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**reds8n**

get'em here !

The Fire prism one is nasty, as is the Karandras one !

Does anyone else think that perhaps the defender squads of Black Guardians should get BS 4 ?

**Boss Salvage**

GeeDub site going so slow ......

Land Raider Ares
Grey Knights Redeemer Force
The Lost and the Damned (!)
Shadow Sect of Karandras
Eldar Sunstorm Squadron
Kroot Mercenaries
Piranha Swarm
Blank Datasheet

Those the new ones, right? Groovy

- Salvage

EDIT: Ulthwe Strike Force new too?

**AlexCage**

Uh.

Is there a particular reason the Land Raider Ares (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/datasheets/assets/Land_Raider_Ares.pdf) is written.. in pen? Does that disconcern anyone else?

PS:

"If at any point after the Grey Knights have entered play there are no Chaos models on the table, the Chaos player may control the Grey Knights as if they were his own troops as they begin the purification of those who have witnessed the Warp Breach"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

(also possibly the longest run-on sentence in GW history)

**Alpharius Walks**

I'm more amused by the rule that if the Grey Knights Redeemer Force succeeds in killing all of the Daemons on the board the Chaos player gets control of the Grey Knights models. Oh and if the opponent isn't using a Greater Daemon or Warp Rift they cannot enter play at all?

**92acclude**

The Ares datasheet is just done in a font that looks like handwriting.

**Boss Salvage**

AlexCage wrote:Uh.

Is there a particular reason the Land Raider Ares (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/datasheets/assets/Land_Raider_Ares.pdf) is written.. in pen? Does that disconcern anyone else?

My guess? To infer that players can print out the blank sheet and write up their own vehicles & datasheets. It did catch me by surprise though.

Also like to note the distinct lack of eviscerators for the Kroot Mercs, as well as the interesting little change with the master shaper.

Oh, and the prism sheet is ... intense

- Salvage

**reds8n**

AlexCage wrote:Uh.

Is there a particular reason the Land Raider Ares (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/datasheets/assets/Land_Raider_Ares.pdf) is written.. in pen? Does that disconcern anyone else?

that's explained in the article under the Blank datasheet, in an article that quite frankly would have been of tremendous use if it had been published when Apoc. was first released. Like in a monthly magazine that's to do with the hobby. Possibly published in-house. Possibly..... oh, you see where I'm going with this.

No more powerfists for my mutant bosses then ?

.

**kingayummayumma**

The Ares is an "example" datasheet from this article about making your own vehicles and datasheets:
http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/scratch/default.htm

**AlexCage**

Ok so, reading the accompanying article (particularly this bit http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/scratch/3.htm given the mention of the Iron Warriors Basilisk) and with the inclusion of the LATD list, I've come to a conclusion.

Apocolypse is GW's way of shielding themselves (in their eyes) from all possible malice towards them for totally nixing units or entire armies! Which also gives them freedom to do it far more often (That may be a stretch, though).

So say when the Space Wolf Codex Redeux comes out, they completely chop out the Leman Russ Exterminator. The only justification they give? "You can use it in Apocolypse!".

When IG Doctrines go the way of the DoDo... "We're releasing a set of brand new datasheets, all for the Guard!"

When people say "What about the Squats?" they'll get "Check out the newest set of Datafaxes!" or even better "Use them as 'Counts As' Imperial Guard with doctri- err, rather, using a datafax..."

And when Dark Eldar finally get discontinued... well.. actually I guess they probably won't bother releasing a datafax.... No one would download it.

Maybe that's a bit too pesimistic (unusual for me). Maybe it's GW's way of making up for shafting LATD and Iron Warriors players. If nothing else, it does promise some really interesting datasheets to come, I think.

**Stelek**

AlexCage wrote:Uh.

Is there a particular reason the Land Raider Ares (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/apocalypse/gaming/datasheets/assets/Land_Raider_Ares.pdf) is written.. in pen? Does that disconcern anyone else?

It's got the old Car Wars datasheets look.

AlexCage wrote:
PS:

"If at any point after the Grey Knights have entered play there are no Chaos models on the table, the Chaos player may control the Grey Knights as if they were his own troops as they begin the purification of those who have witnessed the Warp Breach"

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

(also possibly the longest run-on sentence in GW history)

Yeah that is hilarious. HEY KILL MY GREATER DEMON! HEY! STOP RUNNING AWAY FROM ME! KILL ME! HEY! lol

**Shibboleth02**

It's printed in a "handwritten" font because that datasheet is an example of a homemade sheet. The model was made by Nathan Bishop, who has this Dark Angels website: http://chamber42.com/blog/

You can see the Ares Landraider on his website, as well: http://www.chamber42.com/galleries/armoury/armoury.html

**Necros**

Wow... I really like that Land Raider Ares.. Just because it's so big. I have a land raider and 3 vindicators waiting to be built for my chaos army... I think I may just go and build that instead

**Anung Un Rama**

yippy ka yay, lost and the damned are back!!! well sort of, actually, I was quite happy with the pleague zombies.

that Land Raider is awsome, to bad I don't play Marines

and that last Grey Knight Rule is hilarious

edit: so, whre is the new ork stuff? don't tell me I'll have to wait till january....

**Darrian13**

I can't wait to use the Grey Knights datasheet. I just have to make sure that my opponents play Chaos and bring the greater demons.

Darrian

**Alpharius Walks**

Darrian13 wrote:I can't wait to use the Grey Knights datasheet. I just have to make sure that my opponents play Chaos and bring the greater demons.

Darrian

Let me know the next time you are bringing your Grey Knights to a GE event-I will bring a Greater Daemon just for you to kill.

**vogelfrei**

It might be a bit off topic...

What do you think about using Apoc rules in a 1750-2000 points games with FOCs and standard scenarios? (With no tactical assets and super heavies being used.)

**Easy E**

I guess this means the Kroot Mercs and LaTD as seperate 40K lists is dead.

Also, Blank Document- Awesome!

**Anung Un Rama**

well, some of those don't look to overpowered, I woulnd't mind playing against the kroot or LatD in normal games. same thing goes for the zombies

**Mahu**

The Land Raider Ares is awsome, and much more interesting then the Terminus Ultra. Especially since I am a DA player. I would switch the HF for Multimeltas or Heavy Bolters.

**AdrianG**

Somewhere on the US site, there is an article on making your own Datasheets, anyone know the link?
Possible that the Ares is an "example" of this?

EDIT: Ignore that, it's linked on the datasheet page. Must clean my glasses

**snorkle**

The make your own datasheet link is right under the link to the blank datasheet. But it's not very helpful. It just says that you shouldn't be ambitious when designing datasheets and it also doesn't give you any concrete ruls for your designs.

**kingayummayumma**

Plus I posted it further up on the thread... and its on the Apocalypse page of the GW site.

**JohnHwangDD**

Wow. The LatD players managed to get GW to give them a datasheet for their Mutants... And here, people were thinking LatD was dead. We should have had more faith in GW.

**dogma**

Love the Ares..most likely because, on a whim, I built something exactly like that a few years ago. Now I can actually use it in a game.

**H.B.M.C.**

That Lost & the Damned sheet is horrible. They really are damned. So much for one of the most characterful armies in the game...

BYE

**malfred**

JohnHwangDD wrote:Wow. The LatD players managed to get GW to give them a datasheet for their Mutants... And here, people were thinking LatD was dead. We should have had more faith in GW.

Sounds like one of those Impeial loudspeakers repeating the dogma.

"More faith. Less Dakka."

**Abadabadoobaddon**

JohnHwangDD wrote:And here, people were thinking LatD was dead.

No Johnny, LatD isn't dead. He's just gone away... gone away to a better place... a place far away... a place called "Apocalypse" where he'll have lots of grass and apples to eat and plenty of room to run around and play with all the other armies... a place where he'll be happy... forever. No Johnny, I don't think he'll be coming back, but I'm sure we'll see him again... someday...

Come on Abby... keep it together... gotta be strong... can't cry in front of little Johnny...

**Kid_Kyoto**

So wait... rather than reprint or update the vehicle design rules their solution is 'make it up'?

OK...

"The Hand of the Emperor"
AV 20/20/20
Living metal
S - Special

Sometimes, such as when 3 wraithlords are fielded, the Space Emporer gets real (x2) mad and reaches down with his hand (represented by the players hand) and grabs the offending unit and smites it (represented by picking up your opponent's model and hurling it against the wall).

**stonefox**

Sweet idea KK! I'm now confused and surprised you haven't started a thread on the Space Emporer's new vehicles for his rainbow marines yet.

**akira5665**

Hey KK. I actually have 2 of those Figs. They are nice.