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Scarabs move as Jetbikes. Jetbikes can turboboost, which will yield you a 3+ cover saves. Scarabs are swarms, which get the "stealth" rule. The stealth rule says you get to add +1 to your cover save. So Scarabs get a 2+ cover save when they turboboost? Sounds kinda gross to me.

Zoned

You're confusing save types: he turbo boost as a jetbike grants an Invulnerable save, not a Cover save.

toxic_wisdom wrote:You're confusing save types: he turbo boost as a jetbike grants an Invulnerable save, not a Cover save.

In 5th edition, turbo boosting gives you a straight 3+ cover save.

In 5th edition, I believe that turbo-boosting grants a 3+ cover save. Anyways, how is this gross? It gets a real nice save after taking a move that means it can do nothing else that turn.

It's gross (not for me, since I play Necrons) in that they can weather a lot of fire for a turn, then assault your heavy weapons squad, tanks, or whatever with 4 attacks each in their next turn. Very handy for tying up things while the rest of your force advances or focuses on other parts of your army.

its good, but hardly game breaking. scarabs are the only swarms that currently move as jetbikes so it only effects them. it makes scarabs slightly better, but in the grand scheme of things necrons are about the same in 5th (what with now being unable to kill tanks easily, but monoliths being harder and no more consolidating into new combats.)

I like the new Scarab rule of turbo boosting effects now I've heard this. It does seem to give the Necrons some help in tying up enemy firebases before too many necrons can be dropped from heavy guns

Is that how turboboost has changed? Nice! No more Psycannons killing turboboosting models!

Spellbound wrote:Is that how turboboost has changed? Nice! No more Psycannons killing turboboosting models!

Now you just have to worry about flamers.....

One trick to this is the wording of the save you just quoted.

Cover

Flamers will still toast a swarm in a heartbeat without a moments pause and you will get no save.

Yeah, driving through fire doesn't really make the fire less hot.

Psycannons always penetrated the saves of scarabs anyway - the problem was that marine bikers, who normally got a save, suddenly lost it if they turboboosted and were shot by a psycannon, as their armour save became invulnerable.

That was pretty lame, and now no longer applies.

I sure will enjoy Doomsiren-ing someone's biker squad, though!

As a Guard player, this just reinforces my decision to field 3 Hellhounds more regularly...

CK

Stupid queston though this may be, and probably would never be used in a game, but if A scarab swarm Turbo boostered, giving them a 3+ save, then add the stealth +1, If the swarms went to ground when shot at, which I beleive gives +1 To the cover save would they get a 1+ cover save, in other words "you can't actually kill us"? (Unless Template weapons were used) Or am I missing soemthing fundamental here?

No save is allowed to be better than 2+, regardless of the source.

Ok, thanks, common sense wins out over Cheese every time I see

Nah, some rules just trumph other rules.

Lord_Mortis wrote:

toxic_wisdom wrote:You're confusing save types: he turbo boost as a jetbike grants an Invulnerable save, not a Cover save.

In 5th edition, turbo boosting gives you a straight 3+ cover save.

Question was originally posted during 4th Ed time period.

but it is clear he was talking about 5th ed

Red_Lives wrote:but it is clear he was talking about 5th ed

What was so clear about it regarding fifth edition ? Any remark in the title that mentioned 5th Ed ? No... simply a question regarding Scarabs and Turbo Boost - something that exists in fourth edition...

Uh, the mention of cover saves sort of gives it away that it's a fifth edition question.

Ghaz wrote:Uh, the mention of cover saves sort of gives it away that it's a fifth edition question.

Uh, there's cover saves in fourth edition as well.

Yes maybe so, but not cover saves from turbo boosting which is in the original post. Instead 4th ed was Inv saves. So it was a 5th ed related question

toxic_wisdom wrote:

Ghaz wrote:Uh, the mention of cover saves sort of gives it away that it's a fifth edition question.

Uh, there's cover saves in fourth edition as well.

Not from turbo boosting, thank you.

After running nothing but 5th edition games yesterday its painfully clear that the turbo boosting give a cover save is causing a number of rushing armys to wait till someone is engaged before rushing around. Time to pick me up some flamers... ;D

Lord_Mortis wrote:

Spellbound wrote:Is that how turboboost has changed? Nice! No more Psycannons killing turboboosting models!

Now you just have to worry about flamers.....

AND,.....

Incendiary Castellan Missles from wirlwinds!!!

Str 4 AP 5 Ord. 1/Large Blast, Ignores Cover

So: no armor save, no cover save, they have no inv save, any unit touched by the template is included, wounds on 3's

not to mention "vulnerable to blast templates" - each wound counts as two

And of course, the Tau Airbursting Fragmentation Projector. (Same stats, except for the whole Ordnance bit.)

Ghaz wrote:"...Not from turbo boosting, thank you..."

Possible the OP, as viewed, made the mistake of describing cover saves for turbo boost rather than invulnerable saves... Thank You !

And perhaps your continued posting when you're clearly wrong is just making you look bad and will affect the credibility of any of your posts in the future.

Toxic_wisdom, it was evident to people who are familiar with 5th Edition that the OP was referring to 5th Edition (specifically the fact that it's a 3+ cover save for any bike, rather than converting an armor save to an invulnerable save). I can understand your confusion, but your continued defence of your point is dragging the thread off-topic. Please keep it on-topic... and thank you!

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It seems more and more that anything that can mitigate or remove cover saves in 5th is going to be very worthwhile.

Ghaz wrote:And perhaps your continued posting when you're clearly wrong is just making you look bad and will affect the credibility of any of your posts in the future.

Fair Enough - and I'll keep in mind for future topics to avoid discussions with ignorant indiduals using holier than thou terms like... UH... and THANK YOU...