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What are your favorite Warhammer 40K mysteries and conspiracy theories.

My personal favorite is the Ophidian Gulf Crusade.

As much as I hate cross 40k fantasy fluff I am quite interested in the link between Sigmar and the emporer. I heard one theory that the primarch's capsules had a two tailed comet and Sigmar is one of the missing 2. I think it's rubbish, and theres fluff to say the missing primarch's were found by the emporer and had their own chapters completely ruling this theory out, but it's interesting none the less.

Probably the most conceivable bit of 40k conspiracy I like is the theory that Cypher is in fact Luther.

1. What happened to the Squats, they can't all be dead.

2. What/Who is really in the center of the Rock. (Dark Angels Battlefortress)

Kung Fu Jim wrote:1. What happened to the Squats, they can't all be dead.

Some things in 40k are fairly simple, and come down to the fact that someone in charge doesn't like midget spacemen.

(Taps Playing)...but rattlings are fine....

Luther is in the middle of the rock or is Johnson one of the two i forget which,

my fave has got to be the Machine God really being a C'tan it gives a big FU to the Mechanicum

I like the idea that Cypher is the Emperor and he's waiting until the corpse throne is shut off to regain his old powers back.

I also like the idea that the Machine God on Mars is a C'Tan and the Necrons are working the Empire from within.

Kung Fu Jim wrote: (Taps Playing)...but rattlings are fine....

They would get rid of ratlings but for the uprising in imperial guard players angry about the loss of their most pivotal unit.

99MDeery wrote:Luther is in the middle of the rock or is Johnson one of the two i forget which,

Johnson, but we only have Luther's word for it.

I think it is Johnson...Haven't played DA since 3rd edition. Cypher, isn't he the leader of the traitor DA?

I'm a guard player, and I hate ratlings...useless gak heads. I wish they'd go the feth away.

leave Ratlings alone, mine are useful, they like dead eyeing sternguard for some reason..

I'm a real guard player, and I use ratlings every game I can. If you have something better to take down a nightbringer, please share.

this is getting too nanosophobic. its not on, I wont stand for it.

What is the Ophidian Gulf Crusade?

My three favs are:

1. The Legion of the Damned:

Sadly GW ruined this mystery by explaining it.

2. The true Unforgiven:

The idea that Luther was the loyalist and The Lion was the traitor, and that the Dark Angels that destroyed Caliban were the ones in league with Chaos.

3. Rogal Dorn's attempted Coup:

After the battle with Horus, the Emperor was inprisoned by Rogal Down on the Golden Throne before the Emperor could recover.

BYE

H.B.M.C. wrote:My three favs are:

1. The Legion of the Damned:

Sadly GW ruined this mystery by explaining it.

2. The true Unforgiven:

The idea that Luther was the loyalist and The Lion was the traitor, and that the Dark Angels that destroyed Caliban were the ones in league with Chaos.

3. Rogal Dorn's attempted Coup:

After the battle with Horus, the Emperor was inprisoned by Rogal Down on the Golden Throne before the Emperor could recover.

BYE

I second this.

That the golden throne might be housing horus not the emperor, that he actually killed the emperor and those that guard him now are loyal to horus.

Thats a very farfetched one but it would put a huge twist in everything

I seriously doubt that... that would actually mean, that the black legion carried away the emperors body ... without noticing who it is. thats awkward...

why would horus keep the astronomicon up and running and why would chaos try to assault earth, when you have the big guy inside already, with custodes (his guards) loyal to him as well. he could dismantle the senate in seconds.

that makes no sense

... unless the Emperor died, and Horus realized what he had done and renounced Chaos, and took the place of his father in the Imperium.

fair enough.
but afaik horus does not have the psychic requirements for the astronimicon, and i doubt that all the psykers could maintain it without any sort of guidance.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

2. The true Unforgiven:

The idea that Luther was the loyalist and The Lion was the traitor, and that the Dark Angels that destroyed Caliban were the ones in league with Chaos.

I thought in Angels of Darkness they were saying that The Lion was more of an opportunist and Luther was trying to join the Emperor's Side? It's been a while since I read it though so I could be wrong.

Abaddon is Horus' clone, I like that one.

Where is Leman Russ?

He went on an ale run 10,000 years ago and hasn't been back since . . .

He must be getting alot of ale . . .

Or the idea that Jaghati Khan is alive and stuck on Kommoragh (or however you spell that) competing endlessly in Dark Eldar gladiatorial battles.


Pook:

I haven't read the book myself, I was only told by someone else. But I like the idea of turning the Dark Angel's biggest secret on its head.

BYE

The Thousandth Son wrote:Abaddon is Horus' clone, I like that one.

I've heard that before and I don't get it, not after reading the HH novels. I mean it didn't work very well if horus aximand looked more like horus than he did.

whatwhat wrote:As much as I hate cross 40k fantasy fluff I am quite interested in the link between Sigmar and the emporer. I heard one theory that the primarch's capsules had a two tailed comet and Sigmar is one of the missing 2. I think it's rubbish, and theres fluff to say the missing primarch's were found by the emporer and had their own chapters completely ruling this theory out, but it's interesting none the less.

Probably the most conceivable bit of 40k conspiracy I like is the theory that Cypher is in fact Luther.

i can tell you from research that the missing primarch was probably from the salamanders although GW didn't specify which chapter he was from to alow people to create their own chapters with primarchs

but the salamanders had a primarch..... named vulkan...

The only existing in-universe fluff for the 2nd and 11th Primarchs is that, one some planet, probably Terra, where they have statues of all 20, the 2nd and 11th statues are simply not there. Even the Traitor Primarchs are there (covered in shrouds), but they're still there.

This means that what happened to the 2nd and 11th was either:

1. So bad that it's considered worse than the Traitor Primarchs (so, worse than Horus).
2. There was some sort of unstoppable generic corruption that destroyed them before they could really be included with the other 18.
3. They were never actually found.

I'm a firm believe that one of the Primarchs was Sigmar - I like that idea and I like the idea that the Warhammer World is somewhere in the milky way galaxy - but beyond that we know nothing about them.

Hopefully, unlike the once-interesting now-boring Legion of the Damned, GW will avoid explaining that one.

BYE

All of the Primarchs were found. It's mentioned in a few sources describing the Great Crusade. I am convinced that the Warhammer World exists in the 40K universe, but I am not of the opinion that Sigmar is a Primarch.

Cypher is great. Who is he, who protects him, and who is he really working for?

The 2nd and 11th missing Primarchs. What could have happened to have them expunged but yet Horus is still there. I have my own theory, they went rogue pre-Heresy so the Emperor was still alive and able to erase all history of their existence.

The Dragon on Mars. All evidence points towards something Necrony on Mars.

Ozymandias, King of Kings