https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/incarnation
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/depths-of-cadwallon

Monolith boardgames are legit - I have their Conan game - and the pieces, although the material is PVC like, are as good or better than I have seen from some table top wargames. I really enjoyed painting them, which is a rare thing to say for a board game!

I am following these and have joined their discord. I found a really good sign this will be worth while in their introductions section, quoted below:

"Hello everyone,
my name is Didier (54). I was one of the designers, along with Edouard Guiton, of the former Confrontation and Hybrid lines few years ago.
I've been working for several months now on the revival of this wonderful universe as the line's art director.

I will be responsible for maintaining artistic consistency and its necessary visual evolution.

I truly hope you'll like this new version and that it will keep you enthusiastic. It's certainly gratifying to see the excitement surrounding this announcement. I think you're in for some surprises!"

I am looking forward to seeing how this turns out!

I'll believe it when I see it on retail shelves. Monolith is indeed legit, but this is hardly the first time somebody has tried (and so far failed) to bring back Confrontation.

I loved 3rd ed, still have my Lions and Wolfen painted armies, plus a hundred or so various PPP 4th ed plastics. Looking forward to following the project, but not sure if I'll be backing this one

Kale wrote:
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/incarnation
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/depths-of-cadwallon

Monolith boardgames are legit - I have their Conan game - and the pieces, although the material is PVC like, are as good or better than I have seen from some table top wargames. I really enjoyed painting them, which is a rare thing to say for a board game!

Two different campaigns linking to the same preview video on youtube? Is there a difference between them?

As for the Conan game, I agree Monolith is completely legit and not some fly by night company. I've seen their monsters and bigger NPC/enemies and been tempted to buy but their heroes seem ill suited for the PVC medium being very spindly and not well details due to the true scaling of their bodies (i.e. not giant heads and hands with thick torsos but instead actual human proportions). Admittedly I don't own them but seeing ebay listing with them up close, I was turned off from buying them as fantasy RPG minis unlike the monsters and "thicc" humanoids like the Picts.

Regardless, they had some great looking minis back in the day so I'm glad to see them coming back. There was a questionable crowdfunder about a decade or more back that imploded spectacularly by a completely different company from what I remember. In case anyone sees that, that debacle has no relation to this upcoming campaign other than being based on the same core late 90s IP.

Having one of the original designers as one of the core people working on it is a good omen.

I was quite surprised as none of the other groups that tried to restart it has had any of the original designers, and I thought they had abandoned it.

 warboss wrote:

Kale wrote:
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/incarnation
https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/depths-of-cadwallon

Monolith boardgames are legit - I have their Conan game - and the pieces, although the material is PVC like, are as good or better than I have seen from some table top wargames. I really enjoyed painting them, which is a rare thing to say for a board game!

Two different campaigns linking to the same preview video on youtube? Is there a difference between them?

Supposedly. Their Facebook uses the one preview video while stating that they're using the IP across 5 different games.

How many times does this poor corpse have to get kicked around the place before people let it rest

MaxT wrote:
How many times does this poor corpse have to get kicked around the place before people let it rest

Ask Mutant Chronicles

 warboss wrote:


Two different campaigns linking to the same preview video on youtube? Is there a difference between them?

One looks to be a Skirmish game like the original Confrontation. The other is a dungeon crawler set in the catacombs under Cadwallon.

 Sacredroach wrote:

 warboss wrote:


Two different campaigns linking to the same preview video on youtube? Is there a difference between them?

One looks to be a Skirmish game like the original Confrontation. The other is a dungeon crawler set in the catacombs under Cadwallon.

Thanks. Admittedly I'm certainly not a gaming magnate but it seems like rebooting an old line with a history of a really bad reboot already by a completely different entity might be better done with one campaign moreso that two (simultaneous? sequential?)... YMMV.

Regardless, I'm glad to see it coming back potentially at all.

Loved my Devourers in Confrontation - enjoyed playing but old and don't game much now so likely not bother but happy to see what happens

I really really enjoyed the mini design, sculpts, concept art, Illustrations etc. Confrontation lives in my memory ( and the minis in my pile of potential) as something that very rarely happens in this industry.
The passion of that team was visible in all its forms, even the magazine Cryhavoc was groundbreaking.
The sculpting, miniature NMM painting the cards artwork, mini book in every blister... all of it was above everything at that time, I can only imagine if they managed to keep it alive.

Best of luck, even if the many failed past attempts smudge the confidence of many seasoned fans.

I hope this goes well, I really do. That art and sculpting style deserves to be on the table, and read at leisure.

2 Different campaigns with the same IP that last time it was brought back was a disaster where no one got anything and far as I last recall the manager of the whole thing was taken to court (because they started multiple companies and sub-firms and then bankrupted them over and over whilst at the same time funnelling all the campaign money into them or somesuch).


I dunno, honestly at this stage I think if you want that style of models go to Sigum Games - they've been doing the style and growing for years and have kept growing even whilst being based in Ukraine (start of the war they had to relocate their whole operation in the middle of doing a kickstarter - and they delivered on it too).


I wish them luck, but 2 different campaigns built on a franchise that has been dead in the water and used for scams just doesn't scream a healthy starting point.

I also looked at the previous confrontation revivals, and thank god I didn't give into temptation and backed them.

There seems to be one difference here - the previous ones were based on having the original molds or recasting original miniatures. This claims to be a restart from at least some of the originals crew.

Sigum games models do look good and very Rackham, on the 3d print side Titan forge miniatures also have some of the flair.

As a note, I am also a huge fan of Signum games, and have hundreds of their figures too. I really enjoyed their Fantasy Commander (20mm scale) and the initial incarnation of Legends of Signum. I have not played Warseer, but have heard good things.

I actually know Konstantin, but I have literally no idea how we met...I think he bought a bunch of Rackham stuff from me back in the early 2010s.

Totally looking forward to Monolith's addition ot the Rackham's legend.

Kale wrote:
I also looked at the previous confrontation revivals, and thank god I didn't give into temptation and backed them.

There seems to be one difference here - the previous ones were based on having the original molds or recasting original miniatures. This claims to be a restart from at least some of the originals crew..

I just think its a poor taste/concept to start 2 crowd funding campaigns for a franchise which already burned a large number of die-hard customers with what was basically a scam campaign (from what I can tell the lower tier staff were honest; but management was not).

Just who is going to back this campaign? Original fans of the franchise (which died decades ago) are already most likely burned from the last failed campaign.

Honestly I'd love to see the style return, but I think its the kind of thing that if you want it to happen; the business has to take the first step and actually make and release something to market. THEN consider crowd funding for rapid expansion/growth

I would not be shocked if this campaign gets a LOT of comments referencing the previous failures and won't hit the goals that it should as an IP because of all those dramas; even if they've got one of the original staff working for them

There does seem to be a lot of interest still - the discord is one of the busiest I am on, and its running in five languages (English, French, German, Spanish and Italian).

Poor concept possibly - depends why the previous ones failed. I know one was run by a fraudster (the kickstarter) but cant remember why the other failed (IP issues?).

Poor taste less so as there are more than those two doing minis inspired by or incorperating the humour/dynamism/stylisation of Rackham. Giving up because idiots and criminals have taken advantage of it is a poor show, but I know people do follow one bitten twice shy.

I will keep an eye on it and let you all know how its going. I hope it works - I loved the style, and they had so much potential as a skirmish game (and wargame if they jumped to plastic).

They have a website again https://rackhamgames.com/

A few months ago it had a placeholder for the 2026 "rebirth" but now it's this.

And a few people have posted minis on instagram. I can't find all those but a few images from 2025 can be found here: https://www.instagram.com/confederation_du_dragon_rouge and one of their posts links to the Monolith instagram: https://www.instagram.com/monolithboardgames/

Kale wrote:

Poor taste less so as there are more than those two doing minis inspired by or incorperating the humour/dynamism/stylisation of Rackham.

I meant poor taste in so much as its a poor choice to run crowd-funders on a game that's been dead for a long time and previous major crowd funding attempts utterly failed to deliver upon. Yes they were handled under other teams, but that doesn't change the fact that a core of loyal fans have nothing for their investment in the franchise.

I'd rather have seen them take longer to bring the game to market on their own, even as a simple starter with only a handful of models THEN go for crowd funding to grow and expand. I think that would have a vastly greater chance of raising loads of hype and cash. Right now I feel like loads of people will be on the fence and even those pledging will be going for low tier options not top tier.

One's a dungeoncrawler, the other a PvP wargame. About the same number of Followers for both.

Depths of Cadwallon by Monolith Board Games
Descend beneath the Free City of Cadwallon in a fantasy dungeon crawler where misfits, mercenaries and treasure hunters brave forgotten ruins, deadly creatures and buried secrets in search of glory and riches. Also, expand this journey through The Book of Aarklash, the definitive lorebook of the universe.

Incarnation by Monolith Board Games
Lead Incarnated heroes and elite warriors into battle in a tactical fantasy skirmish game set in the reborn world of Aarklash. Explore its legends, peoples and forgotten history through The Book of Aarklash, the definitive lorebook of the universe.

EDIT: I also think Monolith should have led with the PvP game, as that's the game Confrontation fans wanted. They could have added an "Exclusive" dungeoncrawl ruleset using the Incarnation miniatures (cf. Skyrim boardgame miniatures includes a Call to Arms miniature game intro), and set up a beta testing group to measure interest in a dungeoncrawler. I've seen no interest or a suggestion of a Cadwallon dungeoncrawl on Lead Adventures Forum.

I've been following Monolith's projects since Conan. They regularly crowdfund boardgames and RPG's based on IP's: Conan, Batman, Berserk, etc., as well as their own Mythic Battles line.
https://gamefound.com/en/creators/monolith-board-games-sarl?ref=project_home-11336

I backed the original Conan KS, original Mythic Battles KS, and much later Batman RPG miniatures. No problems with fulfillment, although miniature prices have gone up (shipping killed crowdfunding after Covid) and I'm "meh" on dice-based mechanics. Nowadays, if you're not married to an IP, you can still drop $$$$ on bulk miniatures on sale from an OLGS.

Yes, the Sans Detour crowdfunding of Cadwallon, which I also followed closely, was a horrible mess -- and had a ridiculous number of red flags. But IP's are not the business. While the IP may attract your attention, it's the company licensing the IP you watch out for. Sadly, because not all crowdfunders understand this, many IPs do not get a second chance. (Of course, the original license holders vary in how responsible they are protecting their licenses, and who actually owns a license can be a byzantine maze in itself.)

As for retail, Monolith tried selling Conan (this was many years ago) retail, and ended up *losing* money on each sale b/c distributors, this one Asmodee, require a hefty discount, something like 40%. And Conan was available in the clearance bins for awhile at various OLGS's. So, afaik, Monolith uses crowdfunding to "franchise" a game line. New game for the same game system, and all that. If you want to hold off on backing this time, maybe they'll have another one in a few more years. That's how I bought the Batman miniatures, since I wasn't interested in pay for them through the original boardgame KS.

Finally, after the Sans Detour debacle, a small one-man (?) company DID acquire the rights to Cadwallon / Confrontation. The rights ended up being owned by a computer game or software company (!?!) who was not interested in publishing the game. His name is gibby64 and he posted and released some metal miniatures, but I can't find any 2026 posts. LAF's and my impression from his posts was that he actually cared about the product line. Pretty obviously, a one-man company casting metal can't support an in-demand IP like a "larger" company could, so it makes sense for a company like Monolith to "kickstart" the Cadwallon IP again, though I don't know their licensing agreement, nor if he'll be supporting the game with new figures once Monolith passes onto it's next project. Anyway, here's a link so you can see for yourself and contact gibby64 if you're interested. You'll need to sign up so you can see the Search function. https://www.leadadventureforum.com/index.php?board=18.0

I think it's a mistake for them to try running 2 campagins at once, even if it is for different games in the IP universe

first it's going to look back to potential backers who, as has been said, have been burned before, even if they do want to give monolith a chance 2 projects = twice the risk

second folk who like rackams IP and style have a limited amount of spare cash, running both at once risks neither pulling in enough money (and if they do fund, funding to a lower more risky level)

third one project at a time gives more scope for fixing problems (eg how well rackhams style sculpts respond to whatever medium/plastic they end up using). with 2 projects needing time slots at a factory, or factories there's a lot more pressure to push ahead with something thats not quite right rather than taking the time to resculpt (or re-size stuff to account for shrinkage)

Well, it looks like Confrontation is *not* returning, at least the ruleset.

"Incarnation is not a new edition of Confrontation. It is a new beginning. Learn how old collections, new miniatures and a new generation of players will meet in the world of Aarklash."

"Our current intention is that historical Rackham miniatures will be playable in Incarnation whenever a corresponding profile already exists in the game."

https://gamefound.com/en/projects/monolith-board-games-sarl/incarnation/updates/1

Yeah, if it's a total new ruleset what's the point? That's wy conf is still played now.

The point is the setting and models.

A new rules system makes a lot of sense considering that the old system is decades old and is likely only currently played by die-hard fans (who weren't burned out on the last KS mess).

Esp if the game is going to round bases and new scupts. That means rebuilding some parts of the core rules just to account for likely movement differences and so forth.

The universe, the art, miniatures and skirmish game was what made Confrontation stand out from the rest, If they manage to capture a few of those achievements, that will be a great thing.

I don't think its realistic to think that a company would continue Confrontation exactly from the point that it stopped, there will always be compromises and I bet that its extremely hard to even get all those minis back into production.

You have to start somewhere.

The old minis may belong to the original owners, and I don't really blame Monolith for not wanting to ask.

Steamforged and Ignition Core got Warmachine and Relic Knights back up with some limitations thanks to cooperation from the old owners. Monolith does not have have that luxury anyway, so seing how it goes should be interesting.

Hi,
I’m the founder of Monolith and the designer of Conan, Batman, and Depths of Cadwallon (along with about 15 other games).
I just wanted to clear the air and provide some context regarding our upcoming campaigns:

1. The IP ownership: The company Sans Détour never actually acquired the Rackham IP. They only managed to recover some of the molds and re-registered the trademarks. We officially acquired the Rackham IPs from the Paris Commercial Court in 2024, during a reopening of the Rackham judicial liquidation.

2. About Monolith: Monolith has raised over €35 million over the past 10 years. Today, it is managed by my business partner, Marc Nunes, who is the founder of Asmodee (a company he was still running not too long ago and where he still sits on the Board). I think it's safe to say we are the polar opposite of a company like Sans Détour.

3. Timeline: The two campaigns will not run at the same time. Depths of Cadwallon (DoC) will launch 8 months later.

4. The Project Scope: This is a comprehensive program centered around the IP. It will include a massive (and incredibly lore-rich) sourcebook, a future Roleplaying Game in partnership with Modiphius (though not powered by their 2D20 system), and a whole series of comic books. My partner Marc and I are investing very heavily in this IP, and to do it justice, we are working with many of the original Rackham creators and collaborators.
Really wish all is clearer.
Thank you.

This sounds terrific. I missed out on Confrontation completely first time around so I'm pretty stoked for this.

Thanks for the update, sounds exciting!

Fred Henry. Monolith wrote:

2. About Monolith: Monolith has raised over €35 million over the past 10 years. Today, it is managed by my business partner, Marc Nunes, who is the founder of Asmodee (a company he was still running not too long ago and where he still sits on the Board). I think it's safe to say we are the polar opposite of a company like Sans Détour.

3. Timeline: The two campaigns will not run at the same time. Depths of Cadwallon (DoC) will launch 8 months later.

Thanks for clarifying this, especially #3. I'm excited to see what you all do with it!

Yeah its very encouraging news indeed!

Hopefully its all that Confrontation needs to finally find its way back onto the market!

great to hear the two KS are not running at the same time, i think that will make people much more likely to back (and back both)

Thank you all so much for the warm welcome.
I know the IP is a sensitive topic, but I can assure you we are doing our absolute best. We are far from perfect, but I can promise you that we are truly dedicated to giving it our all.

So long as the Wolfen are biologically accurate and have six nipples each I'll be happy.

Fred Henry. Monolith wrote:
Thank you all so much for the warm welcome.
I know the IP is a sensitive topic, but I can assure you we are doing our absolute best. We are far from perfect, but I can promise you that we are truly dedicated to giving it our all.

Thanks for dropping in and contributing. We are eager to see the vision unfold.

Monolith make good games and really nice minis. I'm a big fan of both Conan and the Mythic Battles series.

I will say that their communications during (and after) campaigns is usually frustratingly poor, and their customer service is known to be spotty, but I'll likely be supporting the Confrontation campaigns.