sale on Christmas? Nids and Marines are really popular right now and it was a big set in its day
Sure thing, oh but make it made-to-order. I don't want to use the machines to make it over Christmas.
Is probably how it went or something like that. Sometimes I don't think there's some big deep meaning behind releases, esp a made to order old thing like this. Sometimes Gw acts like a big firm with lots of user data and metrics and stuff; other times it acts like an excited geek in a toysho....hobby store.
This, exactly. Peachy described GW as being a big global company that is still run like a cottage industry. Sums it up perfectly.
I won’t be buying any of this stuff, not being a GW defender or anything I just don’t think this release is a big deal or having a huge impact on their production or warehousing issues. It’s just a bit of fun.
Battle for Macragge was THE starter set for me... And seeing it again, suddenly, out of nowhere like that, it brings a lot of nostalgia, indeed. Ahhh, the 4th edition... But seeing it now, its a testimony of how far we went in such a small timeframe ! Yeah the models weren't exactly the best even in those times but nowadays I have no incentive buying it. It's like in old game of PS2 : I cherish the memory but actually playing it wouldn't be a good experience anymore
I got my copy of BfM from Barnes and Noble at the end of their partnership with GW (at that time). Someone forgot to sticker it discounted, forgot to sticker all the GW stuff as discounted, because when I went to buy it it was 75% off! I rushed back to the GW display and grabbed as much as I could, including boxes of Space Hulk-era Genestealers and Spinny-waist SH Terminators (amusingly priced at 5 for $50 or something ridiculous like that). I bought all that I had the cash for (this was back then, you see), and asked if they would put the rest on hold for me. Since there were no bargain stickers, they did! When I returned a few days later, each of the boxes had been reduced to $1!!
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
Yea, not trolling, not arguing good or bad or whatever, but is any person really interested in this set, especially since the Tyranid side was literally redone like a few months ago with much better miniatures? This is a serious question.
Yeah that's why I feel its like my earlier post, something done on a spur of a moment rather than any deep technical research into a potential customerbase. Another reason its a made-to-order without any apparent pre-stock.
Basically GW threw this out and if someone wants to get it they can and if not they don't have too.
If it doesn't sell well it doesn't matter, the mould was paid off years ago so in theory any sales are just profit for GW at this stage.
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
I bought the 3rd ed one, because I wanted the marines for my bitsbox, the land soeeder for its own right, and the warriors because I wanted a 3rd ed Deldar army anyway. I will admit however, I am the one specific person this box hit. 99% won’t care.
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
New mould and maybe changing the nozzle is under half an hour. Plastic is the same so you just have to wait for the right temperature (not that much with polystyrene) and start.
With a decent price, you should have a higher number of orders. Of course, you could also choose an obscene price to cover your costs. Studied economists call this the Games Workshop way.
And that under half hour is machine sitting empty and not casting stuff that a) would sell out instantly b) is chronically out of stock.
Again : we don't know if they use the same machines for the old moulds - they could use older ones. And lacking sprues isn't the only possible reason why things are out of stock - they also need printed boxes and building instructions. Moulds also need maintenance and occasionally repair.
You seem also to overestimate the run of each mould on a machine. With some exceptions (starter boxes or bases) they don't (and can't) produce the same sprue nonstop for several weeks - their machine park just isn't big enough and enough models consist of more than one sprue (and no - you can't just make a huge mould with several sprues combined and put it on a large machine...).
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
That’s the question here, no idea who would be interested in any of the old starter sets, my only guess is they made enough selling the 3rd edition one to sell the 4th. But no idea who would want either.
The ORKS in assault on black reach still seem sought after and have aged quite well so that could be ok, but the marines are garbage in that box too.
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
Yea, not trolling, not arguing good or bad or whatever, but is any person really interested in this set, especially since the Tyranid side was literally redone like a few months ago with much better miniatures? This is a serious question.
I was genuinely interested until I saw the price tag.
Oh, well, here's hoping GW will do a MTO for the 2nd Edition boxed set!
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
I'm strongly considering it - I've been looking for the terrain for a while, and haven't seen it for a reasonable price for a while. The tactical squad can go into a DA Proper Marine contingent, alongside the ones from Dark Vengeance. Less sure what I'll do with the Nids, admittedly.
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
I'm strongly considering it - I've been looking for the terrain for a while, and haven't seen it for a reasonable price for a while. The tactical squad can go into a DA Proper Marine contingent, alongside the ones from Dark Vengeance. Less sure what I'll do with the Nids, admittedly.
streetsamurai wrote: Wonder who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???
I'm strongly considering it - I've been looking for the terrain for a while, and haven't seen it for a reasonable price for a while. The tactical squad can go into a DA Proper Marine contingent, alongside the ones from Dark Vengeance. Less sure what I'll do with the Nids, admittedly.
...and you still haven't ^^
I've seen the terrain sitting on the wargaming trading group on FB for the last week at £25 and nobody has even given a comment of interest.
"who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???"
Really?
Minis are minis and Oldhammer, collector completionism, unfinished collections, Nostalgia, Warhammer fans, miniatures fans etc... How is this so hard to understand? It's not like we are not ourselves miniature fans that buy silly expensive kits on a weekly basis just to add to a gigantic pile. Theres no difference.
Or are we back to the Rhetoric - I dont like this specific set of minis, its too pricy for me and I cannot understand who in the world could have a different opinion.
So "these people" are just having fun doing what they want to do with their hobby. shock horror I know.
"who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???"
Really?
Minis are minis and Oldhammer, collector completionism, unfinished collections, Nostalgia, Warhammer fans, miniatures fans etc... How is this so hard to understand? It's not like we are not ourselves miniature fans that buy silly expensive kits on a weekly basis just to add to a gigantic pile. Theres no difference.
Or are we back to the Rhetoric - I dont like this specific set of minis, its too pricy for me and I cannot understand who in the world could have a different opinion.
So "these people" are just having fun doing what they want to do with their hobby. shock horror I know.
I'd probably be lumped in with the Oldhammer crowd at this point and admit that a disproportionate number of my GW buys have been driven by interest in the old (I just bought a very out-of-date FW book as one of my more expensive hobby purchases this year because I liked the story from, umm, "previewing" a copy), but this set is really mediocre. Assets include a cheap box dread body, a decent base for a captain (though one of their worst box captains otherwise, IMHO of course), some okay area terrain, an interesting objective guy, and I guess some ancient infantry on both sides. Strip out the "cheap" part, and there's not much left beyond the terrain and guy. I remember getting that set and it wasn't all that impressive back then even: GW has gotten vastly better at making monopose and snap fit models that don't sacrifice a lot of quality; these guys were for the most part just worse than other models contemporary with them.
Yes, yes, we all get it, different strokes and all that, but seriously, I have a hard time seeing what value or position are you defending in this low-effort reprint of some mediocre content, other than "everyone should be able to participate in capitalism, no matter how 'decrepit' the product": care to enlighten the rest of us? It seems you know something we don't.
"who are these people that buy these overpriced decrepit old models???"
Really?
Minis are minis and Oldhammer, collector completionism, unfinished collections, Nostalgia, Warhammer fans, miniatures fans etc... How is this so hard to understand? It's not like we are not ourselves miniature fans that buy silly expensive kits on a weekly basis just to add to a gigantic pile. Theres no difference.
Or are we back to the Rhetoric - I dont like this specific set of minis, its too pricy for me and I cannot understand who in the world could have a different opinion.
So "these people" are just having fun doing what they want to do with their hobby. shock horror I know.
I'd probably be lumped in with the Oldhammer crowd at this point and admit that a disproportionate number of my GW buys have been driven by interest in the old (I just bought a very out-of-date FW book as one of my more expensive hobby purchases this year because I liked the story from, umm, "previewing" a copy), but this set is really mediocre. Assets include a cheap box dread body, a decent base for a captain (though one of their worst box captains otherwise, IMHO of course), some okay area terrain, an interesting objective guy, and I guess some ancient infantry on both sides. Strip out the "cheap" part, and there's not much left beyond the terrain and guy. I remember getting that set and it wasn't all that impressive back then even: GW has gotten vastly better at making monopose and snap fit models that don't sacrifice a lot of quality; these guys were for the most part just worse than other models contemporary with them.
Yes, yes, we all get it, different strokes and all that, but seriously, I have a hard time seeing what value or position are you defending in this low-effort reprint of some mediocre content, other than "everyone should be able to participate in capitalism, no matter how 'decrepit' the product": care to enlighten the rest of us? It seems you know something we don't.
If you actually "get it" then you answered your question.
You and many old vets like myself collected this very very niche hobby ages ago when it was not very popular, back then you were surrounded with these, let me say bluntly, intolerant, ignorant comments - Why you spend money on small toys? - These have no value to me, why you spend time on this? - What a childish hobby!... and so on.
To see it here, the same shades of intolerant rhetoric regarding different perceptions of value or minis is errr. silly.
You been there and probably gone through that, why gate keep it today and look down on people that just want this box for whatever reasons floats their boat.
Not here to enlighten you but then again people who dont "get it" at this point in their hobby journeys need to look at themselves in the mirror.
From a value perspective, this is a chance to get the terrain, Pilot with the genesed container then you also get some old school marines and some nid fillers. I had the old box which had different sprues and enjoyed it then. Can see someone getting it and just having fun painting this and put it on display. Not everyone was able to get it back then so its a good chance to have a trimmed version now.
I get the printed material not being part of it but any idea why the best Tyranid part The Hive/synapse Node* is not included? And was that part of the original sprues so are these recut or what?
Not 100% sure on the name but this thing *picture not mine just from the Internet
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I get the printed material not being part of it but any idea why the best Tyranid part The Hive/synapse Node* is not included? And was that part of the original sprues so are these recut or what?
Not 100% sure on the name but this thing *picture not mine just from the Internet
The other option is that its included and GW just didn't have a render of it for the image (or forgot it was on the sprue)
True, a reverse *extra Kratos'* like happened with the Legiones Imperialis preview pictures. Although it is expressly not mentioned in the online description. We shall see.
Way too expensive, shame that the original scenario book isn't included, as we had a lot of fun with this starter back in the day. Still have my crashed Aquila, I think that set of terrain has seen the most use throughout the years ha!
Low-effort nostalgia is a rich vein that GW seem only too keen to mine (just look at TOW) - £90 for an incomplete version of a set that was fairly average 19 years ago is insulting.
Anyone who did buy it, whatever the reason, has accomplished nothing but send the message that this is acceptable, and GW will keep pushing that line.
ListenToMeWarriors wrote: I get the printed material not being part of it but any idea why the best Tyranid part The Hive/synapse Node* is not included? And was that part of the original sprues so are these recut or what?
Not 100% sure on the name but this thing *picture not mine just from the Internet
The other option is that its included and GW just didn't have a render of it for the image (or forgot it was on the sprue)
The Warhammer Community article states there will be 6 infestation nodes and has 6 in the pcture. Original BFM plastic sprues for tyranids were nearly identical except the terrain bits. Each sprue had 4 spore mines, 5 termagaunts and 3 genestealers, poses were onlu slightly different. One sprue had the 3 nodes while the other had the spawn pool. Sounds like the reprint is deliberately a double-run of one of the 3-node sprue, either becuse the 2nd tyranid mold is damaged or GW simply didn't want to bother settting it up. Either way, it's pretty doubtful we'll see the spawn pool.
MalusCalibur wrote: £90 for an incomplete version of a set that was fairly average 19 years ago is insulting..
While I agree that £90 is too high, I think your memory is tinted by current perception. This set was very well received when it was first released. While the marines are monopose, they blend in with the multipart marines of the time fairly seamlessly, and many players were extremely happy to have a bundle of new plastic genestealers. And the crashed Aquila featured on many a gaming table and hobby blog for some time.
Yeah, I remember being *very* excited about this set when it came out. Sadly, as I recall, this was the one starter set that didn't have a "real" rulebook in it, but just some basic rules and scenarios (that got some expansions in White Dwarf). Wouldn't pay their inflated price for it though, especially with it lacking the printed/rules materials.
Oddly enough, my crashed Aquila was missing the tail fin. If this had been reasonably priced, I would have been interested in picking another copy of the crashed ship alone.
Stormonu wrote: Sadly, as I recall, this was the one starter set that didn't have a "real" rulebook in it, but just some basic rules and scenarios (that got some expansions in White Dwarf). .
This was the edition that introduced the A5 format 'mini' rulebooks in the starters, with the full book sold separately. It had the full game rules, and the Battle Missions, just leaving out the other mission types, and the campaign and hobby material.
MalusCalibur wrote: £90 for an incomplete version of a set that was fairly average 19 years ago is insulting..
While I agree that £90 is too high, I think your memory is tinted by current perception. This set was very well received when it was first released. While the marines are monopose, they blend in with the multipart marines of the time fairly seamlessly, and many players were extremely happy to have a bundle of new plastic genestealers. And the crashed Aquila featured on many a gaming table and hobby blog for some time.
Yeah, I didn't buy it back then because I already had too many unfinished Marines, not because I didn't like the models. I also didn't want any Tyranids. Just the terrain wasn't enough for me to buy it then, and it is still not enough now.
Heck, I've still got Marines on sprue from the 3rd edition starter. I did put together all the Dark Eldar, even if not all of them (hardly any of them, actually) are painted.
$150 for that set is insane. I had to double check that the website wasn't set to Aussie dollarydoos or something. I would only really want the crashed ship as that's some of the coolest terrain GW have ever done, even if it isn't terribly useful on the tabletop. But it's a miss for me at that price for sure. I'm sure some people may shell out for it for the memberberries though.
