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after looking through the "new" gee dubya site i noticed that i could not find black gobbo anywhere does anyone have any news as to why and has it been canceled or what?

It had better articles than White Dwarf, and for free, so GW yanked it. It will return as a subscription-only service in a couple of months.

They are going to try to make us pay for black gobbo?
if they do it had better be 10 times the size.
I'd flip my lid if I paid for tons of warhammer fanasty and lord of theh rings articles.

My two cents,That is F'ing Lame
shame on you GW

Guys, they aren't making us pay for anything. Geez, calm down, fellblade was just joking.

Apparently it's gone for now, may or may not be back in the future.

Ozymandias, King of Kings

ahhhhh the joys of sarcasm flying past people.

Black gobbo was rebliably cool for ages, no matter what game system was being covered.

But the last few months it is very simple, nay lame virtual adverts for new releases or almost reprints of WD articles with very few acctual gems of modelling and painting articles.

When the WDs were combined OZWD lost its player army articles where GW staffers or general players would show off their armies and explain how and why they did stuff.
I'd love to see those sort of articles return to Black Gobbo, The Dave Taylor bizzarro army coverage articles were always highlights.

I'm sure it will surface again for the release of 5th Ed (how many ways you can convert marines) and GT season. Hopefully not next month, it's all LotR releases.

Black Gobbo had been pretty pointless for a bit, I'm not surprised (nor happy, however) to see it go.

It's pretty sad that a regional web-zine like Black Gobbo was better than the company's magazine.

But let's not turn this into a thread on how awful WD is....

damn, my guard paint scheme is based on the tank camo article they had from the first issue. Glad I saved the picture months ago! I wish I had archived those articles

Black gobbo was a photocopied handout you used to get in the UK back in the day, and it RULED! I loved it like a fat kid loves cake.

Hi guys

Black Gobbo was the way our US team used to deliver a bundle of product and hobby content every two weeks to your waiting eyes. Very much an e-zine approach.
The new website will be supplied automatically with product and hobby content from the Global Web Team and our US Community & Events updates will go up as we finalize the details or complete the coverage. So, although it appeared regularly as a nice counterpart to White Dwarf, there's no need to keep up the packaging when the material will still be added to the site.

I hope this helps.

Cheers
Dave

Allow me to agree & disagree Dave.

Whilst I appreciate the amount of new content headed our way via the website, it would be nice to have the Black Gobbo as somewhat of a "lookit what's new!" summary.
I don't want to have to peruse each and every corner of the website looking for new content (of course, that may be part of the plan...), and I personally find RSS feeds a bit antiseptic.

My $0.02 USD

Hopefully the new content isn't as slow to load as the rest
of the site :(

I know that Buy this! links on articles about the product lead
to more impulse purchases, but the site is ungainly and
unfun to browse at the moment, and I really do miss the
Black Gobbo.

davetaylor wrote:
Black Gobbo was the way our US team used to deliver a bundle of product and hobby content
[...]
The new website will be supplied automatically with product and hobby content from the Global Web Team

Does this mean that the US Team will no longer be contributing to the same extent that they (um, I mean you) did when Black Gobbo still existed?

Ok I jumped the gun a bit
But black gobbo had tons and tons of great how to's,conversions and the like I just never really see on the main site.
plus there were alot of good info in the archive.
The new site is ok but really hard to navigate,I already miss the way all the old articles were displayed in the old UK site(even better than the US one)
A big list with everything on it on one page
Oh well what is,is no use getting upset over it

Hi guys

While I've never had the honor to be a part of our hard working web team, I've spent a lot of time working alongside them. Black Gobbo, as a "check out the new content" delivery system, will certainly be missed by many. After 115+ issues it built a good following. Now, as well as losing our friend Black Gobbo, there are speed and navigation concerns about the new site.

Change is tough, for everyone. Particularly when that change is something that plays a part in someone's passionate interests (Warhammer or 40K), like our website. The Global Web Team will get the bugs worked out, we'll get used to a new navigation, and, when we all get our hovercars and rocket packs, we'll lament its passing once all the info is downloaded directly into our brains.

As we get used to the new front page and the Community & News front page we'll make it easier for everyone to know what the new content is and where to track it down. It just won't be called Black Gobbo.

Cheers
Dave Taylor
GW US Community Development Manager

Thanks for the explanation, still doesn't take some of the sting out of not watching something that was really great deteriorate before our very eyes. Hopefully this new system works out for the better.

To the folks that are looking for a alternative, the Dakka Articles Front page has been getting updated once weekly to help guide folks to new and interesting articles created by the very folks you've been chatting up here on the forums. Thanks to legoburner for keeping up with the weekly front page updates on this one ^_-.

Thanks for the explaination.
I know the site is new and working all the little bugs take time.
It does look 100% better and I do like the links that bring the shopping list right up.
The old way was kind of a pain in the ass.
I hope some of the gobbo only articles make it to the site someday

Thanks for the link greywolf some really good stuff there.

ahhhhh the joys of sarcasm flying past people.

Yes, but can it really be called sarcasm when it's entirely plausible, perhaps even the most likely answer?

while there doesn't seem to be a black gobbo page, if you look hard enough you can still find all of the articles that were in it.

davetaylor wrote:Hi guys

As we get used to the new front page and the Community & News front page we'll make it easier for everyone to know what the new content is and where to track it down. It just won't be called Black Gobbo.

Cheers
Dave Taylor
GW US Community Development Manager

What would be the possibility of haveing the articles archived and a link provided for those of us who utilized it?

thanks dave for your answer... while i will miss black gobbo i guess it is a sign of the times that things die so new things may grow while i strongly dislike the new site i guess it will just take some getting use to... change is hard for some people lol, and i agree with two_heads_talking it would be nice to get an archived article section where we can at least get to the older content thats gone now...the newer b.g. wasnt so good but the older ones were great and now we have no sneak peeks either

Just something for the GeeDub to consider for the articles sections: Pictures.

As it stands right now, the article sections are about as interesting as a card catalog at the library. I find myself impossibly bored by it and it makes it hard to even keep my browser on the page long enough to find what I'm looking for.

I know, I'm like a preschooler right now, but I miss the easy picture based navigation. It made it much easier for folks to find things pertinent to their modeling needs. I think it would definitely speed up the ability to find the articles people are looking for. Especially if they just use the old photos.

two_heads_talking wrote:

davetaylor wrote:Hi guys

As we get used to the new front page and the Community & News front page we'll make it easier for everyone to know what the new content is and where to track it down. It just won't be called Black Gobbo.

Cheers
Dave Taylor
GW US Community Development Manager

What would be the possibility of haveing the articles archived and a link provided for those of us who utilized it?

Yeah, i'd hate to think that the old articles are gone for good.

Elusive71 wrote:

two_heads_talking wrote:

davetaylor wrote:Hi guys

As we get used to the new front page and the Community & News front page we'll make it easier for everyone to know what the new content is and where to track it down. It just won't be called Black Gobbo.

Cheers
Dave Taylor
GW US Community Development Manager

What would be the possibility of haveing the articles archived and a link provided for those of us who utilized it?

Yeah, i'd hate to think that the old articles are gone for good.

I emailed custserv and the very pleasant chap there replied very promptly and did say at some point they would put the old articles back up, but at the moment it isn't the greatest priority which is a very reasonable comment to make as the fix the speed issues and finish the conversion to the new site.

It is funny, I never understood the complaints about Black Gobbo. It was free for a start. Also, even if the articles weren't relevent to me what they were doing actually sparked my imagination to be able to apply it to what I was working on.

What about using the Wayback Machine? Or, say, Google cache?

I found the old GW main page with the Wayback Machine, but seem to be unable to link to the Black Gobbo material. Is anyone out there more skilled with cache searches than I am?

EDIT- Got a little closer by searching for the News pages, which link to Black Gobbo. Looks like they only have up to August 2007 available- I'm not sure why more recent stuff isn't there. I think the Wayback Machine may only allow content to be searched up to a certain horizon. Maybe it's a legal thing.
And what I found has no pics.
An example: http://web.archive.org/web/20070710021638/us.games-workshop.com/e-zine/issues/blackgobbo-95/default.htm

I really hope that they get the old modelling articles back up.
I was just looking for the Ragnorock tank conversions and discovered that the pages are gone :(
Hopefully they will be back up again, perhaps in PDF format.

The old Black Gobbo articles are still up on the UK website, which is still old style. Most of the BG articles used to be added to the UK site around the same time as they were published in the BG. This is the link to the modelling section: http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/modelling/.

Blackadder wrote:The old Black Gobbo articles are still up on the UK website, which is still old style. Most of the BG articles used to be added to the UK site around the same time as they were published in the BG. This is the link to the modelling section: http://uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/modelling/.

Cool, Thanks for the link.
Unfortunately the articles I was after are not there.

With Black Gobbo gone, will the GW website still have conversion articles and new terrain making articles like it used to? I was always most interested in the conversions, but since everything is being "simplified" it might be taken out.

Also, I know it's far gone, but it was always cool to see the Black Gobbo team making use of the Chapter Approved articles to the fullest extent and showing what they had done with them.