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So, is this the current most likely lineup for major 40k releases?

Spring: Codex Daemonica, Planetstrike
Summmer: 5th edition
Fall: Codex Space Wolves

Or is there something else on the rumor mill I'm missing? Guard? Dark Eldar?

As a SW player, I'm not sure what to make of potentially having the first 5th ed codex...

Why oh why would they release a 'dex for a single marine chapter when the main SM dex needs a rework to the current standard? (That and getting it in right at the beginning before Codex Creep)

I have heard the rumours of all of these. Space Marines makes the most sense, as it would tend to set the balance the same as the other codexes they have recently released.

Dark Eldar and Space Wolves would be easy if they just did updates and didn't bring out new models. But rumour is there aren't a lot of new models for the Dark Eldar.

It's really hard to guess.

Space Wolves
Space Marines
Dark Eldar

I cant speak for second edition, but SM have been the first release for both 3rd and 4th editions.

My money is on SM as the first codex release. its GW's money making baby. I am sure they will get the most attention.

That said, SW do seem like a likely possibilty as well. It is a SM chapter, they havent had a release in quite a long time.

I think it depends on what will be in the new boxed set, if there is one... back in 3rd it was SM followed by DE codex, then Chaos et al

Hellfury wrote:I cant speak for second edition, but SM have been the first release for both 3rd and 4th editions.

Space Wolves were first in 2nd edition. Are we returning to 2nd edition?

What's something that could be released in plastic should a new Marine Codex come out?

Land Speeder types? Land Raider Crusader? Plastic Chaplains? New bike kit with plastic riders/accessory kit?

It needs to be tied to a model release.

BYE

Drop Pods

I'd go with marines being the 1st 5th edition one. The 4th edition one is much too flexible for the current design.

I see plastic terminator commander, vets, LS varients, and maybe a new SM superheavy tank or even a warhound.

If I had a vote we'd get a re-do of the old Beakie kit and marines in historical armor too.

I thought IG was going to come out. Wasn't there a rumor somewhere that they already had the new models designed?

My guess:

C: Demons
C: Space Marines
C: Necrons or Space Pups

Though playing DoW: Soulstorm makes me realize how much DE have going for them yet ... But I still think the 'cron codex is a lot closer than people realize.

- Salvage

Toreador wrote:Dark Eldar and Space Wolves would be easy if they just did updates and didn't bring out new models. But rumour is there aren't a lot of new models for the Dark Eldar.

Seriously, if they brought out a "rules only" SW release, I'd quit the hobby. That said, rules are an advertisement for models. They'll bring out models for every release.

Hellfury wrote:I cant speak for second edition, but SM have been the first release for both 3rd and 4th editions.
My money is on SM as the first codex release. its GW's money making baby. I am sure they will get the most attention.

I think Hellfury is correct. Brimstone at warseer indicated that you could expect a SM release after 5th. Which does lead us to HBMC's point...which is absolutely correct.

H.B.M.C. wrote:It needs to be tied to a model release.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I see plastic terminator commander, vets, LS varients, and maybe a new SM superheavy tank or even a warhound.

If I had a vote we'd get a re-do of the old Beakie kit and marines in historical armor too.

I absolutely expect a Terminator Captain. Ideally, they'd produce a HQ plastic set, with two or three PA body sets with one or two TDA sets for Captain/Chaplain/Librarian. There aren't many holes left for the range. And I'd assume Drop Pods are for Planetstrike.

But I am very curious about the Wolves. I've been sitting on a pile of bitz for about two years, just waiting for new SW plastics. If they don't come fairly soon, I'm going to be disappointed.

KIL KIL KIL wrote:I think it depends on what will be in the new boxed set, if there is one... back in 3rd it was SM followed by DE codex, then Chaos et al

The new boxed set will be Orks and Space Marines.

I remember hearing after the new Space Marines codex was released there would be a chapter specific codex released every two codicies after.

Space Marines
Tau?
Black Templars
Eldar
Dark Angles
Chaos
Blood Angles

So releasing Deamons and then Space Wolves makes since in that aspect. However, if they release 5th edition soon then that could change things up as well.

Dark Eldar really need their entire line redone. The vehicles aren't too bad, but the warriors are just aweful and the witches are metal. Necrons have a lot of potential with the Dragon being released and the Outsider coming back. Something like the old Chaos codex where you can choose which Star God you want to follow. That would be pretty cool, but it's too many options for the way the current codecies are going. Hopefully they won't just rehash old stuff.

It seems unlikely that line-trooper Necrons would really change their behavior depending on which Star Vampire God they happen to belong to. That'll stay in the realm of fluff, plus a couple of new special characters at most.

Looks like tooling to take out 3+ infantry will be even more the most important thing in 40K for at least the next year or two. At least it'll be a refreshing change from playing "Duck Hunt" for skimmers every other game.

I can't vouch for the veracity, so take this with a huge grain of salt, but I heard from someone that would be in a position to know (or rather hear from someone in the know) that Space Wolves will be featured prominently in the Planetstrike supplement.

Just what I heard, don't kill the messenger.

Some time ago I heard plastic drop pods were with the wolves, and now it's plastic drop pods are with Planetstrike. 2 + 2 = It's puppy time again?

- Salvage

Necrons are fine as is.
Imperial Guard could hold hold out But a new codex would be nice.
Dark Eldar desperately need new models, They function pretty well as far as rules go.
Space Wolves Need a new codex and models. And honetly I think GW would rather guinea pig a single SM chapter rather than do something to the SM dex and have to 'fix' their mistake in the subsequent SM releases.

Honestly the SM dex is fine as is. and aside from drop pods there aren't many models that need to be redone.

gdurant wrote:Necrons are fine as is.

...

Honestly the SM dex is fine as is. and aside from drop pods there aren't many models that need to be redone.

There's been repeated rumors of changes to Necrons, particularly in line with 5th ed. Gauss = new rending, WBB = FNP, toughness boost across the board, etc.

And honestly there are a few things pretty messed up with the SM dex now, (again) particularly considering the changes to every other flavor of marine since that book came out. 5th ed should serve to bring Eldar and Nidzilla down in power a bit, and the long awaited SM redux should bring that 'über-dex' down into balance too. And then the Orks can ride the broken train over everybody

- Salvage

If they are really on the "way back" nostalgia train, Wolves could be the first 5th Codex. They were the first 2nd Edition Codex (and therefore, the first Codex, like, EVER). I don't think they are a good test bed for SM changes, because they are the most non-SM of the SM armies.

And I don't give a rat's a$$ about the whens or hows...I just want new Wolf plastics. With or NOT with Planetstrike is irrelevant.

I wonder what the chances are that the Wolves will be an expansion army in Planet Strike ala LatD. Might make sense, as their previous incarnation referenced Codex SM pretty heavily. Instead of a WD codex we will get an Appendix A codex?

Might be good, probably bad though.

dienekes96 wrote:If they are really on the "way back" nostalgia train, Wolves could be the first 5th Codex. They were the first 2nd Edition Codex (and therefore, the first Codex, like, EVER). I don't think they are a good test bed for SM changes, because they are the most non-SM of the SM armies.

And I don't give a rat's a$$ about the whens or hows...I just want new Wolf plastics. With or NOT with Planetstrike is irrelevant.

Why do the SM changes need another testbed? The Combat Squads have already been tested extensively with Dark Angels and Blood Angels.

I suppose they'd want to give SM something special for balance reasons - maybe Scouts as Troops like how BA get Assault Marines as Troops and DA get Bikers/Terminators as Troops. Beyond that, they could cut and paste it together in an afternoon.

Asmodai wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:If they are really on the "way back" nostalgia train, Wolves could be the first 5th Codex. They were the first 2nd Edition Codex (and therefore, the first Codex, like, EVER). I don't think they are a good test bed for SM changes, because they are the most non-SM of the SM armies.

And I don't give a rat's a$$ about the whens or hows...I just want new Wolf plastics. With or NOT with Planetstrike is irrelevant.

Why do the SM changes need another testbed? The Combat Squads have already been tested extensively with Dark Angels and Blood Angels.

I suppose they'd want to give SM something special for balance reasons - maybe Scouts as Troops like how BA get Assault Marines as Troops and DA get Bikers/Terminators as Troops. Beyond that, they could cut and paste it together in an afternoon.

Yes, and they could get rid of traits and veteran skills while they're at it.

(No, I'm not bitter that loyalists get them while the traitor legions don't. It's not like the traitor marines have been around for over 10x as long as your 'average' marine after all... Oh wait, they have.)

lifeafter wrote:I thought IG was going to come out. Wasn't there a rumor somewhere that they already had the new models designed?

I believe these were part of the rumored codex planetstrike.

Space wolves should NOT be any kind of test bed for a SM codex. they should stradle the line between a CSM force and a Loyalist force ( large units, no combat squads, more flexibility in weapon choices, but full range of SM units and vehicles).
I honestly expect Codex: SM to come out the month after 5th ed. Where that leaves the space pups, i don't know, but i guess there would be a gap for a codex in the summer.

A new SM dex will surely coincide with 5th Edition, bringing vanilla marines into line with recent loyalist and chaos dexes (cue 6 months of "my army's been nerfed" squeals from marine players).

I can however see the possibility of SW being the next chapter-specific codex, maybe a few months after 5th Ed. And maybe Planetstrike or whatever will be a good excuse for that...

TragicNut wrote:(No, I'm not bitter that loyalists get them while the traitor legions don't. It's not like the traitor marines have been around for over 10x as long as your 'average' marine after all... Oh wait, they have.)

And with all of that sodomy, pillaging, and ritual sacrificing they do in the Eye, clearly their tactical acumen is unaffected by their earlier decision to turn traitor and live in a realm of eternal chaos, fire, blood, and disease. Tankhunters and Infiltrate it is!!! They probably practice that a lot between drinking the blood of kittens and being raped by daemons and whatnot.

There's nothing stopping them from releasing a new Space Marine book at the same time as a Space Wolf book. The Space Wolf book being the proper release, and how much play testing does it take to make the Space Marine book they should know their own rules by now.

Plastic Drop pods and plastic ... there must be something plasticy they can make. They can always make fancy HQ boxes.

I would be willing to wait 6 months if it meant I could keep my 13th company, or use the 13th with regular SW.

The actual SW rules would be fairly easy to write and play test. Blood Claws are an assault marine unit with furious charge and no jetpacks, Grey Slayers are the same with scout and move through cover, Grey Hunters are a Tac squad with 2nd special instead of a heavy, etc.

The biggest change would probably be splitting the Wolf Guard into Terminators and Veterans much like the Chosen in the new chaos codex. Heck, you could probably use the same entries, just omit the marks and add the SW and SM standard rules.

Well, they did rerelease Gorkamorka to coincide with ork
model releases. MAybe they'll pdf something to go with
5th edition release.