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2023/12/25 14:16:34
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
It does cost the a slot in the production schedule and machine time. The opportunity cost of not using that time to produce something else that would be profitable/needed/out of stock.
But yes, as a MTO thing there is very minimal risk and cost to doing this. The initial investment in molds and design was paid off decades ago, so this is pure nostalgia mined profits.
Great to see this up for MtO. Gives me a small spark of hope that they might put the Skull Pass and Island of Blood boxes up for MtO when Old World is released.
Had they offered it separately I probably would have grabbed the crashed Aquilla lander, but as I already own the BfM box, I don't really need a double up of the contents. That being said, it costs less then I suspected. I was assuming it'd be $300+. Very pleased to see it for less, even if less is still extreme.
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2023/12/25 18:19:52
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Oh wow, 120 euro for that? I don't say this often because normally I'm just happy to not pay for stuff I think is too expensive, but that price feels almost insulting to me, like they think we're right mugs. Counting the spore mines as minis, that comes to 3.40 a model. If the Lander was 35 euro of the price, that's still 2.40 a model.
Yeah, I'll let this pass for sure, and anything similarly priced can pass me on by too.
Da Boss wrote:This is the only starter I didn't buy between 2e and 6e. Didn't have enough to tempt with the "start a new army" fever, and I had enough marines and was not collecting tyranids at the time. I also thought the crashed spaceship was cool, but not very practical compared to the jungle + ruins of 3e or the whole pile of cardboard ruins of 2e. Little did I know it was gonna be the last time we got scenery in a starter for a long time!
I'm a bit tempted but like others, I'd absolutely love for this to have the 4e rulebook in it. I found the 3e one on Amazon a few years ago and I really enjoy it, but that 4e one was an even better rulebook imo, except for being missing the "get you by" army lists.
If IoB comes out again, I probably will pick a second one up. Those models are lovely. I have enough Skull Pass to last me though, I bought two sets back in the day that made the guts of two armies.
Hey, you stole my post! Same thing for me. Although I didn't buy 5th ed starter either, but I think I bought 2 6th ed.
Ahtman wrote:I still haven't received my Rogue Trader reprint, so meh.
Also, ditto.
Shakalooloo wrote:Well, at least this has its terrain included, one step up from that way more baffling 3rd ed starter MTO from a couple years back.
ISTR that the 3rd ed "terrain" was that horrible green & brown tree/bush thing? Not much of a loss imo. They were selling that separately at the time, so it would have been a whole different set of molds to throw in the mix.
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U - for Uranium Bomb!
N - is for No Survivors...
2023/12/25 19:03:45
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
New mould and maybe changing the nozzle is under half an hour. Plastic is the same so you just have to wait for the right temperature (not that much with polystyrene) and start.
With a decent price, you should have a higher number of orders. Of course, you could also choose an obscene price to cover your costs. Studied economists call this the Games Workshop way.
2023/12/25 19:30:08
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
SgtEeveell wrote: ISTR that the 3rd ed "terrain" was that horrible green & brown tree/bush thing? Not much of a loss imo. They were selling that separately at the time, so it would have been a whole different set of molds to throw in the mix.
The trees, the ruined walls, and a Gorkamorka obstacles too, IIRC. The marines, dark eldar and land speeder were nothing to write home about.
2023/12/25 21:34:03
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Tamereth wrote: £90, they continue to smoke the good stuff at GWHQ.
I was really tempted till I saw that, now its a hard pass.
Same here.
There aren't a lot of models in this kit and when you consider how much you can get better sculpts for, you're looking at far too much for a bit of scenery and the pilot.
If they went full out nostalgia and offered a complete reprint including the original box and the original contents including the rulebook, then it would be worth considering.
2023/12/25 21:52:46
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Yeah if it had the original big rulebook and other material then it might be worth it. But that price tag on models that are just "old" and have been replaced with really awesome new ones (almost all of which very recently too so its very fresh in our mind). It's just way way freaking too much.
Nice that they are doing it, but at the same time its not really an attractive set.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
2023/12/25 22:54:16
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
I knew the Primarus were crapping the bed, but I didn't know it hurt GW this bad. Glad I have my Tactical squads and some other older stuff. It makes me want to rock them all out, again, especially with that new stuff. Here's to the First Born, make they keep their war banner's flying.
I still have mine. There were all Mono-pose, IIRC, No options, other then what was in the box. The lander, power field fence line, and the pilot were all a hoot.
As to the Why? It's because the 'Nids are back in town and taking all comers. They're serious this time around, especially with that new Codex, and those add on Beasts and Freaks. Combine Macragge and Leviathan, and you have a serious contender for table wiping of the week.
I have a sprout of a Genestealer army starting, with the base group and some add-ons from Space Hulk, so seeing these all over again give me an incentive to drag out the old ones and blow the dust off them.
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2023/12/25 23:18:22
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
The Gaunts have Spinefist options after this iteration... THIS was the box set that put the fear back into Horde Armies, and Nids came back out of obscurity with a vengeance. After 3rd was when we started seeing the big guys and Ol' One Eye started nipping at your heels.
2 Waves of shooters, then send in the spine fists, then send in the Hormagaunts and Stealers... Bad day in Mudville.
At Games Workshop, we believe that how you behave does matter. We believe this so strongly that we have written it down in the Games Workshop Book. There is a section in the book where we talk about the values we expect all staff to demonstrate in their working lives. These values are Lawyers, Guns and Money.
2023/12/25 23:59:32
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Like I said earlier - if GW want a Tryanid fan to get nostalgic go dig out the 1st generation metals. Screamer Killer, Zoanthrope, Hive Tyrant, Gaunts and Warriors (I believe there was one generation of fully metal warriors then a plastic core kit with some metal optional weapon addons later).
I'd be down to buy a few of those (at sane prices) because whilst they are older, they are so very different to what we have now.
1st edition warriors had the sprue from Advanced Space Crusade (with boneswords or deathspitter) and a single metal miniature with just boneswords mostly sold in the US. The latter one was kinda redundant but maybe they had plans for more weapon options that were never released.
Plastic (version with Deathspitter):
Metal:
First edition Hunter-slayers (later Termagants) were just the original Tyranids from 1987. There was another larger model shown in the RT rulebook - I certainly would spend some money to get it. Also for the original Genestealer in Bryan Ansell's collection...
Hmm I'm sure there were spinefists and other metal weapons for the Warriors - though my references for that are one of the old annuals with all the parts in that's buried in boxes somewhere.
Those were the 2nd edition warriors. They had a lot of options in their blisters (well, only one in each).
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2023/12/26 00:04:49
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
Scottywan82 wrote: Ouch. That's a pass. I really cannot fathom what they are thinking with these releases. Are there that many people still out there spending this much money that we don't even have on ancient stuff we won't receive for six months?
It’s a low risk thing for GW. The moulds already exist. And being MTO, pretty much zero chance of stock not selling. A filler release to be sure, but one all but guaranteed to generate profit.
But more than say casting more of 40k/aos/hh/li stuff that's out of print?
And small print run means more of time relatively spent on swapping moulds.
New mould and maybe changing the nozzle is under half an hour. Plastic is the same so you just have to wait for the right temperature (not that much with polystyrene) and start.
With a decent price, you should have a higher number of orders. Of course, you could also choose an obscene price to cover your costs. Studied economists call this the Games Workshop way.
And that under half hour is machine sitting empty and not casting stuff that a) would sell out instantly b) is chronically out of stock.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2023/12/26 09:12:29
Subject: Battle for Macragge MTO - Starts 25th December
It always entertains me that people think they know more about this than games workshop, a company with a market cap of 3.3 billion pounds. They didn't get that big by making bad economic decisions
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